It has become something of a pastime among polling geeks like myself to use Jay Cost’s primary vote calculator to predict the outcome of the Democratic race. Most who have played with it have come up with some kind of scenario where Hillary leads in the popular vote.
Now, I don’t mean to pat myself on the back, but a few days before Jay’s calculator came out, I had my own estimate coming to this conclusion. But this calculator provides some more concrete ways of estimating the popular vote. Let’s look at this in more detail (especially given all the calls for Hillary to drop out).
Before we do a state-by-state assessment, people who followed me from myelectionanalysis.com know about my obsession with political geography. In case you didn’t know, I’ve hand-programmed maps for every congressional election going back to 1972, with about half the states going back to their origins. I love maps and their use at displaying political data. This Hillary-Obama race gives a perfect opportunity to analyze along these lines.
OVERVIEW
So, let’s look at this map:

Take a close look at this map. It is the Hillary/Obama results on a county-by-county basis for the states that have voted in primaries east of the Mississippi and that border states that have not yet held primaries (plus AL, MS, and GA, for educational purposes). The bluest counties are counties that she carried with at least 60% of the vote; the greenest counties are counties that he carried with at least 60%.
Looking on a county-by-county basis gives us a better idea what may happen in upcoming elections than the state-by-state vote. States are large, diverse places, while counties tend to be more compact and uniform, and can hence give us a better idea what is going on on the micro level.
One of the most common arguments against Hillary’s ability to win the popular vote, and hence have an argument to present to Superdelegates, has been the fact that she hasn’t won over 60% of the popular vote in more than a handful of states. To win the popular vote, she will have to win over 60% of the popular vote in at least a couple of states, maybe more. Contrary to many people, I think this is possible, given this map.
Take a look at some things. First, take a look at Illinois. One common story is that he will have the advantage in Indiana because it borders Illinois. There is probably some truth to this, due to spillover media. But look closer. In truth, Hillary carried large portions of Southern Illinois. Obama’s huge advantage was built almost entirely in the Northern section of the state, near Wisconsin (which he also won big). As he got further South, he wasn’t able to carry that portion of the state, even with his “home state advantage.” In Southern Indiana — where (at least) two of the state’s nine Congressional districts are located — districts with heavy Democratic registration among white, rural voters — Hillary will have a large base of operations. But more on that later.
Also, look at MS, AL, and GA. These states are often thought to be purely Obama country. But this map shows that Hillary did quite well in the Northern portions of those states. The same is true of Western Virginia. Again, more later. This is just to set the stage.

South Carolina is a little more difficult, since it is a three-way race. I added a red tint for Johnny Reid Edwards’ performance in the counties. We can still see the same basic trend — as we get farther from the coast, the counties tend to get less green (except for the awesomely-named Horry County in the Northern-East section of the state — Fertile . . . I mean, Myrtle Beach is there (home of many senior week escapades), and the county as a whole is whiter than the surrounding areas).
Now part of what is going on here is the so-called black belt which runs from Texas across to Virginia. Originally named for the black, fertile soil, it has since become an appropriate descriptor for the racial composition of the counties as well. Looking at this map:

We can see the nice correlation between skin color and Obama’s performance. Obama did not fare well in Northeast MS, Northern AL, and Northern GA (as well as Western VA) at least in part because there is such slight AA presence there.
Indeed, consider this blowup map of MS.

Note how Obama performed best in the areas in the West and middle of the state — in the Northeast and Southeast, his performance was not as strong. These also happen to be the whitest portions of the state.
But that can’t be the entire story. After all, WI is almost uniformly white, and Obama performed well there. He did well in portions of Ohio.
But there is another aspect to this as well. Consider Virginia. Here is a blow-up of how the state voted.

Now, let’s try something different. Let’s overlay a topographic map of the state with the voting map.

And now the trend becomes clearer. As we get into mountainous country, into Appalachia, Obama’s percentages, even in good states, drops precipitously.
In Mississippi, we see a similar result:

Here, the Delta region is plain as punch; when the hills start, we start to also see Obama’s vote share drop (this is mitigated in the south-central portion of the state due to the aforementioned black belt running through). Thus, it isn’t just the whiteness of districts, it is white, poor, Appalachian counties that constitute Hillary’s wheelhouse. Now again, this isn’t anything new. Its just that the maps drive home just how stark this divide is.
So what does this mean for us. Well, consider THIS map:

