Palin is like the Poor Man’s Obama: little experience, few results, but photogenic. The only real difference is that she’s appealing to a far smaller group of people, and has not managed to break through to the public on her own. Instead, there’s a groups of pundits trying to push her into the spotlight.
#4, Big S, you forget that it took a little while for Obama to get into the limelight. He was pushed onto the national scene by a very sympathetic press corps.
For what its worth John Harwood said tonight that his reporting with the McCain campaign calls into question Romney as #1. Harwood said “the tie breaker” for McCain is who he gets along with. That suggests to me it will be someone he currently works with, or Huckabee who he got along with during the primary.
So the McCain camp calls into question Romney as #1 from Politico article, but does not when Kristol suggests Paplin on national television, two days in a row (full Fox segment today on Palin for VP).
#4, Big S, you forget that it took a little while for Obama to get into the limelight. He was pushed onto the national scene by a very sympathetic press corps.
You mean those who covered his 2004 convention speech? Or the ones who covered his win in the 2004 Senate race? Like it or not, there’s a huge gulf between Obama’s rise and what some conservative pundits are trying to do with Palin. The latter remind me of the “stage parents” who push their kids into talent competitions to try to get them into the spotlight, not noticing that they are sorely lacking in skill.
Big S, I know you’re not a big Palin fan. That’s fair, I’m not a Rudy fan. But isn’t it interesting how the national media covers almost every possible VP contender but Palin. The Fox video was the first real discussion of her as a contender. They probably don’t want to tout her b/c she has the potentiality to be big nationwide. Obama would be nothing without the press corps. That speech would’ve gone nowhere without the press corps touting it as equivalent to the Gettysburg Address.
Kristol
McCain and Palin? That will be the total number of Republicans in the GOP if big John does not get his act together. What is going on, friends, is amateur hour, a Major Bowles leftover from the forties when McCain was a young man. His campaign looks like a political march of the midgets next to Obama’s and it’s not all just money. You want to put Sara Palin a heart beat away from running a multi-trillion dollar business because she was the point guard on a state basketball team in 1982? Where is Alice now that we are all down the rabbit hole?
Palin’s advocates are making some pretty persuasive arguments lately, although I must say I am still skeptical. But she seems like a tough cookie and by all accounts had a very successful two terms as Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska which could be cited in the general election as evidence of strong executive experience.
FWIW, I heard that People Magazine was in Alaska to take photos of Sarah Palin and her family — apparently an article about her is in the works. That should raise her profile in the general population.
Rudy’s dirty laundry has been fully aired, and 99% of the electorate knows “America’s Mayor”. 99% of America has no idea who Sarah Palin is.
What’s funny is that when you click on that link you provided, the first story you see is “TIME 2001 Person of the Year: Rudy Giuliani.” And, the second one is a review by Time of Giuliani’s book Leadership, in which he said it was during his 1986 prosecution of corruption in the Parking Violations Bureau that he initially thought about running for mayor.
Aron, I love Rudy, what I was trying to show you was that he has positive and negative press.
How do you know “Rudy’s dirty laundry has been fully aired?”. How do you know that about any candidate?
Remember the weekend before the 2000 Presidential election where Bush’s DUI was uncovered in Maine? He was a 2 term Governor and was three days away from being elected POTUS. I do not agree with this; “they are fully vetted”. Yeah, so was Sen. candidate Ryan of Illinois until his estranged wife was nice to tell us about his creative, yet common, sexual habits.
BTW, on a personal note, I discovered today we share a business contact.
Anything dirty in Alaska gets aired. That political atmosphere is so tosic that one little slip up will be blown up into a career ending mistake (that’s why that “Bob and Mark” interview became such a big deal up there). The establishment up there is constantly trying to dig for dirt on Palin, they can’t find any. Trust me, the woman has been vetted, and the best that they can find is that she admitted trying marijuana once when it was legal in AK (she didn’t like it and wants to keep it illegal)
And on the “Bob and Mark” interview, I have never seen so much made out of a little giggle…especially since the woman in question (Lyda Green) pulled one of the lowest political stunts in history by denying Palin’s request to make her state-of-the-state address and force her to either cancel the address or miss her son’s graduation from boot camp the next day. I’ll cut Palin some slack on that interview…big time.
