Spoke at a mega-church today of a pastor who has accused Catholics of plotting with Hitler to kill Jews, and claims that the Pope is the anti-Christ?
You guessed it. Mike Huckabee.
“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.” — Pastor John Hagee, who hosted Mike Huckabee at his mega-church today.
Flashback: In late July, the Brownback camp asked the Huckabee camp to stop an anti-Catholic whisper campaign being waged by a key Huckabee pastor. The Brownback campaign attempted to solve the issue without making it into a media circus, which it became after an unresponsive Huckabee campaign.
—–Original Message—–
From: Martin Gillespie
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 2:02 AM
To: Chip Saltsman
Cc: Rob Wasinger
Subject: Fw: the presidential campaignChip, earlier this afternoon, this was fwded to us by a key evangelical
pastor in Ames. I don’t know if the author is officially aligned with your
campaign in some capacity, but this is disgusting. We’ve been picking up on
a whisper campaign anecdotally from some of our evangelical supporters.Can we count on you guys to put an end to this trash on your end?
Two days later? No response from the Huckabee campaign.
Huckabee campaign’s response this time?
“Three members of the senior leadership of the campaign are Catholic, including our national chairman. Gov. Huckabee is committed to being a leader of all Americans,” said Charmaine Yoest, one of his senior advisers.
So, because Huckabee has some Catholics on his campaign, I guess it makes it OK to rub shoulders with an anti-Catholic bigot.
This is all I am going to say: Nothing makes me more mad then when a politician attempts to divide the Body of Christ for political gain, especially when the politician says he is a minister.
UPDATE: Redstate asks if Huckabee will make $25,000 from today’s appearance.
Another comment: A month ago, two close relatives of mine were supporting Mike Huckabee. He lost both their votes. One after the Jesus/satan brothers question and one today over speaking at this church today.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:39 am
Billy you should also mention that he could receive $25,000 for speaking there.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:42 am
John Hagee is a very popular minister in the evangelical world, and his belief that the Vatican helped facilitate some of Hitler’s act is hardly Hagee’s defining message. I’m telling you guys, if you want to take Huckabee down, just contrast his positions on the issues with the Constitution. Propogating “guilt by association” gossip is a waste of time when Mike Huckabee’s biggest problem is right under our nose.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:44 am
Josiah,
Maybe, maybe not. But perhaps Billy is just a little offended and would like to voice his opinion?
December 24th, 2007 at 12:51 am
I am Catholic and not all offended. I was not offended when Bush went to the mecca of anti Catholicism Bob Jones to speak. I was not offended when Catholic Jeb Bus and very Catholic Alana Keyes spoke there. I was not offended when very Catholic Senator Rick Santorum spoke with Hagee. I am not offended that Mitch Romney hag gotten their endorsement
I think Rod Dreher who is Eastern Orthodox and also not offended has the best take on it here
http://opinionatedcatholic.blogspot.com/2007/12/dreher-slams-faux-huckabee-catholic.html
December 24th, 2007 at 12:51 am
Josiah, this isn’t an isolated happening. How about his “question” about Mormons believing Jesus and lucifer are brothers? And how about how his campaign handled the anti-Catholic email in Iowa? There is a clear and convincing pattern of using religious bigotry for his own political gain.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:53 am
JH — Why am I surprised that a long-time pro-Huckabee blogger isn’t offended?
December 24th, 2007 at 12:55 am
#5 Billy,
Okay, but you folks are trying to take down Huckabee with “guilt by association” gossip instead of trying to take down Huckabee vis-Ã -vis the Constitution at your own peril. Gossip like this can take extensive research to verify, can be easily refuted or dismissed, and the media can get bored with it quickly. It’s hard to refute the Constitution.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:56 am
#1, who cares? that is pennies compared to other big name ministers. Bishop TD Jakes – 100k, Joel Osteen (over heard), 75k plus all travel, and others that are astronomical.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:58 am
Brett,
He’s running for president and he has a side show making 25,000 on the weekend preaching, I think most people would see a problem with this.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:58 am
I guess this all we can expect from Race42008 since we have no Huckabee supporters on the Front Page.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:59 am
I have to agree with Billy here. It’s not just that Huck is associated with this one guy. It’s the pattern he’s setting. Huck wants to put forth an appearance of one who is having to defend himself and his background, while using religious themes to attract support from Evangelicals, and yet he also has no problem simultaneously dividing people along religious lines, be they Mormons or Catholics or anyone else. Bush and Keyes and Santorum didn’t go speak at Bob Jones with a questionable background of religious intolerance behind them.
At the same time, Jeb Bush and Alan Keyes, both Catholic, were the speakers at Bob Jones. Huck is not Catholic and stood with an anti-Catholic speaker. Big difference.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:01 am
#5 – it is only clear and convincing when you tilt and slant this based on your own perception. If you start out with the preconceived notion that Huckabee is the dark person, then you will find all sorts of “dirt” on him. I can find all sorts of problems with Mitt or Rudy – but what use is pointing those out – we just want to promote our candidate.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:04 am
#9 – a lot of speakers make money on the side. They fund their foundations and lives with this income while they campaign and work on charities. This happens alot – it is being brought to light here because everyone is looking for incriminating evidence against Mike right now. These speakers make money talking – why is this that much different. If Mitt went to a stock brokers conference and charged 25k to speak nobody would be screaming.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:04 am
Can you say Snake in the Grass? That’s what Huckabee is a lying snake in the grass.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:08 am
Brett,
Something Huckabee (and his supporters for that matter) don’t understand is the need for an official to avoid the very perception of impropriety. Huckabee seems to bathe in it.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:17 am
Huckster is just like another Arkansas governor who we know very well who lied and did anything they could to get into the White House.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:21 am
So I (as a supporter) have an issue with impropriety? Please explain this to me. Huckabee’s apparent impropriety is only visible through these amber colored glasses you put on.
Most people that know Hagee and his ministry do not have ill feelings toward it.
Most people do not put all the candidates under a microscope like Race42008 does to look for the subtle hidden meaning of the coffee that they drank this morning. We are way too involved to be objective responders it seems. I talked to a group of 50 people today. They BARELY even knew the news on the various campaigns from 2 weeks ago, much less that from this week.
I do not spend my time slamming Mitt, John, Rudy or Fred. I might get a playful jab in every now and then, but for the most part I try to promote Mike. Why is there such vitriolic hatred? I know my candidate personally. You guys attack him like he killed your first born. He is a normal person like you and me. He is trying to make a difference and help others. I am not about to ask “why can’t we all get along” for the obvious reason, but seriously, do we have to resort to the lowest common denominator?
If you had a chance to meet Mike and talk to him, I can’t help but be convinced that you would not feel the same way about him.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:26 am
Not to change the subject, but I thought this was interesting regarding odds for candidates. I know Metro is always touting Intrade, so I thought seeing what real Vegas oddsmakers have the candidates chances at. Romney is leading the Republicans with 5 to 1 odds, and Huckabee is 2nd to last with 12 to 1 odds. FWIW
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/23/america/letter.php?page=1
December 24th, 2007 at 1:31 am
Brett, I am not one to wage religious wars. But, as a Christan, I am offended by Huckabee’s use of pitting Evangelicals vs. Mormons/Catholics in order to gain votes. The trend/history is there. And others are offended too. That’s why the biggest Catholic news outlet and Reuters are writing about it. It isn’t some conspiracy that started here on R4′08.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:36 am
Jared, “real Vegas oddsmakers”? The article doesn’t even name a source! (Also, those are odds to win the Presidency, not the nomination.)
Intrade and Betfair are by far the largest political markets, with MILLIONS of dollars traded. And they are within a point of one another.
If some small (unnamed) bookie has placed odds substantially different from Intrade/Betfair, then there is a substantial arbitrage opportunity to be made.
But this alleged bookie would close up fast if anyone made a substantial offer on odds that were so poorly set.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:37 am
I didn’t know John Hagee was anti-Catholic. What I did know is that Paster Hagee is a fiercer Zionist than most Jews I know (I’m Jewish), he raises lots of money and other support for the Jewish state, and he even lobbies on Israel’s behalf. I really like the guy.
And more and more I’m beginning to like Gov. Mike Huckabee.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:41 am
#21, Thanks for posting – I hope you can keep an open mind. Huckabee is a HUGE supporter of Israel as well – he is a firm believer in the promise “He who blesses Israel shall be blessed, and he who curses Israel shall be cursed” – take care. feel free to check out the Huckabee Grassroots at http://www.hucksarmy.com forums as well.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:42 am
Civic #21. . .As one Jew to another, I have to ask you: What is it about Huck that you are liking more and more? Because as a Jew I find him more offensive and a bigger threat to religious tolerance than anyone since Pat Buchanan tried to secure the nomination.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:44 am
OK great, he supports Israel. Forget that he thinks the Pope is the anti-Christ, we’ll let that pass. He does good things, he has good intentions. Isn’t there a road to somewhere paved with good intentions?
December 24th, 2007 at 1:45 am
Brett,
Actually I have met Mike.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:46 am
Metro,
You are certainly correct that the markets you name are the largest online markets. The markets referred to in the article linked are the books in Las Vegas and London which tend to run substantially more volume than you describe.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:47 am
25, and I supposed you still thought low of him? or think he is a liar? (Those might not be your words, and if I offend, i apologize) What was your impression? I have been friends with people that worked for him for 10 years. people that know his character. people that have dinner with him – he is a decent man – he is not the hate filled monger that most posters on Race42008 make him out to be.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:47 am
My apology for bolding . It should have been only the word online.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:48 am
Irish Right, that’s simply not true. Would you care to cite some research on dollars traded on a Vegas or London political market?
