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Tonight, myself and over a hundred students protested Bill Clinton in Steubenville, Ohio. Apparently, he couldn’t take the heat. His latest outbreak comes from one earlier today in which he lashed out at an Obama supporter in Canton, Ohio.
Here is a YouTube video of Clinton’s hot-headed outbreak:
From MSNBC’s First Read:
And Bill spars with another?
Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:32 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, ClintonFrom NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann
At a later event today in Steubenville, OH, Bill Clinton snapped hard at an anti-abortion protestor who had interrupted him.“I gave you the answer. We disagree with you,” Clinton said. “You wanna criminalize women and their doctors and we disagree… I reduced abortion… Tell the truth, tell the truth… If you were really pro-life, if you were really pro-life, you would want to put every doctor and every mother as an accessory to murder in prison. And you won’t say you wanna do that because you know that because you know that you wouldn’t have a lick of political support. Now, the issue is who … the issue is, you can’t name me anybody presently in politics that did more to introduce policies that reduce the number of real abortions instead of the hot air putting out to tear people up and make votes by dividing America.”
“This is not your rally. I heard you. That’s another thing you need is a president, somebody who will stick up for individual rights and not be pushed around, and she won’t.”
Press release I just sent out:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NEWS RELEASE
February 17, 2008
Contact: Billy Valentine
703-801-1628, prolife.steubenville@gmail.comBILL CLINTON LASHES OUT AT PRO-LIFERS IN STEUBENVILLE
Follows Outburst of Rage Earlier in Canton, Ohio at Obama SupporterSTEUBENVILLE – Agitated after being greeted by over a hundred pro-life students at a rally in Steubenville tonight, Clinton lost his temper yet again after losing his cool at an Obama supporter in Canton, Ohio. This time, Clinton lashed out during his speech at the pro-life students:
“I gave you the answer. We disagree with you,” Clinton said. “You wanna criminalize women and their doctors and we disagree… I reduced abortion… Tell the truth, tell the truth… If you were really pro-life, if you were really pro-life, you would want to put every doctor and every mother as an accessory to murder in prison. And you won’t say you wanna do that because you know that because you know that you wouldn’t have a lick of political support. Now, the issue is who … the issue is, you can’t name me anybody presently in politics that did more to introduce policies that reduce the number of real abortions instead of the hot air putting out to tear people up and make votes by dividing America. “This is not your rally. I heard you. That’s another thing you need is a president, somebody who will stick up for individual rights and not be pushed around, and she won’t.”
Clinton’s heated response came after being questioned on his support of abortion-on-demand. Video has been captured of the outburst and will be posted on YouTube. The outburst is also being reported by MSNBC.
“Perhaps national Democrats will finally realize that they can’t take the heat from Steubenville pro-life students,” said Billy Valentine, one of the Franciscan University of Steubenville students who helped organize the protest. “I have been amazed by the stupidity of these pro-abortion Democrats who think they can come campaign anywhere near Steubenville, especially after the utter embarrassment John Kerry went through in 2004 when he came here.”
Media Clips from the 2004 Kerry Protest in Steubenville:
“According to Fox News, it was the largest anti-Kerry rally of the campaign, and the coverage saturated Ohio media outlets for the next few days. The hostile reception in a traditional Democratic city stunned the Kerry campaign…” (Deal Hudson, “Steubenville Elects Bush,” National Catholic Register, 12/17/04)
“John Kerry came to Steubenville yesterday and quickly realized he was in the wrong city…” (Kathryn Jean Lopez, “Kerry Hits The Wrong Ohio Town,” National Review Corner, 9/11/04)“The crowd, estimated by officials as 3,500 strong, was almost split in half with people for and against the Massachusetts senator…” (Herald Star, 9/12/04)
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February 17th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
yikes -
February 17th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Clinton’s underlying point is an important one. Most pro-lifers trip over their own feet whenever they are asked how laws that prohibit abortion are going to be enforced. If you want to outlaw abortion and have any kind of success, you’re going to have to start punishing the women who have them. If you only punish doctors, the only thing you’ll accomplish is creating a market for abortions assisted by individuals who are not licensed to practice medicine.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
You punish the doctors and anyone who performs an illegal abortion.
