Actually, if you’re a Dem who thinks Obama is a general election loser, it would make sense to support that, so that the loss can be blamed on the 3rd-party run and not on liberalism itself.
I know I’m in the minority here on this - but I would enjoy MCCain/Hillary. It could definitely be a winner. There are things on which they agree (like a strong military, taking care of veterans, against torture) and I bet they could work some good compromises on other issues. I admire them both.
I can tell you that there are a bunch of Clinton supporters who hate Obama - know he is an empty suit, and a do nothing. They are ripe for the picking if McCain can figure a way to do it.
Hillary is doing too much Obama hugging at this point to run third party, or end up on the short end of a McCain/Hillary ticket. She wants the Veep badly, but is going about it the wrong way in my opinion. She certainly needs to keep shellacking Barack among working class whites, all the way to the convention, but she’d be better off being non-committal about how eager she’d be to support him if he’s the nominee. She needs to make it clear that Barack needs her; that her voters won’t vote for him except on her sayso. And to do that, she needs to make it clear enthusiastically backing him isn’t a sure a thing, which sends the message to her voters “maybe, you folks don’t have to vote for him either. We’ll see”. I’m almost wondering if Hillary actually does want Obama to win, with or without her on the ticket.
They want him to drop out, because they can’t envision voting for him in the general, and that’s the only way they can think to avoid voting for John McCain in the fall. Those are the hardcore anti-Obama Democrats. They’re not coming home in November.
6% want both of them to drop out. I guess that 6% includes the 7% who voted for John Edwards yesterday, 5 months after he dropped out of the race. It’s so wonderfully entertaining.
The problem is McCain’s getting saddled with a Republican party in government that’s coming apart at the seams. Bush has sacrificed executive competence over the last six years and Congress sacrificed all the things the big R was supposed to stand for when it made the pitch for power in 1994. I’m not sure any amount of Democratic self-destruction is going to be enough if the party doesn’t start getting its house in order — starting with endorsing a “McCain back to the basics”-type reform agenda on the core items like fiscal discipline.
I missed the part in the Contract with America about permanent seats, gratuitous earmarks, the K street strategy, scandal after scandal, etc. And whatever happened towards campaigning for a balanced budget amendment or the line item veto.
Here’s a quick recap of what’s wrong. Read the preamble below and see if you can find one line that accurately describes Congress from 2000-2008:
REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA
As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.
That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.
This year’s election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public’s money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.
Clinton supporters are no different than GOP voters who were swearing to not vote for McCain (or whomever). Many of them just can’t accept that she has lost, but she ran a bad campaign.
On CNN it was announced that McCain will tomorrow promise to have all combat troops out by the end of his first term. What happened to no timeline - sounds like a flip-flop? Is he panicking?
Perhaps Obama should google Ron Brown before agreeing to have Hillary as VP. If I was him I wouldn’t want her anywhere near the VP. People looking to JFK/LBJ model seem to forget how JFK ended up.
As for McCain and withdrawing from Iraq> Does he want to throw the election?
You probably do not realize that there are a lot of people (such as myself) who think Hillary Clinton is a crook, John McCain is a pompous ass, but who think Obama is a total fraud with no redeeming qualities (I prefer Clinton to McCain, and anyone but Cheney to Obama). I do not wish to start a flame-throwing contest here on this civilized blog. But I do want to point out that many blue-collar workers probably sense by now that Obama and his strongest supporters detest them for not falling quietly in line. It is very hard for one who is insulted as an uneducated racist to turn around and bestow his/her vote for a few scraps of silver. You see, they are voting for Clinton, even if they think she is dishonest. You can imagine what they think of Obama. a
It amazes me that anyone would call Hillary dishonest! She made a statement about Bosnia and the overhead gun fire…did you see them getting into a protective vehicle..and did you know that the President was very worried because of all the gunfire? Why in the hell didn’t the reporter that took that picture follow them further than getting off the plane?
Now..as for Obama…he has constantly lied..about his background with Resna..which can still come out..his helping the poor…when the housing that he helped create made millions for his friends..and went bankrupt and didn’t help the poor! The minister thing..etc. etc. he doesn’t care about the poor…he has made millions because of his rich friends..and to now wear the pin, in Kentucky stand behind a cross etc…America.. He is the biggest fraud that came down the pike..and the stupid voters don’t know it yet..but they will in the general..The republican’s and the swift boats will devistate him and his lies…you were fooled with gwb..and you will have more of the same with him..Why is the DNC behind him..they are treating Hillary and us..like a second class citizens…mostly worse..but my self and many others will change parties..to McCain..The Democratic Party has deserted the people..so maybe we will desert them..maybe even form a new party…OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE.
I don’t know that McCain saying we’ll have combat troops of Iraq by 2013 is a bad thing. He needs to say it. We as a party need to face reality. The war is killing our party. Period. One way or another we’re going to be out of there. Either McCain wins and he finds a way to extricate our troops with honor, hopefully leaving some sort of stability as we go, or the Democrats take the presidency, expand their margins in the House and Senate - and they withdraw sooner rather than later.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Heh, love the subhead.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Actually, if you’re a Dem who thinks Obama is a general election loser, it would make sense to support that, so that the loss can be blamed on the 3rd-party run and not on liberalism itself.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
I may be in the minority but I really think Hillary will still pull it out and win on the Democrat side.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Dude! 25% of Dems want Obama to drop out. Amazing.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
I always feared that if McCain and Hillary both lost their primaries, they would run together as a 3rd-party ticket.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I know I’m in the minority here on this - but I would enjoy MCCain/Hillary. It could definitely be a winner. There are things on which they agree (like a strong military, taking care of veterans, against torture) and I bet they could work some good compromises on other issues. I admire them both.