December 24th, 2007 at 1:50 am
#30, thanks for the civil discourse – I will not try to sway you (I know I can not) I do hope (if he gets the nod) that you and I can talk and go over some of these things that might help you to see the other side of the story. have a good night.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:52 am
Brett,
It was brief, at the MI debates in the spin room. I thought he was a nice guy. Unfortunately, my biggest concern of any candidate is graft, and I just think he is too steeped in it. If he isn’t, then he sure is extremely sloppy in his dealings. Neither of which bode well.
He just has way too long of a list of coverups, missing computers, unreported income, paroles based on religous tests, all sorts of things.
It’s nothing against any huck supporter, just Huck himself.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:52 am
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601093&refer=home&sid=aFR9qpBWkDy0
“Bookmakers in Las Vegas aren’t allowed to offer odds on political contests for fear that it would corrupt the electoral process. But bookies elsewhere tend to frame political betting markets around their own personal interests, not the most likely outcome.”
December 24th, 2007 at 1:53 am
I think what is most unfortunate is that this has become an issue the night before Christmas Eve. Instead of reflecting on the birth of Christ that will be celebrated by millions of Christians in the country, I am up late thinking about why in the world Mike Huckabee felt compelled to stand side-by-side with a man who has made a living by trying to divide the Body of Christ.
So on that note, I am headed to bed, and will say a prayer for Mike Huckabee that Christ will change his heart this Christmas and he will stop playing political games with religion in order to gain votes. We are supposed to conquer for Christ, not use Christ to conqeur for ourselves.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:54 am
Good night Billy.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:57 am
Irish Right, are you listening???
Vegas bookies are not ALLOWED to set political odds! Is #32 not showing up on your screen?
December 24th, 2007 at 1:57 am
Metro, I was referring to the volume through Vegas and London bookmakers. Are you suggesting that they lose their abilities when they set odds on a political race as opposed to, say football or soccer? I would venture to say that, since that is how they make their living, they have a better idea about setting odds.
I’m not suggesting that Intrade is worthless. We’re talking apples and oranges, here. Intrade isn’t meant to be anything more than a snapshot of a single point in time, not a projection of the future.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:58 am
#35 was a response to #36… the order is being screwed up on here again.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:01 am
Once again, instance #632 of how Romney supporters make up facts, pulling sh*t out of their asses.
And they lecture us on character.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:01 am
Metro,
Calm down. I am not attacking your precious Intrade. I just posted it for what it’s worth. Geesh. The article states, “Looking at bookmakers in Las Vegas and London”. Just pointing out another view, albeit different from yours.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:02 am
Billy,
I agree Huckabee is using Christ in a most disgusting way. I have little respect for a man that uses Christ’s name to make himself wealthy and to gain power, and that’s exactly what Huckabee has done.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:04 am
Is it hard to get a minyan in Alaska?–right now I’m teaching in Victoria, BC, and the only orthodox shul, other than the Chabad House, can almost never get a minyan together. It’s really irritating on holy days. And keeping kosher is a pain too. We’ve almost given up on red meat except for what we can smuggle in from Seattle. Canadian kosher meat–what we can get in Vancouver–sucks. When my son was born we had to fly a mohel in from Portland.
What do I like about Gov. Mike Huckabee? He first caught my attention at the Value Voters Summit when he blew all the other candidates out of the water with his oratory. Later, when his wildly under-funded, largely un-organized campaign began running circles around the Romneys I began to study the man and his message. Yes, like McCain, he’s a populist, and I tend not to be, but the party is skewing more populist–less and less rich and upper middle class, more and more working class people and working class concerns. More and more I am beginning to question whether this is a bad thing.
Does Gov. Huckabee wear his cross on his sleeve–yes–but so what?–I wear a kippah and tzitzit. But here is what really impresses me: his moral courage. Take the pardons issue. When the Romneys tried to smear Gov. Huckabee on the pardons issue, Gov. Huckabee on the stump walked his audiences through his reasoning–he did not try to spin, he did not try to deny, and he did not try to cover over the sad results of some of his decisions. Can you imagine Romney ever doing that? Neither can I.
Anyway, whatever. This is a far, far better race with Gov. Mike Huckabee in it.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:04 am
AND YOU WENT ON TO ASSERT THE VOLUME WAS MUCH LARGER.
When in fact you have no source for it. After I challenged you on that you re-asserted it AGAIN. After I showed you it was IMPOSSIBLE/ILLEGAL for Vegas bookies to set political odds!!!
The article had no source for the oddsmaker! I pointed THAT out. And you re-asserted it twice more.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:04 am
RE: All Metro posts today.
Sounds like someone didn’t get kissed under the mistletoe!!
What’s wrong Metro?? Your posts sound pi**ed off for this cheerful time of year. Merry Chritmas pal!
Cheer up!
December 24th, 2007 at 2:10 am
Billy, you’re clearly spinning here.
There’s a difference between “Catholics” and the “Catholic church,” isn’t there?
This is like calling Mormons prior to 1978 “racists” because the Mormon church had an arguably racist policy of not admitting blacks into the priesthood. Some Mormons may have been racist, but I suspect they would have been in the minority. I’m sure a Mormon could back me up on that.
Do you deny that there was a certain amount of collaberation between the Catholic Church and Hitler in Germany?
At any rate, this is the popular guilt by association fallacy. You should probably quote Huckabee or his campaign to criticize the candidate.
As for the Pope being the anti-Christ, well, that’s pretty darn nutty! If this guy truly is a bigot, however, Huckabee is pretty foolish to find himself associated with him. “Bigot” is an epithet that should not be thrown out lightly, however.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:11 am
Metro,
Shut the hell up with your intrade crap, b/c that’s what it is Crap, just like your pathetic candidates chances of winning the nomination b/c he has the worse strategy ever in a political campaign!!
December 24th, 2007 at 2:11 am
Jared,
Yea Metro got kissed alright………from his Mother!!!!
Ha Ha!
December 24th, 2007 at 2:15 am
Civic. . .the Jewish population in Anchorage is bigger than I expected, but Kosher food is not at all easy to find. Most who care are simply vegetarians. I can get mine at an organic food store, the only store selling Kosher poultry and meat in all of Alaska.
I am actually a Romney fan. I grew up in the bible belt section of southern Pennsylvania, where “Christ and guns” gets you elected. Huck is exactly what I don’t like about the GOP. I’m against any politician making or carrying out policy based on their religion as opposed to based on what’s good for society and the people he represents. The pardons issue is just one of those examples which make me like Huck less. I am a strong believer in personal morality, but I’m also a strong believer in religion-free politics. Romney, I believe, meets both of those criteria.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:15 am
#45 – re-read my post for Metro, and insert your name. Then go out side . . . breathe deeply . . . and calm down a notch or 10. I think Intrade is just fine for what it is. An indicator of where the money is going at that moment in time. A little word of advice Bryan . . . lobbing insults at people because you disagree with them, doesn’t make you sound smarter or prove your point to them. It only makes you look like a fool. Cheer up!
December 24th, 2007 at 2:16 am
Metro,
Do they have Valium in your area?
December 24th, 2007 at 2:17 am
Irish Right, I just proved you are intellectually dishonest (AGAIN). And now all you can try to do is laugh it off.
The objective reader will draw the appropriate conclusion.
And you folks lecture us about character. The gall.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:18 am
Jared,
Why dont you go Blow your F-In neighbor for me pal! You dont know what the Hell you talkin about!
December 24th, 2007 at 2:18 am
#50 –
. . . or not.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:18 am
Bryan,
Not appropriate.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:19 am
Two points on a graph is not enough to discern a pattern and develop an equation to describe it. Two examples, the most recent a shaky one IMHO, does not a pattern make. If there’s a pattern, please support your assertion with little more evidence.
I’ve eaten teriyaki shrimp twice in my life. I don’t think that constitutes a pattern of behavior. Me eating shrimp of any kind is actually a freak occurence.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:19 am
51 – whoa – slow down and take a breather -
December 24th, 2007 at 2:20 am
Gah, the post numbers are getting screwed up again. #52 was meant for #51.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:22 am
Well alot of posts on here are not appropriate, especially when you get attacked just for disagreeing with someone.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:22 am
Bryan,
You prove my point with the whole insulting others thing. You have now completely associated youself with irrational posting, and if it doesn’t get you banned, will definitely get you ignored. I still maintain my advice to you . . Cheer up!
December 24th, 2007 at 2:22 am
Jason et al, look, there is every reason to get mad when you Rombots engage in intellectual dishonesty, over and over. When you lecture us on character.
The f’ing hubris! First, make up lies out of whole cloth. Then laugh it off. Then chastise those in the right for getting mad.
Do they teach you NOTHING at that church?
December 24th, 2007 at 2:23 am
Anybody have any Ritalin for these guys? Wow
December 24th, 2007 at 2:24 am
Metro,
You lie all the time. You manipulate, you distort. I have no interest in getting into some argument where you distort my words, put words in my mouth piously then claim objectivity. It’s an old song, and your only song.
So with that, I say, take a valium.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:25 am
#59 – “Do they teach you NOTHING at that church?”
