In fact the Entire GOP deserves it for playing panzy with Huck. Romeny is the only one taking him on. Even Rush and Hanity keep beating arounfd the bush.
Seriously. These laters Ras poll are outliers. First was the Florida Poll, then the SC, yesterday was the Iowa and now this. I’d take this tracking poll with a grain of salt.
I thought Rush had been pretty hard on Huck over the last week or so. It’s obvious how much Rush does not like Huck – he has done everything but say “Don’t vote for him.”
I’m generally a big fan of Rasmussen, but I call bull on this particular poll. Rudy Giuliani in FOURTH place? Within the margin of error or Ron Paul? A point above Fred Thompson?
Rush is kissing up to Romney these days. He doesn’t like McCain and he is convinced he the GOP needs to use the so-con right as pawns to get enough people to the polls. Rather than trying to branch out, Rush wants the GOP to run using the same playbook. The days of success from it are numbered though. Too many suburbanites don’t buy it and too many Hispanics are moving in and voting for Democrats.
Wow, none of us have ever predicted that Rudy would crash like this! Some of us did think he has implosed, but to lose as badly as this, no. We don’t have our “Abe” for Rudy!
By the way, Abe, congratulations on your becoming a noun!
Mike is still 6 point ahead of everyone – and is finally getting the misleading ads that Mitt produced shown for what they are. Mitt is misleading and playing politics as usual – people want change.
17 adam – McCAins level of support on rassmusen has been between 12 and 15 since the begining of dec. yes others have moved but McCain is roughly the same
How’s that Fred Thompson juggernaut going? According to Rasmussen’s polls this past summer, Thompson should have the nomination wrapped up about now. Sadly (for Fred), Ras was the only one showing Thompson in the lead. Reality slapped Rasmussen across the face, and his polls were proven bogus.
Rasmussen’s polls are the worst example of cooked polls I’ve seen in over 30 years of politics. If his findings were corrobrated with other polls, then fine, but they aren’t. He’s the quintessential outlier. So stop being suckered, people.
After news organizations could not find evidence of Romney’s assertion that he “watched his father march with MLK,” this is their response:
“He was speaking figuratively, not literally,” Eric Fehrnstrom, spokesman for the Romney campaign, said of the candidate.
This is a problem for a few reasons. First, Romney is caught either lying or spinning and that reinforces the impression that he will say anything. He is sounding more and more like not just flip-flopper John Kerry, but serial fabricator Al Gore. Second, obviously civil rights is a sacred topic for some and to use a slain civil rights leader to boost your campaign will be seen as offensive. Third, Romney was using this false anecdote to refute any idea that he and LDS are bigoted. His father was indeed a proponent of civil rights, but this tarnishes that image.
Rudy waiting until after Iowa to pile on Huckabee was a huge mistake. He, McCain, and Thompson have to jump on the stop Huckabee train now!! Bunch of pansies, except for Mitt.
Rudy’s in fourth and the damage of early-state losses has not even been applied yet. How does anyone think Rudy has a chance at this point? Rudy needs to push back against Huckabee before it’s too late. Rudy sounds more and more like Thompson every day, he’ll just ignore threats and do things in his own way and at his own pace. Ironically, Thompson is sounding more like the old Rudy every day: taking bold steps like the Bus tour in Iowa even though it is not his style. And they call Mitt the Flip-flopper? He has been the most consistent of the bunch.
Adam, if California and Florida went first, I think Romney and Huckabee would be right there. California doesn’t have a clue who to vote for. They are waiting for the early state – same for Florida.
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Come on. That’s B.S. Mitt had no choice but to take on Huck in IA. That’s where he spent his millions. No one knew he would rise as high as fast. That hardly makes Mitt less of a pansy than any others candidates.
I guess it’s too bad that we’ll never know. Isn’t it? Screw Iowa and screw New Hampshire. I think we ought to talk to Sharpton and Jackson. Maybe if we coax them to complain that the process is racist becuase something like 2 % of the population of IA and NH is black then the media will demand change.
Axel, can I not say that years ago I watched Brett Favre lead the Packers to the playoffs. Or I looked on as Joe montana guided the 49ers to the super bowl. Or I watched my dad working late as a kid growing up? I was never there, and maybe never saw any of this, but I still observed what was happening.
Regarding this developing McCain scandal. I think it’s bogus for the media to suppress the issue until after the NH primary. If it is true, and there is an issue, it should get out there now so that people who are on the fence know what type of scandal they may be voting for. If McCain is guilty of this, and goes on to the general, he will get destroyed by something like this.
But I am confused about this poll. Ras is supposed to be a 4 day rolling average, right, then how does anyone go from 20 to 13 in one day. To do that you would have had to have dropped off a really huge day for him, and had practically 0 in the poll for this day. Can anyone make sense of this for me??
paul s – your right, huckabee is quite the forgiving fellow – he forgave 1,033 while in office already. I can’t wait to see how forgiving he will be on a national scale. Go Mike!
#20….UHHH, I beg to differ. I predicted MONTHS ago that Giuliani had NO chance of winning the GOP nomination (pro choice, anti gun, pro gay marriage). It was a NO BRAINER. Real conservatives don’t compromise their principals to vote for a celebrity.
