January 3, 2008

Race 4 2008 GOP Iowa Caucuses Open Forum Part II

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393 Responses to “Race 4 2008 GOP Iowa Caucuses Open Forum Part II”

  1. David Says:

    Nobody should ever doubt a Des Moines register poll again – they absolutely NAILED both sides of this election.

  2. Kris Says:

    FYI…. Republican registered voters in NH favored McCain by 8+ points over GWB in 2000. Mitt Romney doesn’t have the hardcore conservative support Bush had in 2000, and remember you have Giuliani, Huckabee, Paul and Thompson in the mix to further split the vote. If Mitt Romney loses New Hampshire; his support in South Carolina and Nevada will be gone. Michigan will be his only hope… he’ll probably have to drop out after Florida.

  3. Swint Says:

    Indeed they did.

  4. Patrick Says:

    McCain is less than 300 votes behind Thompson now….

  5. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    David, yes they did.

  6. Brett Passmore Says:

    McCain takes NH – i guarantee it.

  7. Brian Says:

    Huckabee is getting a nice bounce (for him) in fundraising tonight. Not Ron Pauleseque, but quite healthy.

  8. Kris Says:

    So I don’t buy that McCain will “need” strong support from IND voters in NH.

  9. Tom Says:

    what happened to the Huckabust?

  10. MetroRepublican Says:

    David, so did I…..

    Hoping Matt Miller gives credit to those of us who nearly nailed this. I don’t think anyone here was closer than I was.

  11. Swint Says:

    Kris, your right, if Mitt loses NH, MI is all he’s got. If he goes on to lose that, he is done. This is why, people like Texas Conservative need to relax, and not run to McCain at the first sign of trouble. It is not looking good for Mitt, but he is not dead yet.

  12. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    #6 – I guarantee it, too.

    Rudy’s on TV! :)

  13. Brian Says:

    Fox News has Rudy. Ridiculous. Hizzoner got crushed.

  14. JayPe Says:

    Brett has gaurenteed a NH win, so we can all go home now :)

    But seriously, he is certainly in the box seat. Mitt will have to campaign very well to knock him over.

  15. Ryan Says:

    I think the main reason why Huckabee won is that he’s an evangelical Christian. I mean he has other good qualities but the #1 reason is that he’s evangelical and anybody who says otherwise is full of it. And when you have 60% of voters evangelical tonight, I’m surprised he didn’t win by more to be honest.

  16. steve Says:

    7% is no blow out. especially when 60% of the voters go to the same church as Huck. MItt is still strong in NH and all the early states. This thing is not even close to over. If he loses in NH I will concede but he is far from that now.

    Matthew you are a fence walker and a fair weather fan you should be ashamed of yourself for jumping to McCain so quickly – that goes for tex conservative as well.

  17. RayinNH Says:

    Tonight was not a good night for Gov Romney. Let’s see what happens over the next 5 days leading up to NH.

  18. Patrick Says:

    Well, I think it’s a given that McCain wins NH now. Winning NH, he’ll also win MI and have a great shot in SC. I don’t know who will win NV though.

  19. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    David, so did I….. Hoping Matt Miller gives credit to those of us who nearly nailed this. I don’t think anyone here was closer than I was.

    You did nail it, Metro. Or rather, InTrade did! :)

    The lesson: No one should doubt InTrade.

  20. Texas Conservative Says:

    I’m seeing 72% reporting:

    Mike Huckabee- 32%
    Mitt Romney -25%
    Fred Thompson- 14%
    John McCain -13%
    Ron Paul -10%
    Rudy Giuliani -4%
    Duncan Hunter- 1%
    Tom Tancredo- 1% ?????????????????????

    Kavon, not exactly double digit lead for Huck…

    Not to brag, but my numbers were very close to these…

  21. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    This is seriously disheartening for the Conservative movement.

    Iowans have picked a man who is a tax-raiser, and a supporter of aid to illegal immigrants, and the man who stands most to benefit from it is a man who opposed the tax cuts that turned the economy around, and who supports (or at least did this summer), amnesty for illegal immigrants.

  22. Brett Passmore Says:

    http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/rp_vs_huck_today.html
    Donations are jumping….

  23. Swint Says:

    #6 & 11,

    the odds certainly are in McCain’s favor.

    But that doesn’t mean Mitt should just throw in the towel.

  24. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    Fox News has yet to mention that Rudy was more then doubled up by Ron Paul.

  25. Paul S Says:

    The signs at the state line are being changed to say Welcome to HuckOwa.

  26. JayPe Says:

    What is Rudy doing on TV? He’s at 4% !!

    Perhaps they should interview Ron Paul, he got 10%. But then, if he can’t get to a debate, he probalby can’t get an interview either.

  27. Swint Says:

    Metro,
    you are a very impressive individual, congrats for nailing it.

  28. Abe Says:

    THIS WAS SURE DANG FUN WHILE IT LASTED…..

    I hope I didn’t annoy too many people TOO MUCH…..

    THANKS Everybody for putting up with my enthusiasm…..

    YOU WIN…..I LOSE….

    Congratulations, to the Huckster and to Brett……

  29. Brian Says:

    Most of the Southern states are going to be 40% + evangelical. What we really need to know is how many non-evangelicals went for Huckabee. No one is reporting on that yet, though.

  30. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Kavon, I threw in Pat’s name off the top of my head, because the internet is horribly slow everywhere. I did not want to go and look at the Iowa history. MetroRepublican and the like have claimed often that the candidates who were embraced by the evangelicals often get about 35% of the caucus votes. It looks like that way. Am I mistaken?

  31. Jack Says:

    I was hoping that it would come down “the best man wins” on super tuesday. Now I think it will come down to 2 good men and 1 average guy on super tuesday.

  32. Texas Conservative Says:

    Brett, thanks to the link to the anti-Huck site :P

    BTW, the Rudy ad they mentioned was aired here in Texas earlier…

  33. Swint Says:

    If McCain wins the nom, it will certainly validate that the GOP always nominates the early favorite.

    It’s a shame.

  34. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    I hope I didn’t annoy too many people TOO MUCH…..
    THANKS Everybody for putting up with my enthusiasm…..
    YOU WIN…..I LOSE….
    Congratulations, to the Huckster and to Brett……

    Aw, poor Abe. :(

    You made this site more entertaining over the past month.

  35. Adam Says:

    McCain is only 210 votes behind Thompson with 74 % in.

  36. Swint Says:

    Abe, you too need to hold strong until after Michigan.

  37. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    If McCain gets the nomination, the whole Conservative movement goes to hell in a handbasket.

  38. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Are we still at 72%? Dems has been jumping a point every 5 minutes or so, but we have been stuck that way for a long time now. Any update from TV?

  39. Abe Says:

    TLG,

    My wife is even feeling sorry for me…..(with a smile on my face)

  40. Adam Says:

    ACT,

    I don’t know why you are so negative on McCain. He has an ACU rating of 83. Your guy has been way more wishy washy over the last decade.

  41. Paul S Says:

    Wellll…hello Abe. Kudos to you for showing up. What are you going to change your screen name to so that you can come back as a Huckabee supporter?

  42. MWS Says:

    Romney’s Intrade for NH is down to 20.

  43. Patrick Says:

    ACT,

    Bull. If McCain gets the nomination it will be the pinnacle of the career for a man who will save this country from the direction extremists want to take it.

  44. JayPe Says:

    Swint (#33) most front runners don’t win like this though.

  45. Adam Says:

    Haha. there you go Abe. Play the “sympathy” card. At least you have something to look forward to tonight :-)

    J/k.

  46. Swint Says:

    Actually, that is true with McCain, Rudy, or Huck.

    OK, now I am starting to get ticked off and am turning into a sore loser, so I am hitting the hay.

    Congrats to Huck and McCain…to TLG, Metro, Adam, etc. Enjoy your victory.

  47. Abe Says:

    Paul S,

    No, Sorry, not going to change sides….

    I am still a Romney supporter….

  48. Adam Says:

    Swint,

    Thanks. And to all of the Romnewy supporters that stayed here and kept up with the discussion on what must have been a tough night, you all have character. For real.

  49. Swint Says:

    #44, that’s true, McCain’s comeback is one for the history books. I am astounded…and it was completely media made. good for them.

  50. Abe Says:

    Adam,

    You think I’m kidding……

  51. jaaron Says:

    well, i was a bit off…sad day for the GOP.

  52. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    OMG.

    SEAN HANNITY

    JUST USED

    THE TERM

    HUCK-A-BUST

    ON TV.

    !!!!!

    Abe, you have a consolation prize.

  53. shiggz Says:

    metro why are you celebrating i thought you were a rudy guy?

  54. Paul S Says:

    That’s OK, Abe. There’s still time for you.

  55. JayPe Says:

    Looks like JMac will overhaul FDT. Only 180 behind.

    And what’s with Clinton, she’s 3rd on votes but 2nd on delegates according to USA Today. Very strange.

  56. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    Do you people really trust McCain not to support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants?

  57. Abe Says:

    TLG,

    But why did he use it….(I don’t have cable)

    Wasn’t this MY WORST NIGHTMARE….