Which church might “that” church be? Would it be “that” church over there on “that” corner? Or, does your use of the word “that” have a more sinister meaning like, “that” Mormon church? Please do clarify.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:26 am
Jason, this thread speaks for itself with regard to Irish Right. And it’s only the latest in a long chain with you folks.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:27 am
Psychout. . .I think Billy explained it pretty well, and I don’t care to repeat everything. Suffice it to say, the association with the anti-Catholic minister, the subliminal cross in the Xmas ad, the anti-Mormon comments, the “I’m a Christian” ads in Iowa (but not New Hampshire), the “I have a theology degree” misstatement, etc. Huck pushes religion more than all candidates combined (and not in a good, tolerant, “can’t we all just get along” kind of way), yet laughably complains that he’s “attacked” more than others for his religious background.
Funny thing is, that’s not even the worst of why I don’t like him. It’s his poor tax policies, his pardons, his outrageous spending plans. . .I don’t like his religious divisions, but I REALLY don’t like his politics.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:28 am
Seriously, if they teach you anything at church, you can apologize for making up sh*t out of whole cloth, and then for not immediately acknowledging it and for making fun of me instead.
Go ahead. Let’s see some moral character.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:29 am
Bob Jones is part of the Romney Campaign. So Jason how come you can stand him? Is he not a bigot by association? I don’t understand how some of you claim there is a pattern here, there is no pattern and Hagee has said that he is not against the Catholic Church. I think that because your guys have nothing to offer in the way of leadership that you all go on the attack of the one who people are starting to rally behind.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:30 am
Alaska Jake,
Awesomely said!! I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:31 am
#65 – Was that at me Metro? I don’t recall “making” anything up out of even half cloth. I just posted a link to an article, and clarified the post using FWIW (For What It’s Worth) While I would be glad to engage you in a conversation about what my church has taught me, I hardly think this is the website for it, and I don’t think (I may be wrong) you would even care to know.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:32 am
#67. . .Thanks. The thing is, anytime someone disagrees with Huck’s politics, they get blasted with some kind of anti-religious thing. I find his politics to be so anti-Conservative and far from what the GOP should be promoting. His religious statements and associations, as much as I find fault with them, are secondary to me.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:33 am
Metro,
Here is what my church teaches me regarding this thread. Avoid gambling!
Just trying to lighten things up a bit. geesh.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:35 am
Jared, no, Irish Right, and the crap he made up about the volume being bigger, at these unnamed and nonexistent Vegas bookies.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:35 am
Alaska
Exactly, everybody talks about his religion, but his politics are what concern me. This guy is a Democrat dressed in sheeps clothing. I just wish more people would focus on his politics or lack thereof and not his dang religion.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:36 am
James,
With Bob Jones the point to be drawn was that Romney and Jones could see past deep theological differences for a common political goal.
Huckabee is using these deep differences to achieve a political goal. Big difference.
I don’t think I have ever on this sitr or any other said it’s morally wrong to have bad opinions of Mormonism. I have only said it’s wrong to use it as a wedge issue.
Anyway, gotta go to bed.
Metro,
Take your chill pill before you go to bed. It’s late there.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:40 am
#71 – Oh
Regarding Billy’s comments above. I think the bigger issue, for me at least, is the $25,000 he received for speaking there (or will allegedly receive) Isn’t that just a way to avoid campaign contribution limits, and wouldn’t that put at risk the church’s non-profit status? As I was reading the link, that question popped out at me, and then the thoughtat how convenient it might be for Huckabee to avoid the whole campaign contribution limits thing by writing it off as a speaking fee tied to his background as a minister. Interesting to say the least. Is he the only candidate that is gettin paid like this while on the campaign trail for giving speeches? (honest question)
December 24th, 2007 at 2:40 am
Here is an e-mail that I sent to Mike Huckabee after the Jesus/Satan Brothers fiasco:
Governor Huckabee,
Around the time that the “huckaboom†started, I, like the rest of the country turned around and took notice. I looked at what you had to say, and I liked you. I subscribed to your email list and added your blog posts to my RSS reader.
Then the Mormon comments started.
I am a Mormon. I am a Christian. You may think what you will of the tenets of my faith, but I will challenge you to put up any 20 faithful Baptists with any 20 faithful Mormons and look at how they live their lives. Both groups will be kind, caring, devoted, Christlike individuals. Both groups will profess a strong and profound faith in Jesus Christ. Though we may disagree on the exact character traits of Christ, though we may disagree on individual doctrines and practices, you will be hard pressed to find any group of people who do more to exemplify the teachings of the Christ than members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And after all, wasn’t that Christ’s message? (please see Matthew 7:22-23).
If you have any questions about what Mormonism is all about, please go and talk to a Mormon or two. Chances are you already know some. Chances are you have some working in your campaign.
If you are so closed-minded that you are not willing to look beyond what rumors and exaggerations you have heard, then I feel obligated to be so closed-minded as to withdraw my support for you as a serious political candidate. I want a President who supports all people, not just his niche audience, and you, sir, have not proven yourself to be that kind of man.
I urge you to take a moment to consider what Jesus would do. I am willing to accept an apology.
With concern and disappointment,
Braden Ellis
A former supporter
If you care to respond to this and want me to see it, you will have to email me at pererau@gmail.com
Please don’t spam.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:41 am
I don’t see that at all. He may wear his faith on his sleeve, but he’s not attacking or excluding people of other or no faiths, as far as I have been able to discern.
“Pushing religion?” Do you mean evangelizing? Telling people to become Baptists? I haven’t heard him say that.
Maybe I’m not seeing it because I’m not vigorously behind any particular candidate, or maybe you’re seeing things that aren’t there or magnifying them do to your dislike of the guy.
I didn’t even notice the “cross” in that commercial. LOL!
December 24th, 2007 at 2:41 am
Regarding the speaking fee. . .How can that not be skirting FEC rules? I would think that once you declare your candidacy, you couldn’t do this sort of thing anymore.
And could you imagine the uproar if Rudy was still accepting speaking fees while running for president???
December 24th, 2007 at 2:43 am
74, that doesn’t go to his campaign, it goes to 12 Steps, Inc. That is a for profit corp that Huckabee has – that is his source of personal income now.
Other candidates can take speaking fees – they choose not to as it might not be the best use of their time.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:45 am
#77 – It could very well be a violation of FEC rules, I am not familiar enough with the rules to know whether or not it is or isn’t, but I would say it would definitely be worth looking into for another campaign. I know I would try and figure out if Huckabee was trying to “bend the rules”. Based on what I have read about Huckabe, it would be well within his character to do this type of crap. He makes me more and more frustrated with every new scandal that arises.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:45 am
That’s actually a pretty valid point. Bob Jones III
Hmmm, this doesn’t sound much different than the Pastor being criticized in this post. But I don’t think Romney’s a religious bigot. Not at all. He’s okay with people as long as they’re religious, at least that’s the impression I got from his big speech on faith.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:47 am
Even though this is from the NYT this article scared the hell out of me just now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/22/us/politics/22huckabee.html?_r=1&ei=5088&en=f3ebcaec8f4075d4&ex=1356066000&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
This guy is a walking disaster in the generals. Is there anyone out there who thinks he could survive the plethora of attacks that would be launched in Sept and Oct? Even if half of this stuff is true I wouldn’t vote for him in a million years.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:48 am
#76. . .When I said “pushing religion” I meant bringing it to the forefront of his campaign. I’m fine with a candidate being proud of his religious faith and living his life by that faith’s tenets. But when he uses that religion in a divisive way – his anti-Mormon comments are a prime example – that’s when the trouble begins. Airing “I’m a Christian” ads in Iowa (where it plays well to a particular religious segment of the voters) but not in New Hapshire (where it would turn off the more secular voting ppulation) is another great example of using religion for political gain. I just don’t like that kind of politics.
I like how Romney handles his religion. He is proud of it, lives his life based on his faith, but doesn’t treat non-Mormons with disrespect and never used his religion in any political ways.
The cross in Huck’s Xmas commercials – I noticed it immediately, but I figured that’s because I worked in TV creating advertising for so long that I seem to always catch those hidden images. But then they were talking about it on Foxnews and other places and I realized it wasn’t just me noticing it.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:49 am
#78 – I see your point, I just think it is “convenient” that the money he gets from speaking goes into a for profit organization that he set up and derives his income from. That is money that you know is getting funneled back into his campaign somehow. Is that a violation of the rules? Couldn’t Romney go and charge $100k for talking about business to a group, and then have that pay to a legal for profit company, and then take that money and pump it right back into the campaign?? Gotta love this whole campaing finance reform crap. Sounds like the “Enron” guys of politics that put that piece of legislation together.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:50 am
#81, and yet he won 4 times in AR – with the highest approval ratings in the history of the state. They loved him – dont believe everything you read in the NY Times. AR is a better place because of Huckabee – America will be too.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:52 am
#83 – i agree that there needs to be some reform to the campaign finance – This is a serious question, not an attack – didn’t Mitt give his campaign money already? Would that be the same scenario that you are describing?
December 24th, 2007 at 2:53 am
Maybe, alaska jake, but that’s what this thread is about, isn’t it?
Metro, I don’t understand why you’re getting so bent out of shape over the Intrade thing. Intrade isn’t running for President. And someone comparing it to something else isn’t going to impact your candidate one iota. Isn’t Intrade just a fun passtime (that has nothing to do with the OP)? What’s the big deal?
You have a problem with capitalism and the free market, Jared? Politicians, past and present, are paid all the time to make speeches, often much more than 25K. Who cares?
December 24th, 2007 at 2:55 am
Psycheout. . .I’m not taking anything away from this thread – hell I’ve been participating in it from the beginning. I was just responding to an earlier post by saying that I disagreed with his politics even moreso than his religious divisiveness.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:57 am
Personal income and campaign contributions are two separate things, are they not?
December 24th, 2007 at 2:58 am
Metro,
A couple of small points while you put words in my mouth and then call me intellectually dishonest.