In the song, “Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus, going on before….” Do you see the term ‘marching’ as literal???? It’s perfectly correct to say you saw someone ‘marching’ with MLK without being in the literal sense!! I feel like I’m ‘marching’ with other Christian, Jews, and others who hold similar values, but I haven’t walked a physical step with any of them lately.
#52, Stop playing the semantics game. It was obvious that he wanted people to think it was physical walking. If Huck can be criticized for floating crosses, Mitt can be criticized for this.
Although this ostensibly shows McCain in 2nd place, we should all remind ourselves that there is no statistical significance to his 2nd place in this poll. The four of them are all tied for second – it doesn’t make any difference who was ranked #2 and #5. All this really tells us is that in Rasmussen’s sample, Huck is ahead…
You all know you are going to switch to Huckabee eventually. You’ve already missed the opportunity to be considered politically astute, thinking individuals but you certainly DON’T have to wait until you’ve entered the category of “completely delusional.”
Really…you can even change your posting name and pretend you’ve been behind Huckabee all along if you want. Like a Colts fan.
#52 I call Bull!!! Romney, under fire for not speaking up when LDS excluded black males from the priesthood, claimed that he was not himself racist by stating, without reservation, “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” Not figuratively. Not in my mind’s eye. Not on television. He said he saw it. And he lied.
FACT: In The Summer Of 1963, Governor Romney Participated In Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Freedom Marches” In Grosse Pointe, Michigan.
In 1963, George Romney Gave The Keynote Address At The Conference That Sparked The Martin Luther King “Freedom Marches” In Detroit. “The establishment of these human relations groups came in the wake of several major events (besides the embarrassing racist practices of such suburbs as Dearborn), which took place in 1963 and helped galvanize interracial support and cooperation for integrated housing. The first event was the Metropolitan Conference on Open Occupancy held in Detroit in January 1963. The second event was the Martin Luther King ‘Freedom’ March in June of the same year, the spinoffs of which were several Detroit NAACP-sponsored interracial marches into Detroit suburbs to dramatize the need for black housing. … Governor George Romney gave the keynote speech at this conference, in which he pledged to use the power of the state to achieve housing equality in Michigan.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)
Governor Romney Marched In July 1963 In An NAACP-Sponsored March Through Grosse Pointe. “The next couple of NAACP marches into the suburbs were more pleasant. Both Grosse Pointe and Royal Oak Township welcomed the interracial marchers. Close to 500 black and white marchers, including many Grosse Pointers, marched in ‘the Pointes’ that July. Governor George Romney made a surprise appearance in his shirt sleeves and joined the parade leaders.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)
· Detroit Free Press: “With Gov. Romney a surprise arrival and marching in the front row, more than 500 Negroes and whites staged a peaceful antidiscrimination parade up Grosse Pointe’s Kercheval Avenue Saturday. … ‘the elimination of human inequalities and injustices is our urgent and critical domestic problem,’ the governor said. … [Detroit NAACP President Edward M.] Turner told reporters, ‘I think it is very significant that Governor Romney is here. We are very surprised.’ Romney said, ‘If they want me to lead the parade, I’ll be glad to.’” (“Romney Joins Protest March Of 500 In Grosse Pointe,” Detroit Free Press, 6/29/63)
· In Their 1967 Book, Stephen Hess And David Broder Wrote That George Romney “Marched With Martin Luther King Through The Exclusive Grosse Point Suburb Of Detroit.” “He has marched with Martin Luther King through the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Detroit and he is on record in support of full-coverage Federal open-housing legislation.” (Stephen Hess And David Broder, The Republican Establishment: The Present And Future Of The G.O.P., 1967, p. 107)
FACT: As Governor Of Michigan, George Romney Fought For Civil Rights And Marched In Support Of Martin Luther King Jr.
George Romney Was A Strong Proponent Of Civil Rights And Created Michigan’s First Civil Rights Commission. “The governor’s record was one of supporting civil rights. He helped create the state’s first civil rights commission and marched at the head of a protest parade in Detroit days after violence against civil rights marchers in Selma, Ala., in 1965.” (Todd Sprangler, “Romney Fields Questions On King,” Detroit Free Press, 12/20/07)
In 1967, George Romney Was Praised At A National Civil Rights Rally For His Leadership. “Michigan Gov. George Romney walked into a Negro Civil Rights rally in the heart of Atlanta to the chants of ‘We Want Romney’ and to hear protests from Negroes about city schools. ‘They had invited me to come and I was interested in hearing things that would give me an insight into Atlanta,’ the Michigan Republican said. Led by Hosea Williams, a top aide to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the all-Negro rally broke into shouts and song when Romney arrived. ‘We’re tired of Lyndon Baines Johnson,’ Williams said from a pulpit in the Flipper Temple AME Church as Romney sat in a front row pew. ‘Johnson is sending black boys to Vietnam to die for a freedom that never existed,’ Williams said. Pointing to Romney, Williams brought the crowd of 200 to its feet when he said, ‘He may be the fella with a little backbone.’ Williams said Romney could be ‘the next President if he acts right.’ The potential GOP presidential nominee left the rally before it ended.” (“Romney Praised At Civil Rights Rally In Atlanta,” The Chicago Defender, 9/30/67)
Photograph: “Dr. Martin Luther King speaking to graduate student Laura L. Leichliter (center) and Michigan’s First Lady Mrs. Lenore Romney in February 1965.” (Instructional Media Center Collection At Michigan State University Archives And Historical Collections)
George Romney Fought Discrimination In Housing. “President Nixon tapped then Governor of Michigan, George Romney, for the post of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. While serving as Governor, Secretary Romney had successfully campaigned for ratification of a state constitutional provision that prohibited discrimination in housing.” (U.S. Department Of Housing And Urban Development Official Web Site, http://www.hud.gov, Accessed 12/19/07)
Photograph: “More than 100 angry white protesters balked at efforts by then-Housing Secretary George Romney, in car, to open their new neighborhoods to blacks.” (Gordon Trowbridge and Oralandar Brand-Williams, “A Policy Of Exclusion,” Detroit News, 1/14/02)
FACT: In 1965, George Romney Led A March In Michigan To Protest Selma.