    THE ROM-NA-BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  58. Jared Says:

    I think you will see a more concerted effort by Rudy and McCain to quell the Huckabee momentum. Romney is far from dead, but he is hurt badly with this loss. NH will be crucial for Romney to do well in. He will likely get a small headline from WY in the next couple of days. And MI is going to be a big state for him as well. I thought it was notable though, that on the ticker for Foxnews, it kept scrolling, “Iowa’s ability to pick the winner in November . . not so hot” Then it went on to point out, that the winner in Iowa has rarely gone on to win the nomination. Any thoughts there?

  59. MWS Says:

    Abe,

    You’re a good sport.

    :-)

  60. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    steve,

    “Matthew you are a fence walker and a fair weather fan you should be ashamed of yourself for jumping to McCain so quickly – that goes for tex conservative as well.”

    I’m not a “fair weather” fan. I’m simply rabidly opposed to Huckabee. I will be voting for Barack Obama in November if Huckabee is the nominee. I ultimately decided to back Romney (a month ago) in large part because he looked like the person best positioned to stop Huckabee. That no longer seems to be the case. If this race didn’t involve Huckabee; if he wasn’t such a threat to win the nomination, my decision would be significantly easier. But, he is a threat, and that complicates things considerably.

  61. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Shiggz, Metro will celebrate for anyone, as long as it is not Mitt. He hates him even more than he dislikes Huckabee.

  62. LJ Says:

    I. Am. Speechless.

    MSNBC just said that the Democratic turnout is estimated at 212,000! The previous high was 145,000. That’s stunning. No wonder Obama blew everyone away.

    I’m also hearing that Huckabee won twice as many evangelicals as Bush did in 2000. Who would have thought that Huck would win by 9 points?! 9!

  63. Texas Conservative Says:

    Haha Hannity said Huck-a-bust

    And whats with the music at the Edwards HQ… I laughed out loud…

  64. Paul8148 Says:

    By the way it looks like despite the fell of not breaking 90,000 it looks like we there and closing in on a 100,000 voters on the Republican side.

  65. MJ Says:

    McCain will likely take 3rd…this just about ices NH for Romney. I think this thing is now a 3 way race between McCain, Rudy, and Huck.

  66. MetroRepublican Says:

    shiggz, because Rudy needed Huck to win in IA.

  67. Swint Says:

    By the way, Fred could be the real loser, he may not even be in the race in a couple of days.
    I’d rather be Mitt. Alright, good night for real this time.

  68. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    LJ, is that good or bad? With Huckabee winning twice as many evangelicals as Bush did? Won’t it give our party too much of religious tip?

  69. Abe Says:

    Paul S,

    Thanks, but I think you’ll be waiting a long time…….

  70. Paul S Says:

    Huckabee 1
    Limbaugh 0

  71. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    For all of you who defend McCain, do you really trust him not to support legalization for the illegals?

  72. Texas Conservative Says:

    Abe is an incredible sport.

    Good for you Abe.

  73. RayinNH Says:

    Adam,
    Thanks for the compliment. I look forward to next Tuesday night and doing this all over again – but I’ll probably be at the Romney HQ that evening so I won’t get to chat the night away. Tonight sucked for my guy but I’m still holding out hope for NH and the future from there.

  74. MWS Says:

    Tex,

    Hannity can say whatever he wants.

    Huckabee just kicked butt tonight!!!

  75. Adam Says:

    McCain now within 180 of Fred, with 76 percent in…

  76. JA Pruce Says:

    Look out for Fred. He is fired up and his impressive showing this evening means that he is very much in this thing. The age of Frederalisim is on the horizon. “Saddle Me Up!” -Fred Thompson 2007

  77. MWS Says:

    Paul S,

    “Huckabee 1
    Limbaugh 0″

    LOL!!!!

    Amen!

  78. Brian Says:

    I’m a huge Abe fan

  79. Abe Says:

    Texas Conservative,

    It’s called always knowing what you really are…..

    An enthusiastic hack…..

  80. Ben Says:

    John Edwards has no soul.

  81. ATL Says:

    Less then 200 votes separate McCain and Thompson.

  82. Nate Says:

    Quote from ronpaulforums.com is funny

    “Ya know what pisses me off more than anything? What really pisses me off is that the polls were right. The polls were fucking right.

    Internet be damned.”

  83. Adam Says:

    Horrible night for Hillary Clinton…

  84. jack Says:

    Congrats to Huck. He worked his ass off. In credit to Romney he too worked his behind off. But it is very clear tonight that Romney is not able to unite the coalition of economic, social, and foreign policy conservatives he talks so often about. Do the honorable thing Mitt and back a man who can unite that coalition. Drop out Mitt and endorse mccain.

  85. MJ Says:

    Isn’t it strange that nearly 1/4 of precincts still haven’t reported on the GOP side? I wonder where those are located?

  86. Brian Says:

    Impressive showing for Fred? He got beat nearly 3 to 1…..

  87. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    You have to wonder, if Romney does lose the nomination, would he be able to come back in 2016 and try again?

  88. jim Says:

    ACT,

    It’s not that I trust McCain, but just look at what happened this year. There’s not enough votes to pass amnesty or reform or anything immigration related, no matter who the President is. Unless the Congress changes dramatically(unlikely) that won’t change

  89. Patrick Says:

    Fox just had McCain move into 3rd over Thompson on their ticker.

  90. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    Clinton’s only 12 delegates behind Edwards.

    She could pull a last-minute upset for 2nd. Less than .5% behind.

    (Meanwhile, Edwards railing against the evil PROFITS.)

  91. LaJ Says:

    Fox News just showed McCain taking over Thompson…

  92. LJ Says:

    SGS,

    Well, I think that that means that it’s more likely that the conservative establishment swallows its irrational hatred of McCainn and rallies around him in order to stop the Huckaboom.

  93. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Someone here asked about why Clinton won more delegates than Edwards, even when Edwards finishes ahead of Clinton. The democratic side has what they called “superdelegates”. It is the persons whose votes account as much as the caucus delegates. We do not have that on our side, I think.

  94. MWS Says:

    So with Romney’s much lauded GOTV effort, how come he underpolled his RCP average, and Huck out perform?

    RCP:

    Huck 29.7
    Romney 26.7

    Could it be that Huck has the invisible army that doesn’t show up in the polls?

  95. Abe Says:

    Brian # 78,

    YOu can join my “Abe-the-political-hack” FAN CLUB…..

    You can be the sixth member…..

    after my wife and four kids…..(But they HAD to join)

  96. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    Quote from ronpaulforums.com is funny

    “Ya know what pisses me off more than anything? What really pisses me off is that the polls were right. The polls were fucking right.

    Internet be damned.”

    LOL. QUOTE OF THE YEAR SO FAR.

  97. Gary Matthew Miller Says:

    Matthew should not be disparaged for switching horses. Every sane Republican should begin to think strategically at this dark hour.

  98. Patrick Says:

    85,

    I think they’re probably the large urban ones.

  99. Aron Goldman Says:

    78% Reporting

    Huckabee 34%
    Romney 25%
    McCain 14%
    Thompson 13%
    Paul 10%
    Giuliani 4%

    McCain is just 36 votes ahead of Fred.

  100. DaveG Says:

    Has Romney made his concession speech yet?

  101. jim Says:

    If I was McCain, I’d tell the NR and the Limbaugh’s and all the rest of the establishment to kiss you what. It’ll be a hoot watching them all come grovel before him.

  102. jrcutler Says:

    Summary: Those who care about religion a great deal: Huck: 56 percent Romney 11 percent
    I am very disappointed in Iowa for failing to look past their bias – a very high evangelical turnout – I have no idea why :) . I am a very disappointed Rombot – thank goodness for NH – I really will be disappointed if this race narrows down to Huck and Romney and Huck wins – that would simply point out the blindness of the Republican party. I hope that Republicans wake up and show more intelligence than they did tonight.

  103. ATL Says:

    Ok, Mitt lost but Im really hoping Fred comes in third!

  104. Patrick Says:

    DaveG:

    More or less. He was on FOX a little while ago talking about how happy he was with 2nd and how he was looking to NH now.

  105. econ grad stud Says:

    Tonight reminds me of the Beattle’s refrain:
    “Can’t buy me love”

  106. Paul8148 Says:

    Word is most places left are bigger cities, Jefferson Country has not report nothing let which should be good for McCain.

  107. Brian Says:

    Abe- I’m in! Is there a free t-shirt for joining? Coffee mug? Logo eraser?

  108. JayPe Says:

    ACT, Romney is finished if he fails to win the nomination in 2008. For him to successfully come back years later he needs to win office somewhere. Can you imagine him winning MA Senate seat from John Kerry? Or perhaps trying to retake the Governor’s mansion in 2010?

    I can’t see it happening. Now is his hour. Either now or never.

    Its very rare to have more than one bite at the cherry. McCain is an exception, but then he was a Senator throughout. Edwards shows that once you’re out of office its hard to go again.

  109. Paul S Says:

    The conservative establishment better take a hard look in the mirror tonight and get behind Huckabee or they are going to find themselves on the outside looking in.

  110. ATL Says:

    Romney will be addressing his supporters in about 15 minutes as per CSPAN 2.

  111. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Anyone has any picture in their mind of what it is like at Clinton Headquarter right now, that they may want to share?

