Is this one of those guys who committed our country to what will eventually be ONE TRILLION DOLLARSfor a war in Iraq?
With that one swell foop you outspend all the pork that has passed through Congress in generations.
And spending a few million to study wildlife genetics is hardly a waste. Is he against basic scientific research?
‘I guess it’s easier to use influence peddling in Washington to extort the money from tax payers.”
Extort?
geez, if you want some insight why this country might fall behind the rest of the world in the scioentific /technological areas over the next century, you need go no further than this type of attitude.
Tano, I asked about your age, because really, what is problem with how we are falling back is not due to how government is pouring money into it (it actually may be more of a problem than solution), but rather, the attitude of us young generation. We believe we have everything hand to us on silver plate (perhaps not you and I, but definitely a lot of our generation). As such, we do not work at what we are doing as hard or even as smarter as the previous generations. We also have a weaker work ethics and poor education. We have been trained to do well on state or national tests rather than being taught how to think (Jefferson approach). So, yes, we are falling behind, but it is not because of our federal government not putting enough money into researches. Sorry, pal.
Great ad my Sen.McCain, and i believe he will win New Hampshire b/c there is still alot of the Independent voters who are still undecided and there are voters who could still change their minds between now and election day. I feel Sen.McCain will be very strong.
Actually last poll had romney actually leading with independents for the first time in new hampshire bryan. This is probably what boosted him a fair amount above Rudy.
trust me, mccain is done. He has no abilitiy to appeal to those beyond his core of support.
mccain brownback, no there is a ticket not to get excited about. not.
“geez, if you want some insight why this country might fall behind the rest of the world in the scioentific /technological areas over the next century, you need go no further than this type of attitude.”
And this, coming from the person that wants government-run healthcare. LOL.
It’s not an accident that the vast majority of healthcare breakthroughts come from America — our government hasn’t taken over the system. There’s still the profit motive.
No, I am not part of your generation. I am part of the one that learned how to think, and had nothing handed to me on a silver platter.
I don’t disagree with you that some of the issues you raise contribute to our decline.
But there is also the simple matter of funding.
If you look at all the up and coming countries in the science and technology world, they all invest heavily in science education, and basic scientific research.
We do too, here in America, although it has slowed over the past few years. My comments were about the future, about McCain demagouging the issue by considering basic research “wasteful”, and by EGS who expresses the view of a lot of conservatives, that ANY spending in this area is akin to extortion.
As I said, if views like this take hold in your party, you would lead us all into the ditch.
Tano comes from the class of people that thinks that money can be produced by snapping one’s fingers; that resources don’t have to come from somewhere; that scarcity doesn’t exist except as a silly myth.
But seriously, when you’re complaining that conservatives don’t like to fund research on wildlife genetics, you’re just getting ridiculous. How will we ever go on without the government funding research on the DNA of bears?!
If anything has promise surrounding it, the free market will get into it unless government blocks the way.
Tano: Funding wildlife research? I support that! Fund it. Health care for all? Why, that sounds fantastic! Fund it. Building bridges all over the country? That sounds amazing! Fund it!
Where does it end? Do you liberals have any idea what the concept of scarcity entails?
(Also, the non-initiation of force principle, but no one seems to care about that.)
I’m sorry you continually mis-use the term judicial activist. I am against judges meddling. Giuliani used a judicial activist judge to get what he wanted. I am for judicial restraint. Read up on it.
Vetoing the entire bill does more harm than good, or that remedy would have been in play by now.
Again, how will McCain accomplish his campaign promises without the line-item veto?
IF your only defense is to make up some cartoon characterization of your opponents, and where they come from, then you have lost the game before you even begin.
“If anything has promise surrounding it, the free market will get into it unless government blocks the way.”
That is so mindnumbingly wrong it boggles the mind.
The free market gets into things that offer the promise of profitability in the forseeable future, or within the timeframe that investors demand. And are of the scale that private investment can address. Within that space, the market is wonderful at producing goods and services. But there are many things that are of long-term value to society that are outside that window, that would never get funded if it were left to the private sector.
Every healthy society, going back to the mists of history, has invested resources in activities that seem to be utterly useless to those who only see an immediate bottom line, or whose imagination is so limited that they cannot see what can come of particular lines of research.