In 1965, George Romney Led A Protest Parade Of Some 10,000 People In Detroit. “Rarely has public opinion reacted so spontaneously and with such fury. In Detroit, Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh and Michigan’s Governor George Romney led a protest parade of 10,000 people.” (“Civil Rights – The Central Point,” Time Magazine, http://www.time.com, 10/5/83)
· The Days Of Martin Luther King, Jr.: “In Detroit, Governor George Romney and Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh called for a march to protest what had happened in Selma.” (Jim Bishop, The Days Of Martin Luther King, Jr., 1971, p. 385)
FACT: Martin Luther King Jr. “Spoke Positively” About The Possible Presidential Candidacy Of George Romney.
In His Pulitzer-Prize Winning Biography Of Dr. King, David Garrow Notes That King “Spoke Positively” About The Possible Presidential Candidacy Of George Romney. “King spoke positively about the possible candidacies of republicans George Romney, Charles Percy, and Nelson Rockefeller. He also stressed the need for greater Afro-American unity, including reaching out to segments of the black community that were not committed to nonviolence.” (David J. Garrow, Bearing the Cross: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, 2006, p. 575)
FACT: George Romney Attended King’s Funeral In 1968.
George Romney Attended King’s Funeral In 1968. “Vice President Hubert Humphrey represented the White House. Senator and Mrs. Robert F. Kennedy; Mrs. John F. Kennedy; Governor and Mrs. Nelson Rockefeller of New York; the mayor of New York City, John V Lindsay; and Michigan’s governor, George Romney, were present.” (Octavia Vivian, Coretta: The Story of Coretta Scott King, 2006, p. 99)
· George Romney Joined Other Prominent Americans In Attending King’s Funeral. “Inside was the greatest galaxy of prominent national figures there had ever been in Atlanta at one time: Robert Kennedy, George Romney, Mayor Carl Stokes of Cleveland, Nixon, Rockefeller, Harry Belafonte, and an endless array of others equally as famous. Coretta Scott King, sitting with her family front and center in front of the casket, looked lovely and courageous and dignified in a black mourning veil.” (Franklin Miller Garrett, Atlanta and Environs: A Chronicle of Its People and Events, 1987, p. 517)
· After King’s Assassination, George Romney Declared An Official Period Of Mourning, Ordered All Flags To Be Flown At Half Staff And Said King’s Death Was “A Great National Tragedy.” “On April 4, 1968, Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as he stood on a motel balcony in Memphis, Tenn., where he had gone to lead a civil rights march. The following day, Michigan Gov. George Romney declared an official period of mourning for King. The period extended through King’s funeral. Romney ordered all flags on public buildings to be flown at half staff and asked that the same be done on private buildings. Gov. Romney, in an official statement, said: “The assassination of Martin Luther King is a great national tragedy. At a time when we need aggressive nonviolent leadership to peacefully achieve equal rights, equal opportunities and equal responsibilities for all, his leadership will be grievously missed.” (“Rearview Mirror: Detroit Reacts To King’s Assassination,” The Detroit News, 4/4/07)
[...] Over at Race 4 2008, Axel G. makes a great point: This is a problem for a few reasons. First, Romney is caught either lying or spinning and that [...]
ROmney did see his father march in MLK’s movement and spoke at his events. His father claimed as much to Mitt and Scott Romney. Broder and other writers have it as part of documented history that “George Romney Marched with MLK” . . . now it’s hard to blame Romney for repeating what he’d heard and what has been documented. Talk about trying to catch someone in a word. Fairminded folks will see this as another hit-job pseudo-gotcha moment.
George ROmney was a champion of civil rights during a controversial time.
Well it looks like the rest of the nation is catching up with the early states.
Bad for Rudy. If this poll gets some confirmation, you can stick a fork in him. Where did all those legions of Rudyites go that weren’t supposed to pay attention to anything before Jan. 29? Looks like they’ve been watching the news after all (oops).
So short of streaking across the National Mall, how does Rudy change the narrative in this race? He’s basically completely left out. Even Thompson is getting more press, and I think he’ll drop out before New Hampshire.
