Rasmussen’s new poll of South Carolina is in stark contrast to ARG’s.
South Carolina- GOP Nomination
- Fred Thompson 24%
- Rudy Giuliani 20%
- Mitt Romney 15%
- John McCain 10%
- Mike Huckabee 3%
South Carolina Survey of 863 Likely GOP Primary Voters. Conducted September 26-27, 2007 by Rasmussen Reports
Hat tip: Awakened
All right, Romney and Huckabee supporters, let’s see if you guys still buy ARG’s polling.
American Research Group GOP Iowa Caucus Poll, conducted September 26-29, 2007
- Mitt Romney 22% (-5)
- Rudy Giuliani 21% (+4)
- Fred Thompson 16% (+3)
- John McCain 11% (+6)
- Mike Huckabee 5% (-10)
Margin of Error: ± 4 percentage points.
American Research Group New Hampshire Primary Poll, conducted September 26-29, 2007
- Romney 24% (-3)
- McCain 20% (+8)
- Rudy 20% (-3)
- Thompson 8% (even)
- Huckabee 3% (-6)
Margin of Error: ± 4 percentage points.
Note: All poll results taken from Real Clear Politics. GRAPH WARNING
Obviously, it took a poll like the one in South Carolina to cause me to do more than laugh off the results of the latest ARG Poll. So, I decided to do some research on ARG’s numbers in comparison to other polls taken at the same time.
Notice anything strange? Here are the poll results from four seperate polls taken between September 9 and September 19 in Florida:
Thompson
McCain
Romney
Now, even stranger, notice McCain’s numbers in New Hampshire compared to others taken in June.
Giuliani
McCain
Romney
There are many more examples of this, that I will post once I can get my excel charts working.
Let’s look at South Carolina by itself in May, comparing two polls, ARG and Insider Advantage:
Thompson
Giuliani
McCain
Romney
Now, let’s compare June’s Mason Dixon poll and ARG poll in the state of South Carolina. One must remember that Mason Dixon is considered one of the best when measuring state support:
Giuliani
McCain
Romney
I’m starting to see a pattern. How about you? There are many more, and this post could go on all night long.
UUHHHHH…. If these are true, then I’ll eat my shorts and endorse Mitt Romney as the second coming of Moses…
ARG Polling South Carolina GOP
(Last months in parenthesis)
Sample Size: 600 completed telephone interviews among a random sample of likely Republican primary voters living in South Carolina (524 Republicans and 76 independent voters).
Sample Dates: September 26-29, 2007
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Over $1,000,000 raised in seven days for the Ron Paul 2008 presidential campaign. Remarkable!
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Update: Reports out of the Paul camp are that they will exceed their 2nd quarter totals. Great job to the Paul campaign and his band of supporters.
Hopeless liberal Frank Rich, whose television appearances I can’t bear to watch due to his stereotypical Boomer self-righteousness, proves that liberals are just as nervous about 2008 as many conservatives. His latest notes the similarities between likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and two presidential losers of the past. Money quote:
The Clinton machine runs as smoothly and efficiently as a Rolls. And like a fine car, it is just as likely to lull its driver into complacent coasting and its passengers to sleep. What I saw on television last Sunday was the incipient second coming of the can’t-miss 2000 campaign of Al Gore.
That Mr. Gore, some may recall, was not the firebrand who emerged from defeat, speaking up early against the Iraq war and leading the international charge on global warming. It was instead the cautious Gore whose public persona changed from debate to debate and whose answers were often long-winded and equivocal (even about the Kansas Board of Education’s decision to ban the teaching of evolution). Incredibly, he minimized both his environmental passions and his own administration’s achievements throughout the campaign.
He, too, had initially been deemed a winner, the potential recipient of a landslide rather than a narrow popular-vote majority.
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Mrs. Clinton wouldn’t repeat Mr. Gore’s foolhardy mistake of running away from her popular husband and his record, even if she could. But almost every answer she gave last Sunday was a rambling and often tedious Gore-like filibuster. Like the former vice president, she often came across as a pontificator and an automaton - in contrast to the personable and humorous person she is known to be off-camera. And she seemed especially evasive when dealing with questions requiring human reflection instead of wonkery.