The medicine of the 21st century, a large part of which is based on genetics and epigenetics, would not exist were it not for a century of tax dollars funding people who sat around breeding fruit flies, or manipulating the genes of yeasts.
That is only one of a million examples. I really feel embarrased for you that you need these things explained to you.
Tano (#22), thank you for answering my question. I also want to point out that Utah, with the lowest education cost per student, has the highest score in the nation, as opposite to Washington DC, the highest education cost, ranked almost at the bottom. You can pour, pour and pour more dollars into education, but there is too many hands in the way before they actually get to the students!
If you look at all the up and coming countries in the science and technology world, they all invest heavily in science education, and basic scientific research.
True. It’s funny how almost all of those employed there have been educated here in USA. But yes, they do have the salaries and benefits that we cannot compete with. I think it is more because of regulations of our own government. For instance, Hewlett-Packard raised more than half of its revuene outside of North America. As such, it cannot bring those dollars home without being taxed heavily by our own federal government. So, those dollars has to stay on the outside. HP needs to hire more, but it cannot pay for those employees within USA. Really, Federal Government should be in the business of deregulating a whole lot of the industries, and as Brownback put it, take the tax book behind the barn with an ax, for next few years for us to be competitive with others. I am in favor of government funding the researches, but it should come more from the state governments, not Federal government.
November 12th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
Is this one of those guys who committed our country to what will eventually be ONE TRILLION DOLLARSfor a war in Iraq?
With that one swell foop you outspend all the pork that has passed through Congress in generations.
And spending a few million to study wildlife genetics is hardly a waste. Is he against basic scientific research?
November 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
I wonder why scientists can not get a University or Non-profit Institute to pay for the research?
I guess it’s easier to use influence peddling in Washington to extort the money from tax payers.
November 12th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
As much as I despise McCain, this is a good ad and an important issue that he has credibility on.
November 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Weak!
November 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Good ad.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
……
November 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
mccan is not even top tier anymore. huck is the media’s new darling, new mavrick.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
ad doesn’t do a whole lot for me.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
The Ad is fine.
But as per Team Rudy, McCain’s TV ads in NH have been running for one month, still his numbers are not improving.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
‘I guess it’s easier to use influence peddling in Washington to extort the money from tax payers.”
Extort?
geez, if you want some insight why this country might fall behind the rest of the world in the scioentific /technological areas over the next century, you need go no further than this type of attitude.
November 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
This is not good for McCain if we have a comment like #8, especially seeing how Sampo is one of his supporters!
November 12th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Tano (#10), is your age between 18 and 35?
November 12th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Tano, I asked about your age, because really, what is problem with how we are falling back is not due to how government is pouring money into it (it actually may be more of a problem than solution), but rather, the attitude of us young generation. We believe we have everything hand to us on silver plate (perhaps not you and I, but definitely a lot of our generation). As such, we do not work at what we are doing as hard or even as smarter as the previous generations. We also have a weaker work ethics and poor education. We have been trained to do well on state or national tests rather than being taught how to think (Jefferson approach). So, yes, we are falling behind, but it is not because of our federal government not putting enough money into researches. Sorry, pal.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
Great ad my Sen.McCain, and i believe he will win New Hampshire b/c there is still alot of the Independent voters who are still undecided and there are voters who could still change their minds between now and election day. I feel Sen.McCain will be very strong.
November 12th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
I wonder how he’ll do it without the line-item veto?
November 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
Good TV Ad
McCain-Brownback 2008!
November 12th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Actually last poll had romney actually leading with independents for the first time in new hampshire bryan. This is probably what boosted him a fair amount above Rudy.
trust me, mccain is done. He has no abilitiy to appeal to those beyond his core of support.
mccain brownback, no there is a ticket not to get excited about. not.
November 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
“geez, if you want some insight why this country might fall behind the rest of the world in the scioentific /technological areas over the next century, you need go no further than this type of attitude.”
And this, coming from the person that wants government-run healthcare. LOL.
It’s not an accident that the vast majority of healthcare breakthroughts come from America — our government hasn’t taken over the system. There’s still the profit motive.
November 12th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
“I wonder how he’ll do it without the line-item veto?” – Shawnie (Judicial Activist)
With great precision.
Gee, I don’t know, he could veto the entire bill. We strict constructionists like to do things the Constitutional way, Shawnie.