Quit trying to make an issue out of a non-issue. Quit trying to deflect criticism at your guy’s record on issues that face our nation today like raising taxes, freeing convicted criminals, accepting illegal gifts, using the power of the office for personal gain, giving illegal immigrant children college tuition breaks, supporting drivers licenses for illegals, and on, and on, and on, and on.
Apparently Broder was wrong. There is no evidence that George Romney ever marched with King. And this isn’t about what the Romney boys were told. Mitt Romney said he saw it. In a campaign with a Clinton truth and integrity are issues.
You obviously missed my support for McCain as the strongest general election candidate, and how he would be best to stand up against Putin.
Its offensive to suggest conservatives are not just as offended as dems by the use of a slain civil rights leader to boost a political campaign. And I guess you missed me pointing out that Jesse Jackson did something similar, although he did at least march with King.
Listen up, people. If you go back to the national polls taken from mid-June through the third week of September (archived here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html), Rasmussen pretty consistently showed Fred Thompson leading the Republican field. This despite that every other poll showed Rudy leading. As an example, on Sept. 23, Ras showed Thompson leading the pack by 5%; a week later, the Washington Post/ABC poll showed Rudy ahead by 17%. The point is, and you can look back on the archive of polls, Rasmussen was the only poll showing Thompson in the lead. When every other poll showed Rudy in the over this timeframe, Ras’s polls are what are know in statistics as “outliers.†And even when Ras finally had to succumb to reality, his leads for Rudy were lower than most other polls.
What to conclude from all of this? Either Rasmussen’s survey methods are suspect, or he was deliberately cooking his polls to 1) push Thompson’s candidacy and 2) suppress Rudy’s support. But a reasonable person would have to conclude that regardless of what was going on with his polls, Rasmussen’s findings were not to be trusted. If Rasmussen’s surveys were junk from June to Sept., there’s no reason not to conclude they’re junk now.
And the way his suspect polls are quoted as if they were Holy Writ by some (mostly Rudy-haters), makes me angry. I don’t know if I’m more furious with Ras for cooking his polls, or with the legions of the Stupid Wing of the Republican Party for swallowing his baloney loaf whole, or with the supposed smart guys on the cable networks who can’t see that Ras is blowing smoke. Politics is a high-stakes game, and obviously, some people play by cheating.
Can we all agree that most Republicans are schitzo right now? Coalesce around a 3 legged stool, folks. At least around Thompson and maybe McCain, but a no-duh on Romney being the man for the job. Let’s hope people get a clue quickly.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Rudy at 13%!!!!!!!!!
December 20th, 2007 at 11:08 am
…and the margin keeps on getting wider.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:10 am
Oh boy. Rasmussen like to create a weekly front-runner, next week is McCain turn.
Can somebody stop the Rudybust is just to painful to watch.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:10 am
maybe they should keep Rudy in hospital when they tell him this news.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:11 am
NUTS!!!!!!!!!! He deserves it for playing panzy with Huck.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:11 am
It looks like McCain will be the benefactor of the Rudy fall.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:11 am
Polls that jump around this much are worse than worthless. I find it surprising that people’s opinions change that much that quickly.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Huckabee!
December 20th, 2007 at 11:13 am
It looks like McCain has a scandal brewing. Check it out at Drudge.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:14 am
In fact the Entire GOP deserves it for playing panzy with Huck. Romeny is the only one taking him on. Even Rush and Hanity keep beating arounfd the bush.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:14 am
If this is real then the story is McCain. The establishment can derail Huck after he wins IA. If McCain wins in NH then he is in really good shape.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:15 am
This may be a good thing for Rudy. It might actually cause him to stand and fight.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:15 am
Seriously. These laters Ras poll are outliers. First was the Florida Poll, then the SC, yesterday was the Iowa and now this. I’d take this tracking poll with a grain of salt.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:15 am
Right on cue, Matt Drudge is doing all he can to help his boyfriend Mitt.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:15 am
11 – this is not a big move for McCain. He has been in that range nationaly forver
December 20th, 2007 at 11:16 am
I thought Rush had been pretty hard on Huck over the last week or so. It’s obvious how much Rush does not like Huck – he has done everything but say “Don’t vote for him.”
December 20th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Steve,
When was the last time any poll showed him six points behind the leader of the pack?
December 20th, 2007 at 11:17 am
I’m generally a big fan of Rasmussen, but I call bull on this particular poll. Rudy Giuliani in FOURTH place? Within the margin of error or Ron Paul? A point above Fred Thompson?
December 20th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Rush is kissing up to Romney these days. He doesn’t like McCain and he is convinced he the GOP needs to use the so-con right as pawns to get enough people to the polls. Rather than trying to branch out, Rush wants the GOP to run using the same playbook. The days of success from it are numbered though. Too many suburbanites don’t buy it and too many Hispanics are moving in and voting for Democrats.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Wow, none of us have ever predicted that Rudy would crash like this! Some of us did think he has implosed, but to lose as badly as this, no. We don’t have our “Abe” for Rudy!
By the way, Abe, congratulations on your becoming a noun!
