Colin Powell is on McCain’s Veeplist? Won’t it be a little awkward, you know, running with McCain after he endorses Obama…?
Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s short list of vice presidential possibilities has been essentially narrowed to six, according to a source familiar with the search.
Factions within McCain’s campaign are pushing for their favored candidate. The campaign has also been vetting potential running mates and polling voters, especially in battleground states, on their viability.
They include:
- Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty
- Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell
- Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney
- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
- U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn
- Former Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge.
Sources familiar with the Arizona Republican’s VP search process list Pawlenty and Romney as the odds on favorites but said there was some preference to pick a woman or minority as McCain’s running mate. That would mean Powell, Palin, the 44-year-old Alaska governor, or former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina.
This is the first I have heard of Powell being in play for McCain in a loooong time; and all the scuttlebutt surrounding Powell as of late has been that he is on the verge of endorsing Obama.
It’s completely understandable, however, as to why he would be on the list as he is really the only “Gamechanging” choice available to the GOP this year (and by “Gamechanging” I mean a selection that will actually result in a net positive effect on the ticket come November.)
Poll after poll has shown that Sen. McCain and Gen. Powell are the two most respected politicians in America with tremendous strength among Independents and potential Democratic defectors.
Teaming McCain and Powell on an “All American Hero” ticket is perhaps the strongest non-incumbent Top/Bottom ticket the GOP has ever fielded.
From what I have been told by sources that I believe to be credible, Mitt is still at the top of the list. But we’ll find out if I’ve been fed Filet Mignon or Steakum on that shortly now, won’t we?
H/T: IR-MN
July 24th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Powell would be very nice!
July 24th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Nowandlater #1,
He was always my first choice. I stopped writing about him because I thought he was completely out of it.
I have my doubts about his inclusion. Color me ecstatic if it’s true.
July 24th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty: No surprise
Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell: Really? He won’t accept. Not so sure if I’d like it anyway…
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney: Please no…
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin: Told you so!
U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn: Please, please, please, PLEASE NO!!!
Former Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge: Nope. Not gonna happen.
So, we’re down to Pawlenty or Palin.
McCain/Palin 2008!
July 24th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
McCain’s list is probably: 1) Powell, if he could be convinced to accept it; 2) Lieberman, if he could get away with it; 3) everyone else. It will probably come down to the “everyone else” category. However, if Powell joined the ticket it would be fabulous, easy victory this cycle, and no heir apparent to have to deal with the dirty laundry of a McCain administration next cycle.
July 24th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Why would Powell endorse Obama? I know he’s said complimentary things about him, but Powell has always been a moderate and complimentary person, and why wouldn’t he feel a little proud that a black man is going to be a major nominee for President? But the thing that gives it away is he’s donated the maximum to John McCain. He hasn’t given a cent to Obama. If he was going to endorse Obama, it would sure be a waste of money to donate the maximum amount to his opponent. I believe Powell will endorse McCain. He would be an interesting VP pick, he’s still a well liked figure, but would the country really be down with electing two 71 year olds?
July 24th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
My order in case of whom I think is most likely of this list is as follows:
Romney
Pawlenty
Palin
Ridge
Powell
Lieberman
My personal preferences of this list would probably be:
Romney
Palin
Pawlenty
Powell
Ridge
Lieberman
July 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Interesting to note this is the first time I’ve seen evidence that Palin is actually being considered by the McCain camp. Good news if its true. If not Rudy, I totally endorse Palin for the potential new voters she’d bring to the party (not to mention pet issues being ethics reform and energy policy, ready made for this cycle!) Powell would be a good choice too. Content with Pawlenty. Lieberman is better off as a top surrogate, making a speech at the convention and taking a prominent role like Secretary of State. A.B.R. (Anybody But Romney).
July 24th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Powell’s age is a concern, given that the media has been chattering about the need to “balance” the ticket with youth, be it Palin, Thune, Pawlenty, or the youthful looking Romney.
Plus, he is a double down on Iraq & this Admin, which isn’t terribly popular
July 24th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Interesting that Rudy isn’t on this (credible?) list.
One weird thing. The “sources familiar” section lists someone who isn’t even on the shortlist (Fiorina) which doesn’t make a lot of sense.
July 24th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
I could accept Palin. The others–no.
July 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Kavon, I never liked fish. I wonder if we underestimated the bond these two Vietnam vets have with one another?
If Rudy (MSNBC video) is correct (McCain must pick someone who can easily take over), would Powell not be the most logical and qualified choice?
At the end of the day, I still believe it will be Palin.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
8: I agree about the age issue, but I think most people are sympathetic to Powell and see him as a “good” member of the Bush administration and as a moderating figure from the first term who was given bad directions he had to follow (and admitted he’s regretted) in regards to selling Iraq. I don’t think it would be an issue.
I never liked the idea of Powell or Rice as a play for black voters because it won’t work. Anyone black voter who would be swayed by that issue is voting for Obama, but where it could make a difference, and I’ve never thought of this are the scores of white suburban voters (probably a lot in swing states like PA, OH and VA) who feel its their obligation to support the black candidate and might be doing so out of white guilt/to keep up appearances. Powell on the ticket could represent an “out” for those voters who don’t trust Obama, but don’t want to be made to feel like they’re racists if they don’t vote for him and will vote for McCain/Powell instead. It’s a silly rationale, but they’re out there.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
I hope Powell isn’t under consideration just because he’s black, but given that Palin is touted for her gender its probably likely.
#12, sjm, I think you are right that most are sympathetic to Powell, which will limit the links to the Bush administration.
Would Powell accept if asked? Having developed a bipartisan statesman role, wouldn’t it mean he loses that? I see him as unwilling to attack Obama, which is what McCAin needs in a VP (like Romney has been doing). Powell wouldn’t do that.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
The Powell Doctrine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_Doctrine
I think the American people would like this message a lot when it comes to how the administration would handle future foreign military affairs. International cooperation and overwhelming force were what made Afghanistan the less controversial war than Iraq.
It presents a good middle ground between the perceived Bush cowboy hawkishness and Obama’s “Can We Talk?” plan.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Bill Kristol thinks it will be Ridge:
Kristol was one of the original McCainiacs from 2000 (like me!) and has ties with the higher-ups in the McCain campaign (unlike me, grrr…)
July 24th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Powell lost faith re Iraq. Undercuts McCain’s theme.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
If Powell is the pick–so-cons will form a 3rd party (or most likely) not vote at all.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
* Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty
* Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell
* Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney
* Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
* U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn
* Former Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge.