November 12th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
What about the 2 trillion that the Amnesty Bill would have cost us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6jqiUagZwY
November 12th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
“It’s not an accident that the vast majority of healthcare breakthroughts come from America — our government hasn’t taken over the system.”
Geez TLG,
The fact that almost all biomedical research is funded by the big bad federal government, through the NIH, has somehow escaped your radar?
November 12th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
SGS,
No, I am not part of your generation. I am part of the one that learned how to think, and had nothing handed to me on a silver platter.
I don’t disagree with you that some of the issues you raise contribute to our decline.
But there is also the simple matter of funding.
If you look at all the up and coming countries in the science and technology world, they all invest heavily in science education, and basic scientific research.
We do too, here in America, although it has slowed over the past few years. My comments were about the future, about McCain demagouging the issue by considering basic research “wasteful”, and by EGS who expresses the view of a lot of conservatives, that ANY spending in this area is akin to extortion.
As I said, if views like this take hold in your party, you would lead us all into the ditch.
November 12th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
“Geez TLG, The fact that almost all biomedical research is funded by the big bad federal government, through the NIH, has somehow escaped your radar?”
Um, do you have any stats on this?
November 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
Tano comes from the class of people that thinks that money can be produced by snapping one’s fingers; that resources don’t have to come from somewhere; that scarcity doesn’t exist except as a silly myth.
But seriously, when you’re complaining that conservatives don’t like to fund research on wildlife genetics, you’re just getting ridiculous. How will we ever go on without the government funding research on the DNA of bears?!
If anything has promise surrounding it, the free market will get into it unless government blocks the way.
November 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Tano: Funding wildlife research? I support that! Fund it. Health care for all? Why, that sounds fantastic! Fund it. Building bridges all over the country? That sounds amazing! Fund it!
Where does it end? Do you liberals have any idea what the concept of scarcity entails?
(Also, the non-initiation of force principle, but no one seems to care about that.)
November 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
TLG
I’m sorry you continually mis-use the term judicial activist. I am against judges meddling. Giuliani used a judicial activist judge to get what he wanted. I am for judicial restraint. Read up on it.
Vetoing the entire bill does more harm than good, or that remedy would have been in play by now.
Again, how will McCain accomplish his campaign promises without the line-item veto?
November 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
TLG,
IF your only defense is to make up some cartoon characterization of your opponents, and where they come from, then you have lost the game before you even begin.
“If anything has promise surrounding it, the free market will get into it unless government blocks the way.”
That is so mindnumbingly wrong it boggles the mind.
The free market gets into things that offer the promise of profitability in the forseeable future, or within the timeframe that investors demand. And are of the scale that private investment can address. Within that space, the market is wonderful at producing goods and services. But there are many things that are of long-term value to society that are outside that window, that would never get funded if it were left to the private sector.
Every healthy society, going back to the mists of history, has invested resources in activities that seem to be utterly useless to those who only see an immediate bottom line, or whose imagination is so limited that they cannot see what can come of particular lines of research.
The medicine of the 21st century, a large part of which is based on genetics and epigenetics, would not exist were it not for a century of tax dollars funding people who sat around breeding fruit flies, or manipulating the genes of yeasts.
That is only one of a million examples. I really feel embarrased for you that you need these things explained to you.
November 13th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Tano (#22), thank you for answering my question. I also want to point out that Utah, with the lowest education cost per student, has the highest score in the nation, as opposite to Washington DC, the highest education cost, ranked almost at the bottom. You can pour, pour and pour more dollars into education, but there is too many hands in the way before they actually get to the students!
November 13th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Tano (#22)
True. It’s funny how almost all of those employed there have been educated here in USA. But yes, they do have the salaries and benefits that we cannot compete with. I think it is more because of regulations of our own government. For instance, Hewlett-Packard raised more than half of its revuene outside of North America. As such, it cannot bring those dollars home without being taxed heavily by our own federal government. So, those dollars has to stay on the outside. HP needs to hire more, but it cannot pay for those employees within USA. Really, Federal Government should be in the business of deregulating a whole lot of the industries, and as Brownback put it, take the tax book behind the barn with an ax, for next few years for us to be competitive with others. I am in favor of government funding the researches, but it should come more from the state governments, not Federal government.