No LG, I was trying to send the awful article from the NYT that smear Rudy, but that they rectracted the next week on page 47. It was not true, it was character assas. do not believe an OP-ed piece.
22. If I remember right, Palin gave plenty of advance notice of wanting to change the time of her speech and didn’t hear anything back from Lyda Green until the day before the scheduled speech and after Palin’s family had already made reservations to fly south. Lyda Green’s approval ratings dropped so low she recently decided to not run for re-election.
I just listened to the radio clip and it was really strange. Maybe things like that happen in state gov’t and I am oblivious to it, but that interview struck me as childish. But at the same time I believe, just from what I heard, that Palin was right to be pissed and this Lyda Green must be a terrible public servant. But as is often the case neither party comes out smelling like roses.
Actually, it was Politico who smeared Rudy, but the Times buried the piece exonerating him, as you said, after it was too late, and the intended damage was done.
You’ve got me curious. Who’s the shared contact? Feel free to e-mail me if you’d rather not publicize it.
Palin for VP, for the record, I don’t think Sarah’s behavior was out of line in that interview. But, the last thing I’ll ever be accused of is being politically correct. I was more surprised by the uptight reaction by those in the local media and on the Anchorage Daily News’ message boards.
The Anchorage Daily News meesage boards are very entertaining, and mostly full of the 10% of Alaskans who don’t like her. If you thought that was bad, you should have seen their reaction to her pregnancy (they accused her of getting pregnant on purpose as a publicity stunt).
Regarding Palin vs. Lyda Green. . . Green (the GOP leader in the State House) has had it in for Palin since day 1. Despite trying desperately to cause Palin problems, she failed miserably. A few weeks ago Green announced she would not run for reelection, blaming her failure not on herself but on Palin’s popularity in her district (she and Palin are from the same district). The Bob and Mark thing barely made any waves up here, save for the kooks on the Daily News blogs. #27 above is correct to say those kooks are part of the tiny 10% who don’t like Palin. The other 90% of us think she’s great. Even concerning the current natural gas line project she is pushing, polls show that while voters are split on how they want the pipeline to proceed, the vast majority give Palin credit for leading the charge. Even political missteps seem to roll off her sleeve, as with the recent energy assistance program she proposed and then withdrew after polls showed many voters were against her specific plans. Voters still gave her credit for at least addressing the energy crisis (gas here in Anchorage is topping $4.40 for regular and nearly $5.00 for diesel, and that’s the cheepest statewide), which allowed her to put forth a much better proposal. I saw Palin last weekend at the kickoff of the 50th anniversary statehood celebration and she was greeted like a Hollywood celebrity. As much as I’d love to see her chosen to be McCain’s VP, I’d hate to see her leave Juneau even more.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
So who is Palin?
June 30th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
And Bill Kristol’s judgement is ALWAYS so prescient…
June 30th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
So now we know it won’t be her for sure…
June 30th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Palin is like the Poor Man’s Obama: little experience, few results, but photogenic. The only real difference is that she’s appealing to a far smaller group of people, and has not managed to break through to the public on her own. Instead, there’s a groups of pundits trying to push her into the spotlight.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
#4, Big S, you forget that it took a little while for Obama to get into the limelight. He was pushed onto the national scene by a very sympathetic press corps.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
For what its worth John Harwood said tonight that his reporting with the McCain campaign calls into question Romney as #1. Harwood said “the tie breaker” for McCain is who he gets along with. That suggests to me it will be someone he currently works with, or Huckabee who he got along with during the primary.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
#2/#3, Bill Kristol’s predictions have been better than any one else’s. Didn’t someone just write about this a few days ago?