The only name on that list that excites me is Lieberman. Palin would be acceptable. Ridge is tolerable. Pawlenty is a gigantic yawn, Powell is a wishy-washy ‘realist’, and Romney is, well, Romney.
If this is the real list, it’s rather disappointing.
I think that Ridge is most likely, followed by Pawlenty, Lieberman, Romney, Palin, and Powell.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
13: That’s the question. He was considered as Bush’s VP in 92 and drafted to run in 96 but turned down both (I think his wife thought it would put him in danger?) Both times polling showed his presence on the ticket meant a win.
As for his statesmanship role, he’s served in the Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 administrations, it’s not like he’s never had a partisan political role. Attacking Obama might not work anyway (though an attack VP like Rudy would be fun), and his job would be to moderate McCain and do a respectable job compared to Obama’s VP in settings like the debate.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Those Wash. Insiders know nothing about middle-america. Palin would be a good choice
1) Woman
2) social-conservative
3) Christian
4) Popular
5) Did I mentions she’s a woman?!!
July 24th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
16: Metro, so have the American people. You have said yourself McCain needs to seize that middle ground. McCain/Powell grabs the middle and is still far to the right of Obama, making his positions look completely defeatist.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Kavon, we are also missing the biggest point here regarding McCain-Powell.
The biggest difference they have had has been over troop withdrawl from Iraq.
Powell has stated for the last year that troops must begin to come home because the military was over-deployed. McCain would only state that it depends on conditions on the ground.
Troops have begun to come home earlier than expected, so the only difference between McCain and Powell is now off the table.
I have never heard Powell discuss a timetable of 16 months.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Of this list, I strongly endorse Palin but if we’re going for the middle and running a competence/experience/respect ticket you can’t do much better than Powell.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Palin is more of a gamechanger if winning in Nov is your standard. McCain doesn’t need another foreign-policy focused guy. He needs a woman who’ll run on pocketbook issues: that’s Palin. That said, I think Powell is so far off the reservation that wouldn’t even accept if offered.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
McCain’s main selling point is he was right about the surge and Obama was wrong. Powell was with Obama. Not gonna work.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Powell is associated both with the bad early handling of the war and the bad defeatest movement later in the war. Double whammy.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Ridge is pro-choice. He will not be VP since McCain said “I will pick a pro-life candidate as my VP.”
July 24th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
#25, wrong, Powell was not with Obama. See #22.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
I copied this from an earlier post I don’t think anyone is reading anymore.
# RayinNH Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Metro - why can’t we always get along like this? I may be completely making this up in my head but you seem to be softening your opinion on Romney. Or perhaps you’re now just being more clear in your complaints against him. I find it quite funny that I agree a whole lot more with you (an avid anti-Romneyite during the primaries) than I do with the RomBot Act. But, maybe that is the issue - I’m really not a RomBot just a huge supporter who can understand reality.
DSkinner - thank you for all of your comments because now I don’t have anything else to say because you have said it all so clearly.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
That picture of Mitt Romney is staring at me as I write this…
Palin steals Obama’s thunder; and totally fits McCain. Also comes w/o the bagge most of the other potential veeps carry.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
25: I think that’s McCain’s main selling point to Republicans. His moderation is what sells him to independents/centrist Dems, the same ones who would like Powell. 99% of the populace doesn’t pay attention to this issue like we do. Powell if he accepts (I doubt he would though) would be a strong supporter of the surge and declare Iraq a success and even will take the angle of “I was there when this started, what a mess, those people didn’t know what they were doing, but John McCain did and thank God its working now” that’s all people need to hear. Frankly, I think he’d have more of a problem with just being part of the Bush admin in the start of the war rather than trying to prove he supports it.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Thanks, Ray.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
I don’t bet, but the last person to bet on Powell on intrade.com would get a million for a thousand bet. The last guy that bought Lieberman would get 200K for a 1K bet.
I’d say if these guys are on a short list, somebody would be leaking it to their buddies to get rich.
I think its being leaked that some of these people are on a ’short’ list. He wants to make sure that the African Americans, women, independents, and pro-choicers all feel that they at least made the short list and were strongly considered.
Realistically, I believe it is between Romney and Pawlenty, with Palin still having a decent chance..
July 24th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
You’re welcome Metro.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Anyone else watching The Daily Show right now?
Obama speaks to 200,000 in Berlin while McCain speaks to 2 in the Frozen Food Section.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I am very glad to see these people on McCain’s list, as they are all (except Pawlenty) potential gamechangers. McCain is in this to win!
July 24th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Powell has worked in partisan administrations, but he’s never been the attack dog of those administrations. He’s no Dick Cheney.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Which was round is it? Obama speaks to 200k because of the media, or the media follows Obama more than McCain because he can pull 200k audience?
I tend to think the latter, as Obama is obviously a good speaker, and that’s what draws the crowds…
July 24th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Daily Show’s been good lately. “Obama was off to Israel, where he made a quick stop at the manger in Bethlehem where he was born.”
July 24th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Daily Show and Colbert have been very good - I knew the McCain nomination would be good for something.
Kavon - did you get my email?
July 24th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
#18 Alex, who is not on the list, that you would prefer to be on it (other than Rudy)?
July 24th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Portman is with McCain in Ohio tonight. i believe he is still on the list.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
#42, Portman already said “NO”. He made a promise to his wife that he remain home for a while.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_vaH2BjVeA&eurl=http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/
July 24th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
#18 Alex, who is not on the list, that you would prefer to be on it (other than Rudy)?
Sadly, there aren’t a lot of especially inspiring options. Rudy’s a great option because he’s fantastic at taking on economic issues, especially lately, and he won’t have to worry about a botched primary campaign strategy getting in the way anymore — he’ll be free to communicate as he pleases. And more importantly, though not electorally, he gets the war against jihadism, which is the reason I’d be excited for Lieberman, too. I was excited for Condi back in 2007, and her name’s been floated around as a potential VP pick, but she’s been rather disappointing — as has the Bush Administration in general during its second term — in holding strong to the Bush Doctrine.