The black line traces the exact contours of Appalachia, according to the United States Government. You can see the nearly perfect correlation here with Hillary’s vote performance. The correlation is scary in some states, particularly Ohio, Georgia (where the Atlanta suburbs provide the only mitigation) and Virginia; in most states it gives a pretty good description of where Obama starts to have a chance Note: TN is all blue, save for the Southwest portion and the greater Nashville area in the center. This is because, although Appalachia stops east of Nashville, you are still very much in hill country until you get to the western third of the state, where Obama at least occasionally has a good showing. BTW, did you know that Northwest TN was Davy Crockett’s old district? True story.
Anyway, this map doesn’t tell the full extent of the story — in many of the TN, OH, and VA counties, Hillary was well over 60% of the vote, even reaching 90% in one Virginia county. In other words, even though she hasn’t reached 60% of the vote in many states, she’s done it in several counties. The question is: Are there states with enough Appalachian counties left to push her across the 60% threshold? I think the map above tells us “perhaps so.”
Given this background, let’s return to Jay’s calculator.
Pennsylvania
Jay’s default is the 63%-of-the-Kerry vote turnout that has been the norm for closed primaries to date (and let us be clear — this just Jay’s default, not his actual judgment). I think this is unlikely to be the case. I think it will be much higher. PA is going to be the center of the political universe for the next few months. It is the only game in town. The GOTV operations will be in full swing. And people have been registering and switching parties at a furious pace. I am going to put it turnout at 80% — closer to an open primary.
As for the predicted results, I will go ahead and use the estimate from this excellent blog at MyDD. I think it is an excellent analysis. I happen to think that it is a little bit generous to Obama in its classifications. Consider that in the RCP average, he has been flatlined at around 36% for almost a month now. Indeed, he has never been above 43% of the vote here in any poll. Hillary’s numbers have bounced around significantly.
I have seen numbers like this before, and it was the Bush-Kerry race, where Kerry was usually static around 46, 47 percent of the vote, while Bush bounced around. It is common in races where people aren’t sold on the “incumbent,” but aren’t sure about the challenger. In the end, the incumbent usually gets his or her votes. This is why last-minute voters break so heavily for Hillary. Throw in a modest Bradley effect, and she could win here by over 20 points.
Regardless, let’s assume 80% turnout, with a 16-point Hillary win, and let’s move on.
Indiana
People are assuming that Obama will do well in Indiana, in part because of the close proximity to the Chicago media market. We can test this somewhat. Take a look at Western MO.