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In this context it’s worth noting that Mr. Bush’s desperate lame-duck campaign to brand himself as a reincarnation of Harry Truman is not 100 percent ludicrous. A tiny part of the analogy could yet pan out. In 1948, Washington’s commentators and pollsters were convinced that Americans, tired of 15 years of Democratic rule, would vote in a Republican. Like today’s G.O.P., the Democrats back then were saddled with both an unloved incumbent president and open divisions in the party’s ranks on both its left and right flanks. Surely, the thinking went, the beleaguered Democrats couldn’t possibly vanquish a presidential candidate from New York known for his experience, competence, uncontroversial stands and above-the-fray demeanor.
But they did. What’s interesting about both Gore and Dewey is that both lost the Electoral College by a few votes in a few states. Gore, of course, lost by just over 500 votes in Florida. Tom Dewey, as I just learned from Kavon last week over the R408 Batphone, lost the Electoral College to Truman by only a few votes despite losing the popular vote by four points. As such, Rich is arguing that 2008 — with a divided, embattled incumbent party and a PermaFreeze general election frontrunner — is starting to look eerily similar to the two closest presidential elections of the last century.
I agree. I think we’re looking at another nailbiter of epic proportions. Despite my pessimism, the fact remains that Republicans have a number of strong candidates, many of whom have won tough races in the past and all of whom will run away from Bush after the nod is clinched. But we’re still a deeply divided party presiding over an unpopular war. If the Dems were running Mark Warner, the race would already be over. But they’re not. They’re running a candidate who will perpetuate Boomer polarization, who has high negatives, and who is reminiscent of the stiffest losers of presidential history. But still, the Dems have a ridiculous fundraising advantage and Americans now view them more favorably than the GOP on nearly every issue. This is the formula that almost always leads to an election for the history books.
Moreover, the Electoral College, especially in a Rudy/Hillary race, seems to be looking for ways to produce a 269-269 tie and send Tim Russert into dry-erase-board heaven. That’s because all of the Republicans, Rudy included, are doing worse than Bush in the Midwest and border states while Rudy specifically is upping GOP numbers on the coasts. If Rudy wins New Jersey, Washington, and Oregon, three blue states that are showing statistical ties between Rudy and Hillary right now, and if he picks up the Maine congressional district that Bush lost by only 5 points, he gains 34 EVs for the GOP. But if Hillary wins many of the red states in which she currently leads — New Mexico, Iowa, Ohio, Virginia, and Arkansas — she picks up 51 red EVs, which brings the country to, you guessed it, a 269-269 split.
As such, if you liked the aftermath of the 2000 election, complete with chads and lawsuits and Bush v. Gore, you’ll love November and December of 2008. Will future law students be reading about the Supreme Court’s decision in Giuliani v. Clinton in their casebooks? Stay tuned.
Here are some random thoughts on this Sunday morning for you to discuss while I am up with my 10-week-old son:
- Rudy Giuliani 47%
- Hillary Clinton 47%
- Hillary Clinton 52%
- Fred Thompson 42%
- Hillary Clinton 54%
- Mitt Romney 40%
- Barack Obama 52%
- Rudy Giuliani 41%
- Barack Obama 54%
- Fred Thompson 40%
- Barack Obama 57%
- Mitt Romney 35%
- John Edwards 45%
- Rudy Giuliani 44%
- John Edwards 51%
- Fred Thompson 36%
- John Edwards 55%
- Mitt Romney 31%
Survey of registered voters was conducted September 17.
NYT:
Newt Gingrich has sent so many hints pointing in so many different directions that we’re dizzy trying to follow them all. But now, it appears, he’s made up his mind.
Rick Tyler, Mr. Gingrich’s spokesman, confirmed today that the former Republican House speaker has decided against a presidential run in 2008.
Mr. Gingrich was “presented with legal advice this morning,” said Mr. Tyler in a quick phone interview. “There was a choice presented.”