I’m honestly at a loss.
Unless Pawlenty and Palin are secretly steadfastly anti-jihadist, it’s an uninspiring field all around. If it comes down to Pawlenty, Romney, or Ridge, though, give me Ridge, no question.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Ill take Powell
July 24th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Portman is still in the hunt. If offered he would accept.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
YES! POWELL! DO IT JOHN!
July 24th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
#44, “steadfastly anti-jihadist”
That has been Palin’s main argument for an America first energy policy. What are you looking for her to say?
July 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
6 candidates and only 2 reliable pro-lifers. Kinda surprising.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
UPDATE: Portman tells us he got to spend plenty of time with McCain today, but they did not meet one-on-one, and the subject of who might be picked for vice president “never came up.” Portman joined McCain at a fundraiser, on the campaign’s “Straight Talk Express” bus, and at an evening forum at Ohio State University hosted by Lance Armstrong, the Tour de France winner and cancer survivor.
“I enjoyed being with him (McCain) and we talked about a lot of issues, including policy matters,” Portman said after the forum
July 24th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Brett Passmore will take Powell? Does not compute. Explain?
July 24th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
That has been Palin’s main argument for an America first energy policy. What are you looking for her to say?
Oh? If that’s her main argument, then that’s encouraging — I’ll have to learn more about her, then.
I’ve not been digging too deeply into her background, to be honest. Just read a few articles and the Wikipedia page.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Kavon,
I actually wrote about Powell in the PA poll post, glad to see you mention it.
McCain/Powell would win the election so easily we could break out the champagne to watch Keith Olbermann start crying on national televsion soon after the polls closed.
I even have their campaign song:
Believe it or not I’m walking on air
July 24th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Alex, she is a hawk, please re-search her.
Palin has become more vocal since her son joined the army and is going to be deployed to Iraq.
I figured Alex and Metro would have been high on Congressmen Ryan?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
i never thought i could feel so free, flying away on a wing and a prayer, who could it be? believe it or not, it’s just me
The Greatest American Heroes for the America. Because America deserves the best.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Alex,
You do realize that prior to becoming Homeland Security director, Ridge was widely considered a dove, casting a number of disturbing votes in the 80’s on foreign policy issues?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Jamison why the love for Pawlenty but not Romney? I do believe Romney is even to the right of T-Paw
July 24th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Sampo-Powell? Are you even a conservative let alone a Republican?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
I think the argument for Powell is that he’d have no influence on McCain on social conservative issues. Powell is old enough that he’d be unlikely to leave a mark on the party.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
After watching that Rudy video, I’m convinced that it will be Powell or Ridge.
Note that Rudy said that McCain’s main criteria will be to find a Commander in Chief. This echoes Kristol’s intel that I posted above, where Bill said that McCain is going for a pick that will further emphasize Obama’s inexperience. Both of these guys are in touch with the top guns in the Mac campaign, including Mac himself.
Powell and Ridge are the only guys on the shortlist who fit the profile. I think McCain will pick Powell if Powell wants it. Otherwise, he’ll go with Ridge. Powell would probably have an impact on the ticket similar to what we saw in those McCain/Bloomberg polls from SUSA. The ticket would be one consisting of two guys who “aren’t real Republicans” and that’s a big net plus this year. The thing is, I don’t think Powell will do it.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
#57: Yep. He was anti-SDI. A position I’ve never been able to comprehend and always felt amounted to sheer insanity. I could never trust anyone who’s been anti-SDI.
Plus he’s totally boring. SoCons don’t like him. He offers nothing strong in the EconCon dept. And he’s got a bad past in the SecCon area.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
You do realize that prior to becoming Homeland Security director, Ridge was widely considered a dove, casting a number of disturbing votes in the 80’s on foreign policy issues?
I do. But if he’s moved toward the right on defense issues over the course of twenty years (I was more than a little surprised to see his name on a list of endorsements, next to Michelle Malkin and Robert Spencer, for The West’s Last Chance by Tony Blankley), then I’m not going to throw stones at him for it.
61 — Sounds about right. And I agree that Powell wouldn’t take it.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
But remember, also, Matthew E. Miller, that I only said that I’d take him over Romney or Pawlenty.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Alex and I normally think alike, but I’d take Romney or Pawlenty over Ridge. Many over Ridge.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Sean, The term “conservative” has completely lost its meaning. Bush is a “conservative” who increased domestic spending by 55% over 8 years. What a joke. Hopefully some day soon we’ll be using the term “McCain conservative” to refer to politicians who actually, um, CONSERVE federal resources.
Yes, I’m a Republican. I’m registered and everything.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Well, from research it does look like Powell was against the surge and skeptical of it. But even that helps McCain. Imagine if Powell comes out and talks about how even he, with all his knowledge and experience was skeptical, but John McCain never lost the faith, John McCain always believed in victory. That would be very powerful. It would only enhance McCain’s creds and make Obama look even worse.
Also, I found this article from 1996 by WFB, Jr on Powell as Dole’s VP. Some interesting excerpts:
Concerning the proposal: Colin Powell for Vice President, a few observations:
1. The primary qualification for a vice-presidential selection is: Will he substantially enhance the probability of the election of the presidential candidate?
On the matter of General Powell, the answer to that question, at this reading, is Yes.
It is another thing when it is a vice-presidential candidate being considered. For one thing, by accepting the nomination, the vice-presidential candidate subordinates his position on divisive issues, deferring to the presidential candidate. It is simply inconceivable that nominee Powell could tour the country during the fall taking issue with Dole’s position on abortion or for that matter any other important political question
and
4. If Colin Powell accepts the nomination, nothing like the treachery suggested will have been done. In 1964 I urged candidate Goldwater to name ex-President Eisenhower as his running-mate. Quixotic stuff, but an early recognition that a presidential candidate wants a running-mate who will help him get to the White House, and it dazzles the imagination that anyone who cares about abortion or affirmative action would in effect endorse the re-election of Bill Clinton for the platonic satisfaction of a loyalty-test rejection of Colin Powell.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n8_v48/ai_18262529
fascinating. substitute McCain for Dole and Obama for Clinton and you get the drift. That Ike as VP in 64 is interesting. I thought that was unconstitutional. If it’s not, what about W for VP?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
In key states McCain fav’s are significantly ahead of his polling % (unprecidented level, in fact). This is either Conservatives refusing to name McCain in polls, or McCain’s age for moderate voters.