Looking at this, I am fairly confident that Obama did not enjoy any significant spillover in “home state” support. I can tell much more easily where St. Louis and the University of Missouri are located than I can Illinois. There is some “greening” of the map as we move further North, but we would expect this, given results in IA and WI. This is consistent with what we saw in Illinois as well, except that the state as a whole was biased toward Obama (as one would expect from his home state), so downstate was still somewhat green. NOTE: You could do this for WI as well, but it will be hopelessly biased, since the counties bordering IL comprise the great Milwaukee and Madison areas. But even here, his performance in counties bordering IL runs about 10% below what they did in Illinois counties just across the border.
So I don’t accept much of a spillover. Moreover, I suspect that the eighth and ninth districts in the South will go heavily for Clinton, though the University of Indiana may give him a bit of a boost in the Ninth. Moreover, looking at the Ohio maps, she ran about ten points ahead of Obama in the counties bordering IN — which bodes well for his performance in the Sixth and Third. The Fourth and Fifth are harder to predict, though given their small-town and rural feel, I would guess there would be a good turnout.
Many have speculated that Obama will do well in the First and the Seventh. I suspect he will do well in the latter (Indianapolis). Marion county is about 1/4 black, and much of the inner suburban area is in this district.
But what about the First, with Gary? In truth, Lake County is about 26% black. But the rest of the county is ethnic whites — not exactly Obama’s wheelhouse. Moreover, there is a long history of racial tension here, with the current congressman, Peter Visclosky, defeating an appointed AA representative back in the 80s, much to the chagrin of local AAs. In short, I’m not sure how many votes Obama really gets here.
Which to my mind, shapes up to a Clinton win. I will call it 8%, but that is just a guess, and I am guessing that it is on the pro-Obama side.
North Carolina
North Carolina is an exceedingly difficult state to predict. As Jay Cost has noted, it is demographically varied, and has several population centers. I agree with him. So I will guesstimate. Looking at my map above, it is more Appalachian than South Carolina by far — the region only grazes the northeastern tip of that state (where Obama did his worst by far). It is more so than Virginia or Georgia as well. Adjusting for the greater App. presence (three Congressional districts — 1/4 of the state’s total — fall largely within the region) let’s bring Obama’s margin down from the 63% or so he got in GA and VA to around 59%.
Now you have to remove NoVa and Atlanta. Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, and the Piedmont Triangle (Winston Salem, etc), have about 1M people. NoVa has about 2.5M, 1M alone of whom are located in Fairfax County. There is nothing on this scale in North Carolina. The three large NC areas are more akin to areas like Hampton and Richmond in terms of their impact on the state, which still went heavily for Obama, but weren’t responsible for his margin — that came from NoVa. Add in that the state is much whiter than GA (about ten points), and I think a 12-point Obama win is reasonable.
Now we come to WVA and KY. Here is where Hillary gets her big wins. WV is entirely Appalachian. It is one of the whitest states in the country. It is also one of the poorest. And the most Democratic in terms of registration. Hillary routinely won upwards of 70% of the vote in neighboring counties — in fact, I believe she has carried every county which borders the state except for six counties in VA (one of which is Loudon, a DC suburb).
Charleston is something of a population center, but it is more like Knoxville in TN, where Obama pulled even, but no more. Add in gritty blue collar towns like Wheeling, Morgantown, and Huntington, and it is not impossible to imagine a 70%+ Hillary result. But let’s call it more in the mid 60s — say 65%, for a 30% win.
Kentucky
KY is similar. Remember, Hillary did well in Southern Illinois, and walloped Obama in Southeast Missouri. She received around 80% of the vote in several counties along the TN-KY border. And Southern Ohio was Hillary country as well.
He will likely perform strongly in Louisville and the Cincinnati suburbs, and may have a good show in Lexington. But the 1st (Jackson Purchase), 2nd (Pennyrile) and Fifth (Appalachia) will be big Obama Clinton counties. The “Old Seventh,” which is basically an extension of West Virginia will run up huge Hillary margins. And notice that in KY, rural counties make up entire Congressional districts.
Basically, I think we’re looking at a strong Hillary showing on the order of 15-20%. Maybe higher. We’ll call it 20% and move on.
Miscellany
I will go ahead and use Jay’s defaults of 10 point Obama wins in MT and SD, and a 5-point win in OR. To tell the truth, I have no idea what will happen in these states. Yes, Obama crushed in caucuses in neighboring states, but they were caucuses. These are primaries. I have no frame of reference here. MT in particular is difficult to predict, since there is a heavy blue collar Dem base in the unionized, mountainous West. OR is whiter and poorer than CA or WA, and Hillary did well in the non-binding WA primary (at least compared to the caucus result). Regardless, these are small states. Leave them as is.
Puerto Rico
That leaves Puerto Rico as the wild card. No one knows what will happen here. The Democratic and Republican parties don’t exist in the state. Hillary has the support of most of the politicians here; Obama had the Governor, but he was just indicted. Moreover, it is dicey using results from Mexican-Americans in TX and AZ here; Puerto Ricans are different culturally, linguistically, and even ethnically.
Then again, PR has a strong connection with NY, and she performed well in the PR community in her primary, as well as in Hudson county in New Jersey. I haven’t seen any indication that Obama has performed well with Puerto Ricans anywhere. And there’s the FALN pardons. So Cost’s 25% victory for Hillary sounds about right, maybe even conservative.