  112. jim Says:

    I see a new ad:

    Money spent overall:

    Money spent in IA:

    Amount I spent personally:

    Days spent in IA:

    Getting rolled by Mike Huckabee: Priceless

  113. Abe Says:

    I must say this…………..
    ———————————-

    DANG, DANG, DANG, DANG, DANG, DAng, dang, dang, …dang……..dang………Oh well…..

    What’s next………….

  114. LaJ Says:

    Jefferson Co. will be good for McCain b/c that was Brownback territory.

  115. Adam Says:

    “If I was McCain, I’d tell the NR and the Limbaugh’s and all the rest of the establishment to kiss you what. It’ll be a hoot watching them all come grovel before him”

    yes it will. Especially Limbaugh. That fat self important ass clown sabotaged McCain in 2000. It will be a hoot to watch him have to kiss his ass if he wins now, especially after what the Bush team did to him eight years ago.

  116. JayPe Says:

    McCain takes 3rd place!
    And Hillary drops below 30%. Terrible night for her. Iowa has spoken.

  117. Brett Passmore Says:

    Abe your a good sport.

  118. MWS Says:

    Thompson, McCain, Paul and Guiliani were all very close to their RCP averages. Yet Huck scord 5 points higher, and Romney 1-2 points lower. How do you figure? Late deciders? Late switchers? Invisible army?

  119. Brian Says:

    Romney has forgotten that most Americans get bored with 9 innings of baseball- the thought of 50 innings makes everyone sick- someone get Mittens a new illustration please..

  120. Abe Says:

    Brian, Brian, Brian…..

    NO COFFEE MUGS……

    Hot Chocolate mugs…………

  121. Paul S Says:

    Romney needs to just retire and enjoy whats left of his fortune.

  122. Paul8148 Says:

    Also Dubquoe where McCain running second has about 46% Still out.

  123. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Paul HUCKABEE IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE – PERIOD! Sorry, we will never get behind him. We will get behind Rudy, McCain or even Ron before we do with him. Why cannot you get it in your heads that not one conservative pundit has come out for him?

  124. Abe Says:

    Brett,

    THANKS, CONGRATS to YOU and YOUR GUY!!!!!!!!!!!

  125. MWS Says:

    Abe,

    “What’s next………….”

    I think the Orange Bowl is still on…..

  126. Erik Says:

    Adam I wouldn’t count on Limbaugh to grovel to McCain. Not happening.

  127. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    #108, and that is what worries me.

    Looking ahead, I don’t see a candidate who we could run in the future who is the kind of executive genius that romney is.

  128. ATL Says:

    SGS – Hillary is on cspan as we speak.

  129. Brian Says:

    Hillary now spinning her third place finish….

  130. Dskinner Says:

    McCain is in 3rd. What an awful night for conservatives.

  131. JA Pruce Says:

    I think that the lesson this evening is never underestimate the omnipotence of Chuck Norris.

  132. Erik Says:

    #130 agreed!

  133. Texas Conservative Says:

    Look at Bill winking at the blonde bimbo in the front row…

  134. JayPe Says:

    38% for Obama, 30% Edwards, 29% Clinton.

    Obama’s support just keeps climbing. Is he favorite with InTrade for the nomination yet?

  135. Paul S Says:

    SGSFwhaterver,

    When are you going to get it through your head that this is a new day. The social conservatives have risen up and they are going to re-make the GOP for many cycles to come. Huckabee is going to rebuild the party. As he says, we are going to turn it “rightside up.” Its our turn. You can get back in line and wait for your turn again, or you can go chase one losing candidate after another and then go join the Green party. Its up to you.

  136. Abe Says:

    MWS,

    I’ve got better stuff planned, once the kids are in bed………….

  137. shiggz Says:

    Jim you idiot, have you looked at all at the condition for house and senate races republicans are very vulnerable! Dems have almost know seats up for relection, the next election will give the democrats a larger majority the question is how much.

    amnesty will happen 09 unless a republican president stops it,

  138. Patrick Says:

    130,

    Not quite. Obviously, conservatives are speaking and they will say that they want JOHN MCCAIN!

  139. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    omg! McCain in 3rd!

  140. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    ATL, Bill on screen with Hillary?

  141. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    so we are just supposed to sit back and watch McCain legalize 20 million people with no education and no skill?

  142. Paul S Says:

    OK, I’m tired. I’ve had enough gloating until South Carolina. See you later. G-night.

    :)

  143. Abe Says:

    What are the #s now……

  144. DaveG Says:

    Hillary is making her concession speech on MSNBC. She’s joined by Bill and Albright and all of her henchmen. It’s like watching a motley group of supervillains, such as the Legion of Doom or the evil forces of Skeletor!

    (No, I am not drunk. Yet.)

  145. Ben Says:

    An observation on the Dems side, the latest poll in NH has Clinton at +16 but Intrade has Obama at 70. Is it his to lose, and why isn’t Mike Huckabee a similar jump in the Intrade?

  146. steve Says:

    138 – why do you keep touting McCain. He came in 3rd or 4th in Iowa he is tied in NH and beyond that he has nothing in the polls not to mention no money.

  147. PnGrata Says:

    Interesting map of candidate distribution:

    http://www.iowagop.net/

  148. Michael Reichard Says:

    Ben, Mike was at 11 earlier.

  149. Abe Says:

    But He-Man (Romney) can still use the Powers of GreySkull…..

  150. jim Says:

    shiggz,

    if that happens and it’s really that bad, it won’t matter who the President is, the veto will be overridden.

  151. bethtopaz Says:

    #143 – Abe – Huckabee is ahead. Whassup?!

  152. E Dogg Says:

    Huckabee 34%
    +
    McCain 14%
    =========
    48%

    Are we done demagoguing illegal immigration now?

  153. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    Bill is within three feet of Hillary.

    This is what’s known as an “intimate moment” for those two.

  154. Brian Says:

    34-25-13-13

  155. econ grad stud Says:

    DaveG, Albright reminds me of Skeletor too.

  156. ATL Says:

    140 / 151 – He did not look comfortable there.

  157. Dskinner Says:

    I really hope McCain bombs in the debates this weekend.

    Romney is going to come out swinging on immigration and tax cuts. That is definitely get McCain upset and hopefully is will set off his temper. These two debates will probably decide who wins the nomination. If McCain can sound like a credible conservative then he will win the nomination, if Romney can sound like the better leader then he will have a chance in NH and MI.

    What an awful thought that I may have to choose between McCain and Huckabee.

  158. Abe Says:

    Beth,

    I was wrong……what can you say…………

  159. MWS Says:

    Abe,

    “I’ve got better stuff planned, once the kids are in bed………….”

    ;-D

    You’ve been such a good sport, I personally exempt you from all of my taunting and gloating tonight.

  160. hawthr Says:

    I would like to say congrats to Gov. Huckabee. I’ve been waiting for this day since last January.

  161. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    What an awful thought that I may have to choose between McCain and Huckabee.

    You don’t have to.

    A third option awaits you at his bastion in Florida.

  162. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    when is the debate?

  163. Abe Says:

    I’m surprised how little gloating there has been actually…….

  164. Ben Says:

    147, well in NH Huckabee is now at 4, so i guess that’s not a good sign.

  165. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Paul, you just insulted your fellowman! I too am a social conservative. I have fought in defense of Huckabee for many months on this site, when he was virtually unknown. Then soon after his surge, we were able to have a better look at his record, and unfortunately, he is for using the NATIONAL GOVERNMENT to solve our problems, rather than to delegate more power to state and the people where it belongs. That has me going out of the door in a flash. NOTHING GOOD WILL EVER COME OUT OF THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT – PERIOD. We will see more people in proverty; we will see more people without healthcares; we will see more broken families; we will see less educational choices. Sorry, Huckabee wants a bigger government, and that is why he is the wrong guy for this job.

  166. Aron Goldman Says:

    My predictions from earlier tonight are in parentheses.

    Democrats – 97% Reporting

    Barack Obama 38% (40%)
    John Edwards 30% (29%)
    Hillary Clinton 29% (31%)

    Republicans – 78% Reporting

    Mike Huckabee 34% (32%)
    Mitt Romney 25% (29%)
    John McCain 14% (13%)
    Fred Thompson 13% (11%)
    Ron Paul 10% (8%)
    Rudy Giuliani 4% (6%)
    Duncan Hunter 1%

  167. Michael Reichard Says:

    Dodd dropped out.

  168. Patrick Says:

    Apparently Dodd has dropped out on the Dem side….

  169. Texas Conservative Says:

    Chris Dodd……. OUT!!!!

  170. Brian Says:

    I live in South Florida, and I can tell you there is not as much enthusiasm for Rudy here as his supporters would wish for…

  171. MetroRepublican Says:

    My predictions were:

    Huck 32
    Mitt 25
    Fred 14
    JMac 12
    Paul 10
    Rudy 5
    Hunt 1
    Keye 1

  172. jim Says:

    maybe Mitt can go back to NE with him

  173. JayPe Says:

    TLG (#161) that is assuming the race lasts that long. If it does, and Rudy wins, full credit to him. But I can’t see it happening.

    We’ve seen Mitt written off after one loss. We’ve seen most bloggers talk of a McCain vs Huckabee race. That is how important momentum is.

    Ironically, Rudy supporters should be backing Mitt for NH. Because if McCain wins he could well lock up the nomination with a big win in Michigan, before rolling into SC.

  174. Abe Says:

    MWS,

    I’m a big-boy……I can take it….