Maybe I/we have misunderstood the age issue? Our inital thought (mine included when I discount Romney, Rudy and Powell) is that McCain must pick a younger running mate to off-set his age issue. But what if this is incorrect?
What if the McCain internal polls show that he actually benefits from someone who is ready to take over immediately, no matter that VP’s age? Maybe that is why we hear Powell and Ridge come up?
On the flip side, we talk about experienced Conservatives with a track record to help McCain with this frustrated GOP voting block, but maybe it is young conservatives that McCain’s internal polling shows as disatisfied? There are certainly many on this and other blogs who are not happy. Maybe a younger conservative (Palin, Pawlenty, Cantor) is the answer for McCain. After-all, next to women, young Conservatives do much of the grunt work in Republican campaigns.
Any thoughts? Am I off base?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Alex and I normally think alike, but I’d take Romney or Pawlenty over Ridge. Many over Ridge.
All over the anti-SDI votes?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
We can’t be unwilling to accept converts.
But again, I’d take Lieberman and Palin over Ridge.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Except Sampo McCain is a lukewarm conservative at best,def not the standard bearer of the conservative movement.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
67: If it’s not, what about W for VP?
Why not McCain just blow his brain out?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
the standard bearer of the conservative movement.
That’s what we really need to win!
July 24th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
#69: I’ve never heard Tom Ridge defend anything economically conservative. Maybe he has, but he sure as heck isn’t known for it. He’s the ultimate middle-of-the-road-stand-for-nothing moderate.
And anti-SDI is a huge deal to me. There was absolutely zero rational argument for that position. It’s like going into the jungle after hiring bodyguards, and then someone arguing they should leave their weapons at home. It’s sheer insanity and was a position only able to be held by those who do not love America.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
67: Goldwater/Eisenhower….and we thought the potential bumper stickers for Giuliani/Huckabee would be too long!
July 24th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
I really hope that McCain doesn’t pick someone who is pro-choice. Not because it would matter one bit as far as actual policy, but because of the huge disaster it would set up for 2012.
If they win (which I believe would be extremely unlikely) then we would have a huge battle on our hands in 2012 for which faction of the GOP is the most important. Of course a candidate who satisfies all the factions of the party could avert that disaster, but I really don’t see it happening that way.
Too many people like DaveG would see the VP pick as an opening to purge social conservatives so they wouldn’t be happy with someone who is socially conservative enough to satisfy the base, regardless of their other positions.
Even someone like Powell who would never run on his own would still create a huge controversy that would be waiting in 2012 no matter what the results of 2008.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
I don’t know if anyone heard James Carville on Imus the other day but he said that McCain is a craps player like he is and with regards to the VP, he’s “getting ready to press his bet”.
Now Carville knows a few things, and knows a few people, not the least of whom is his wife, who know what’s going on with McCain.
If he threw that out there, it means McCain is going to make a splash and do something unexpected and a bit of a gamble, something to really go all in.
I don’t really see Romney or Pawlenty fitting that. They strike me as the don’t pass play it safe type.
Powell goes all in. It makes everything about experience, honor, service, words that matter and mean something to men like McCain and Powell, and nothing to some johnny come lately like Barry who just showed up yesterday. It makes this about nat’l security and foreign policy in a time of war, serious men for serious times. Men who served their country, who gave all, and who have volunteered for one last mission in her time of need. They answered the call before, and the phone is ringing again.
Especially if Obama goes with someone like Tim Kaine or Sebelius or Dodd or Bayh or some lightweight like that, McCain and Powell would make them look like children. Can you imagine Powell vs Kaine at a VP debate?
The hey here would be to wait for Obama to go first, and then shock the world.
But if Carville has something, we may be in for a bit of a surprise.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
#69: I’ve never heard Tom Ridge defend anything economically conservative. Maybe he has, but he sure as heck isn’t known for it. He’s the ultimate middle-of-the-road-stand-for-nothing moderate.
…and he’s not going to run in four years.
Why would you support Lieberman but not Ridge?
And anti-SDI is a huge deal to me. There was absolutely zero rational argument for that position. It’s like going into the jungle after hiring bodyguards, and then someone arguing they should leave their weapons at home. It’s sheer insanity and was a position only able to be held by those who do not love America.
I just can’t hold a twenty-year grudge. I agree with you, but I’d rather go with Ridge than set up Romney or Pawlenty to be the nominee in four years, should McCain win.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Kristofer, Look at the breakdown. A higher percent of Republicans are supporting McCain than there are Democrats who support Obama. My theory is that Bush has tee’d off enough Americans that party affiliation has shifted blue and pollsters are adjusting their results based on this. I don’t think you adjust approval ratings in the same way.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Kristofer I think many young conservatives would be happy with Romney not only as Veep but as the standard bearer for the right come next election cycle.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
McCain/Powell vs. Obama/Clinton would be fascinating.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
67: Goldwater/Eisenhower….and we thought the potential bumper stickers for Giuliani/Huckabee would be too long!
There was a man that ran for Congress in my district with the last name Krysztoforski.
Now, sorry, you just can’t be a Congressman if your last name is Kryztoforski.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
71, Um, ok. But then again I’m not the standard bearer of speaking Latin either. Guess what? I don’t care because Latin is irrelevant.
The nomination of John McCain is the Republicans apology to American for nominating Bush 8 years ago.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Kristofer I think many young conservatives would be happy with Romney not only as Veep but as the standard bearer for the right come next election cycle.
I know a lot of young conservatives, and you are correct. That’s why we must oppose Romney: we can’t let him trick an entire generation of young conservatives!
July 24th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
DSkinner,
would you take that huge controversy after John Paul Stevens retires in 2011 and McCain can replace him, thereby fulfilling the lifelong dream of every social conservative out there and earning a place in the pantheon of conservative leaders?
Would it really matter that Powell is pro choice then?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
“I agree with you, but I’d rather go with Ridge than set up Romney or Pawlenty to be the nominee in four years, should McCain win.”
And your reasoning is?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
The nomination of John McCain is the Republicans apology to American for nominating Bush 8 years ago.