That leaves the question of turnout. This is the million dollar question. We have no way of knowing how many people will turn out. The island has 4M people. Cost put his default at 1M. I think it will almost certainly be higher. In 2004, turnout for the delegate to the Congress — a non-voting member — resulted in 2 million votes cast. FOR A NON-VOTING MEMBER. Imagine the excitement — in a state where American party labels mean nothing — to be able to pick a President. I think the 2004 delegate race is a floor. We’ll set it there, understanding that it might go higher.
Conclusion
All told, this gives Hillary around a 100K margin of victory, using Obama’s best count system (use caucus estimates, don’t us FL or MI). In truth, I think the best system credits FL — both were on the ballot, neither campaigned, and even though the delegates don’t count, the votes were still cast. Under this count, she wins by almost a half million votes — exactly Gore’s popular vote win over Bush.
And therein lies the rub. Are the Democrats, who still feel victimized by 2000, going to go with the person who very narrowly won the bizarre system of delegate allocations? Who won because of Texas’ primacaucus, and the refusal to seat FL and MI?
But then again, are they going to not nominate the AA who won the most delegates? Or will they gamble on the notion that AAs will still turn out Democrat, or will at worst stay home, while the women and blue collar Dems who supported Hillary might really vote for McCain?
It’s a mess for Democrats under that scenario. I don’t know what the Superdelegates will do. Heck, we don’t even know who all the Superdelegates are at this point! But she has a reasonable pathway to get to this point. And once she gets there, it is anybody’s ballgame.
(BTW, also note that calling for her to drop out before PA, PR, KY and WV vote would be akin to asking Obama to drop out because he was trailing with GA, AL, and MS yet to vote. It’s cutting her off before literally her best states vote).
UPDATE: I should also add that this isn’t a prediction, it is a scenario. Predictions are foolish at this point. But I think it is a plausbile scenario, and it is why she continues to fight.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:07 am
Excellent analysis. Every day I hear the MSM whining about how this is all hurting the Democratic party and someone ought to tell Hillary she has no shot. This is just preposterous of course, because this analysis is hardly a flight of fancy. And, no matter how many times Howard Dean claims otherwise, there’s no good reason the super-delegates should follow the will of the “pledged delegates”. There are good arguments on all sides, and frankly I think Hillary has considerably stronger arguments then Obama if she comes out ahead in the popular vote without Florida or Michigan. She’ll have won all the big states, almost all the primary (as opposed to caucus) swing states, and a good 2/3’s of the states a Democrat actually has a chance of winning in November.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:25 am
Bosnia footage found! Hillary telling truth!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ekbcGS3KRbU
April 1st, 2008 at 12:31 am
wow, someone has way too much time on their hands.
seriously, though, this is a very impressive post. The maps, the analysis, especially that overlay of Appalachia as it pertains to PA, WV and KY.
This is as good as anything I’ve seen anywhere. You should email it to the Clinton Campaign, if only to buck up their spirits.
And again you also mention Puerto Rico. The idea that Puerto Rico could end up playing a key role in this when it doesn’t even vote in November is absurd to me but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Hillary somehow campaigning in San Juan with Bill and Rita Moreno and J Lo. Can you imagine the reaction from the media and the lefty blogs(Kos and all the rest) if she nets say 350,000 and overtakes Obama in the popular vote based on Puerto Rico?
I think a double digit win in PA by Hillary will totally change things and set her up for big wins in IN, WV and KY. She’ll close it out with a big win Puerto Rico, and go to Denver to fight it out.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:18 am
Dear Howard Dean,
How’s your job security? I gotta hand it to you! It was a brilliant, career enhancing move to give Guam more of a say in who is allowed to run for president than Florida and Michigan combined.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:55 am
It would shock me if Obama got more than 35% of the vote in Kentucky.
The polling I’ve seen indicates he’s more likely to get 25-30% of the vote here.
In statewide polling McCain beats Obama by 7% among DEMOCRATS.
If only 40% of Democrats are willing to vote for Obama against McCain how many do you think will vote for Obama against Hillary?
April 1st, 2008 at 3:31 am
Dude! Like you said Sean, we’ll have to wait and see how it goes. However, you just earned a job as my conservative version of “John King” if I ever get my own political show (that means you get to run the cool interactive monitor and look 10 times smarter than everyone else on the CNN stage)!
I think this is great analysis, and I hope others on the web pick up on your work.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:19 am
I second that. I think Hillary has a decent shot also. I even bought some shares of her in the Iowa Electronic Markets.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:52 am
I really thought that Hillary was going to pull away here in the last few weeks until her Bosnia snafu. I really think she had Obama on the ropes at that point.
Luckily for both of them there haven’t been any contests through their bad PR moments.
We’ll have to see what breaks in the next few weeks.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:32 am
Wild Onions grow in mountaineous regions, boyz.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:50 am
Yeoman’s work. I love this.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
What? What about Oregon, South Dakota and Guam? Those primaries will erase whatever lead Hillary could possibly (but unlikely) build in the states you’ve mapped out.