But I’m starting to think that Conservatives are going about the stopping of abortion the wrong way. Why not just a law to define conception as the start of life? Its not something that can be overturned by the court, and since there are people sitting on death row for the murder of a fetus, its not without legal backing. Abortions to save the health and life of the mother would remain legal because of self-defense laws (a person can use force up to and including deadly force to protect themselves from another person), and, although it would require another law, there would be more than enough support to keep abortions legal in cases of rape.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Awesome report Billy!
February 17th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
You punish the doctors and anyone who performs an illegal abortion.
What if it’s the woman herself?
February 17th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
A show of temper and passion is normal.
A smooth speaker like BO is scary.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
In the highly unlikely case that a woman would perform an abortion on herself then yes she should see to some form of discipline or punishment, because she is taking the life of the child. Although in most cases when mothers kill their children they seem to have mental health problems. besides their are other factors that have to be looked at. you can’t just propose a simple question with a difficult situation and expect a clear answer.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Bryan Blambert,
It’s not that hard to self-abort. If she can be punished for “taking the life of the child” why shouldn’t she be punished for paying someone else to take the life of her child?
February 17th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
“You punish the doctors and anyone who performs an illegal abortion.”
Because it’s murder, right? But if I hire someone to commit a murder, then I’m guilty of the murder, too. That’s a well-established principle.
You have to be consistent — if abortion is murder, then a woman who has an abortion is guilty of murder.
Do you have the courage of your convictions or not?
February 17th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I’ll be yet another voice to chime in here in defense of Bill Clinton.
Not only is a woman an accessory, but the “murder” is PREMEDITATED. If you think it’s murder, then you MUST be for the death penalty (or life imprisonment, if you’re against the death penalty) for the mother.
More constructively: If you’d stop calling abortion murder, and start opposing late-term abortions on humanitarian grounds, and you argued that the legal line should be drawn earlier and earlier in pregnancy, then you’d actually SAVE MORE FETUSES and get people to go along with you. If fetuses were ACTUALLY what you cared about.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
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February 17th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
yeah, y’all got owned by a real pro.
The enforcement hypocrisy of the pro-life movement is something that rarely gets heard in the debates.
Now you gave him an opening to state the argument.
You probably managed to set your movement back quite a bit, in the minds of everyone who was there, or who sees the video. No one is going to support imprisonment or the death penalty for women who contract out the murder of their embryos. And given that y’all have insisted for so long in using that rhetoric, you’ve painted yourself into an impossible corner.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
“I gave you the answer. We disagree with you,� Clinton said. “You wanna criminalize women and their doctors and we disagree… I reduced abortion… Tell the truth, tell the truth… If you were really pro-life, if you were really pro-life, you would want to put every doctor and every mother as an accessory to murder in prison. And you won’t say you wanna do that because you know that because you know that you wouldn’t have a lick of political support.
Um. This is true.
If you think abortion is murder, then by that logic, the woman and the doctor should be tried for first-degree murder and given the death penalty or life in prison.
February 17th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
It must be tough to be Bill Clinton right now. It’s pretty hard to lose. He may have lashed out for a number of reasons, but misunderstanding the pro-life philosophy isn’t one of them. Bill Clinton was pro-life while Governor of Arkansas but then became pro-choice when he wanted to earn the Democratic nomination for President. Al Gore and Dick Gephardt did similar things. People act like Mitt Romney was the first politican in the world to change his mind on abortion. He most certainly wasn’t, and at least he changed his mind in the right direction. However, I commend future President John McCain for respecting life from day one. He might have more respect for life than the likes of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama would because he has been through a lot more than they have in their life. When you have suffered as much as McCain did as a POW, you come to value life more.