No apology is owed, and McCain, unlike you, recognizes this, by continuing to support the Bush Doctrine.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
And your reasoning is?
Have you been paying a scintilla of attention to my anti-Romney jihad?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
83 “I’m” = McCain’s
July 24th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
The Bush doctrine is all well and good. It just needs to be backed up with competence.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
As someone else said, despite all the noise about Palin, this is the first palpable evidence (allegedly) that she’s under actual consideration. Until this point, I was pretty unconvinced that McCain’s team was giving her anything more than a cursory look. Between her and Powell, I would have a tough time chosing who I’d rather see selected. Palin would get me more excited, but I love nothing more than winning, and I think Powell would move the most votes into McCain’s column. However, I’d be shocked - shocked! - if he took the job. I’d just be happy at this point if he didn’t endorse Obama, which I’m kinda terrified of.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Alex Romney isn’t “tricking” anyone the man has kept his word and is doing what he said he’d do when he got out and that’s fight right along side conservatives.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
77: “I don’t know if anyone heard James Carville on Imus the other day but he said that McCain is a craps player like he is and with regards to the VP, he’s “getting ready to press his bet”.”
Oh God, McCain’s going to run with Hillary Clinton!
July 24th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Alex,
Perhaps Ridge has moved to the right on defense issues in the past year, but back in June of 2007, he, like Romney, cravenly went wobbly on the surge and the commitment to Iraq at the height of the war’s unpopularity, at a time when John McCain heroically stuck his political neck on the line.
A Patriot-News interview with Tom Ridge showed him starting to turn away from McCain on McCain’s signature issue of Iraq.:
Time is running out for success in Iraq, said former Gov. Tom Ridge, adding his voice to the growing number of leading Republicans saying that the current American strategy in Iraq is not working.
“There will be a major readjustment, even from the White House on down” if progress is not achieved within a couple months, predicted Ridge during an interview today.
“There is very little sand left in the hourglass of Iraq,” said the former Homeland Security secretary, who said patience even among Republicans is wearing thin for the unpopular war.
“There’s more sand at the bottom of the hourglass than at the top, and at some point of time…somebody’s going to have to make a decision on when or how we make a withdrawal” he said.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
#79, then it must be McCain’s age as the issue.
#80, sorry, if young Conservatives could vote for VP, they would select Gingrich, although Newt is not goint to happen.
#78/94, many Vietnam vet’s who were politicians in the early 80’s were gun-shy on foreign policy in their first terms. McCain voted against sending the Marines to Lebanon (he was correct actually), Ridge on SDI. As they gained more experience, their views changed significantly in later years.
Again, Ridge had a very conservative voting record as Governor of PA. I encourage everyone to research it.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Rudy, Romney, Ridge, Rice
Palin, Pawlenty, Portman, Powell
What is going on?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
All the polls show that Collin Powell is the most popular American politician on the planet. Polls even show they help Obama if he runs as his VP. We need Powell, and we will win with him.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Alex,
I suspect it’s not simply over SDI votes. Ridge simply isn’t that impressive. From an economic perspective, Ridge is fine. Just fine. I’ve no evidence at all to suggest he’s ever been a hero of fiscal wing of the party or that his record in this regard is better then either Pawlenty’s or Romney’s. He’s worse on foreign policy and, as Metro notes, he’s terribly dull. Pawlenty could plausibly excite evangelicals and gun rights advocates (he’s signed two conceal and carry laws), thus he is one of probably only two people in consideration that could legitimately mobilize the two most significant GOP grassroots constituencies (Palin is the other possibility). Romney has a legion dedicated followers, who could arguably provide some support. Ridge is disliked by so-cons, econs are lukewarm on him, and he excites no one. I will note, in fairness, that Ridge does seem to have a reasonably pro-gun record.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
97: That’s all well and good, sampo but we needed him and would have won with him in 92 (as VP) and 96 (as P and then VP) and he turned it down every time.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Alex, see Aron’s #94. Thanks, Aron.
Why Lieberman over Ridge? Because Lieberman would be a historic pick that would underscore that McCain IS the bipartisan Obama claims to be. Because Lieberman would be game-changing and exciting and would help defend the war to independents. And because Lieberman would never be the Republican nominee.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
94 — If that’s the worst you’ve got, then there’s no way that he’s not under consideration.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
99, two comments:
1. His wife didn’t want him to run and she may have changed her mind.
2. I feel Powell has some unfinished business after he gave his presentation to the UN. If I were him, I wouldn’t want that to be my last significant act as a politician.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
“#80, sorry, if young Conservatives could vote for VP, they would select Gingrich, although Newt is not goint to happen.”
Because, you know, Newt Gingrich is the kind of politician young people can relate to. In the same kind of way Romney is. I was the president of College Republicans at my campus last year, and whenever anyone brought up Romney, my VP would mutter, “Ugh, I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.” And everyone laughed. McCain won our straw poll hands-down. Hell, Sam Brownback of all people beat Romney.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
100, that’s all well and good, but last time this was tried, something happened to the President, the VP took over from a new party and undid a lot of the President’s previous policies. If Lieberman becomes president, I don’t seem him putting up an effective barrier to Congress’ inevitable programs on health care, global warming, social security, tax increases nor do I see him nominating conservative judges. Joe is a wonderful ally and I think he should be rewarded with the keynote address at the convention and prominent role in the administration like Secretary of State where he can deal with foreign relations, an area he’s totally on board with JMac’s policies. But to be one heartbeat from a Democrat president and Democrat Congress and Senate…no thanks.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Ridge is a great war hero and unlike Billy Clinton, he did not use the fact that he was a University student to avoid going to war.
The reason why Ridge’s 7-8 medals are “only” very impressive, is because McCain’s 27 medals are very, very, very impressive.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Picking Ridge would be like hitting a giant snooze button on McCain’s already - let’s face it - somnambulistic campaign. Unless they can keep the guy on a steady diet of Red Bulls, it’s a disaster pick.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
I’m smelling another P.
Petraeus.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
#103, Next is loved by young Conservatives. At CPAC, when a straw poll was done on the GOP Candidates, I believe Newt was a write in and finished 3rd.
Just like the people in their 40’s were drawn to Conservatism by Reagan, many people in their 30’s were drawn to Conservatism by Newt.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
#107 - How about another: Paul. (Couldn’t resist.)