    BRING IT ON……MAN…..3 pm outside….BTW ?where?…..

  175. Michael Reichard Says:

    When will Hunter go?

  176. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    I think there has to be some involvement from the federal government, otherwise we will get states like MASS, CA, and NY keeping abortion and gay marriage legal.

  177. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    Dodd doesn’t want to embarrass himself anymore.

    And I don’t want to embarrass myself by showing what my Democratic predictions were.

  178. Abe Says:

    MWS,

    That last one was stupid…….

  179. jim Says:

    McCain has this won now, I’m calling. When Fred and Rudy drop out, and they will, they’ll endorse McCain and that’ll put him over the top.

    So long Mitt. Or should I say Willard.

  180. MetroRepublican Says:

    Intrade Update:

    JMac 28
    Rudy 27
    HUck 17
    Mitt 13

    New Hampshire:

    JMac 65
    Mitt 20

  181. Texas Conservative Says:

    Wow Metro, Great job… those were extremely close!

  182. Dskinner Says:

    Limbaugh is going to be going crazy tomorrow. I really doubt that he will endorse anyone, but who knows how he will react considering that it is shaping up as a Huckabee vs. McCain race.

  183. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    5 more counties yet to report on Republican sides.

  184. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    we’ll lets hope that this nation can survive the legalization of 20 million people who don’t have skill or education – because that is what we get with McCain.

  185. Texas Conservative Says:

    I am going on record as saying JMac will be the nominee.

    God, I HATE listening to Huckabee speak. I feel like I’m at church…

  186. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    TLG (#161) that is assuming the race lasts that long. If it does, and Rudy wins, full credit to him. But I can’t see it happening. We’ve seen Mitt written off after one loss. We’ve seen most bloggers talk of a McCain vs Huckabee race. That is how important momentum is. Ironically, Rudy supporters should be backing Mitt for NH. Because if McCain wins he could well lock up the nomination with a big win in Michigan, before rolling into SC.

    Mitt has not been written off after one loss because he lost the state.

    It’s because he staked his entire campaign on in winning Iowa and New Hampshire. He dumped so, so, so many ads and resources, and so much money (including much of his own) into that state to try to buy the win –

    And he got beaten by an upstart candidate!

    Rudy’s running a national campaign. McCain and Huckabee are NOT acceptable to the base and the conservative media, which will rally around Rudy for a big win in Florida and then a blowout on Super Tuesday as the consensus candidate.

  187. Erik Says:

    #153 TLG ROFL!

    If Romney doesn’t pull it out then Thompson is my #2 and after that I could see myself holding my nose for Rudy. After that I stay home for McCain or Huck.

  188. Brian Says:

    Huck with a strong speech thus far….

  189. Adam Says:

    Dskinner,

    He’ll have to go with McCain. And he’ll be miserable and whiny about it. It’s great!

  190. John Galt Says:

    I was pretty close too metro,

    Huckabutt 35
    Romney 29

    and i am a mitt supporter. congrats to huck. but if he wins, I will not vote or donate to the gop in 2008. i will become libertarian.

  191. mnm Says:

    Abe,

    Come over to the dark side.

  192. steve Says:

    The story of the night has to be the 60% evangelical turnout. You simply cant have a one group turnout like that and expect the results to be reflective of the party as a whole.

  193. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    we’ll lets hope that this nation can survive the legalization of 20 million people who don’t have skill or education – because that is what we get with McCain.

    Wait…your problem with illegals is that they’re uneducated, not that they broke the law?

    You are downright un-American.

  194. Michael Lawrence Says:

    Oh, Act-blog (#176), you must be a Huck supporter. Conservatism is not “no role for government, except where I disagree with the majority of the people in a few states”.

  195. Abe Says:

    mnm,

    I thought “ROMNEY-WAS-THE-DARK-SIDE”

    Hoo, Hah, ha, haaaaaaahhhh

  196. Erik Says:

    #189 Adam it will never happen!

  197. Texas Conservative Says:

    People call Mitt disingenuous, but to me Huckabee seems so scripted and animatronic… he make John Edwards seem genuine…

  198. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    TLG, I fear the impact of legalizing 20 million people with no education or skill in an economy increasingly reliant on both.

  199. Michael Reichard Says:

    Rombots, watch Huck’s victory speech, it will cheer you up!

  200. LJ Says:

    TLG,

    How is Rudy more acceptable to the conservative establishment than McCain?

  201. JayPe Says:

    TLG (#186) Rudy’s running a national campaign, yes. But momentum is rather more important. Just ask John Kerry. No one (except Fox) is talking about Rudy. The buzz is about Huck & JMac.

  202. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    #194 – I support Romney, but I don’t believe we can truly prevent abortion or Gay marraige except at the federal level.

  203. Erik Says:

    #199 Why do we need to watch it? We already know that God won it for him.

  204. MetroRepublican Says:

    Fred drops out. Mitt drops out a couple weeks later.

    As a result, Rudy’s support grows by double digits.

    Huck/McCain race forces conservative opinion-makers to rally around Rudy.

    That’s why Rudy’s tied with McCain on Intrade.

  205. Carson Says:

    Huckabee is giving speech of a lifetime!

  206. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    Thompson back in third – some small bit of good news.

  207. Brett Passmore Says:

    McCain is back to 4th

  208. Michael Lawrence Says:

    Oh well, maybe we can all agree to support Ron Paul…

  209. mnm Says:

    Join us Abe and together we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy . . .

  210. MetroRepublican Says:

    JayPe, because Rudy’s strategy did not involve these states. They will talk about Rudy as his strategy becomes more relevant. And if Hillary is the same boat, the FL/CA/etc strategy will get even more attention.

  211. Aron Goldman Says:

    With 85% reporting, Thompson has moved back into 3rd; 313 votes ahead of McCain.

  212. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    TLG, How is Rudy more acceptable to the conservative establishment than McCain?

    McCain has betrayed the party and sold it out to the MSM time and time again.

  213. Abe Says:

    Are you my father……………….

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

  214. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    Odd, Huck’s speech seems a little off tonight. A fine time for him to choose to be mediocre. But, he just quoted my intellectual hero “G.K. Chesterton”, so kudos to Huck.

  215. MetroRepublican Says:

    If you like this Huck speech, you belong in the Democratic Party.

  216. Dskinner Says:

    Adam,

    I agree, but I don’t think it is over yet. If I had to rank the candidates prospects going forward I would say this:

    McCain 54%
    Romney 15%
    Huckabee 15%
    Giuliani 15%
    Thompson 1%

    By the way, I think McCain will lose to Obama in a historic landslide if they both are the nominees. The only hope McCain would have is that there is some serious terrorist incident that scares voters.

  217. Texas Conservative Says:

    I might be coming on a bit strong here, but…..

    I HATE MIKE HUCKABEE!!!!!

    Prairie fire?!?!

    Aghhhghghgh he has no substance!!!! It’s all cheesy one-liners, quotes of others, or religious platitudes. Only John McCain can save us from this snake. Go JMac!!

  218. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    Rudy is no better than McCain or Huckabee

    Huck is weak on taxes
    McCain is weak on immigration
    Giuliani is weak on life and family issues.

  219. Jody Says:

    Metro:

    do you really hate Christians that much?

  220. Brett Passmore Says:

    #215 (act)- Eliminating the IRS is not weak on taxes

  221. Abe Says:

    What are the numbers now……..

  222. JayPe Says:

    Hmmm, headline in Politico “Iowa leaves GOP in total disarray”.
    The article says “a victory for a populist social conservative deeply mistrusted by many people in the Republican establishment, also virtually guarantee that the nomination contest will not simply be a battle over personalities and credentials. Instead, the race will now be a deep and probably intensely negative fight for the direction of the party in the post-Bush era.”
    Doesn’t quite compare to the media’s Obama story does it?

  223. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    “#215 (act)- Eliminating the IRS is not weak on taxes”

    The tax burden in Iowa went up 47% – and Huckabee has not renounced that. Am I supposed to trust him?

  224. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    Huck is weak on taxes
    McCain is weak on immigration
    Giuliani is weak on life and family issues.

    Except that “life and family issues” aren’t relevant to the presidency, while illegal immigration and taxes are HUGE issues for the president.

    So I assume you’ll be supporting Rudy over those two.

  225. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    The latest I have here is that we still have 1/4 of precincts to go. What’s the latest?

  226. Abe Says:

    Texas Conservative,

    You HATE Him……

    Do you really know him…………

  227. TarheelRepublican Says:

    You know I was thinking it’ll come down to Huck and McCain but the more I think about it Metro could be right. Huck takes Iowa, McCain takes NH and it all gets muddled after that. By the time Feb5th comes around nobody has been hitting the Mayor b/c he’s been low on the radar and his name recognition and image could win the day.

    I know if it came down to Giuliani/Huck/McCain I’d go with the Mayor.

  228. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    “I’d go with the Mayor.”

    …and I’d go fishing.

  229. Patrick Says:

    Where are you guys getting your numbers right now?

  230. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    Why couldn’t Huck just have been a conservative? We’d be in excellent shape right now if he was mildly less socially conservative, and considerably more conservative everywhere else.

  231. Texas Conservative Says:

    Abe,

    Huck- 34
    Rom- 25
    Thomp 13
    Jmac 13

  232. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    “if he was mildly less socially conservative”

    what exactly is that supposed to mean?