December 20th, 2007 at 11:20 am
Goodbye Rudy. I’ll be fine if Huck doesn’t win.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:21 am
#20 lol
December 20th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Mike is still 6 point ahead of everyone – and is finally getting the misleading ads that Mitt produced shown for what they are. Mitt is misleading and playing politics as usual – people want change.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:24 am
17 adam – McCAins level of support on rassmusen has been between 12 and 15 since the begining of dec. yes others have moved but McCain is roughly the same
December 20th, 2007 at 11:25 am
#24, He has been up in almost every poll lately. Thats just the facts.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:26 am
And all of this as the new Q-poll shows Rudy 7 in FL and a brand new Field poll shows Rudy up 8 in CA.
Frankly I am sick and tired of Iowa and New Hampshire. If FL and CA went first, neither Huckabee nor Romney would be in the hunt.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:27 am
How’s that Fred Thompson juggernaut going? According to Rasmussen’s polls this past summer, Thompson should have the nomination wrapped up about now. Sadly (for Fred), Ras was the only one showing Thompson in the lead. Reality slapped Rasmussen across the face, and his polls were proven bogus.
Rasmussen’s polls are the worst example of cooked polls I’ve seen in over 30 years of politics. If his findings were corrobrated with other polls, then fine, but they aren’t. He’s the quintessential outlier. So stop being suckered, people.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:27 am
After news organizations could not find evidence of Romney’s assertion that he “watched his father march with MLK,” this is their response:
“He was speaking figuratively, not literally,” Eric Fehrnstrom, spokesman for the Romney campaign, said of the candidate.
This is a problem for a few reasons. First, Romney is caught either lying or spinning and that reinforces the impression that he will say anything. He is sounding more and more like not just flip-flopper John Kerry, but serial fabricator Al Gore. Second, obviously civil rights is a sacred topic for some and to use a slain civil rights leader to boost your campaign will be seen as offensive. Third, Romney was using this false anecdote to refute any idea that he and LDS are bigoted. His father was indeed a proponent of civil rights, but this tarnishes that image.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:28 am
Giuliani endorsed by NH paper:
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/GJOPINION_01/360921283
December 20th, 2007 at 11:28 am
SGS,
Thanks….but you are right….
Who predicted THIS!!
I am very doubtful, and yet…..
December 20th, 2007 at 11:28 am
25 – Im not talking about other polls im talking about this poll. Im just saying he hasnt moved much on this poll.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Rudy waiting until after Iowa to pile on Huckabee was a huge mistake. He, McCain, and Thompson have to jump on the stop Huckabee train now!! Bunch of pansies, except for Mitt.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Here is a graph with Ras Data:
If the HREF breaks, here is the image directly:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2315/2124459195_f2b1343312_o.jpg
Here is a Graph with trending based on same data:
Once again, if the Link breaks, here is the image directly:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2278/2124459225_c6155ae5f3_o.jpg
December 20th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Rudy’s in fourth and the damage of early-state losses has not even been applied yet. How does anyone think Rudy has a chance at this point? Rudy needs to push back against Huckabee before it’s too late. Rudy sounds more and more like Thompson every day, he’ll just ignore threats and do things in his own way and at his own pace. Ironically, Thompson is sounding more like the old Rudy every day: taking bold steps like the Bus tour in Iowa even though it is not his style. And they call Mitt the Flip-flopper? He has been the most consistent of the bunch.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:36 am
Adam, if California and Florida went first, I think Romney and Huckabee would be right there. California doesn’t have a clue who to vote for. They are waiting for the early state – same for Florida.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Off Topic: I got this email and fell on the floor laughing. Thought some of you might enjoy it.
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December 20th, 2007 at 11:37 am
What the…
December 20th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Illinois,
Come on. That’s B.S. Mitt had no choice but to take on Huck in IA. That’s where he spent his millions. No one knew he would rise as high as fast. That hardly makes Mitt less of a pansy than any others candidates.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:38 am
I don’t think I buy this one.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:39 am
RUDY – WILL – BE – THE – NOMINEE. PROMISE.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:39 am
Greg,
I guess it’s too bad that we’ll never know. Isn’t it? Screw Iowa and screw New Hampshire. I think we ought to talk to Sharpton and Jackson. Maybe if we coax them to complain that the process is racist becuase something like 2 % of the population of IA and NH is black then the media will demand change.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Axel, can I not say that years ago I watched Brett Favre lead the Packers to the playoffs. Or I looked on as Joe montana guided the 49ers to the super bowl. Or I watched my dad working late as a kid growing up? I was never there, and maybe never saw any of this, but I still observed what was happening.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:42 am
#35, That was great.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:44 am
“It looks like McCain will be the benefactor of the Rudy fall.”
Not for long. There’s a McCain scandal on the horizon. Matt Drudge is on a mission to shoot down all who get in the path of the Mittmentum.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:45 am
Greg,
Huh? Are you saying mormons define the verb “see” differently?
December 20th, 2007 at 11:49 am
Regarding this developing McCain scandal. I think it’s bogus for the media to suppress the issue until after the NH primary. If it is true, and there is an issue, it should get out there now so that people who are on the fence know what type of scandal they may be voting for. If McCain is guilty of this, and goes on to the general, he will get destroyed by something like this.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:52 am
Rudy is free falling on intrade….31.1 now
But I am confused about this poll. Ras is supposed to be a 4 day rolling average, right, then how does anyone go from 20 to 13 in one day. To do that you would have had to have dropped off a really huge day for him, and had practically 0 in the poll for this day. Can anyone make sense of this for me??