First, nowhere did I try to laugh off your point. You can try to find it, but you won’t be able to.
Second, the reference in the article were to the Las Vegas and London bookmakers. You pointed out that Las Vegas bookmakers can’t take bets on political races. However, London bookmakers can. None of which is terribly important (even though it disproves your argument), because I was arguing that the bookmakers don’t lose the ability to set odds. It’s their livelihood. WHETHER OR NOT THEY MAKE BOOK ON POLITICS IN VEGAS.
Finally, the odds set by bookmakers are not the same thing as Intrade. Intrade is a snapshot at a point in time. It isn’t meant to tell predict the future (until it gets very close to the date in question. Odds on the other hand, are meant to predict the order of finish.
Do us both a favor and have a nice Christmas. Every disagreement with you really isn’t a personal affront.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:59 am
#88. . .That’s my question/concern. Accepting speaking fees, especially from a church, while campaigning for president seems to violate, at the very least, the spirit of the federal campaign laws. But I’m no expert, which is why I was asking.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:02 am
#90 – that is Mike’s income. His personal income. What he does with it will be subject to the same scrutiny as any presidential candidate.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:02 am
Brett,
I’m glad that you are optimistic and I would like to welcome you to the site. I am somewhat familiar with Huckabee’s record in AR and I would support him but I happen to be a conservative, something that he is not.
The country is a lot different than AR and Huckabee has as much of a chance of getting elected as Bubba sr. does. You think that the dumond issue will go away if Huckabee gets the nomination? I assure you they won’t. You think conservatives who care about the war on terror will decide they actually like Mike’s ideas? Nope, guess again. You think ficons like the the club for growth will decide that he is ok??? Ain’t gonna happen. You think the liberals won’t use religion to divide voters? Yeah, they will and even more so because Huckabee is providing all kinds of ammunition that could easily be used to make him look like a bigot. Yep, if he ever gets to the generals all of that is going to be turned into democratic attack ads or 527 attack ads. He has no chance of getting elected nationwide and Mike should realize he isn’t in arKansas anymore.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:02 am
#85 – Yes Mitt did, but I doubt it was money raised while he was on the campaign trail similar to the fees Huckabee is receiving like the one mentioned above. While I wholly support someone earning a fee for speaking, it seems to me that while that person is running for POTUS, that would seem like a conflict of interest to me. It gives me the impression that he is running for POTUS while having a “part-time” job to be able to pay for his campaign. It just sounds fishy to me is all.
Mcon,
I agree with your assessment of the article. Regardless of whether you agree with the NY Times or not, this is EXACTLY what we will be reading if Huck gets the nod, and it will be INCESSANT! The MSM will turn on Huck so fast it will make his head spin, and we will have to listen to Hillary screech out the national anthem for 4 years.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:04 am
I hope the United States doesn’t become like Arkansas then we would really be in trouble.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:05 am
#91. . .I’m sure you’re correct. I’m just asking the question. Seems to me that if Rudy or Mitt continued receiving money for speeches while running, other campaigns would be questioning the legality or ethics of that. I’m simply wondering how giving a speech in a church and receiving payment for that speech doesn’t bring about questions regarding campaign finance laws for both the candidate and the church.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:07 am
The parts of the article Mcon posted which bother me the most are:
“Driven by a religious belief in redemption and questions about the state’s legal system, Mr. Huckabee paid close attention to clemency petitions, former aides said. He insisted on reviewing every single application, though they came in by the hundreds most months.”
AND
““He just doesn’t want to talk to victims’ families,†Elaine Colclasure, co-leader of the Central Arkansas chapter of Parents of Murdered Children, a victims’ advocacy group, said in an interview last week. “He doesn’t want anyone questioning anything he does. And when you do, he bristles. His compassion is for the murderer and any criminal who says he has found Jesus.” Dee McManus Engle, another member of the group, recalled accompanying a murder victim’s widow to a scheduled meeting at the governor’s office. “We stayed there half the day trying to talk with Huckabee,†Ms. Engle said, adding, “It was the most important thing in her life, and she was in tears because she could not get to the governor.†Former aides said that while Mr. Huckabee rarely met with victims or their families, he was never dismissive of their concerns. “I can tell you we listened to victims,†Mr. Cox said. “I mean, it was a no-win situation. The victims, if you granted clemency, it didn’t matter how long you listened to them. It just tore them up.â€
Those sentences tell me that Governor Huckabee would be better suited to go back to his work as a minister, and let God do the forgiving rather than overturning the sentence that a jury of peers determined was suitable.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:10 am
Sounds like Schmuckabee doesn’t understand the difference between Church and State.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:12 am
92, 93 – I understand your concern – and i see your point. I respect your positions and I respectfully disagree that he will get eaten alive. These will come up, yes. Most people that hear Mike latch onto his message. He brings to the table this vertical politicking. he seeks to unite America, not divide it. Most people want genuine change and they will see through the negative campaigning to the heart of the matter. Does he bring America up and not down. Will he seek to unite us? Can I trust him? These are questions that most Americans answer yes too. He has an amazing ability to connect to the average voter. He got nearly 50% of the Black vote – that is huge. He is pulling in independent and conservative democrats even now. As an aside, in MI, the democrats that got squeezed out of their votes in the primaries are able to vote in the GOP primary – watch for them in MI – the polling companies are not polling the democrats for their views on the republican candidates that they might be voting for. This could be huge in MI.
As for Mitt his unfavorables are VERY HIGH. along the lines of hillary – Im afraid that this might be a huge stumbling block to him. I could be wrong.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:12 am
#97 – And a major God complex if you ask me.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:15 am
#98 – I appreciate your view Brett, and can say of all the Huckabee supporters you seem to be the most level-headed of the bunch. You might want to petition Kavon for being the Front-page poster for Huckabee.
I would tune in to your posts.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:16 am
96, AR’s legal system was a mess from the ground up, and keep in mind that everyone has an ax to grind, including Elaine Colclasure. AR had dealt with 100 years of good ole boy justice and there was no confidence in the system on either side of the aisle. Once again I point to his over whelming approval ratings – the citizens of AR knew of the impact Huckabee had on the state’s justice system – they saw their state become more and more safe. They saw the difference in Hucakbee and the Clinton/ Tucker brand of justice.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:18 am
#100, thanks for the kind words. On that note, i bid everyone adieu – I must turn in for the night.
Merry Christmas everyone. (At least Merry Christmas Eve)
December 24th, 2007 at 3:20 am
Regarding Huckabee, I get a sense as I read stories about him, both good and bad, and from seeing him on TV, etc., that if you disagree with him, or attack his stances, he seems to get real vicious. And by vicious, I mean, like nasty vicious. He goes seems to go from this warm and cuddly little puppy, to a pit-bull in 3.2 seconds flat. It seems that he DOES NOT like to be questioned, and while I appreciate people saying he wants to unite, if that in fact is the way he is, he will find that almost IMPOSSIBLE as he will be attacked daily as POTUS.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:20 am
Brett,
Thank you for your thoughts. I respectfully disagree and can only assume that you haven’t been in politics for very long if you believe what you just wrote. Regarding his pull on indies and dems, I would argue that it is only natural for dems to vote for one of their own and that would help explain them voting for Huckabee in Arkansas. Unfortunately, this isn’t arKansas.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:22 am
#103
I agree he seems like a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde, it could be just my opinion but he does seem very vindictive if it’s not going in his favor.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:25 am
Mcon,
Great point of course Democrats would vote for him, because he is one. We just need to wake up Iowa to that fact.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:27 am
104, one last post – I am not in politics – I am in the technology field see My LinkedIn Profile – but I have to hold onto hope that America is bigger than the left v right mentality. We are a great nation made up of great people. we all have incredible ideas that need to be heard. I feel that America is ready to move beyond the left -right politics. We want to promote the greatness of America, not fall back into gridlock. I try not to be cynical – although I might be naive, but I believe in the power of Americans to unite and succeed.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:32 am
Brett #107. . .That sounds great, and I wish it would some day happen that the left and right will unite and promote the greatness of America. But that will never happen. It can’t. There are just too many basic issues where one must choose either one side or the other. Abortion, taxes, gun rights, the war, etc. Too many issues to set aside and join together for the good of the country. I mean, even within our own party we can’t do that. I’m not so sure that’s such a bad thing, really. Open debate on so many important issues is what has allowed America to succeed for so many years as a free republic rather than a one party state. I may disagree with Democrats on 98% of all issues, but I never doubt their love for America. We can all respectfully disagree and still unite for the country. we all just believe in different ways to achieve that end result.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:33 am
Yep you look like a Huckabee supporter! Maybe you should follow his diet plan too.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:36 am
#108, as per your post “I may disagree with Democrats on 98% of all issues, but I never doubt their love for America. We can all respectfully disagree and still unite for the country.” we are on the same page.
Take care and have a Happy Hanukkah.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:39 am
Brett,
I would generally agree with what you said and I would agree that you are naive. Huckabee has a semi fanatical base of support in evangelicals but large swaths of voters would be turned off by the attack ads that would assuredly come if Huckabee were nominated. It isn’t about left v. right. It is about the successful nature of attack ads especially when they have some semblance of truth in them.
Huckabee will appeal to the average voter when he speaks as that is what he was trained to do and he is good at it. Unfortunately, the difference in feelings from listening to Huckabee on one hand and seeing Huckabee on the other is a modern day example of the barren fig tree.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:40 am
John,
be nice.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:41 am
Brett. . .and a Merry Xmas to you. And before we all join virtual hands and start singing Kumbiyah, I must sign off so I can finally call my girlfriend, who unfortunately still lives 5000 miles away from Anchorage and just finished a double shift as an O.R. nurse. Good night guys.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:52 am
The smart money might be in earplug futures.