  233. Brian Says:

    Sean Hannity now actually praising Huckabee. I feel like I woke up in an alternate universe.

  234. Abe Says:

    When I think of Romney….

    I hear my mother sing……

    “To know, know, know him……Is to love, love, love him…….

  235. MetroRepublican Says:

    Jody, no, I hate populism. It’s fundamentally anti-American.

    5 years ago I was broke from a failed business. I started a new one. Today I live in Bel Air. THAT’s AMERICA.

  236. Texas Conservative Says:

    Ok, I hate the way he speaks and I hate his politics.

  237. shiggz Says:

    To my fellow prev Romney supporters, yes theres still a chance, but its time to make other plans.

    My biggest concern is immigration? At this point Fred is probably a distraction. Too bad he was my second choice oh well i guess i have nothing in common with iowans, i guess thats why i grew up in illinois.

    McCain has promised he would be better about it, whatever the hell that means. Huckabee put out a policy that contradicted everything hes said at the debates I’ve seen everyone. For me i now have to decide who i trust not flip flop on this.

    Huck supporters its your time to shine and convince us.

    McCain supporters your cause is also on thin ice with Obama win, The indepenendants in NH are going to do everything they can to keep him in the race. And right they should to spare us a dog killing Clinton. Rudy supporters you better hope all the news is focused on a democratic battle and not on your skeleton showing in 5 of 5 states.

  238. Erik Says:

    Metro what is it that you do?

  239. Aron Goldman Says:

    Abe,

    With 85% reporting:

    Huckabee 34% (35,257)
    Romney 25% (25,995)
    Thompson 14% (13,786)
    McCain 13% (13,473)
    Paul 10% (9,992)
    Giuliani 4% (3,571)

  240. Abe Says:

    OOOOOoooooooooo,

    I can’t believe I just typed that….

    Don’t tell anyone……pleeeeeeeeeeease.

  241. Permabound Says:

    Chris Dodd on Democrat side just dropped out

  242. MetroRepublican Says:

    Erik, analyze real estate data.

  243. Psycheout Says:

    Huckabee by nine points over Romney?

    Huckabust indeed.

  244. LaJ Says:

    All eyes on McCain to take NH. He is still tied with Romney so lets see if he can move it past the goal line.

  245. Abe Says:

    Texas and Aron,

    Thanks………….

  246. Erik Says:

    Metro, please explain. Just curious.

  247. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    So we’re looking at like 110-120k turnout on the Republican side?

  248. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Jody, Huckabee wants to make our national government a religious organization. This is very, very, very bad. Think of it as a church where you do not pay tithies, but that their ushers would come into your home, and grab every single penny of yours. It does not matter which church it may be. But it won’t be your beloved faith, since the government are running by greedy men (perhaps not your Huckabee, but definitely with the like of Pelois, Kennedy and Kerry!). Huckabee will only make it easier for them to take over your life.

  249. Michael Lawrence Says:

    How can you “betray the party?”

    One can betray his principles, or his friends. McCain never did that.

    Did he betray the party when he stood alone for YEARS calling for the surge (which all the sudden everyone else on stage at the debates supports now that it’s clearly succeeding)?

    Did he betray the party when he stood with President Bush in 2004 despite the MSM calls for him to endorse Kerry, and despite the fact that Bush stole the 2000 nomination from him with allegations of “miscegination” in South Carolina?

    Did he betray the party when he stood in the wilderness calling for Republicans to take back their soles and stop pork-barrel spending?

    Just because McCain doesn’t agree with everything dope-addict Rush has to say, doesn’t mean he betrayed the party. It means he sticks to his guns whether you agree with him or not. Somehow that’s an “admirable” quality in President Bush, but an absolute foible for McCain.

    God forbid a man stick to his principles. He’s by no means perfect, but anyone who says that McCain only takes high profile stands in the media when it bucks the party is either a liar, or doesn’t know enough to give an informed opinion.

  250. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    You know I was thinking it’ll come down to Huck and McCain but the more I think about it Metro could be right. Huck takes Iowa, McCain takes NH and it all gets muddled after that. By the time Feb5th comes around nobody has been hitting the Mayor b/c he’s been low on the radar and his name recognition and image could win the day. I know if it came down to Giuliani/Huck/McCain I’d go with the Mayor.

    Giuliani wants to pick up Romney and Thompson folks when McCain and Huckabee kill each other, are killed by the conservative media, and are scrutinized like hell.

    This could be a BOOM for Rudy on Feb. 5th.

  251. Psycheout Says:

    “To know, know, know him [Romney]……Is to love, love, love him…….

    You’re going to regret that in the morning. LOL!

  252. Michael Reichard Says:

    #248, Wow, that is a complete lie.

  253. Justin Hart Says:

    Here’s my take:

    http://race42008.com/2008/01/03/iowa-lowdown-and-aftermath/

  254. Abe Says:

    Psycheout,

    You’re right…..

    Nobody tell Abe……..

    He’ll have a mental break down………

  255. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Avon, thanks for the update, do keep it coming our way!

    Go, Fred, Go!!!

  256. MWS Says:

    Rudy at 3%

    Ouch.

    61% of the country said he is in big trouble if he doesn’t win Iowa or NH. In elections, perception becomes reality.

  257. Matthias Says:

    Been trying to find a county-by-county map but so far unsuccessful. You guys seen one?

  258. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    I’m not so sure about NH – Romney will be flying up tonight I assume, and he is going to blitz that state betwen now and then, and he can deffinately hit McCain on the taxes issues – which will work very well there.

  259. MetroRepublican Says:

    TLG, nice one:

    “Giuliani wants to pick up Romney and Thompson folks when McCain and Huckabee kill each other, are killed by the conservative media, and are scrutinized like hell.

    This could be a BOOM for Rudy on Feb. 5th.”

  260. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    249 — Michael Lawrence, I wasn’t giving my personal analysis of McCain. I was telling you why the conservative opinion-makers hate him. He has no serious party loyalty. Some people like that. The base doesn’t.

    Why the f8#k are you calling Rush a “dope addict”?

  261. Texas Conservative Says:

    Good night and go JMac!!!

  262. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    # Abe Says: January 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 pm Psycheout, You’re right….. Nobody tell Abe…….. He’ll have a mental break down………

    LOL. That was really subtle, dry humor. :)

  263. JayPe Says:

    I must confess I feel very sorry for what Bush did to McCain in 2000. And then McCain backed him in a most unpopular war. That takes guts. Most people would bear a grudge against Bush for life.

    Still, McCain vs Obama could be successfully phrased as a choice between the old/past, and then new/future – ie. change. I think Obama would win that one.

  264. Matthias Says:

    The 200,000+ democrats and less than 100,000 GOPers is worrisome – to say the least.

  265. MetroRepublican Says:

    Matthias: http://www.iowagop.net/

  266. Aron Goldman Says:

    Intrade Update – GOP New Hampshire Primary

    McCain 66.0
    Romney 20.0

    Intrade Update – GOP Nomination

    McCain 32.5
    Giuliani 26.8
    Huckabee 17.0
    Romney 14.0
    Paul 4.0
    Thompson 4.0

  267. Matthias Says:

    thx for the map

  268. Jim W Says:

    county by county at politico.com and go for detailed results

  269. Abe Says:

    Finally,

    Mitt has imploded….

    Now HE can have HIS COMEBACK……

    Everybody else gets one…..

    Why not him…….

  270. John Galt Says:

    chris dodd got 1 vote!! one vote! can you believe that?

    i also hate huckabee. he is a pro choice democrat. listen to his speech. just wait, the conservatives are going to absolutely go nuts to do whatever they can to stop him.

    i agreee. they are also not happy with mccain, so that leaves giuliani in a good spot if mccain wins new hampshire. however i also think that it leaves a winfdow open for mitt still, albeit narroow, because giuliani still has problems with ‘all around’ or ‘reagan’ conservatives because socially he is a liberal.

    this race is no more clear now than it was yesterday. however mitt’s chances have dropped.

  271. JayPe Says:

    Abe (#269) very funny.

    I’m yet to see the much anticipated Dennis Kucinich comeback though…

  272. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    “he is a pro choice democrat. ”

    I’m going to assume you mean a “pro-life democrat”

  273. Aron Goldman Says:

    Intrade Update – Dem NH Primary

    Obama 60.0
    Clinton 35.0

  274. Abe Says:

    Disclaimer:

    (I never wanted Mitt to implode)

  275. Abe Says:

    OUCH……….

  276. JayPe Says:

    Mike has arrived — to the theme song of “Monty Python and the Flying Circus,” no less. – Politico.

    Ummm, why?

  277. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    Matthias,

    Even with only 85% reporting, we’re over 100k for the GOP. Still awfully low comparatively, but it also looks like it might well be a record for the GOP caucus as well.

  278. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Michael, Huckabee wants to use the power of Federal Government to uphold the Christianity principles. If the national government can ban you from smoking, from having abortion, from same-sex marriage, and so on, then what is there to stop it from banning you on many more things? The national government is necessarily evil. We should keep all of the power to govern very near to ourselves, preferrably to ourselves personally. But, we do need to delegate some of our power to the local, and then county and finally the state. The Federal Government should be in the business of protecting the states from external dangers, and to ensure the citizens are protected across the state boundaries. It cannot, nor should it diciate the moral values among its people. We have different organizations for it, namely, the family and churches. True, the Federal Government should make it easier for families and churches to do their duties, and that is to reduce taxes, deregulate many industries and to protect them.