The choice was to remain chairman of his political action committee, American Solutions, or to allow advisers to move forward with an exploratory committee. But he could not, legally, do both, Mr. Tyler explained.
“So Mr. Gingrich made a choice to remain a citizen activist,” he said.Mr. Gingrich’s flirtation with a candidacy has been long and replete with mixed signals. Throughout the spring, he mocked the other candidates for starting their campaigns so early, and he said then that if a “void” existed after his American Solutions conference in September, he would consider jumping in.He seemed to be leaning against a run when Fred D. Thompson’s candidacy started to spur excitement among Republicans, but as Mr. Thompson’s campaign got off to a slow start, Mr. Gingrich appeared somewhat interested again.
He said that if his supporters could raise $30 million by November, he would have enough to compete. Then, as Katharine Q. Seelye reported yesterday, he set up a “feasibility assessment” to determine his chances, and he said he would make up his mind by Oct. 21. Well, in a rare occurrence in politics, Mr. Gingrich beat his own deadline.
Mr. Tyler said news on an official announcement from Mr. Gingrich would be forthcoming. Mr. Gingrich was to appear on Fox News today at 5 p.m.
UPDATE: The word from Gingrich is that there will be no endorsements in the forseeable future.
- Mitt Romney 24%
- Fred Thompson 16%
- Rudy Giuliani 13%
- Mike Huckabee 12%
- John McCain 9%
- Ron Paul 5%
- Undecided 15%
Second Choice
- Rudy Giuliani 21%
- Mitt Romney 21%
- Fred Thompson 10%
- John McCain 4%
- Mike Huckabee 2%
- Ron Paul 2%
- Undecided 15%
Survey of likely Republican caucus-goers was conducted September 26-27. The margin of error is +/- 9 percentage points.
Rudy Giuliani
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Newt Gingrich
General Race 4 2008 News
Hillary Clinton
[WARNING TO INSIDE THE BELTWAY CONVENTIONAL WISDOM CONSERVATIVES: THIS BLOG IS NOT ABOUT JOHN EDWARDS OR MOVEON.ORG]
If one were to believe the fawning praise of inside the beltway political pundits, a shrewd strategist devising a plan on November 8, 2006 for a Democrat to win the White House on November 5, 2008 would propose that a candidate:
1) Change positions on the Iraq War with every release of a new Gallup Poll;
2) Vote to cut off funds to the troops in the field;
3) Slander the commanding general of a successful surge of troops in the field on national television by calling him a liar with a cute phrase worthy of those bewildered by the meaning of “is”;
4) Cackle at, instead of jabbing the knee of, Chris Wallace;
5) Express dismay that the Supreme Court upheld the federal law banning partial birth abortion;
6) Take money from a 15-year fugitive from justice;
7) Have her campaign utilize (and remain married to herself) a bitter, angry man that no longer can contain his Stephanopoulos described temper; and
8] Refused to denounce the idea of teaching 2nd graders about homosexuality.
Yeah, the Hillary is really disciplined. The kind of discipline that McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis had.
Many of even the beltway conservative pundits appear to be guilty, with respect to Hillary, of what most of the MSM is guilty of with respect to the Iraq War: boxing themselves in a position where to recognize reality is to discredit their own prior judgments.
Hillary has not been disciplined since she first met Bill in the Yale Law Library or even before, when she first read The Feminine Mystique.
Nor has she been disciplined since her first vote against tax cuts as a senator or her first move towards defeat in Iraq. She has been all over the lot on Iraq. It’s all on tape. Rush plays her varying statements all the time.
Have Fred Barnes and David Brooks and the rest of the conservative writers not heard them? Have they not seen her votes? If they have, then what can explain their obligatory statements that she is disciplined except that they want to be loved by their liberal cohorts in DC?
Discipline for a liberal that wants to be president means disguising ones liberalism. See the successful campaign in 1992 (see also Perot recruitment)
Teaching second graders about sex is not discipline except for those that really want to teach first graders the same.
Even Bob Shrum wouldn’t suggest that kind of discipline.