February 18th, 2008 at 12:22 am
I suspect that pro-life people are unwilling to advocate the jailing of a woman who aborts her fetus/child for one or both of two reasons:
a. They’re not really quite as certain of their position as they profess to be; and/or,
b. They recognize that such a position is politically impractical.
I have no problem with such thinking, since it is approximately where I am on this issue. I am ambivalent and uncertain about what’s right, and I am a political pragmatist. I therefore compromise and temporize.
My objection to the more strident pro-lifers is that they get holier-than-thou with folks like me (and even with John McCain, who’s almost 100% on their side), while they forgive themselves for their own compromises and temporizing.
February 18th, 2008 at 12:24 am
People act like Mitt Romney was the first politican in the world to change his mind on abortion. He most certainly wasn’t,
You know things have gotten bad in the Rombot camp when they start defending Romney by saying that he was like Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Dick Gephardt!
February 18th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Being disrupting at political events, even if it’s a Democrat like Clinton, is just wrong. Protest outside, get people in to ask questions, but let the man have his word in peace. Democracy doesn’t function when people don’t let the candidates, or their surrogates, speak to the people and ask for their vote.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:22 am
Nice work Billy!
FWIW, during the ‘96 campaign I was also part of a group of people who held opposing signs in the first few rows at a Clinton rally.
Back then, he was at least gracious about it. It was as though he was trying to reach out to us, and bring us into the fold.
Contrast to 2008.
The assessments of Clinton being out of practice are dead on.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:41 am
Good work, Billy. We need to confront these pro-abortion Democrats whenever they come into our parts of the nation.
Clinton is left in the contradictory position of arguing that abortions are bad and we need to reduce them, but Clinton then turns around defending abortion as if there was nothing wrong with it.
Any woman who would kill her unborn baby does need to be locked away so she can’t kill anyone else.
February 18th, 2008 at 3:07 am
Any woman who would kill her unborn baby does need to be locked away so she can’t kill anyone else.
See? You’re honest. I can at least respect you for your honesty; your fellow “pro-lifers” are generally cowards that refuse to take such a position, which is the only logically sound one.
February 18th, 2008 at 4:30 am
Lol you put out a press release?
Funniest thing I think I have ever heard!
February 18th, 2008 at 5:23 am
Thank you Mr. Valentine for organizing this rally against the former President. He needs to know that We do not approve of his extreme Leftist policies. Thank you also for helping to keep our great state in the RED column.
February 18th, 2008 at 7:57 am
Ohio Joe:
Extreme policies?? Putting doctors and women in jail is not extreme?
That was not an outburst but he was showing passion, regardless of whether you agree with him or not.
February 18th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Pity Bill Clinton and his cronies. He knows full well that abortion is wrong, yet he goes along with the old worn out eugenics movement advocating compassion for people who want to kill human life. He claims that we pro-lifers want to put all women who abort and their doctors in prison.. yet he fails to point out that abortion itself does exactly that! It imprisons a woman for life and is a major cause of depression & suicide for them. It is no accident that support for life is increasing in America… people are waking up to the fact that therapeutic abortion is a lie in the long run as it destroys not only a baby, but, over time, its mother as well. It’s too bad the left wing media and the leftists don’t recognize that the tide is turning against their position. People are becoming wise to this barbaric nonsense… the leftists, unfortunately, are not.
February 18th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Abortion is murder plain and simple. I still dont understand how
legally a person can be charged with murder for a baby dying while
beating the mother but the mother can purposely kill the same baby
but that is not illegal. That is nuts.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:35 am
TLG, I did not compare Romney to Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Dick Gephardt. I said that all changed their mind on abortion, but Romney (like Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush by the way) at least changed it in the right direction.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:53 am
The idea of protect of all life from conception to natural death is not a political slogan but includes the mother. A doctor is to do no harm and to protect life. It was Clinton during his adminstration that put into laws that tried to put pro-life activitist in jail and finicially tried to destroy these people lives under the RICO laws. So who is honest.? Clinton or pro-lifers?