  279. Kevin W Says:

    What are the chances that McCain now runs off wins in NH, MI, NV, and SC? If he does that how does Rudy stop his momentum in FL or on Feb. 5?

    Who has the best chance to stop McCain in one of those states? Mitt in NH? Huckabee in SC? Rudy in NV?

  280. JayPe Says:

    John (270) that doesn’t mean 1 vote. (Add them up, its less than 200k). I guess it means he passed the critical 15% in one precinct.

  281. MJ Says:

    The game has changed this year with the 20 plus Super Duper Tuesday primaries next month. This is still wide open – however I think Romney is the most damaged at this point in the process. The intrade numbers reveal that I think as well. Guiliani still has a realistic shot despite what some are saying. It’s probably down to McCain/Rudy/Huck for the stretch and I would give the edge to McCain and Rudy at this juncture. This will not play out like previous nominating processes due to Feb 5th.

  282. Michael Lawrence Says:

    TLG, 260,

    I thought that comment was unlike you. Forgive the tenacity of my response. As you so aptly put it, I am bothered by those who think that a person’s loyalty should be to his party, rather than to his principles. Rush falls into that group a bit too often for me, so I’m not much of a fan of this thought processes sometimes – though I must admit that I enjoy his show from time to time when I’m able to catch it. I know Rush’s primary concept is adherence to conservatism, but Rush’s definition of conservatism doesn’t DEFINE conservatism. It’s just his opinion. It bothers me when people quote Rush like he’s Moses coming down of the mountain. “Rush said that X is the conservative position, and that makes politician Y no longer acceptable under any circumstances.” Pardon my French, but that is pure dog doo-doo.

  283. MWS Says:

    Over the next 5 days we will start to see the wheels fall off of Romney, Inc. And after Tuesday, it will all be over but the crying.

  284. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    well, obviously romney is the most damaged, but I am not sure how big that damage will be.

    Huck is not exactly a good fit in NH, and I don’t see Romney supporters jumping ship to another candidate who placed lower than Mitt.

  285. DaveG Says:

    Ah, that’s why I didn’t hear a Romney concession speech. He gave it during Huck’s victory speech. Real classy, Mitt.

  286. MetroRepublican Says:

    Kevin W,

    McCain has a ceiling in the GOP. It’s well below 50%.

    Rudy’s ceiling is over 60%.

    As I’ve said for weeks, the conventional wisdom is wrong. Rudy didn’t need a multi-way race to win. He needs a one-on-one race to win.

    As Fred and Mitt drop, Rudy gets stronger and stronger.

  287. E Dogg Says:

    John McCain gets to take this message to NH:

    Every viable candidate supports half a trillion dollars in farmer’s subsidies except me.

  288. JayPe Says:

    Kevin (279) I think Mitt has the best chance. JMac has no momentum from what looks like a tie for 3rd (just edging 4th), and although Mitt is going backwards big time, we know how important momentum is.

    If he wins the early ones, he’ll be hard to stop once SC comes around. If he wins SC the race is over. So I’d say:
    1) Mitt in NH
    2) Huck in SC
    3) Rudy in FL.

  289. mnm Says:

    MJ,

    Rudy does not have a shot, my friend.

    When was the last time Republicans nominated a pro choice candidate?

    Not going to happen.

  290. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    Metro, you say that Giuliani is not a social liberal.

    Do you believe he would sign pro-life legislation?

  291. Kevin W Says:

    So Metro, what is the first state you expect McCain to lose?

  292. TarheelRepublican Says:

    MWS that’s ok. It’ll be even more fun to watch Huck get beat with a stick by conservatives once it seems him grabbing the nomination could be a reality.

  293. Jared Says:

    The spin I am hearing is that even though Huckabee won, a lot of the media are saying that he has a huge hurdle in front of him appealing to the non-evangelical segment of the upcoming states. The fact that there was such a high turnout of evangelicals, a lot of them are saying that he has a tougher time appealing to people who do not share his religious views.

    Metro,

    Mitt won’t drop. Not until the very end. Sorry to bust your bubble.

  294. Abe Says:

    ………..

    HEY BRETT,

    If you are out there…….

    THANKS SO MUCH for posting my lame “HUCK-A-BUST” yesterday…..

    I had my 15 minutes……

    Now you get your 15 hours and on, and on……

  295. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    Yeah, Barack Obama is a terrifically compelling candidate. Gosh, I really hope the wheels don’t completely fall off the Clinton machine. Because I don’t think we can beat this guy.

  296. JayPe Says:

    Gotta love this comment:
    “He’s currently at 2% in the caucus results, but Gov. Bill Richardson’s campaign just sent an e-mail to reporters declaring that he “makes Final Four.”

  297. Brett Passmore Says:

    278 SGS – that is absurd – Mike did not do that in AR, and it is not his mission to do it as President. You are grasping for any negative thing that makes sense to you right now…

  298. PnGrata Says:

    I agree with Matt Miller. Obama’s way stronger than Hillary.

  299. MWS Says:

    “So Metro, what is the first state you expect McCain to lose?”

    Iowa.

  300. MetroRepublican Says:

    Kevin, the first state McCain will lose? NV or SC or FL.

    Jared, what’s the very end? Mitt said he had a IA+NH springboard strategy. Plus his homestate of MI. If he loses all 3, on what basis can he continue? Even if he won NV after losing those, what can he do with that?

  301. Michael Lawrence Says:

    #287, E Dogg, RIGHT ON. I can’t wait for the first year of a McCain administration, when he starts holding press conferences every day to veto bills with charts of all the BS spending, and the bully pulpit to himself to explain why those projects are horsehockey.

    That fella is gonna cut us some spending. Maybe, then, we can afford some new tax cuts.

  302. Matthias Says:

    A little Democrat talk for a second -

    How, if at all possible, does Obama not just run away with this thing? He is already the favorite in NH and after an 8% win in Iowa this lead will only grow. Maybe he gets stopped in SC but that seems about it.

    Sorry about the double-thread post – it was meant for here

  303. Carson Says:

    Obama looks and sounds like a president

  304. Carson Says:

    *in this speech that is

  305. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    #301,

    what about immigration?

  306. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    TLG, 260, I thought that comment was unlike you. Forgive the tenacity of my response. As you so aptly put it, I am bothered by those who think that a person’s loyalty should be to his party, rather than to his principles. Rush falls into that group a bit too often for me, so I’m not much of a fan of this thought processes sometimes – though I must admit that I enjoy his show from time to time when I’m able to catch it. I know Rush’s primary concept is adherence to conservatism, but Rush’s definition of conservatism doesn’t DEFINE conservatism. It’s just his opinion. It bothers me when people quote Rush like he’s Moses coming down of the mountain. “Rush said that X is the conservative position, and that makes politician Y no longer acceptable under any circumstances.” Pardon my French, but that is pure dog doo-doo.

    Rush is a conservative before he is a Republican. He sees McCain as not being sufficiently conservative and for selling out conservative principles to curry favor with the mainstream media. McCain has been against the base on tax cuts (by invoking class warfare — it’s not just about spending), campaign finance reform, immigration, waterboarding, and environmentalism, to name just five issues. People love Rush, though — can’t deny that. And he could have a huge impact. Imagine the headline: LIMBAUGH ENDORSES GIULIANI.

  307. Bobinator Says:

    I hold to my early prediction that we will see a brokered convention.

  308. The Iowa Caucus Results « Blogs 4 Conservatives Says:

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  309. TarheelRepublican Says:

    I hate democrats and I have to admit Obama is a dream canidate to the public.

  310. Carson Says:

    Biden also drops out, AP

  311. MWS Says:

    Matthias,

    Obama is still running up against the Clinton machine, and she went into tonight with about a 2-1 lead nationally. That will drop, but it is significant. If Obama wins NH, he is probably a lock to win SC, as black voters make up a very large % of Democrats in the deep South. I think Obama will start to poll very well with blacks. One commentator tonight noted that once he proves he can get white votes (like tonight in Iowa) he will do very well in the black community.

  312. DaveG Says:

    Like I said, the Hillary crew looked old, tired, and like a part of the past tonight during her concession speech. Obama, who is speaking now, has the feel of the future. He may fizzle out before Super Tuesday, but right now, he feels like a winner.

    The GOP race is one between McCain, Huck, and Rudy.

  313. JayPe Says:

    Obama looks strong for the Dems. You’ve gotta think he’ll take NH after this.

    Matthias (302) Obama will do fine in SC. The 50% or so blacks will swing behind Obama now that white Iowa has backed him. They’ve seen he’s electable, so any doubts they had (that pushed them to Mrs Black President) are now gone.

  314. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    IF it goes to a brokered convention, I think the GOP’s chances in 2008 are virtually nil.

    Why?

    Because, our nominee won’t be known until early september, and won’t be able to raise money or campaign as the nominee until that time. Also, the story Americans are going to see is a united DNC and a divided GOP – or at least, they are going to see it inbetween all of the ads on T.V. for the Democratic nominee.