December 24th, 2007 at 7:23 am
Look what I missed.
I’ve got to ask how is this relevant?
Did Huckabee say “I endorse Hagee’s views?”
You know when Rudy Giuliani was endorsed by Pat Robertson, I didn’t hear people complaining that Rudy was endorsing the view that 9-11 was the fault of homosexuals and abortionists.
Politicians meet with supporters they don’t agree with.
This is just more mock or contrived anger.
December 24th, 2007 at 7:58 am
[...] news day, I guess. Billy Valentine over at Race 4 2008, probably feeling sour grapes over the Brownback vs Huckabee slapfight several months ago and [...]
December 24th, 2007 at 8:00 am
“This is just more mock or contrived anger.”
Ditto that.
Some of Huckabee’s best and brightest bloggers, K Street and Kevin Tracy among them, are Catholic.
If Huckabee runs from his background he alienates evangelicals, if he embraces his natural base he’s a bigot/divider.
December 24th, 2007 at 8:10 am
mac, if Huckabee wins this place is going to be full of conspiracy theories that will make Ron Paul truthers seem sensible. The level of unrestrained Huckabee hatred is really impairing some folks’ judgment.
December 24th, 2007 at 8:22 am
ecg,
“unrestrained Huckabee hatred” pretty much nails it. I’m surprised that this post came from Billy given that Senator Brownback recently remarked his endorsement came down to either Senator McCain or Huckabee, implying that no other candidate was even close to receiving his endorsement.
Billy,
Senator Brownback has obviously let bygones be bygones, why are you stirring this pot?
December 24th, 2007 at 8:30 am
If Huckabee was an attorney or a business executive would he disavow his background and refuse to allow fellow lawyers and businessmen work as grassroots activists for his campaign? Should pastors and “Christian leaders” not be able to act in the same capacity?
December 24th, 2007 at 9:33 am
Do any of you even know if Huckabee took a fee for this visit. I am pretty sure that the first poster of this made it up. But SIR-PRIZE SIR-PRIZE that person is a Romney guy and making things up aren’t new to that camp especially since they started getting beat everywhere but NH. Let’s see if we can detect a pattern here
“I was a life long hunter” wait err, I mean I hunter once
“Yes, I own a gun” no no wait, I mean my son has a gun I saw once
“I marched with MLK” hang on, I didn’t actually walk with him but I was with him in spirit,
” remember watching my father walk with MLK” well time out, by using watch I mean I saw it in my dream
” I got the NRA endorsement” well now don’t get me wrong they didn’t endorse per se but I think they made some phone calls for me.
“I am no Reagan Republican” now that I took a poll, I think Reagan was my hero..
ANd the list goes on and on and on..
Maybe there are some reasons other than Mike Huckabee that the campaign for Romney has some issues, but for the life of me I just can’t seem to figure out what they may be.
December 24th, 2007 at 9:41 am
121 – James – do you care to ‘explain’ any of the issues raised in this article?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/22/us/politics/22huckabee.html?_r=2&ei=5088&en=f3ebcaec8f4075d4&ex=1356066000&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
December 24th, 2007 at 9:54 am
James, at least Romeny isn’t calling for higher taxes on American workers so he can send illegal aliens on a free ride to college!
December 24th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Seems the NYTimes is highlighting his ability to get things done, even when they are unpopular.
December 24th, 2007 at 10:10 am
124 – Huckabee is now the ‘getting things done’ guy?
“But he is also remembered in the state for a style of governing that tended to freeze out anyone of any party who disagreed with his plans.”
“Though he was considered as persuasive a speechmaker as he had been a pastor, Mr. Huckabee largely kept his own counsel..”
“Republicans in Arkansas, a beleaguered minority, gleefully greeted his ascendancy but wound up embittered, in many cases, over a governor who “sided with liberal Democrats,†as one put it.”
“He sought the electoral defeat of Republicans who opposed him, according to some in the party. ”
“Huckabee didn’t build bridges,†said State Senator Jim Argue Jr., a Democrat and leader in the schools overhaul effort. “If you didn’t agree with him, he attacked you.â€
“The governor appeared to find no conflict between occupying the highest office in the state, and receiving tribute; critics, on the other hand, said the two were directly related, in a way that was unseemly at best.”
“Early in his first term, he was questioned, and eventually sued, for using a state fund meant to operate the governor’s mansion for personal family expenses like pantyhose and meals at Taco Bell and Kentucky Fried Chicken. The suit was eventually dropped, but spending out of the fund was curtailed.”
December 24th, 2007 at 10:30 am
Mitt now leading in the Iowa Election Markets – I know it’s not the sacred Intrade, and it’s definately not Vegas bookies either, but FWIW:
http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_RConv08.cfm
December 24th, 2007 at 10:34 am
I don’t think this is a big deal. I think Huck should be free to speak there without claiming he supports what this guy thinks.
and those jewish people who support him because of this are stupid. have you seen his foreign policy statements regarding iran and the middle east? are you kidding me. This guy would sell out the liberal establishment and blame Israel for everything in a heartbeat.
metro’s little fued about intrade is so ridiculous. what a waste of a thread. nobody cares.
December 24th, 2007 at 10:39 am
124, that is not all it is highlighting. here are a few other things it highlights.
“But he is also remembered in the state for a style of governing that tended to freeze out anyone of any party who disagreed with his plans.”
“He was cited five times by the state ethics commission for financial improprieties, and unapologetically accepted tens of thousands of dollars worth of clothes and other gifts while he was governor.”
“He proclaimed himself a fiscal conservative, but startled legislators with his proposals to raise taxes”
“Republicans in Arkansas, a beleaguered minority, gleefully greeted his ascendancy but wound up embittered, in many cases, over a governor who “sided with liberal Democrats,—
“Huckabee didn’t build bridges,â€
These are just a few of the tasty nuggets of what huck as president would look like, despite his rhetoric, this is what HE DID.
romney haters cite to what he SAID, not what he DID, becuase his record is strong and conservative.
December 24th, 2007 at 10:45 am
Welcome to Mitt Romney’s bizarro world, in which everyone is guilty of his sins. He didn’t support Ronald Reagan. He didn’t support President Bush’s tax cuts. He raised taxes in Massachusetts by $700 million. He knows John McCain is gaining on him so he does what any small varmint gun totin,’ civil rights marching, NRA endorsed fantasy candidate would do: he questions someone else’s credibility. New Hampshire is on to you, Mitt. Give it a rest. It’s Christmas.
December 24th, 2007 at 10:46 am
Rod Dreher over at beliefnet has a pretty good rebuttal to this “controversy:”
And before casting stones, consider this:
Heh, indeed.
December 24th, 2007 at 10:58 am
#130 – The “controversy” here to me isn’t where he spoke, nut whether or not he was paid to speak. That seems to me to fly right in the face of campaign finance reform. FWIW
December 24th, 2007 at 10:58 am
er *but not nut
December 24th, 2007 at 11:01 am
The wheels are coming off the Mittmobile. Even if you look pass his many flip-flops and his stretching of the truth, voters must be concerned about his campaign. For instance, just what is theme of his campaign? He has gone from immigration, to crime, to defending Bush’s foreign policy, to taxes, weaving all over the place. The only consistent theme is that he has been attacking other candidates, often for positions he himself once held. Since there are many here who follow his campaign closely, can someone give a single sentence or even phrase defining Romney’s campaign?
December 24th, 2007 at 11:14 am
As a longtime reader of this site, it is upsetting to see it take the turn from being a Great place for news and candidate updates to a complete Huck Bashing site. Kavon, I am only one man, but I will no longer be visiting this site because of this. I hope that this site gets things turned around before they lose more readers over these dumb Huck conspiracies people love to post.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:33 am
#134 – either you do not, or, more likely, choose not, to see the fact that other candidate (particularly Romney) have had to put up with much more than Huckabee.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Romney people are becoming very desperate. He’s out attcking McCain one day before Christmas. He has been attcking Huckabee because he knows he’s lost Iowa. Iowa caucus voters hate negative and it will show. I would not be suprised if the very few McCain supporters in Iowa throw their support to Huckabee to put him over the top.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Axel G.
How about ~70 pages worth of defining?
There are plenty of people who would love to simply overlook the flaws of their candidates and feign ignorance of their opponents positions; or worse, build up straw men out of their opponents arguments only to knock down with facile statements like: because Romney isn’t a single issue candidate–nobody can understand where he stands on any single issue. Looks like a non-sequiter to me.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:48 am
I’m less worried about the fact that he spoke here, than the fact that he took in $35K to speak at a Nova Nordisk a company that does medical research using human embryos for diabetes research. Huckabee was diagonosed with diabetes.
Huckabee said, “And unlike Senator Thompson, I never took money to lobby from an abortion rights group, and then tried to say I’d forgotten about it and it was just a lawyer representing a client. Lawyers have a right to say no to representing a client when the client is in the abortion business. ”
While this is factually true, Nova Nordisk isn’t an abortion rights group, Huckabee CHOSE to speak to Nova Nordisk for payment totalling $35K. Nova Nordisk uses human embryos for research.
He could have chosen to say NO as he admonished Thompson to do, but he didn’t. He took the money and it wasn’t even a direct part of his job. It was in regards to his book. Huckabee took money from a company that does research on human embryos so that he could peddle his book.