I contend that these liberal democrats simply cannot help themselves and that they will not allow our Republican candidate to lose in 2008.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
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Lost in the excitement of this last week’s fundraising efforts were some of the “Ask Mitt Anything” stops he made. David Brody, the respected reporter from CBN, filed this report on Thursday:
- Fred Thompson 27.9%
- Rudy Giuliani 21.0%
- John McCain 12.2%
- Mitt Romney 8.4%
- Mike Huckabee 2.0%
- Too early to tell 16.6%
- Don’t know 8.1%
Survey of Republican adults was conducted September 24-27.
I don’t hold much value in straw poll results, but some on this site do. So, to show that one candidate doesn’t have a mandate on all straw polls, here are the results of the Ohio State Republican Party Straw Poll. They had a turnout of 2,300. From the Ohio GOP official site:
Here is some of their report on the event:
“Your participation in the straw poll not only provides an early indication of how Ohio will vote but also demostrates your support of building a strong grassroots organization through our state party,” DeWine told the nearly 2,300 Ohioans who cast a straw poll ballot.
Now, back to the race
Gallup GOP Subgroup National Primary
Republican Nomination Preference by Ideological Self-Identification
Among Moderate/Liberal Republicans (N=544)
Among Conservative Republicans (N=1,131)
Republican Nomination Preference by Frequency of Church Attendance
Attend Church Weekly (N=689)
Attend Monthly (N=396)
Seldom/Never Attend (N=577)
Republican Nomination Preference by Religious Affiliation
Protestant/”Christian” (N=765)
Catholic (N=273)
Republican Nomination Preference by Region of the Country
Northeast (N=327)
Midwest (N=365)
South (N=616)
West (N=382)
Survey of 1,690 Republicans and Republican-leaning independents was conducted in August and September.
Jennifer Rubin makes sense of that headline at the AmSpec blog:
With the exception of the omnipresent John McCain and Mike Huckabee (who never met a talk show host he didn’t like), the presidential contenders do not frequent the Sunday talk shows, go on network news or subject themselves to interrogation by CNN or MSNBC reporters outside the few debates they have done.
This is a mistake. Simply put, GOP candidates are ignoring Willie Sutton’s advice. Sutton of course was the prolific bank robber who was said to have replied “that’s where the money is” when asked why he robbed banks. Likewise, the GOP contenders would be wise to go where the voters are, especially voters they are losing.
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It is perhaps natural in such times to go into a defensive crouch and stick to the safe confines of Fox News and friendly talk radio hosts. Particularly in a heated primary it makes perfect sense to seek out venues which have large numbers of politically active conservative listeners and viewers. But over time it is limiting and self-defeating for several reasons.
First, GOP candidates need to recapture independents and convince moderate Democrats they offer an attractive platform, not the cartoon positions attributed to them by their Democratic opponents. Explaining why the Bush tax cuts are worth keeping whether you are “rich” or not is a worthwhile and essential exercise not only to getting elected but building support for the policies they advocate.
Second, it is good practice. Debate moderators in the general election and the Washington press corps are not renowned for their sympathetic take on Republicans and conservative policies. It is helpful to practice answering the loaded question and disarming the questioner — as Rudy Giuliani did in the Iowa debate when he questioned the reporter’s premise that higher taxes would bring in more revenue. If you don’t practice in the primary. it makes the general election that much tougher.
Finally, Hillary Clinton this past weekend showed that it is not so difficult for a prepared and polished candidate to survive even the toughest inquisitor on Sunday morning, Tim Russert. Having done so she can claim that “they threw everything at me” but didn’t draw blood. She reached a huge audience and showed she is calm and collected under fire.
Now, it is not a good idea to go into the lion’s den unarmed or unprepared, but for candidates with solid debate skills, defined policies, and a decent sense of humor it doesn’t pay to hide in the safe confines of the conservative media. For individual candidates, the benefits of venturing out into the MSM world can be considerable. And if the GOP is going to start gaining back ground, showing their faces is one way they’ll begin to convince the American people that they do not deserve to be banished to the political wilderness.
Read the rest here.