  315. JayPe Says:

    MWS, snap! :)

  316. MetroRepublican Says:

    Listen to this Obama speech!

    You people think Mitt could’ve beaten this man? NEVER.

    We’ll be damn lucky if Rudy or McCain can.

    Hopefully events focus America on national security.

  317. MWS Says:

    So who was the biggest loser in the first tier tonight?

    Hillary or Mitt?

  318. Matthias Says:

    I suppose Clinton also has the support of the majority of committed superdelegates. But still the fact that he is the odds-on favorite in the next two primaries seems like an avalanche waiting to happen.

  319. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    Matthias,

    I don’t know. I just don’t know. Huckabee and Obama are the two most personally compelling candidates either party has offered since Ronald Reagan. But, Obama doesn’t have a large fraction of his party’s base opposing him. Does anyone doubt that if Huck was an orthodox conservative, he’d walk away with this thing? And right now, Obama is giving an astonishingly wonderful speech. I’m in shivers. We’re doomed if he’s the nominee. Doomed.

  320. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    Like I said, the Hillary crew looked old, tired, and like a part of the past tonight during her concession speech. Obama, who is speaking now, has the feel of the future. He may fizzle out before Super Tuesday, but right now, he feels like a winner.

    I agree completely.

    Listen to this Obama speech!

    You people think Mitt could’ve beaten this man? NEVER.

    We’ll be damn lucky if Rudy or McCain can.

    Hopefully events focus America on national security.

    I agree completely.

  321. MetroRepublican Says:

    MWS, Mitt was hurt more.

    He went from 24 to 14 on Intrade. Hillary went from 65 to 55.

  322. MWS Says:

    Act,

    Very true, and that doesn’t give enough time for the wounds to heal. If there is a brokered convention that almost guarantees that the majority of Republicans did NOT vote for the nominee. To lose in a brokered convention would be devastating, and not easily forgiven by a candidate’s hardcore support.

  323. MWS Says:

    Metro,

    Looked at that way, they both lost 10.

  324. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    here is something to think about, it has been a general agreement among the conservatives that Huckabee is the one to fear for this nomination. Why won’t Huckabee’s victory in Iowa cause the conservatives to get behind the one who has the capability to win the election? For some of us, we think it’s Rudy, with others, McCain, and still some of us, Mitt or Fred.

  325. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    So who was the biggest loser in the first tier tonight? Hillary or Mitt?

    Mitt, because Hillary has a 20-point national lead.

  326. Matthias Says:

    goodness does Obama have charisma…

  327. TarheelRepublican Says:

    If Huck was a true conservative he would easily walk away with the nomination.

  328. MetroRepublican Says:

    MWS, you have to look at the PROPORTION they lost, and where they ended up.

  329. shiggz Says:

    does anyone here think huck could beat obama?

  330. Abe Says:

    GOODNIGHT GUYS,

    THIS IS THE VERY LAST TIME I WILL EVER TYPE THESE WORDS…………….

    …..THE HUCK-A-BUST…..is a Bust……

    I still believe Huck will NOT win the nomination…..

    But I will never type…..that…..again….

    Good night…..all….

  331. www.act-blog.co.nr Says:

    I’m not even so worried about wounds in the party.

    My biggest concern is that Democrats will be running ads from april to september uncontested.

  332. PnGrata Says:

    Mitt, because Hillary has a 20-point national lead.

    Irrelevant, after tonight. What’s going to be worse, Hillary losing a 20 point lead, or Mitt dropping about 8.

  333. MetroRepublican Says:

    Abe, haha, thanks for the entertainment… ‘night!

  334. TarheelRepublican Says:

    Beating Hillary would be fun and satisfying. Facing Obama is terrifying.

  335. SGSFromLaptop Says:

    Brett, Huckabee did it 1033 times, when he pardoned those from prison who claimed to be saved through Christ. Huckabee enlargened many programs, going from 6 billions to 16 billions. And Huckabee claims we did not show terrorists Christ-like love. Need I to say more?

  336. Michael Lawrence Says:

    I can’t defend CFR. Won’t bother. Believe me, it gives me the willies to. But then, so do big chunks of the Patriot Act. I’m assuming (without knowing) that Limbaugh thinks that the Patriot Act is a great idea, just like waterboarding. Hmmm…let’s consider what is “conservative” about waterboarding and the Patriot Act. Unchecked authority for government to abuse an individual (even if not a citizen) – not conservative. If the individual is not sacrosanct from the unchecked power of the state, then there is no right in the individual. Waterboarding is UNconservative – it exalts the state over the individual, and sacrifices one individual for the good of many – also contrary to our founding principles.

    Patriot Act, again, exalting the state over personal privacy and liberty.

    You could debate till you’re blue in the face whether McCain’s opposition to tax cuts was “unconservative” or whether Rush’s support for them was “unconservative”. To call this debate in favor of Rush, one would have to believe that all conservatives must be supply-siders. Too bad Laffer himself doesn’t believe that tax rates are currently high enough that we can “Laff” our way out of tax cuts unaccompanied by spending. The conservative route for taxes and spending, at least in the classical sense of conservatism, is to ensure that government remains as small as possible AND as solvent as possible. McCain wanted tax cuts and spending cuts. Rush and Bush were for tax cuts without spending cuts…I call the battle of “conservatism” here in favor of McCain, since his policy of spending cuts would have achieved two goals of conservatism that Bush’s tax cuts did not: reducing size of government, and making government solvent for future generations.

    I can on like this all day. Rush is a blow-hard. He’s entertaining, but he’s still a blow hard, and I think that on balance he’s at least as bad for the party as he is good for it.

  337. UA Says:

    OMG!!!! I just got home from work and immediately turned on Fox and logged on here at the same time.

  338. UA Says:

    I cannot believe I missed this!

  339. TarheelRepublican Says:

    The biggest problem I have with McCain is immigration. imo What we do with immigration in the next 10 years is going to define our country. I really wish he would drop his “not really amnesty in name but substance” principles.

  340. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    Irrelevant, after tonight. What’s going to be worse, Hillary losing a 20 point lead, or Mitt dropping about 8.

    We were asked whether Romney or Hillary is hurt more.

    Romney is done.

    Hillary is not.

  341. MetroRepublican Says:

    UA, did you not know when the Iowa Caucus was???

  342. UA Says:

    Yes, but I was at work, with no TV, radio, or internet.

  343. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    Metro, he said that he just got home from work, not that he didn’t know what day it was.

  344. shiggz Says:

    I would think think that tonight would send the message to GOP that they have to choose someone who satisfies or placates evangelicals.

    I cant see a candidate that shafts the evangelicals pulling off a nomination let alone a general win. Maybe one thats acceptable to them like fred.

    If Evangelicals turn out in double the numbers in other states which is very likely if its seen as a nationwide religious revival, none of the remaining gop candidates can topple him, especially not if their support is divided. I really cant foresee Huckabee able to beat Obama not even with a huge imagination stretch. Obama would pull way to much from the center and Huck would lose almost all of the center.

  345. UA Says:

    how are the Romney supporters holding up?

  346. Permabound Says:

    random question…but i was gone the past couple weeks and didn’t have the chance to read this blog. what happened to Rhett Hatcher?

  347. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    I can’t defend CFR. Won’t bother. Believe me, it gives me the willies to. But then, so do big chunks of the Patriot Act. I’m assuming (without knowing) that Limbaugh thinks that the Patriot Act is a great idea, just like waterboarding. Hmmm…let’s consider what is “conservative” about waterboarding and the Patriot Act. Unchecked authority for government to abuse an individual (even if not a citizen) – not conservative. If the individual is not sacrosanct from the unchecked power of the state, then there is no right in the individual. Waterboarding is UNconservative – it exalts the state over the individual, and sacrifices one individual for the good of many – also contrary to our founding principles.

    I support waterboarding, as do most hawks. Again — if you want to argue that it’s unconservative, do that. But most Republicans support the practice, and McCain not only opposes it, but moralizes about it.

    You could debate till you’re blue in the face whether McCain’s opposition to tax cuts was “unconservative” or whether Rush’s support for them was “unconservative”.

    McCain’s was, because he invoked class warfare.

    To call this debate in favor of Rush, one would have to believe that all conservatives must be supply-siders.

    Same thing with waterboarding.

    McCain wanted tax cuts and spending cuts. Rush and Bush were for tax cuts without spending cuts…I call the battle of “conservatism” here in favor of McCain, since his policy of spending cuts would have achieved two goals of conservatism that Bush’s tax cuts did not: reducing size of government, and making government solvent for future generations.

    It is the CLASS WARFARE that is bothersome, not the vote.

  348. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    random question…but i was gone the past couple weeks and didn’t have the chance to read this blog. what happened to Rhett Hatcher?

    Kicked off for irrational bigotry.

  349. Matthias Says:

    McCain is making a run for 3rd place with the remaining 15% of the precincts

  350. UA Says:

    cheers to Abe for being such a good sport

  351. TarheelRepublican Says:

    I’m a Romney supporter and I’m fine. If Romney can’t pull it out there’s still Thompson, Giuliani, and maybe McCain that I can still enthusiastically support.

  352. Permabound Says:

    Do you mind if I ask what kind? Towards Mitt?

  353. JayPe Says:

    Waterboarding is surely not libertarian. Torturing someone violates their rights, wouldn’t you say?