December 20th, 2007 at 11:52 am
Hmmmmmm. Looks like AUTHENTICITY is important to America after all.
HUCKAPALOOZA is UNDERWAY!
Its not to late to get on board. We’re a openminded, forgiving bunch (being good Christians and all).
December 20th, 2007 at 11:54 am
paul s – your right, huckabee is quite the forgiving fellow – he forgave 1,033 while in office already. I can’t wait to see how forgiving he will be on a national scale. Go Mike!
December 20th, 2007 at 11:55 am
#49 – (as I wipe the crap off of me from the previous post)
I am with Matthew on this one. I call BS on this poll. I find it hard to believe that Rudy is 4th place after only 1 poll.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:55 am
#20….UHHH, I beg to differ. I predicted MONTHS ago that Giuliani had NO chance of winning the GOP nomination (pro choice, anti gun, pro gay marriage). It was a NO BRAINER. Real conservatives don’t compromise their principals to vote for a celebrity.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:56 am
In the song, “Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus, going on before….” Do you see the term ‘marching’ as literal???? It’s perfectly correct to say you saw someone ‘marching’ with MLK without being in the literal sense!! I feel like I’m ‘marching’ with other Christian, Jews, and others who hold similar values, but I haven’t walked a physical step with any of them lately.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:56 am
#51 – So they vote for Huckabee??? ROFLMAO.
December 20th, 2007 at 11:57 am
#52, Stop playing the semantics game. It was obvious that he wanted people to think it was physical walking. If Huck can be criticized for floating crosses, Mitt can be criticized for this.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Hello, all- (McCain-site publisher)
Although this ostensibly shows McCain in 2nd place, we should all remind ourselves that there is no statistical significance to his 2nd place in this poll. The four of them are all tied for second – it doesn’t make any difference who was ranked #2 and #5. All this really tells us is that in Rasmussen’s sample, Huck is ahead…
December 20th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
“It’s perfectly correct to say you saw someone ‘marching’ with MLK without being in the literal sense!! ”
I think the way he said it implied the marching in a literal way.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Seriously,
You all know you are going to switch to Huckabee eventually. You’ve already missed the opportunity to be considered politically astute, thinking individuals but you certainly DON’T have to wait until you’ve entered the category of “completely delusional.”
Really…you can even change your posting name and pretend you’ve been behind Huckabee all along if you want. Like a Colts fan.
Paul
December 20th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
#52 I call Bull!!! Romney, under fire for not speaking up when LDS excluded black males from the priesthood, claimed that he was not himself racist by stating, without reservation, “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” Not figuratively. Not in my mind’s eye. Not on television. He said he saw it. And he lied.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Yes, figuratively. /mitt
December 20th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Spam alert!! (since somebody brough it up again)
GOV. GEORGE ROMNEY AND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
FACT: In The Summer Of 1963, Governor Romney Participated In Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Freedom Marches” In Grosse Pointe, Michigan.
In 1963, George Romney Gave The Keynote Address At The Conference That Sparked The Martin Luther King “Freedom Marches” In Detroit. “The establishment of these human relations groups came in the wake of several major events (besides the embarrassing racist practices of such suburbs as Dearborn), which took place in 1963 and helped galvanize interracial support and cooperation for integrated housing. The first event was the Metropolitan Conference on Open Occupancy held in Detroit in January 1963. The second event was the Martin Luther King ‘Freedom’ March in June of the same year, the spinoffs of which were several Detroit NAACP-sponsored interracial marches into Detroit suburbs to dramatize the need for black housing. … Governor George Romney gave the keynote speech at this conference, in which he pledged to use the power of the state to achieve housing equality in Michigan.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)
Governor Romney Marched In July 1963 In An NAACP-Sponsored March Through Grosse Pointe. “The next couple of NAACP marches into the suburbs were more pleasant. Both Grosse Pointe and Royal Oak Township welcomed the interracial marchers. Close to 500 black and white marchers, including many Grosse Pointers, marched in ‘the Pointes’ that July. Governor George Romney made a surprise appearance in his shirt sleeves and joined the parade leaders.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)
· Detroit Free Press: “With Gov. Romney a surprise arrival and marching in the front row, more than 500 Negroes and whites staged a peaceful antidiscrimination parade up Grosse Pointe’s Kercheval Avenue Saturday. … ‘the elimination of human inequalities and injustices is our urgent and critical domestic problem,’ the governor said. … [Detroit NAACP President Edward M.] Turner told reporters, ‘I think it is very significant that Governor Romney is here. We are very surprised.’ Romney said, ‘If they want me to lead the parade, I’ll be glad to.’” (“Romney Joins Protest March Of 500 In Grosse Pointe,” Detroit Free Press, 6/29/63)
· In Their 1967 Book, Stephen Hess And David Broder Wrote That George Romney “Marched With Martin Luther King Through The Exclusive Grosse Point Suburb Of Detroit.” “He has marched with Martin Luther King through the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Detroit and he is on record in support of full-coverage Federal open-housing legislation.” (Stephen Hess And David Broder, The Republican Establishment: The Present And Future Of The G.O.P., 1967, p. 107)
FACT: As Governor Of Michigan, George Romney Fought For Civil Rights And Marched In Support Of Martin Luther King Jr.