April 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 am
Nice work, Sean.
What you have written prompts me to offer the following thoughts on the success of Obama and why it seems to be confusing so many MSM pundits.
Here is a picture of the Democratic Party since 1968. It consists of three voters:
First, there is Mrs. Waslewski (maiden name McLaughlin) of Lorain, Ohio. Her husband used to be factory worker, but now does odd contracting jobs. Her mortgage is paid off, but one of her grown kids is struggling with an ARM. She drinks beer, belongs to a bowling league, and gets to Mass roughly 36 out of 52 Sundays of the year, plus most holy days of obligation.
Then there is Mr. Ross of Bennington, VT. He has at least one post-graduate degree and works either for a university or a foundation. He is in the upper quintile of national income, and is nominally in the private sector, though his economic position is not assured, and is hugely dependent on decision-makers in the publice sector (both federal and state) seeing his work as important, and adopting programs that, either directly or indirectly, create a demand for that work. He drives a Volkswagen (tuned to NPR), drinks good quality white wine, and never goes to church except for events that have some kind of “progressive” angle. He likes to think that he is a “new” Democrat not wedded to the New Deal — though what that usually amounts to in practice is simply supporting the funding studies to come up with innovative rationales for updated variations on the the New Deal.
Finally, there is Mrs. Boozer (nee Williams) of Chicago, IL. Despite her unfortunate married surname, neither she nor her late husband ever drank alcohol at all. She is an African-American woman who attends Church twice a week. She is an aide in a municipally-owned hospital, and was recently elected as an officer of her union local. Of her five children, three work for the City, one is deceased, and one ran into some bad luck and is temporarily incarcerated.
There you have the entire modern Democratic Party. Now let us look at their voting history.
In 1968, Waslewski supported Humphrey, Ross supported McCarthy, and Boozer supported Kennedy. After RFK was shot, Boozer supported Humphrey with no problem; McCarthy did not resonate with her at all.
In 1972, Waslewski supported first Muskie, and then Humphrey. Ross was an enthusiastic backer of McGovern. Boozer supported Shirley Chisholm, but, as between McGovern and Humphrey, felt a good deal more kinship with Humphrey.
In 1976, Ross put a Udall bumper sticker on his VW, but later changed it to Jerry Brown. Waslewski initially liked Jackson, then settled on Carter. Boozer liked Carter from the start.
In 1980, Waslewski and Boozer both at first considered Ted Kennedy, but then both decided on Carter. Ross stuck with Kennedy right through the convention, and even wound up voting for John Anderson.
In 1984, Ross was behind Gary Hart, while Waslewski supported Mondale. Boozer supported Rev. Jackson, but when the choice came down to Mondale or Hart, she had no question. She supported Mondale, as she regarded Hart as just another Gene McCarthy, who did not seem to speak to her concerns at all.
In 1988, Boozer was again behind Jesse Jackson, and Ross supported Dukakis. Waslewski leaned toward Gephardt, but wound up supporting Dukakis in order to defeat Jackson.
In 1992, after the field got narrowed a bit, Waslewski and Boozer both supported Clinton, while Ross supported Tsongas.
In 2000, it was similar. Waslewski and Boozer supported Gore, while the VW sported a Bradley sticker.
In 2004, Ross supported first Dean, then Kerry, while Waslewski supported Edwards. Boozer could not resist supporting Moseley-Braun, but later rooted for Edwards against Kerry.
Common pattern? Just one. The alliance had always been either Waslewski and Boozer against Ross, or else (as in 1988) Waslewski and Ross against Boozer.
There had never been a coalition of Ross and Boozer against Waslewski. (Not even in 1972 — which was the year in which it came closest to happening.)
Until Obama came along.
Obama remarkably bridges the gap betweeen the Gary Hart voters in lily-white places such as Vermont, Maine, suburban CT, rural Kansas, and upscale enclaves such as Boulder, CO, with Jesse Jackson voters in such places as central Mississippi and Alabama, Memphis, Portsmouth, VA, Chicago, St. Louis, and Baltimore.
Ann Arbor and Detroit have united against Macomb County. Princeton and Newark against Secaucus.
The long-term effects may be significant, and perhaps troubling. But what will be the shortterm effect of this shift? I would put my money on Macomb County and Secaucus. McCain will win, probably with about 316 electoral votes. Possibly with a lot more.
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:18 am
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:30 am
“Take a look at Western MO.”
Isn’t that map emphasizing *eastern* MO?
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:37 am
plau·si·ble –adjective
1. having an appearance of truth or reason; seemingly worthy of approval or acceptance; credible; believable: a plausible excuse; a plausible plot.
2. well-spoken and apparently, BUT OFTEN DECEPTIVELY, worthy of confidence or trust: a plausible commentator.
your high on dope if you think it’s “plausible” she’ll win in PA by 20 pts.
April 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Great article! Please follow up in a couple months with all the counties filled in.
One tiny quibble: it is Indiana U., not the U of I.
April 5th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
“People are assuming that Obama will do well in Indiana, in part because of the close proximity to the Chicago media market.”
Uhm, perhaps in Lake County (1st district), but certainly not the rest of the state. Indiana has little love for Chicago — except for Lake County, where they badly want to be Chicago. I’m not sure how much IU (thanks, Jason, for beating me to it) will affect the 9th, since the liberals are highly concentrated in the Bloomington area, which is only a part of the district, a district that’s pretty conservative.
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