This is a company that harvested embryonic stem cells not just used existing lines and does diabetes research. You can see the finanacial here,
http://bp3.blogger.com/_DUJ_AGzWZVg/R2xKIrVTguI/AAAAAAAAAHo/U5NW9-hSP3U/s1600-h/NOVO+21.BMP
and the description of Nova Nordisk from their website.
“Novo Nordisk supports a legislative framework around the use of human embryonic stem cells that adequately protects the human embryo and at the same time secures that the knowledge obtained can be used to help patients with serious diseases such as diabetes.”
After calling Thompson out for his lobbying what is Huckabee’s response to this? Can someone please make some noise and help answer this question? There’s a lot of Catholic’s in the Michigan area who would be interested to know if Huckabee not only speaks at churches like this one in San Antoniono, but is willing to speak at companies who destroy life just to find a cure for diabetes.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:50 am
EGS,
How can you be a graduate of the study of economics and support Mike Huckabee? I guess you think that he will lower taxes and be capable of taking care of the economy more than Romney. I miss the good old days when you were talking more about Romney than Huck. Well, look forward to chatting with you about the outcome Jan 3rd, who knows what will happen.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:52 am
#137
it seems like many of the Rombots here simply overlook the flaws of Mitt – but are always eager to point them out in any candidate that threatens Mitt’s lead.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:57 am
I don’t think 70 pages qualifies as a campaign theme, at least not to any successful campaign.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:58 am
I enjoy the diversity of this site and I will continue coming back. In the search for information I do find the contrasting authors and comments useful. I also find humor in the comments.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:59 am
The anti-huckabee drive continues on Race42008……Maybe you should rename this website “Anybody but Huckabee!”
December 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pm
As a Romney supporter, I really think this issue is much-ado-about-nothing. I live in San Antonio, TX. I’ve always been impressed by the work John Hagee has done, and I’ve driven past his mega-church dozens of times (even though I disagree with him theologically). He is one of the greatest evangelical interfaith defenders of the Jews that I know of, and just as Pope John Paul himself admitted that the Catholic Church could have done more to defend their Jewish brothers, we can’t deny that there was some wrong-doing which the Catholic Church has really tried to rectify. This is all part of historical fact, and I think John Hagee has acknoledged both the guilt of members of the Catholic Church as well as their efforts to make restitution.
Also, as a Mormon, I know religious bigotry when I see it, and John Hagee’s theological differences with Catholics (whom I respect) don’t seem to be bigoted, just like Bob Jones who has his peculiar beliefs, but won’t allow those beliefs to move outside of the theological or religions sphere into the public sphere–respecting the right of others to hold peculiar beliefs without punishing them in the public sphere.
The only issue would be the $25,000 that Huck would receive. He should obey the laws just like everybody else.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
“it seems like many of the Rombots here simply overlook the flaws of Mitt – but are always eager to point them out in any candidate that threatens Mitt’s lead.”
If you are trying to claim Romney supports hold a monoploy on that, you are a fool.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
As an evangelical Christian the most disturbing thing about Huckabee (other than the fact that he is a pro-life liberal) is his desire to bring back the nation to Christ.
The Jewish people supporting Huckabee should also be concerned about this, as well as anyone that loves the freedom in America to openly practice their faith in America.
Read this disturbing article from the Cato Institute and let me know what you think:
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/12/20/follow-huckabees-money/
I think this man from Hope is very dangerous – much more dangerous as the first man from Hope.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Axel:
Oh, you want a snazzy jingo or slogan? Sorry, Romney isn’t for you. He’s the thinking man’s candidate, not the cliff-notes version that would be more palatable to the the illiterate youtubers.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
#142 – ben – I believe that the entire conservative movement is concerned about the rise of Huckabee.
Why?
Because he is not a true conservative. Yes, he’s conservative on the social issues, but that’s all. In all other areas he very liberal.
Conservative Republicans voting for Huckabee because he’s pro-life is like Liberal Democrats voting for Ron Paul because he’s anti-war.
Besides, the Democrats would love to have Huckabee as the GOP nominee – because they know he would be so easy for any of the Dems to beat.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
#144 – you have to admit there are some Rombots here that are very aggressive and down right offensive in their posts.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Beth, good article grab. Creepier and creepier. Huck needs to be stopped. I’m glad Rushbo and the rest of the Conservative establishment are with us on this one.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
#148
Just the same you have to admit that there are some Hucksters who are religious bigots and have been very offensive.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
That’s the thing about Huckabee though. He’s dividing this party right down the middle. He’s giving people who care more about abortion and other social issues license to completely disregard fiscal conservatism, which is the most dangerous thing in the political world right now for the Republican party.
We have a choice in these upcoming primaries. We can play up to every stereotype the left has put on us, as the party owned by the faux-conservative Evangelicals, or we can unite behind a socially, fiscally, and militarily conservative candidate. Romney or McCain. I know they’ve had their spats, but we cannot afford to have Mike Huckabee surprise again come South Carolina or Michigan. The cost would be too great.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
Ryan and all – check out the list of conservatives who are expressing great reservations and/or downright negativity about Huckabee:
http://www.mymanmitt.com/mitt-romney/2007/12/huck-bust-is-coming.asp
December 24th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Ryan
I agree and I’ve said it before Huckabee is a Democrat in sheep’s clothing. I wish Iowa would wake up and smell the coffee.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
150 – a casual scan of Huckabee blog postings doesn’t take long to confirm this observation.
Also- does anyone find it interesting what the Baptist Press recently found Christian enough to publicize via a six part series during this season of Christmas?
http://www.baptistmessenger.net/story/6B9F41AB84445FC1ED14DA42AB0AD6CE
December 24th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Mike Huckabee represents the future. He represents the middle class. Romney represents the wealthy and McCain represents the past.
If our party is ever going to grow we need to deal with today not act as if today were 1994. We’ve got offer a different platform than we did 14 years ago if we want to ever win.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Here’s a fun little Populist Pop Quiz I found over at Politico. Take the quiz and see how you score:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7542.html
December 24th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
#154 – FCOH – It’s a good thing that Baptists are printing this series.
Now Huckabee will finally be able to get educated on what the Baptists believe the Mormons believe!
December 24th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Ryan:
I really think you have no idea what you are talking about, or just listen to the constant blathering on this site. 11 years of balanced budget as a governor. Support of the fairtax, the flattest tax that there is.
“completely disregarded fiscal conservatism.” Don’t believe the hype. Fiscal conservatism is not about growth at all costs and tax cuts regardless of the outcome. It’s about spending less than you take in, and trying to spend as little as possible. When did the people on this site become the party of no government? Should the governor of Arkansas not rebuild roads if they are badly in disrepair? If he should rebuild them, then should he just run a deficit, or raise taxes to do it? And if he raises taxes to do it (in this case a small sales tax on gasoline), should the people of his state hope that the money was well spent and the project effectively completed?
I have a very hard time understanding the sentiment on this board towards the governor. He didn’t spend outlandishly (even with an overwhelmingly democratic legislature). He spent things on infrastructure, prisons, schools…you know, the kind of things government is supposed to provide. But he still always balanced the budget. I don’t really know what else you want from a governor in terms of fiscal responsibility.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
bethtopaz, I care about people. That’s why I can’t stomach folks who want woman to kill their chidren or people who want to benefit only 1/10 of the population.
I’d rather we focus on treating everyone fairly.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Econ Grad Student – I think you’re in the wrong political party if you want to talk about class wars – go check out the liberal Democrats’ sites – they will be more suited to your world view.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Econ Grad Student
It’s not about classes it’s about conservatism and beating Hillary.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
Beth,
145
Is it “creepy” and “dangerous” when a libertarian candidate addresses or seeks the support libertarian groups like Cato? Cato is no more radical in their cause than the people/groups mentioned in that article. Interesting that as a professed evangelical you’re constantly looking for different ways of smearing/belittling both Huckabee and his supporters.
As an evangelical, you should know that most, if not all, of those people/groups mentioned in the Cato article don’t seek to force or coerce anyone to convert, but to peacefully obey the great commission given to us by Christ himself. Don’t you know that we’ve nearly been driven out of public square by secular humanists and that most of these people/groups are merely trying to preserve a toe hold in the culture for Christians? Don’t you know that secular humanists would like to fine/jail Christians for calling sin by its proper name?
December 24th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Ryan, Huckabee’s support of the FairTax will get him NOWHERE in the general election. Hillary/Obama will use it to create class warfare like we’ve never seen it in this country. That is a big reason why I refuse to support the guy.
December 24th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
I favor policies that benefits our society and its people. Whether the policies are conservative or not matters less than if they are right. That’s part of why I like Huckabee he’s not chained to some ideology.
If you study history you’ll see things like conservativism and liberalism mean different things in different times. There’s no reason to think the ideologues today have it perfect.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
#158 – “Support of the fairtax, the flattest tax that there is.”
Just a little excerpt from an article talking about the Fair Tax, and it’s implications:
“Independent analyses have concluded that the tax would have to be far higher than 23% to maintain the government at current levels — especially if Congress did not eliminate popular tax breaks, such as the mortgage-interest deduction. William G. Gale, a tax expert at the centrist Brookings Institution think tank, estimates that the levy could run as high as 50% — a tax so steep that it would be an invitation to mass tax evasion. It’s a crackpot plan,” said Bruce Bartlett, a conservative economist and former Treasury Department official who is a leading critic of the sales tax. “Anyone who supports it should not be taken seriously.”