I’d be quite happy with Palin.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
It won’t be Palin.
T/Paw is almost a 50/50 chance.
What happened to Ted?
June 30th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Kristol is making no claim of any inside information, unlike the claims of those saying Mitt was at the top today.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Sue-Ellen,
So the McCain camp calls into question Romney as #1 from Politico article, but does not when Kristol suggests Paplin on national television, two days in a row (full Fox segment today on Palin for VP).
June 30th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
#4, Big S, you forget that it took a little while for Obama to get into the limelight. He was pushed onto the national scene by a very sympathetic press corps.
You mean those who covered his 2004 convention speech? Or the ones who covered his win in the 2004 Senate race? Like it or not, there’s a huge gulf between Obama’s rise and what some conservative pundits are trying to do with Palin. The latter remind me of the “stage parents” who push their kids into talent competitions to try to get them into the spotlight, not noticing that they are sorely lacking in skill.
June 30th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Big S, I know you’re not a big Palin fan. That’s fair, I’m not a Rudy fan. But isn’t it interesting how the national media covers almost every possible VP contender but Palin. The Fox video was the first real discussion of her as a contender. They probably don’t want to tout her b/c she has the potentiality to be big nationwide. Obama would be nothing without the press corps. That speech would’ve gone nowhere without the press corps touting it as equivalent to the Gettysburg Address.
June 30th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Kristol
McCain and Palin? That will be the total number of Republicans in the GOP if big John does not get his act together. What is going on, friends, is amateur hour, a Major Bowles leftover from the forties when McCain was a young man. His campaign looks like a political march of the midgets next to Obama’s and it’s not all just money. You want to put Sara Palin a heart beat away from running a multi-trillion dollar business because she was the point guard on a state basketball team in 1982? Where is Alice now that we are all down the rabbit hole?
June 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Would this pose a problem for Palin?
Palin’s responses on radio talk show very unbecoming
June 30th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Here is the link to the audio from the Bob and Mark Show…
June 30th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Did Britt wink at the camera while Kristol was talking? It was almost like Hulme was saying “this guy is pulling our leg–it won’t be Sara Palin”.
June 30th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Palin’s advocates are making some pretty persuasive arguments lately, although I must say I am still skeptical. But she seems like a tough cookie and by all accounts had a very successful two terms as Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska which could be cited in the general election as evidence of strong executive experience.
June 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
FWIW, I heard that People Magazine was in Alaska to take photos of Sarah Palin and her family — apparently an article about her is in the works. That should raise her profile in the general population.
June 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
#14 Aron,
You are correct, that is why I would like Obama and McCain to continue to praise each other and hold hands during the debate.
In fact, the article below is a perfect example of, Would this pose a problem for the VP?
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enCA276CA276&q=Rudy+Giuliani+corruption+Time&meta=
June 30th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Kristofer,
Rudy’s dirty laundry has been fully aired, and 99% of the electorate knows “America’s Mayor”. 99% of America has no idea who Sarah Palin is.
What’s funny is that when you click on that link you provided, the first story you see is “TIME 2001 Person of the Year: Rudy Giuliani.” And, the second one is a review by Time of Giuliani’s book Leadership, in which he said it was during his 1986 prosecution of corruption in the Parking Violations Bureau that he initially thought about running for mayor.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Aron, I love Rudy, what I was trying to show you was that he has positive and negative press.
How do you know “Rudy’s dirty laundry has been fully aired?”. How do you know that about any candidate?
Remember the weekend before the 2000 Presidential election where Bush’s DUI was uncovered in Maine? He was a 2 term Governor and was three days away from being elected POTUS. I do not agree with this; “they are fully vetted”. Yeah, so was Sen. candidate Ryan of Illinois until his estranged wife was nice to tell us about his creative, yet common, sexual habits.