July 24th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
John McCain, September 13, 2001
Heeelllzzzzzz ya!
Does that get Alex’s hawkish juices flowing?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Newt*
July 24th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
A Patraeus pick might be the reason for all the sh*t-eating grins you’re seeing from McCain insiders when talking about the Veep pick.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Win M,
I must be a weirdo then, because I’m a 21 year old Republican, and after briefly suspending my Romney support, I became an ardent advocate for Newt and I was devastated when he declined to run.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
I suspect it’s not simply over SDI votes. Ridge simply isn’t that impressive. From an economic perspective, Ridge is fine. Just fine. I’ve no evidence at all to suggest he’s ever been a hero of fiscal wing of the party or that his record in this regard is better then either Pawlenty’s or Romney’s. He’s worse on foreign policy and, as Metro notes, he’s terribly dull. Pawlenty could plausibly excite evangelicals and gun rights advocates (he’s signed two conceal and carry laws), thus he is one of probably only two people in consideration that could legitimately mobilize the two most significant GOP grassroots constituencies (Palin is the other possibility). Romney has a legion dedicated followers, who could arguably provide some support. Ridge is disliked by so-cons, econs are lukewarm on him, and he excites no one. I will note, in fairness, that Ridge does seem to have a reasonably pro-gun record.
I was speaking from a personal standpoint, not an electoral standpoint.
Though I do say that Palin outdoes ‘em all.
July 24th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
107: Do we know anything about Petraeus’ political views? I heard a rumor a while back that he was actually a Democrat. Is it really smart to be removing him from his post at this time too, where he’s probably better served?
July 24th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Does that get Alex’s hawkish juices flowing?
It does. Hey, don’t get me wrong — I like McCain just fine on foreign policy!
July 24th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
#108 - I think we’re just interpreting “young” differently. I’m 25, so I’m speaking from the perspective of someone who came of age politically in the 00s. To us, Newt is really a relic of the 90s. Not to knock the guy; I think he’s a brilliant - if idiosyncratic - person. He just comes across as outmoded to most people under 28.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:00 am
SDI?!
July 25th, 2008 at 12:00 am
107: Do we know anything about Petraeus’ political views? I heard a rumor a while back that he was actually a Democrat. Is it really smart to be removing him from his post at this time too, where he’s probably better served?
The Daily Telegraph, according to Wikipedia, identified him as a conservative.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:01 am
If McCain can extricate Petraeus from CENTCOM, without political backlash, he jumps to the very top of my list (ahead of Pawlenty maybe even). Generally, I don’t think Mac should double down on security; Iraq is winding down and voters are feeling, mistakenly, that foreign policy might recede in importance over the next 4 years. Between 50-60% of voters consider the economy the top issue. Picking someone based on their national security creds is, in that environment, just inane. Unless you’re talking about Petraeus or Powell. They’re superstars.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:02 am
#113 - Hey, don’t get me wrong: I love Newt. In August ‘06 another CR prez asked me who my top pick for ‘08 was, and my answer was Newt. I just think we’re in the minority there. Just think of us being more politically sophisticated than our peers.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:03 am
SDI = Strategic Defense Initiative = missile defense
July 25th, 2008 at 12:04 am
If McCain can extricate Petraeus from CENTCOM, without political backlash, he jumps to the very top of my list (ahead of Pawlenty maybe even). Generally, I don’t think Mac should double down on security; Iraq is winding down and voters are feeling, mistakenly, that foreign policy might recede in importance over the next 4 years. Between 50-60% of voters consider the economy the top issue. Picking someone based on their national security creds is, in that environment, just inane. Unless you’re talking about Petraeus or Powell. They’re superstars.
Agreed. There’s a General Exception to the VP rules, by which I mean General quite literally.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:04 am
I think Petraeus running on the ticket could jeopardize politicizing him and the gains he’s overseen. For example, I think it’s way more effective to have him keep doing what he’s doing, let McCain continue to praise him rather than running with him which puts him in a position to say, well Obama is wrong and McCain is right, because then Obama can just say “Look, he’s not an impartial observer! He’s running with him! How can we trust his opinion on his whose strategy is better.”
I don’t know if he’s enough of a household name with most Americans for him to make a real difference, akin to Ike or, well, Colin Powell. I’d like to see some polling though.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Petraeus is a good soldier. Therefore, I do not think he’d be too keen on taking the VP spot right now.
What I do believe will happen, is that when McCain is elected, Petraeus will be the next Army Chief of Staff, and then likely Chairman of the Joint Chiefs when Mullen’s term is up. McCain voted against the confirmation of General Casey as Army CoS.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:06 am
125: I think that’s a more likely scenario.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Was that the same Daily Telegrpah that said Rudy was the #1 conservative in America?
Petraeus would rock. I can see McCain introducing him at the convention, Gladiator style. “Are you not entertained?”
Petraeus and Powell are pretty much the same guy, really. Both accomplish the same thing.
As for McCain/Clinton, PUMA POWER!!! Other countries have had power sharing deals where one guy agrees to serve as the other guy’s #2 in exchange for something down the line. If McCain and Clinton team up and he agrees to serve one term and set her up for 2012, I’m all for it. That would really shock the world? McCain/Clinton. Obama would be finished. And the Clinton’s would have the last laugh when Barry gives his concession speech on election night.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:09 am
#120 - I think the superstar appeal of Petraeus is overstated. I think we forget that we on this site coalesce in this bubble of fellow political junkies and tend to forget (or be oblivious to) the inclinations of the average voter. Petraeus has name recognition, but I guarantee you 99% of Americans couldn’t possibly identify what he does. He’s a non-entity to those who don’t follow Iraq news pretty closely, and most Americans are burned out on the war at this point and aren’t paying much - if any - attention to congressional hearings. Plus, there’s no evidence that he’s got any aptitude for campaigning, and let’s not forget that he has ZERO gravitas or even known views on the economy. I’m not saying he’d be another James Stockdale, but I’d feel uneasy about installing him as a VP candidate. If that’s the direction Mac wants to go in, Powell is the far, far better option.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:09 am
I’d almost like to see Petraeus campaign hard for McCain more than I’d like to see him run as VP. That puts Obama in a terrible spot because he’d basically have to tell America he’d replace Petraeus as president. A Coup de grâce for sure. I know generals aren’t supposed to campaign, but the stakes are pretty darn high.