Here’s the link:
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/by_frank_james_being_its.html
December 24th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
#158, clearly your definition of fiscal conservatism differs from your chosen candidate’s. During Mike Huckabee’s tenure as Governor, spending increased 65%. The number of Gov’t. workers increased by 20%, and the TAX BURDEN increased 47% on the average middle class Arkansan!! How could this man be for the middle class when he pays for his spending out of their pocket??
December 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Another doosy from Huckabee. Hey I don’t write the stuff. I just direct people to what is being written. Unfortunately, it is Huckabees own words that show him for what he is.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/12/hucko.html
The fact that he is trying to blur the lines of the Republican party, and “change” the party are the things that worry me. Given the fact that he sounds more and more like John Edwards rather than Ronald Reagan.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Brett (#8) It looks like you are a Huckabee supporter. Now, you said “who cares?”. It is not a valid answer to reassure the undecided voters who may consider Huckabee. Can you tell me why we should not care about that. I know very well that Christianity has been rejected in many places — I subscribe to AFA and such. I initially was considering Huckabee. In fact, I defended Rett’s first post against a few attackers. I have tried to learn about each candidate in this race. But here, we have Huckabee going across the line — that this election is about the battle of survival of Christianity. This is pretty much his platform, whether you like it or not. Now, how can you claim that it does not matter that he is enlisting the “Christian soliders” with his sermons to help him win the nomination, and hence, on the way to conquer the Anti-Christs? This is why his doing the sermons greatly concern me. The sooner our government become a religious organization, the sooner we will see the empty catherals that are common in Europe. The country is great because it acknowledges God and recognize every one as their brothers and sisters. It is not great because of a Evangelical principles. Do you see why this matter? Do you see why it give many of us pause to even consider Huckabee for this election. It is not the battle of true faith, it is the battle of our capability to practice faith as we belive to be true.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
I thought this was a positive statement from Joel Osteen regarding Mormons. Maybe there is some hope that the religious divide will come closer soon. Let’s hope so. This religion bashing is tiresome and old.
http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/12/joel_osteen_mit.html
December 24th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
That’s the first glimpse I’ve had of Mr. Osteen outside of hearing about his books. I distrust megachurches but I like his outlook on politics. He knows he doesn’t have a role in it.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
170
“He knows he doesn’t have a role in it.”
Why should a pastor have any less role in politics than a lawyer or a business man? What precludes clergy from participation and leadership in a democracy?
December 24th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
168 – SGS – you said:
“I have tried to learn about each candidate in this race. But here, we have Huckabee going across the line — that this election is about the battle of survival of Christianity. This is pretty much his platform, whether you like it or not.”
econ grad stud Says:
December 24th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
I favor policies that benefits our society and its people. Whether the policies are conservative or not matters less than if they are right. That’s part of why I like Huckabee he’s not chained to some ideology.
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econ grad stud – SGS has answered your claim that “Huckabee – he’s not chained to some ideology.”
Yes, he is. He is chained to the ideology that he is going to bring this nation back to Christ. And he wants to do this via being President of the United States.
If you listen to Huckabee you will see a theme throughout his words, thoughts and speeches – he wants to bring a theocracy to America — and eventually to the world.
Doubt me? Here are the words of an organization he supports and looks to for fundraising:
We affirm that the Bible is not only God’s statements to us regarding religion, salvation, eternity, and righteousness, but also the final measurement and depository of certain fundamental facts of reality and basic principles that God wants all mankind to know in the sphere of law, government, economics, business, education, arts and communication, medicine, psychology, and science. All theories and practices of these spheres of life are only true, right, and realistic to the degree that they agree with the Bible.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/12/20/follow-huckabees-money/
EGS – If you do not see the danger in Huckabee’s ideology, then I am certain you don’t understand the principles that our country was founded upon.
What Huckabee and his “Army of God” want is no different than what Osama bin Laden and his followers want.
Huckabee wants America and the world to be ruled under strict Biblical Law.
Osama wants America and the world to be ruled under strict Islamist Law.
Do your homework. Do your research – and then tell me where I’m wrong.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
MetroRepublican, I will say that you are right in that Intrades is the most reliable indicator, more so than any booking you can get in Las Vegas or elsewhere. Why would it matter who is bigger? As long as your trade is the most reliable, be happy with it. I think you will be safe by staying in this scope. Speaking of accurancy, have you ever answer my questions about how well it foresee the race more than a few days beforehand? I am just curious about its history over a longer period. Thanks!
December 24th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
#171, because a pastor has more influence over a person than a politician could ever hope to have.
December 24th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Supporting the FairTax shows bad, bad judgment on economic issues, not to mention a real lack of ability to look ahead politically (to the general election). Huckabee also showed a real lack of judgment when he decided to criticize Pres. Bush on foreign policy during a primary. I do not trust Huckabee because of his consistent lack of good judgment.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
I don’t thibk this will hurt his campaign that much. He is trying to get different people to vote for him so that he can united all wings of all relgions. He needs as much support has he possibly can by this point.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
174
You’re welcome to your opinions, regardless of there constitutionality. Don’t you think we have some fairly influential lawyers and businessmen involved in politics? Aren’t people influenced by money, personal gain, job opportunity/ promotion? Why shouldn’t clergy have a similar voice?
172
Your assertion is so off the hook it gives me pause to even respond, but I will..where’s the evidence that Huckabee tried to bring a theocracy to Arkansas? The man is criticized by a lot of evangelicals for not properly defending the faith, they think he hasn’t gone nearly far enough and accused him of being a theological liberal. Did you see the recent Novak article?
Billy,
I understand Huckabee isn’t your guy. But as I remarked in 119,
Senator Brownback has obviously let bygones be bygones, why are you stirring this pot?
December 24th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Huckabee supporters, I am asking you to consider this article from a faithful Christian.
I want to continue with my discussion from #168. First, I recognize very clear that there is a battle between the secularists and Christians, especially in the public arena. There are two ways to go around – from top down or from bottom up. If we are honest with what Bible teaches us, we need to work from bottom up, one heart at a time. Even the Founders recognize that top down is a real danger. They called it tyranny, whatsoever form it is. It may be that with one leader, we have a “good” tyranny, but there is no guarantee that we will continue to have the good leaders. History is full of people with good intentions. Should we trust the like of Kennedy and Kerry to resuce our poor people, to uplift those widows and father-less children, to provide for educations and so on? This is what Huckabee is aiming for, to use government to serve those people, as Christ supposedly would have him. That will only result in higher taxes, regardless of his no tax pledge. You cannot have all of those programs with the means to fund them. Or, should we listen to our Founding Fathers, who were among the most educated generation ever, that we can do the most good via local organizations, much more than we can do from national level.
Some of you have argued that he is the most moral person in this race. It may be so, but even Christ, himself the only perfect person to ever walk on earth, did not claim right to govern, even when he is within every right to do so. The time was then not right, nor will it ever be until the Master himself comes in all glory to reign everlastingly. Huckabee is simply a man of limited understandings like all of us. Even if he won’t direct us off the course, there are too many powerful forces at work that would destroy all that is good in this world. We need a man with sounding understanding (hint: look at Huckabee’s foreign affair, among others), with the energy to fight back (look at all of his “hucking up” comments), and with love for this country (again, look at what is important to him, God or country). Are you sure you want the backlashing that is very likely to happen against all Christians if he does try to reform our government into a religion-based government?
As Thomas Payne would say, let us have common sense, and appoint the wise and virtous man to lead this country, and there are a several of them.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
SGS,
178
I agree with some of what you wrote, especially:
“As Thomas Payne would say, let us have common sense, and appoint the wise and virtuous man to lead this country, and there are several of them.”
However, I happen to believe that Mike Huckabee is the most wise and virtuous of the bunch.
December 24th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
I told everyone on this site that there was a below the radar anti-catholic, anti-Italian American bias playing out in this campaign against Mayor Giuliani and many were unaware or mocked the comment as ill-informed. This is just one more instance of it bubbling to the surface.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
BILLY,
WHO IS ROB WASINGER SUPPORTING?
December 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
180
Not guilty as charged.
Many of Huckabee’s closest advisors/staff are Catholic, some are Italian Catholic, many of his best and brightest bloggers are Catholic. Mike Huckabee is not anti-Catholic…and he loves Rudy.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
177
Billy I’m with you. Call it what you will, “stirring the pot” whatever. I was a Senator Brownback supporter, with Gov Huckabee my #2 guy, until the Rev Rude’s anti-Catholic comment about being a recovering Catholic himself. It was the response that we received back from the Huckabee camp that helped me realize what that camp was all about. Since that comment I have converted several people away from the “BIGOT CAMP”. I think Huck really screwed up when he didn’t condemn pastor Rude’s comments, he could have drawn a lot of Roman Catholic Brownback supporters over after the senator dropped out. But that goes into character issues.
I would really like to see some of Hucks sermons, I’m sure there’s a reason that those are not going to come out because he is inline the Pastor Tim Rude. Huck needs to realize that it is the evil one that triies to divide the body of Christ.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
To use the language of the Brownback campaign, this attack on Huckabee is utter “trash.”
Catholics-like myself-will support Huckabee in droves.
Brownback people: your candidate is a great man. But, notwithstanding great efforts from the Billy Valentines of the world, he couldn’t catch on like Huckabee did. Huckabee is the only other social conservative in the race. If you oppose Huckabee, you are letting your feelings about the outcome of the Huckabee-Brownback contest interfere with your values. Don’t let that happen.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
If Brownback had stayed in, perhaps he’d have been a recipient of some of that bump in the polls that resulted in the Huckaboom….
December 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
Huckabee has wrapped politics and religion so close together that he has turned off a lot people that would have supported him had he not run on the religion card.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Psycheout,
I don’t think so.