George Romney Was A Strong Proponent Of Civil Rights And Created Michigan’s First Civil Rights Commission. “The governor’s record was one of supporting civil rights. He helped create the state’s first civil rights commission and marched at the head of a protest parade in Detroit days after violence against civil rights marchers in Selma, Ala., in 1965.” (Todd Sprangler, “Romney Fields Questions On King,” Detroit Free Press, 12/20/07)
In 1967, George Romney Was Praised At A National Civil Rights Rally For His Leadership. “Michigan Gov. George Romney walked into a Negro Civil Rights rally in the heart of Atlanta to the chants of ‘We Want Romney’ and to hear protests from Negroes about city schools. ‘They had invited me to come and I was interested in hearing things that would give me an insight into Atlanta,’ the Michigan Republican said. Led by Hosea Williams, a top aide to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the all-Negro rally broke into shouts and song when Romney arrived. ‘We’re tired of Lyndon Baines Johnson,’ Williams said from a pulpit in the Flipper Temple AME Church as Romney sat in a front row pew. ‘Johnson is sending black boys to Vietnam to die for a freedom that never existed,’ Williams said. Pointing to Romney, Williams brought the crowd of 200 to its feet when he said, ‘He may be the fella with a little backbone.’ Williams said Romney could be ‘the next President if he acts right.’ The potential GOP presidential nominee left the rally before it ended.” (“Romney Praised At Civil Rights Rally In Atlanta,” The Chicago Defender, 9/30/67)
Photograph: “Dr. Martin Luther King speaking to graduate student Laura L. Leichliter (center) and Michigan’s First Lady Mrs. Lenore Romney in February 1965.” (Instructional Media Center Collection At Michigan State University Archives And Historical Collections)
George Romney Fought Discrimination In Housing. “President Nixon tapped then Governor of Michigan, George Romney, for the post of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. While serving as Governor, Secretary Romney had successfully campaigned for ratification of a state constitutional provision that prohibited discrimination in housing.” (U.S. Department Of Housing And Urban Development Official Web Site, http://www.hud.gov, Accessed 12/19/07)
Photograph: “More than 100 angry white protesters balked at efforts by then-Housing Secretary George Romney, in car, to open their new neighborhoods to blacks.” (Gordon Trowbridge and Oralandar Brand-Williams, “A Policy Of Exclusion,” Detroit News, 1/14/02)
FACT: In 1965, George Romney Led A March In Michigan To Protest Selma.
In 1965, George Romney Led A Protest Parade Of Some 10,000 People In Detroit. “Rarely has public opinion reacted so spontaneously and with such fury. In Detroit, Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh and Michigan’s Governor George Romney led a protest parade of 10,000 people.” (“Civil Rights – The Central Point,” Time Magazine, http://www.time.com, 10/5/83)
· The Days Of Martin Luther King, Jr.: “In Detroit, Governor George Romney and Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh called for a march to protest what had happened in Selma.” (Jim Bishop, The Days Of Martin Luther King, Jr., 1971, p. 385)
FACT: Martin Luther King Jr. “Spoke Positively” About The Possible Presidential Candidacy Of George Romney.
In His Pulitzer-Prize Winning Biography Of Dr. King, David Garrow Notes That King “Spoke Positively” About The Possible Presidential Candidacy Of George Romney. “King spoke positively about the possible candidacies of republicans George Romney, Charles Percy, and Nelson Rockefeller. He also stressed the need for greater Afro-American unity, including reaching out to segments of the black community that were not committed to nonviolence.” (David J. Garrow, Bearing the Cross: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, 2006, p. 575)
FACT: George Romney Attended King’s Funeral In 1968.
George Romney Attended King’s Funeral In 1968. “Vice President Hubert Humphrey represented the White House. Senator and Mrs. Robert F. Kennedy; Mrs. John F. Kennedy; Governor and Mrs. Nelson Rockefeller of New York; the mayor of New York City, John V Lindsay; and Michigan’s governor, George Romney, were present.” (Octavia Vivian, Coretta: The Story of Coretta Scott King, 2006, p. 99)
· George Romney Joined Other Prominent Americans In Attending King’s Funeral. “Inside was the greatest galaxy of prominent national figures there had ever been in Atlanta at one time: Robert Kennedy, George Romney, Mayor Carl Stokes of Cleveland, Nixon, Rockefeller, Harry Belafonte, and an endless array of others equally as famous. Coretta Scott King, sitting with her family front and center in front of the casket, looked lovely and courageous and dignified in a black mourning veil.” (Franklin Miller Garrett, Atlanta and Environs: A Chronicle of Its People and Events, 1987, p. 517)
· After King’s Assassination, George Romney Declared An Official Period Of Mourning, Ordered All Flags To Be Flown At Half Staff And Said King’s Death Was “A Great National Tragedy.” “On April 4, 1968, Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated as he stood on a motel balcony in Memphis, Tenn., where he had gone to lead a civil rights march. The following day, Michigan Gov. George Romney declared an official period of mourning for King. The period extended through King’s funeral. Romney ordered all flags on public buildings to be flown at half staff and asked that the same be done on private buildings. Gov. Romney, in an official statement, said: “The assassination of Martin Luther King is a great national tragedy. At a time when we need aggressive nonviolent leadership to peacefully achieve equal rights, equal opportunities and equal responsibilities for all, his leadership will be grievously missed.” (“Rearview Mirror: Detroit Reacts To King’s Assassination,” The Detroit News, 4/4/07)
December 20th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
[...] Over at Race 4 2008, Axel G. makes a great point: This is a problem for a few reasons. First, Romney is caught either lying or spinning and that [...]