5 combat-related casualties in July for those who are counting.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Wouldn’t it be fun if we could have like a VP reality game show. Say 20 candidates on both sides that have to do competitions every week (debate, campaign, answer voter questions, participate in mock scenarios, whatever) and you could have 3 judges for each side the candidate, a former VP and a strategist (say McCain, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove on one side and Obama, Al Gore and Howard Dean on the other) and every week you have eliminations until you get down to 1 VP winner for each side. It’s absurd, but its a funny idea I had. You can do the little commenting interviews with each candidate throughout the show and everything.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:12 am
#130 - American Idol for politics. I love it. It’d be even better if we could get them to sing. I mean, Rove’s already publicly rapped…
July 25th, 2008 at 12:13 am
Let us play six degrees of Kevin Bacon (great game btw),
Iraq - Surge - McCain - Petraeus - Moveon.org - Obama
McCain must pick someone who is a neo-con. Anyone else is unacceptable. That is my litmus test, and the litmus test for others on this site.
Palin, Ridge, Rudy, Cantor, Pawlenty, Jindal, Lieberman, Rice, Blackburn.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Alex,
The telegraph based their view that Petraeus is a conservative on his support for the surge. That seems flimsy to me. I’d guess that a disproportionate number of Democratic Officers supported the surge; in general military men are considerably more hawkish then their civilian counterparts. Prominent conservative Generals sound nothing like Petraeus when discussing foreign policy; Tommy Franks, Swarzkoff (sp?), Abizaid often come across as Patton types. Petraeus in contrast is mild and cautious and he’s effortlessly dodged all political questions. Again, this is somewhat unusual. Active Generals don’t overtly campaign, but they usually have clear tells. Petraeus has no tells, as far as I can see.
I suspect sjm855 is referring to an interview Max Boot gave months ago on the Hugh Hewitt show, where he said something like “Petraeus is almost certainly a Democrat”. That said, I’m encouraged by an article from a few months ago, where anonymous sources claimed that Petraeus was very ambitious, and had openly suggested, to friends, that he might pursue the Republican nomination in 2012.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Win M. please, you’re embarrassing yourself.
http://www.pollingreport.com/P.htm#Petraeus
My gosh! Scroll down one from Petraeus and read the approval ratings. Powell is off the chart!
Powell:
Very positive-41
Somewhat positive-30
Neutral-15
Somewhat negative-7
Very negative-3
Insanity!
July 25th, 2008 at 12:17 am
If McCain wants an attack VP, maybe he should run with Jesse Jackson
July 25th, 2008 at 12:17 am
“McCain must pick someone who is a neo-con. Anyone else is unacceptable. That is my litmus test, and the litmus test for others on this site.”
I’m sure that’s not universally true. There are other valid conservative foreign policy paradigms. I’m a Buchananite when it comes to foreign policy.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:17 am
133 — Well, you never know. But either way, it wouldn’t rule him out (see: Joe Lieberman), and the honor of being a general and his hawkish foreign policy views cancel out any griping from all but fringe conservatives.
(Schwarzkopf, by the way.)
July 25th, 2008 at 12:18 am
I’m sure that’s not universally true. There are other valid conservative foreign policy paradigms. I’m a Buchananite when it comes to foreign policy.
For some others on this site, he meant. Such as myself, or Metro, or Aron.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:19 am
It’s a good thing Arnold isn’t a citizen:
Schwarzenegger/Schwarzkopf ‘08: It’s fantastic! With all deh letters and deh spelling…
July 25th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Nah, all the mormons would Mitt to the front, just like they did with Archuleta.
I would like to see Randy, though. “Mitt, Dog, I’m just not feeling you, a little too pitchy, yo!”
Patrick, isn’t Army COS a demotion for Petraeus? He’s head of centcom. COS is a desk job with little authority where they can put old guys out to pasture, see Casey.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:19 am
139: Woops, not citizen meant to say eligible for President. Hope I didn’t step on my joke!
July 25th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Nah, all the mormons would Mitt to the front, just like they did with Archuleta.
Oh, I had the biggest little crush on him. Don’t think it was just the Mormons pushing him to the front. Swooning adolescents such as myself did, too.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:21 am
#134 - Am I missing something? Did you actually read my post? I said that Powell was a better option than Petraeus - precisely because HE POLLS SO HIGH.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Win M,
I’d point out that the sort of Generaling Petraeus has done over the last year and a half is it’s own kind of campaigning, and there’s something to be said about the fact that, even after his creation of a plan that virtually no Democrats supported, it’s still not entirely clear that he’s a Republican. He’s been utterly opaque on anything that might be construed as political. That takes a certain sort of skill, which will come in handy on the trail.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:23 am
He couldn’t have been pleased at being called “General Betray Us” or told on the Senate floor that his report requires “a willing suspension of disbelief”. Hmmmm. He has some scores to settle.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:24 am
#144 - Good point, and I totally agree. But I think that politically opaque quality would be nullified by putting him on the ticket. I really think he’s a better asset to McCain by remaining exactly where he is, doing what he’s already been doing. I think he’s got the levelest head of any prominent general out there right now (*ahem* Peter Pace).
July 25th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Sampo, you’re link to Powell’s popularity is from 2004!!
I mean, even Bush had high popularity in 2004. I’d like to see something a bit more recent.
Petraeus being apolitial could be an asset to McCain. “I’m usually above politics, and I don’t get involved. But the stakes are just too high this election, and after meeting Sen Obama, I cannot stand idly by”. Something like that would be pure gold.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:24 am
People know darn well who Petraeus is.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:25 am
145 — MoveOn.org did endorse Obama, too.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:25 am
#144, you make a fantastic points. On Petraeus, could we include him as an experienced administrator on par with Governor’s or a NYC mayor?
McCain most certainly will pick a strong Administrator, and this belief of mine has ben confirmed with the names leaked recently, and those who have gone quiet, such as Thune.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Imagine the Petraeus v. Obama narrative:
“You accepted the support of a group that accused me of betraying the country.”
“Well, no, I can’t be held accountable for what all of my supporters do.”
“Then do you disavow MoveOn.org?”