Brownback had a great message and great supporters but lacked Huckabee’s charisma.
Brownback’s a great man, but he’s not presidential material.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Mnm,
Neither is Huckabee!
December 24th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
John S.,
We’ll see about that my friend. We’ll see.
I will tell you this – social conservatives (including but not limited to Evangelicals and socially conservative Catholics) – are going to be loathe to vote for anyone else in the race. Social conservatives have a visceral distrust for Giuliani, McCain, and Romney. Many Catholics don’t trust Giuliani and further than they can throw him.
December 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
President Huckabee just doesn’t have a presidential sound to it. Also what’s he going to say when he has to make a hard decision. Oh never mind he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. The Presidency isn’t a joke and neither is foreign policy especially during this political climate. We need somebody who takes the Presidency and foreign policy serious. One thing I will give him is he sure did a great job at losing weight, but POTUS he is not.
December 24th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
177, Seperation of church and state is what I’m talking about. A Pastor can vote, can’t he? But hundreds of clergymen are shilling for Huckabee, a former clergyman himself. Don’t you see the connection? Don’t you see how this man and his allies are merely paying lip service to the Constitution?? This is so disheartening!
December 24th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Ryan,
I agree he is using his religion as a wedge to persuade or convince “Christians” to vote for him using the Bible as his platform, not the issues.
December 24th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
191
Apparently your interpretation of the constitution is left leaning and revisionist. The support of clergy for Huckabee or any other candidate is no less constitutional than business and legal professionals supporting Huckabee or any other candidate.
December 24th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Mac,
The thing is there is no separation of church and state with Huckabee and that’s what is scary.
December 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
He’s using Christianity to get elected man. He’s saying ‘look I’m the only real Christian here, so vote for me.’ How does that not violate what Madison referred to as the necessary ‘total seperation of the church from the state’??
December 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
195 – Ryan – you are correct.
Read this article carefully and notice the mind-games that Huckabee is playing on the well-meaning, but naive Christians that are supporting him. Huckabee is the real thing alright — he’s the real Elmer Gantry (sans sex & booze) of the 21st century.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7544.html
Please – read this article and tell me if he is not using God and Jesus and the “miracle” of his surge in the polls as motivation to vote for him.
He’s quite shameless.
December 24th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Beth
I agree quite shameless indeed. The Christian right is quite naive if they are going to follow this guy. We (Republicans) are falling right into the hands of the Democrats by voting for a guy that they know would never have a chance in the general elections.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
mnm,
You are a joke. Catholics voting in droves for Mike Huckabee? Are you kidding? We (Good conservative catholics) have a hard enough time getting Catholics just to vote Republican. If you look at the polling for Catholics, most of them are with Rudy, then McCain and then Fred Thompson. Huckabee is actually just above Alan Keys for the Catholic vote.
Do your research. Wait you don’t believe it that, that is why you are supporting such a dishonest theif like Huckabee.
Let me ask you, was it right for Huckabee to have have all hard drives destroyed a week before he left office and THEN have the tax-payers pay to replace them?
He kind of sounds like another Bush.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Oh and when it comes to actually voting for Huckabee in the general, you can forget about me voting for him. And guess what? Being Pro-life is my most important issue. I am not convinced that he is truly pro-life. In fact I think that Romney is more pro-lif than Huckabee is. At least Romney admits when he is wrong.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Peggy Noonan says it best regarding the whole using Christianity to get elected. The paragraph which sums up my feelings about the guy very well are below:
“I wound up thinking this: That guy is using the cross so I’ll like him. That doesn’t tell me what he thinks of Jesus, but it does tell me what he thinks of me. He thinks I’m dim. He thinks I will associate my savior with his candidacy. Bleh.”
Here’s the link:
http://opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/
December 24th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Huckabee didn’t try to create a theocracy in AR – why do you all suppose he is out to do it now?
also, it is our right and duty to elect Christian Leaders.
“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers…â€
Jon Jay, President of the Continental Congress and first Chief Justice of the SCOTUS
I prefer Huckabee – And a lot of others do too.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Econ Grad Stud,
You asked, “Did huckabee say that he agreed with everything that Pastor Hagee says?”
Actually Huckleberry said that the parishoners should be proud to have such an outstanding Preacher. That Pastor Hagee is one of the best.
Hope that clears some stuff up.
Oh and I know you, and you should finish off student instead of just putting stud, because you aren’t good looking.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Brett,
You aren’t fooling anyone. Just because someone says that they are a christian, doesn’t mean anything. I think that Giuliani is more of a christian than the Huckster. Why? Because at least he is honest. At least he has half the scandal of stealing and theiving and lying.
Being a christian is not about what church you go to, but about how you act.
Just like St. Francis says, “Preach the Gospel at all times, IF NECESSARY, USE WORDS.”
December 24th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Brett
Just because Huckabee says he is a “Christian leader” doesn’t mean that we will believe him. His actions are hardly “Christian”. Have you ever heard the saying their lips draw close to me, but their hearts are far from me. That sums up Huckabee and his candidacy.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
John S.,
I like what you have to say. You sound like a good man.
Terry
December 24th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Terry,
Thank you I appreciate that. I try to be the best person I can be.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:46 pm
Huck’s running on his record: long time Governor and Christian leader. That’s no less constitutional than a candidate running on a record of long time Governor and business leader or long time Senator and military leader.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
Terry, you are a wise man indeed. Great post Billiam.
Anyone who doesn’t realize that this Huckabee is a fake is lying to themselves.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Mac
There is a huge difference he is pandering to the “Christian Right” and not even talking about his lack of experience in foreign policy and releasing rapists and murderers and raising taxes. That’s the huge difference.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
I disagree with you Terry. I doubt you will have a life in politics if you seek such ideals. Tone down the anti-Huckabee crap.
December 24th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
Katie
I agree with you 100%.
December 24th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Well I think that that is funny that you say that if my ideals are such that I won’t have a life in politics. Why? Because Sen. Brownback is those ideals. I mean seriously, those are his ideals and he is pretty successful. Sorry Brian but the truth must come out and Huckabee will suffer.
I wouldn’t call it anti-huckabee crap, I would call it THE TRUTH. That is what it is.
December 24th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
ts,
Great posts. Bryan you lack substance in your posts. Also I am starting to have a lot of doubts about huckabee. I mean he is really shady and I am a catholic. I wish that he would have condemned the statements from Rev. Rude personally.
Huckabee is still my man but I really am starting to distrust him the more that I read about him. Terry do you have anymore info about him that I should know about?
December 24th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Well I know that he took campaign funds and payed for his wife’s clothes for his inaugaration. I also know that he used the funds on Taco bell during a non-election cylcle.
He accepted money from Novo Nordisk, which is one of the biggest Embyronic Stem Cell Research Firms.
He depleted the emergency tax-payer fund for arkansas to pay for hundreds of computer hard drives that he had crushed and destroyed right before he left office.
I have also heard rumors that he vandalized the govenor’s mansion before leaving. I don’t know what he did though.
I am still doing some research on him. I will keep you informed.
December 24th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Hey Terry are you sure he took money from Novo Nordisk, I thought he was Pro-Life?
December 24th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Positive! Go to the caucuscooler.blogspot.com
The entire story is there. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t be able to even sit in the same room with someone who destroyed embryos, let alone meet with them about how they can give me money.
I am telling you that it will all come out that he is a phony.
December 24th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
I am so sick of this guy. Every time I see him on TV I want to puke.
December 24th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
I think we Catholics need to know if Gov. Huckabee has been Saved and in what year?
December 24th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Josh
I agree this guy(Huckabee) makes me sick.
December 24th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
In order to win next November, we absolutely need the three legged stool that either Mitt or Fred provide. Unfortunately, I don’t think fred has the work ethic that we so badly need in our next President. McCain is pretty much a moderate on all three legs of the stool. Huckabee i socially conservative, economically liberal, and extremely weak on foreign policy. How in the heck we could even think about making him our commander in chief is beyond me. Wake up people, and don’t be bull headed!! A vote for Huck is a vote for Hillary Clinton. A vote for Huck will split the republican part beyond repair. We need Romney so badly. He has the skills and intelligence to lead this great nation and make it even greater. I would implore each of you to consider the positions of Mitt Romney,his superior intelligence, his integrity, his resolved to honor his marital vowels and raise a great family. I say to each of you, if a man doesn’t have the honor, commitment, and skills to love and hold his family together, do we really want to make him the most powerful man in the world? Huckabee has his original marriage, but with his ethics problems, his >1000 release of prisoners, his anti-Constitutional intention regarding church and state, his devisiveness, and his inability to ever be elected, we can not let him become the next President. He will divide the party so badly, we’ll lose the election, and probably lose the party forever. Giuliani is relying on Huckabee to keep him alive in Iowa, and McCain to do so in NH. Once that is accomplished, Giuliani will come out hard against him, and try to take Florida. Don’t throw your votes away on Huckabee in Iowa. He’s an absolutely terrible candidate. Mitt Romney will be one of the best Presidents ever.. His credentials are better tha anyone we have had for a very long time. Go Mitt!!!!
December 24th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
Perfectly said Illinois! I agree 100%!
December 25th, 2007 at 9:18 am
#203 TS:
“Oh and I know you, and you should finish off student instead of just putting stud, because you aren’t good looking.”
You know me? You should have said something. I hope I sent you a Christmas card.
December 25th, 2007 at 10:18 am
egs: The R42008 nazi
December 25th, 2007 at 11:04 am
I love you too. Merry Christmas. I hope you enjoy the celebration of Jesus’s birth.