December 20th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
ROmney did see his father march in MLK’s movement and spoke at his events. His father claimed as much to Mitt and Scott Romney. Broder and other writers have it as part of documented history that “George Romney Marched with MLK” . . . now it’s hard to blame Romney for repeating what he’d heard and what has been documented. Talk about trying to catch someone in a word. Fairminded folks will see this as another hit-job pseudo-gotcha moment.
George ROmney was a champion of civil rights during a controversial time.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Well it looks like the rest of the nation is catching up with the early states.
Bad for Rudy. If this poll gets some confirmation, you can stick a fork in him. Where did all those legions of Rudyites go that weren’t supposed to pay attention to anything before Jan. 29? Looks like they’ve been watching the news after all (oops).
So short of streaking across the National Mall, how does Rudy change the narrative in this race? He’s basically completely left out. Even Thompson is getting more press, and I think he’ll drop out before New Hampshire.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Axel,
Quit trying to make an issue out of a non-issue. Quit trying to deflect criticism at your guy’s record on issues that face our nation today like raising taxes, freeing convicted criminals, accepting illegal gifts, using the power of the office for personal gain, giving illegal immigrant children college tuition breaks, supporting drivers licenses for illegals, and on, and on, and on, and on.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Jeff,
Thanks …again… for the MLK, Jr. and George Romney Info….
December 20th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Fine, if true. But then why did the Romney campaign say that it wasn’t literal?
December 20th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Jeff,
Apparently Broder was wrong. There is no evidence that George Romney ever marched with King. And this isn’t about what the Romney boys were told. Mitt Romney said he saw it. In a campaign with a Clinton truth and integrity are issues.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
#54 Huck is criticized for being a liberal nut job/preacher. not so much for crosses.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
I think Axel is a Dem operative all he does is bash (R) candidates.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
You obviously missed my support for McCain as the strongest general election candidate, and how he would be best to stand up against Putin.
Its offensive to suggest conservatives are not just as offended as dems by the use of a slain civil rights leader to boost a political campaign. And I guess you missed me pointing out that Jesse Jackson did something similar, although he did at least march with King.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Axel, after all Jeff laid before your eyes, how can you say ‘there is no evidence’? Did you even read it??? DUHHHHHH!!!
December 20th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
A bit more on Rasmussen:
Listen up, people. If you go back to the national polls taken from mid-June through the third week of September (archived here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html), Rasmussen pretty consistently showed Fred Thompson leading the Republican field. This despite that every other poll showed Rudy leading. As an example, on Sept. 23, Ras showed Thompson leading the pack by 5%; a week later, the Washington Post/ABC poll showed Rudy ahead by 17%. The point is, and you can look back on the archive of polls, Rasmussen was the only poll showing Thompson in the lead. When every other poll showed Rudy in the over this timeframe, Ras’s polls are what are know in statistics as “outliers.†And even when Ras finally had to succumb to reality, his leads for Rudy were lower than most other polls.
What to conclude from all of this? Either Rasmussen’s survey methods are suspect, or he was deliberately cooking his polls to 1) push Thompson’s candidacy and 2) suppress Rudy’s support. But a reasonable person would have to conclude that regardless of what was going on with his polls, Rasmussen’s findings were not to be trusted. If Rasmussen’s surveys were junk from June to Sept., there’s no reason not to conclude they’re junk now.
And the way his suspect polls are quoted as if they were Holy Writ by some (mostly Rudy-haters), makes me angry. I don’t know if I’m more furious with Ras for cooking his polls, or with the legions of the Stupid Wing of the Republican Party for swallowing his baloney loaf whole, or with the supposed smart guys on the cable networks who can’t see that Ras is blowing smoke. Politics is a high-stakes game, and obviously, some people play by cheating.
December 20th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
63: We’ll have no fork-sticking ’til Feb. 5, if you don’t mind.
But I suppose Hunter might fade gently away before then.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Just FYI, Intrade has Giuliani at 30.6 Romney 25.1 Huckagomer 17.9 McCain 12.4
December 20th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Don’t worry, shock and awe is right around the corner. Right Metro?
December 20th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Metro, is Intrade still a good guide? I should have purchased Romney at $17 last week.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Just don’t buy Giuliani. McCain looks relatively cheap.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Can we all agree that most Republicans are schitzo right now? Coalesce around a 3 legged stool, folks. At least around Thompson and maybe McCain, but a no-duh on Romney being the man for the job. Let’s hope people get a clue quickly.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Shock and awe, baby. Just wait for the shock and awe.
December 20th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Yes, I’m shocked that intrade has Giuliani at 26.1 and Romney at 25.2