Then watch him squirm.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:27 am
151: Sadly he’d be debating whoever Obama’s VEEP is, which runs the risk of him having less domestic policy knowledge and seeming out of his league. Hopefully they’d prep him well.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Moveon.org is a liability. Remember that shot Hillary took at them before the PA primary?
July 25th, 2008 at 12:28 am
#152, Obama’s VP will be a liberal foreign policy expert.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:28 am
Alex,
I can’t argue with that. I’ve said before, I’ll follow David Petraeus anywhere. If he’s a Democrat, then so be it. If he runs for the Democratic nomination in 2012, and Pawlenty isn’t the Republican nominee, he has my support (provided he’s not on the lunatic fringe on social issues). Anyway, since he has almost no known political views, he could easily moderate any particularly liberal beliefs.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:28 am
#151 - Ok, now you’re tempting me. Nothing whets my palate like thinking about His Royal Sagacious Holiness in the hot seat.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:28 am
jim, didn’t see that. rasmussen has polls from last year. he blows everyone away.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/mccain_favorables_continue_downward_trend
July 25th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Here is Hillary. http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/04/374739.shtml
July 25th, 2008 at 12:32 am
I can’t argue with that. I’ve said before, I’ll follow David Petraeus anywhere. If he’s a Democrat, then so be it. If he runs for the Democratic nomination in 2012, and Pawlenty isn’t the Republican nominee, he has my support (provided he’s not on the lunatic fringe on social issues). Anyway, since he has almost no known political views, he could easily moderate any particularly liberal beliefs.
He wouldn’t run for the Democratic nomination. Can you imagine Democrats lining up behind Petraeus? Hah.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Petraeus debating Obama’s VP? Even better. I’d pay to him wipe the smile off that smug punk Biden’s face. Or can you imagine if Obama goes with some lightweight change agent like Kaine or Sebelius? Or Bland Bayh?
“Gov Kaine, your boss bet on defeat. I command men in the field and he wants to be their leader. He thought they’d lose, in fact he was sure of it and wanted to speed up their demise. How do you expect my troops to respect a man who doesn’t have respect for them?” and he could close out the debate with
You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said “thank you,” and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:41 am
Powell is +57 according to rasmussen! Get him on the ticket stat.
And those numbers were after his UN debacle, and when Iraq was very unpopular.
If only Powell would take it.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:43 am
I’m sure that’s not universally true. There are other valid conservative foreign policy paradigms. I’m a Buchananite when it comes to foreign policy.
True, however paleos do not share McCain’s priorities, principles or values; prerequisites he has repeated ad nauseum. And so, in that respect, Kristofer is correct. Anyone but a neocon is unacceptable — to McCain.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:46 am
#162, “is unacceptable — to McCain”
Thank you adding that, I will vote for McCain no matter who is on the ticket. They have the internal polling, I do not.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:58 am
McCain himself isn’t a neo-con, so why would that be such a big deal?
Palin isn’t a neo-con, neither is Ridge, Jindal, Pawlenty, or most of the others you mentioned.
A Neo-con refers to former 60s liberals who left the party after it lurched the left and went anti-war and gave up the fight against the commies, but who still remained largely socially liberal and liberal on domestic issues.
just being pro-Iraq and tough on terrorism and Jihad doesn’t make one a neo-con.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Jim, I think that was the origin of a small handful of the original neo-cons, but later they were joined by many, many others, big names who had no history in the Democratic party.
The term no longer refers to those original few.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:06 am
The bloom would come off Powell’s rose pretty fast, there would be alarm bells and a call to arms among the MSM to tar the guy, plus the idea of Powell is probably more appealing than the real thing. It usually is.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:06 am
#165, Lieberman is the last “true” Liberal convert to neo-conservatism (by Jim’s logic).
July 25th, 2008 at 1:12 am
%83. ““Ugh, I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.”
I have been reading that phrase quite a bit here on R42008, usually when Romney or Huckabee is mentioned. What’s with all this half ass vomiting? If someone turns your stomach so much that you feel like puking, I say do it right. Hurl, baby hurl!
July 25th, 2008 at 1:13 am
now the term refers to Jewish conservatives who have a hawkish foreign policy.
I mean when they use it for guys like Cheney? How is he a neo-con? he was always a conservative.
The neo is the key part.
Bloom of Powell’s rose? I don’t think so. Sure, Obama would keep his Hitler Jugend and his far left base, but McCain would scoop up the Reagan dems, the independents, and every one else.
McCain/Powell vs Obama/Kaine or Obama/Biden/Dodd/Hagel/Bayh would be a blowout.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:49 am
I personally like Powell a lot but McCain/Powell would be very old and too much of a “war” ticket. Still, McCain needs a game changer and that would be it… McCain would be foolish not to choose Powell if Powell is willing to join the ticket. I highly doubt that Powell would if only because his legacy would then include standing in the way of the first African-American President.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:56 am
The term now refers to a foreign policy school originated by that group.
July 25th, 2008 at 6:50 am
McCain is picking AFTER Obama.
And he still has 6 weeks to wait if he wants.
July 25th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Interesting choices.
Yes, Powell would be good,, but WHY would he possibly be interested if he doesn’t want to be President? Does he enjoy funerals and lunches and long Senate naps? He likes his car collection a lot better. And Powell is NOT going to play second fiddle to anyone.
Ridge?… Terrible choice. A little help in Pennsylvania but not enough. Links to Bush would kill him in rest of country. Pro-choice position would cause chaos in convention. Selection would have conservatives stay home. Boring candidate that Joe Biden would
destroy in any debate.
Palin? ….Totally unknown everywhere outside of Juneau. Good looking but paper thin resume would erase issue of unprepared for Obama. Probably 4-8 years too soon.
Lieberman.. Social views, coupled with McCain, would cripple the GOP. Unacceptable. No economic credentials on THE major issue of the campaign. No management/executive background.
Pawlenty…..Also totally unknown outside Minnesota. Can’t bring any states with him probably including Minnesota.
Comes down to Romney, even if you use a process of elimination and don’t really like Romney. Other guys, Portman, Jindal, et al say they are not interested and would decline choice.
July 25th, 2008 at 8:46 am
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I don’t want T-Paw, I just think McCain is more likely to pick him than Romney. Palin’s the only one on that list I would not plug my nose and vote for McCain on. McCain/Palin 2008!