February 18th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Here’s a question for those who view any abortion as murder. After conception, it is unlikely that a woman will know whether or not she is pregnant for quite a while. She may or may not do things that might harm a developing embryo during that period, which may cause her to have a spontaneous abortion. Under such circumstances should she be charged with involuntary manslaughter, or something like that?
February 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Big S,
What you describe would be called a miscarriage. Miscarriages are a natural (albeit very sad) bodily action, so of course they would not be considered involuntary manslaughter. To the best of my knowledge, people have never been charged for miscarriages, even when abortions were widely illegal, unless they purposedly caused them. There is nothing natural about the intentional killing of a child through abortion, however, so if it became illegal, people that intentionally seek and obtain abortions, along with those that intentionally provide them, should be prosecuted just like they would be for breaking any other laws.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
You pro-lifers keep spouting off with your holier than thou attitudes and you’ll succeed in reminding women, who are overwhelming pro-choice, what the GOP stands for. You won’t have many women left in your party then.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Casey,
Basically, both men and women are split 50-50 into pro-choice and pro-life positions. After all, with abortion there are two victims: the child that has lost its life and the mother that knows that she caused this to occur.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Actually, the last time I saw the numbers, women were much more likely to be pro choice, especially in the first trimester.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
“Any woman who would kill her unborn baby does need to be locked away so she can’t kill anyone else.”
Hah! Thats pretty funny. Shall this be the new conservative principle on crime?
That the concept of punishment is not relevant to dealing with criminals? That the only reason one locks people away is to protect society from another crime?
And, of course, it should be pointed out that leaving a woman free, rather than locking her up in a woman’s prison, most certainly raises the probability that she will get pregnant again and maybe abort again.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Please excuse that last comment. My brain fart.
I misinterpreted the comment on first reading.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
While there are some geographical variations, in the country as a whole, Women are actually slightly more Pro-Life than men. Sure, there will be a few people leave the Republican party. They are free to go. In the end, more people will come to our party than go. Most people are fed up with such extreme Left Wing policies from the Democrats. Either Obama or Clinton will probably go the same way as Albert Gore or John Kerry. I cannot speak for the other 49 states, but Ohio is not in favor of such extreme Left Wing policies. While it will be close in November, the GOP has the edge to keep the state Red. Thank you Mr. Valentine for your efforts to promote our party in this important State.
February 18th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
McCain - Huckabee is the best ticket for the GOP.
Unless you want Hillary - Obama to enforce Roe v Wade for another 30 years…
The demographic winter is coming to the US.
Aging workforce.
geocities(dot)com/demographic_crash
February 18th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Pro-abortionists are hypocites!
Why is Clinton proud in claiming to have reduced abortions if it is not murder?
Meanwhile, Clinton’s claim that mothers who kill their pre-born babies and doctor’s who perform abortions must be charged with a crime is a red herring.
Under our postivistic legal system not all evil actions are crimes. Moreover, committing a crime and being charged with a crime are 2 different things. Clinton, with his fine line definition of “is” and sexual activity should know that. But, perhaps he wants to prey on people’s ignorance.
If the present corrupt laws allowing the murder of innocent human life in the womb and partially born (ie abortion) is changed, then those involved in abortion can be charged, but not retroactively. [Former slaveholders weren't prosecuted after slavery was abolished.]
Finally, pro-aborts always changed the subject from the basic issues.
The basic issues are plain: one of fact and one of moral evaluation.
Fact: At conception these is a new life.
If the parents are human, the new life is human.
That new human life is innocent.
Moral Evaluation: It is a murder to kill innocent human beings.
The new human life in the womb is an innocent human being.
Therefore, it is murder to kill the innocent human life in the womb.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
“If you think abortion is murder, then by that logic, the woman and the doctor should be tried for first-degree murder and given the death penalty or life in prison.”