I can tell you that there are a bunch of Clinton supporters who hate Obama - know he is an empty suit, and a do nothing. They are ripe for the picking if McCain can figure a way to do it.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
“Dude! 25% of Dems want Obama to drop out. Amazing.”
LOL what are they on? That’s just foolish to wish the person who is winning the primary fight to drop out.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Hillary is doing too much Obama hugging at this point to run third party, or end up on the short end of a McCain/Hillary ticket. She wants the Veep badly, but is going about it the wrong way in my opinion. She certainly needs to keep shellacking Barack among working class whites, all the way to the convention, but she’d be better off being non-committal about how eager she’d be to support him if he’s the nominee. She needs to make it clear that Barack needs her; that her voters won’t vote for him except on her sayso. And to do that, she needs to make it clear enthusiastically backing him isn’t a sure a thing, which sends the message to her voters “maybe, you folks don’t have to vote for him either. We’ll see”. I’m almost wondering if Hillary actually does want Obama to win, with or without her on the ticket.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Sean M,
They want him to drop out, because they can’t envision voting for him in the general, and that’s the only way they can think to avoid voting for John McCain in the fall. Those are the hardcore anti-Obama Democrats. They’re not coming home in November.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
6% want both of them to drop out. I guess that 6% includes the 7% who voted for John Edwards yesterday, 5 months after he dropped out of the race. It’s so wonderfully entertaining.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
You are right Matthew. They can’t stand Obama, and they are not coming home in November. McCain must capitalize and get their votes. It’s doable.
Reading the blogs - this Edwards endorsement has some of them seething mad - they are threatening to vote for McCain, and are quitting the Dem party.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
The problem is McCain’s getting saddled with a Republican party in government that’s coming apart at the seams. Bush has sacrificed executive competence over the last six years and Congress sacrificed all the things the big R was supposed to stand for when it made the pitch for power in 1994. I’m not sure any amount of Democratic self-destruction is going to be enough if the party doesn’t start getting its house in order — starting with endorsing a “McCain back to the basics”-type reform agenda on the core items like fiscal discipline.
I missed the part in the Contract with America about permanent seats, gratuitous earmarks, the K street strategy, scandal after scandal, etc. And whatever happened towards campaigning for a balanced budget amendment or the line item veto.
Here’s a quick recap of what’s wrong. Read the preamble below and see if you can find one line that accurately describes Congress from 2000-2008:
REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA
As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.
That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.
This year’s election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public’s money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Clinton supporters are no different than GOP voters who were swearing to not vote for McCain (or whomever). Many of them just can’t accept that she has lost, but she ran a bad campaign.
On CNN it was announced that McCain will tomorrow promise to have all combat troops out by the end of his first term. What happened to no timeline - sounds like a flip-flop? Is he panicking?
May 14th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Pablo: Having no combat troops in Iraq is distinct from having no peacekeeping troops in Iraq.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Perhaps Obama should google Ron Brown before agreeing to have Hillary as VP. If I was him I wouldn’t want her anywhere near the VP. People looking to JFK/LBJ model seem to forget how JFK ended up.
As for McCain and withdrawing from Iraq> Does he want to throw the election?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:23 am
PabloZed,
You probably do not realize that there are a lot of people (such as myself) who think Hillary Clinton is a crook, John McCain is a pompous ass, but who think Obama is a total fraud with no redeeming qualities (I prefer Clinton to McCain, and anyone but Cheney to Obama). I do not wish to start a flame-throwing contest here on this civilized blog. But I do want to point out that many blue-collar workers probably sense by now that Obama and his strongest supporters detest them for not falling quietly in line. It is very hard for one who is insulted as an uneducated racist to turn around and bestow his/her vote for a few scraps of silver. You see, they are voting for Clinton, even if they think she is dishonest. You can imagine what they think of Obama. a
May 15th, 2008 at 2:20 am
McCain/Schrute 2008
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/05/dwight_schrute_accepts_mccains.html
May 15th, 2008 at 6:19 am
It amazes me that anyone would call Hillary dishonest! She made a statement about Bosnia and the overhead gun fire…did you see them getting into a protective vehicle..and did you know that the President was very worried because of all the gunfire? Why in the hell didn’t the reporter that took that picture follow them further than getting off the plane?
Now..as for Obama…he has constantly lied..about his background with Resna..which can still come out..his helping the poor…when the housing that he helped create made millions for his friends..and went bankrupt and didn’t help the poor! The minister thing..etc. etc. he doesn’t care about the poor…he has made millions because of his rich friends..and to now wear the pin, in Kentucky stand behind a cross etc…America.. He is the biggest fraud that came down the pike..and the stupid voters don’t know it yet..but they will in the general..The republican’s and the swift boats will devistate him and his lies…you were fooled with gwb..and you will have more of the same with him..Why is the DNC behind him..they are treating Hillary and us..like a second class citizens…mostly worse..but my self and many others will change parties..to McCain..The Democratic Party has deserted the people..so maybe we will desert them..maybe even form a new party…OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE.
May 15th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Sounds like sore losers to me. Have a pity party and move on.
May 15th, 2008 at 8:13 am
I don’t know that McCain saying we’ll have combat troops of Iraq by 2013 is a bad thing. He needs to say it. We as a party need to face reality. The war is killing our party. Period. One way or another we’re going to be out of there. Either McCain wins and he finds a way to extricate our troops with honor, hopefully leaving some sort of stability as we go, or the Democrats take the presidency, expand their margins in the House and Senate - and they withdraw sooner rather than later.