BTW, on a personal note, I discovered today we share a business contact.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Aron,
Anything dirty in Alaska gets aired. That political atmosphere is so tosic that one little slip up will be blown up into a career ending mistake (that’s why that “Bob and Mark” interview became such a big deal up there). The establishment up there is constantly trying to dig for dirt on Palin, they can’t find any. Trust me, the woman has been vetted, and the best that they can find is that she admitted trying marijuana once when it was legal in AK (she didn’t like it and wants to keep it illegal)
And on the “Bob and Mark” interview, I have never seen so much made out of a little giggle…especially since the woman in question (Lyda Green) pulled one of the lowest political stunts in history by denying Palin’s request to make her state-of-the-state address and force her to either cancel the address or miss her son’s graduation from boot camp the next day. I’ll cut Palin some slack on that interview…big time.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
No LG, I was trying to send the awful article from the NYT that smear Rudy, but that they rectracted the next week on page 47. It was not true, it was character assas. do not believe an OP-ed piece.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
22. If I remember right, Palin gave plenty of advance notice of wanting to change the time of her speech and didn’t hear anything back from Lyda Green until the day before the scheduled speech and after Palin’s family had already made reservations to fly south. Lyda Green’s approval ratings dropped so low she recently decided to not run for re-election.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
I just listened to the radio clip and it was really strange. Maybe things like that happen in state gov’t and I am oblivious to it, but that interview struck me as childish. But at the same time I believe, just from what I heard, that Palin was right to be pissed and this Lyda Green must be a terrible public servant. But as is often the case neither party comes out smelling like roses.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Kristofer,
Actually, it was Politico who smeared Rudy, but the Times buried the piece exonerating him, as you said, after it was too late, and the intended damage was done.
Giuliani’s Exoneration Over Expense Scandal Falls On Deaf Ears
logcabin,
You’ve got me curious. Who’s the shared contact? Feel free to e-mail me if you’d rather not publicize it.
Palin for VP, for the record, I don’t think Sarah’s behavior was out of line in that interview. But, the last thing I’ll ever be accused of is being politically correct. I was more surprised by the uptight reaction by those in the local media and on the Anchorage Daily News’ message boards.
June 30th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Aron,
The Anchorage Daily News meesage boards are very entertaining, and mostly full of the 10% of Alaskans who don’t like her. If you thought that was bad, you should have seen their reaction to her pregnancy (they accused her of getting pregnant on purpose as a publicity stunt).
June 30th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Aron,
Why has Rudy kept some of his campaign staff together?
July 1st, 2008 at 1:51 am
Regarding Palin vs. Lyda Green. . . Green (the GOP leader in the State House) has had it in for Palin since day 1. Despite trying desperately to cause Palin problems, she failed miserably. A few weeks ago Green announced she would not run for reelection, blaming her failure not on herself but on Palin’s popularity in her district (she and Palin are from the same district). The Bob and Mark thing barely made any waves up here, save for the kooks on the Daily News blogs. #27 above is correct to say those kooks are part of the tiny 10% who don’t like Palin. The other 90% of us think she’s great. Even concerning the current natural gas line project she is pushing, polls show that while voters are split on how they want the pipeline to proceed, the vast majority give Palin credit for leading the charge. Even political missteps seem to roll off her sleeve, as with the recent energy assistance program she proposed and then withdrew after polls showed many voters were against her specific plans. Voters still gave her credit for at least addressing the energy crisis (gas here in Anchorage is topping $4.40 for regular and nearly $5.00 for diesel, and that’s the cheepest statewide), which allowed her to put forth a much better proposal. I saw Palin last weekend at the kickoff of the 50th anniversary statehood celebration and she was greeted like a Hollywood celebrity. As much as I’d love to see her chosen to be McCain’s VP, I’d hate to see her leave Juneau even more.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:20 am
someone needs to explain why gas is so high in Alaska when they have so much oil (and the state gets royalties).
July 1st, 2008 at 8:20 am
30 because it costs so much to transport refined has to Alaska.