    (and one can talk about “they want to kill us” etc Its irrelevant, surely it comes down to principle)

  354. shiggz Says:

    UA

    Couldn’t be better as a Mormon I always wanted Mitt to lose and lose early. (America is in cultural self destruct between liberals and evangelicals and is fighting a billion muslims, what idiot would want to get in the middle of that) As an American i really thought he could fix some of our complex problems no one else can.

    Theres a part of me thats pleased as punch to see you rudy, mccain, and huck guys will now all have to fight each other where before they were all scratching each others back ends to take down mitt. You’ve created a monster to get rid of mitt, good luck with your new huckenstein, though im still willing to give any of them a chance if they’ll at least freeze the border.

  355. Joseph D Walch Says:

    All I have to say is:

    Romney:2008 :: Reagan:1976

  356. MetroRepublican Says:

    Joseph, no, that’s Rudy.

  357. Michael Lawrence Says:

    TLG, you’re right about the class warfare thing. Certainly, it was not a good call on his part. Nevertheless, his overall position of spending cuts, deficit reduction, and balanced tax cuts is the appropriate conservative course.

    Defining whether waterboarding and supply-siderism are conservative based on whether they are currently popular with the party is part of my point about how Rush is sometimes bad for the party. Conservatism has changed a lot since Goldwater, and usually for the worst.

    I think we’re in agreement, however, that it’s all in the eye of the beholder. And you’re right about many of the knocks on McCain. Some of them are quite valid. I do believe his promise about enforcing the border before undertaking any further reform. And, as we all know, shutting the border is the beginning of any sensible solution. Really, I don’t know whether it’s better to try to expel 20 million illegals, or simply to penalize them for what they did and letting them stay. My hope is that they’ll find a workable solution that will cut off the job supply for illegals, which would solve the problem in the most natural of ways.

    McCain’s not perfect. If I thought he could win a general election, I’d be supporting Thompson. But, we need to win for it to matter.

  358. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    All I have to say is:

    Rudy:2008 :: Reagan:1976

  359. MarkG Says:

    Total “respek” for the Huckaboppers, BTW. Congratulations.

    I don’t know if I could vote for Huck in the general, and I know you guys seriously dislike my guy Rudy, but I do appreciate your work and think your candidate is very appealing as a very human candidate. So congrats to MWS, Brett, UA, WiseGuy, etc.

  360. Brett Passmore Says:

    Thanks MarkG. Rudy is a fine person, just not my candidate. He is better than anything that the dems offer…

  361. UA Says:

    thanks markg

  362. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    Michael Lawrence, I agree that McCain will never try to pull an amnesty stunt again, because he knows that he can’t survive that, politically. The base simply won’t allow him to get away with it.

    If you think Rush is bad for the party, then you should indeed be supporting McCain. But I was merely trying to show how McCain could get annihilated when people are reminded that there’s more to him than the fact that he was tortured in Vietnam and supported the surge. That’s how Rudy will pull off a victory: he will be the guy that is not John McCain and not Mike Huckabee.

  363. UA Says:

    has anyone seen Mitt speak yet?

  364. E Dogg Says:

    TLG,
    “The base simply won’t allow him to get away with it.”

    What are you talking about?! All along we heard Iowans were immigration hawks. They just gave half their votes to amnesty champions (I’m demagoguing here) McCain and Huckabee.

  365. MetroRepublican Says:

    UA, apparantly he spoke at the same time Huck did?!?

    Total weasel! How fitting! Zero character.

  366. E Dogg Says:

    Who had a bigger turnout? dems or reps?

  367. Matthias Says:

    dems by a little over 2-to-1. They set quite the record unforutnately

  368. E Dogg Says:

    2 to 1? :-O

  369. jim Says:

    Ironically, I also think Rudy has been hurt somewhat by the success of the surge in Iraq and the success of our anti-terrorism efforts in general, not to mention the WH folding its tent on Iran.

    As those issues recede and more domestic ones take hold, that hurts Rudy big.

    A lot can still happen. For example, a major terrorist attack, capturing or killing a terrorist leader, some big foriegn policy thing, who knows?

    But with US deaths in Iraq down to below 1 a day, no terror attacks in the US for going on 6+ years, etc… I think people may be ready to just forget about foreign policy and defense.

  370. Psycheout Says:

    Abe, your “Huck-a-bust” meme was a great slogan. Nobody faults you for having a crush on your guy. I hope you continue to participate. Mitt needs somebody to love him!

    LOL! j/k. I feel your pain. I started out as a Brownbacker.

  371. Matthias Says:

    It’s a little misleading also. Dems traditionally get a much higher turnout in the IA caucus. However, it’s still nothing to rejoice about.

  372. PnGrata Says:

    Metro, really? You’re calling bad timing zero character? How would he even know?

  373. E Dogg Says:

    Imagine what an idiot Tancredo is feeling like. HAHA!

  374. Carson Says:

    when are these precincts coming in? I need a final result!

  375. MetroRepublican Says:

    PnGrata, they know. After elections like this, the candidates usually coordinate with the media so they aren’t speaking at the same time.

  376. UA Says:

    metro – he did? Did any of the news media catch it?

  377. E Dogg Says:

    At least this can be said of the dems: They know when to exit. Dodd and Biden are gone. Earth to Duncan Hunter….

    McCain could still pull off a third place finish….

  378. TarheelRepublican Says:

    Why would Tancredo feel like an idiot?

  379. E Dogg Says:

    87% reporting:
    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/primaries/states/ia/r/

  380. jim Says:

    I must say, it is nice to see a Clinton lose for once.

  381. jim Says:

    anyone know why the GOP takes so much longer to report than the dems?

    Prediction from here out:
    NH-McCain
    MI-McCain
    SC-Huckabee(Fred drops out and backs McCain)
    FL-McCain
    2/5-McCain

    Nominee-McCain v Obama, Obama wins.

  382. UA Says:

    #380 – I’m sure she will try to downplay it like it’s not a big deal

  383. E Dogg Says:

    RCP average:
    McCain-45
    Obama-45
    nobody else is competitive with Obama right now…
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#charts

  384. Michael Lawrence Says:

    Obama is going to be a very difficult general election candidate for anyone to beat. But, my feeling is that McCain is the only guy who can compete against him for independents.

  385. Mike F Says:

    #365 – actually, in this case, Huckabee was being the weasel. The victor is supposed to give his opponent the opportunity to concede before making the victory speech.

  386. Michael Lawrence Says:

    New Hampshire should be a good gauge of this. With both Obama and McCain now favored in NH, we should get an idea of who will attract independents to the polls better.

  387. E Dogg Says:

    google “McCain letter to Obama” BRUTAL. McCain will beat Obama.

  388. particleman Says:

    Congrats to the Huckabackers. While I’ve had Mitt as my first choice for a while, Huck is my 2nd choice and you guys won big tonight and earned it. It’s been hard reading the negative comments back and forth between supporters of my top two, but if it winds up Huck vs. Mac by the time I vote on Feb. 5, then give me Huck.

  389. jaaron Says:

    Huckabust…nope, way off on that one.
    HUCKAMONSTER…spot on.

    As a Romney supporter, i will stay on the ship until i must leave…i could still vote for Guiliani, Thompson ( i think he is done though), and maybe if i absolutely, no way in he!! could find a way out of it, Johny boy. I still think that my man has still got shot, but he is the major underdog, and now he has got to do something amazing, no clue what, maybe he could do a Mormon speech, (nope, already done that).
    As for him losing, never thought that that the evangelicals detested him that much, 51% to 10%…wow.

  390. ThatLibertarianGuy Says:

    What are you talking about?! All along we heard Iowans were immigration hawks. They just gave half their votes to amnesty champions (I’m demagoguing here) McCain and Huckabee.

    People don’t realize that Huckabee is an amnesty champion.

    They think he’s tough on immigration. Ever look at the comments on his website’s blog?

  391. E Dogg Says:

    390, Not even after the millions of dollars Mitt’s “contrast ads”? Maybe you just think Iowans are dumb because they haded Rudy his butt tonight.

  392. Mike F Says:

    The challenge for Huckabee is that as he moves out of Iowa, and away from evangelical voters who are apparently willing to believe that his opponents are simply making up ridiculous things about his record as governor (especially if the charges are made by a member of the Mormon cult), HE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TO DEFEND HIMSELF! Some might take his word because he was a Southern Baptist preacher, but his record will not bear rational scrutiny. He will have accomplished what McCain and Rudy had hoped, but he will not be a factor by February 5.

  393. Mike F Says:

    I look forward to working with other Republicans to alter the nominating process in 2012 so that Iowa is not “first in the nation.” I’d prefer to identify four red/purple states (each in a different region) for the initial round. These actual states could change each cycle. Iowas track record, even before tonight, has not been that good. And tonight’s debacle has not been good for the party. RUDY WAS RIGHT! (of course, he didn’t have much choice). It is amazing to me to look at the precipitous decline of the Republican party in just the last four years. I have been an active republican since 1978 and I have never been less optimistic about the party’s future (though the full primary process may yet inspire me). IS THERE ANYONE ON THIS SITE WHO WAS NOT SUPPORTING HUCKABEE BEFORE TONIGHT WHO BELIEVES HE HAS ANY CHANCE OF GETTING TO THE WHITE HOUSE? THE NOMINATION?

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