Not so. Anyone who is familiar with the legal system, knows that the punishment can be tempered by circumstance. A young woman who was emotionally coerced to get an abortion by her boyfriend to kill her child does not warrant the same punishment as a hardened serial killer. People in this thread are trying to analyze this in a vacuum, posing hypotheticals. But the reality can mitigate a sever punishment, even though it is still technically first degree murder. Context is very important, more so than technicality.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:44 am
If it’s made illegal, then at that point anyone intentionally getting an abortion would be committing murder, by definition (murder is the unlawful killing of another human being, usually involving some sort of intent). However, anyone who had an abortion before that point wouldn’t be guilty of murder, unless the law were retroactive.
The idea of it being murder is not radical. For example, pre-1970’s laws tended to be much more restrictive - anyone know how many women went to jail for getting an abortion in the 70 years before the U.S. federal government mandated legality until viability?
February 19th, 2008 at 6:11 am
I think it is very easy to be pro-life and not believe the women who have abortions be locked up for murder. Many women who have abortions are victims too. These women are victims of a society that have legalized the mass murder of the unborn. These women are victims by so-called feminists who attack the most feminine of all traits-motherhood. This is not to say, of course, that if you do not have children you are not feminine-I am just saying that there is no thing that is more uniquely feminine than carrying a child and becoming a mother. These women are also victims of a money making machine. Lets face it if abortion was not profitable it would be a non-issue. Abortion is big business, just ask NOW, Planned Parenthood and NARAL.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:01 am
“Anyone who is familiar with the legal system, knows that the punishment can be tempered by circumstance.”
Agreed — but that’s a matter of a mitigating circumstance that could result in a lighter sentence, but the crime would still be murder.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Clinton’s version was just one of several. If you really thought the government was allowing the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings in your country every year, would you really just sit around and complain about it - maybe hold a sign outside one of the killing centers?
People don’t seem to be acting like it’s equivalent to killing a born human being. Why is that?
February 19th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Again, the abortionists try to change the focus.
Action or lack of action does not change a fact. And the fact is that abortion is the legalized murder of an innocnet human being.
Let me ask, when human beings were being killed in Nazi concentration camps or the gulags what did citizens do? What about in Rwanda? The UN troops were in the country at the time, yet the killing went on. What are we doing now about Darfur?
Not seeing the violence for oneself tends to make people apathetic.
Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood spends millions of dollars to prevent women and the public at large from knowing what really happens in abortion.
What do abortionists suggest Pro-Lifers do when the law is corrupt? Remember, unlike pro-aborts who are quick to snuff out “inconvenient” human beings, pro-lifers also value the human dignity of those who perform abortions and so do not advocate using violence against them.
Pro-Lifers, meanwhile, do what they can within the law to overturn the corrupt law which sanctions the murder.
How many have been arrested for peaceful protests! How many have been mistreated in their civil disobedience! That’s because Planned Parenthood and pro-aborts have convinced politicians to make laws such that the false right to abort trumps the consitiutional right to free speech and assembly.
February 19th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
43. Bruce T, “Pro-Lifers, meanwhile, do what they can within the law to overturn the corrupt law which sanctions the murder.”
Poland and Rwanda are different countries … you need an analogy that’s closer to home. When people are in danger of being killed in the States, people spring in to action, donating time, effort, and money to the cause.
Most pro-lifers actually do fairly little - maybe a little donation here and there, a protest once or twice a year. There is a relatively small group of pro-lifers who do more, but the large majority … ?
February 20th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
The women who perform abortions either by themselves or with doctor’s help are victims too. Some out of desperation, some out of ignorance. I think is clear how giving an ultrasound to those who want to have an abortion, a lot of times change their minds. Sometimes counseling change their minds too but a mother who wants to kill her baby can’t be natural! What they need is help! No doctors, lawyers or jails. This is not a third world country where desperation take people to extremes, this is USA, the biggest, richest country of the world, we can not look the other way and let our brother and sisters alone in despair! Some groups try to sell abortion as the solution for women with and unplanned pregnancy but I heard that after the abortion, nothing is the same, I can’t imagine the pain of a mother after she was told that thing was not a bay but a bunch of cells and later figure out, she just killed her baby!