Huck’s Michigan supporters are apparently drawing a line in the sand:
Michigan supporters of Mike Huckabee’s campaign will hold a pair of meetings Wednesday with John McCain’s presidential campaign, and among their goals will be to convince the Republican nominee not to name Mitt Romney as his running mate.
McCain himself is tentatively scheduled to meet Wednesday with about 10 social conservative activists and religious leaders from around Michigan, according to two people familiar with the arrangements. Separately, about 40 Huckabee supporters will meet Wednesday evening in Saginaw with a McCain campaign liaison to social conservatives, said Debra Matney, a Huckabee supporter from Fairgrove in Michigan’s Thumb who is helping to organize the event.
Marlys Popma, an Iowa social conservative activist who heads up McCain’s outreach to evangelical conservatives, will represent McCain at the Saginaw meeting, Matney said.
Leah Yoon, a spokeswoman for the McCain campaign, confirmed that McCain plans to meet with “grass-roots and faith-based leaders” during his Michigan visit on Wednesday.
McCain’s vice presidential selection is likely to be a major topic at both meetings. Matney said Huckabee supporters want the former Arkansas governor on the ticket; failing that, she said, many would oppose Romney. While the Michigan native and former Massachusetts governor got significant support from many conservatives during his primary campaign, others say they are suspicious of his relatively recent move to social conservative positions on issues such as abortion and gay marriage.
Some Huckabee supporters will not back McCain if Romney is on the ticket, Matney said. “That’s not the sentiment of everybody,” she said. “(But) we would certainly rather have somebody other than Romney on the ticket. Who he chooses will speak volumes to us.”
First off, allow me to bottom line this… What MI So-Cons are really saying here is that by picking Romney, Sen. McCain will be effectually kissing Michigan’s electoral votes goodbye as he will have to win the state without them.
Secondly, what does this tell us about some people’s beliefs regarding Romney’s chances of the Veep spot?
As it is said, developing…
August 12th, 2008 at 12:35 am
I’ve been losing a lot of respect for some of the social conservatives of this nation. The born again’s and their Catholic/Protestant hate is something I do not like in my party. I will not allow ‘haters’ to rule my party that’s for sure.
No surprise here with the Romney thing, although he shares many of their views on marriage, alcohol, and tobacco.
McCain/Romney ‘08..
August 12th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Hmmm. If true it’s a big deal McCain is meeting with these folks.
It would show someone in his campaign understands he can’t take social conservatives for granted, especially in swing states.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:36 am
This pisses me off. I live very close to Saginaw and would love to go there and tell the McCain “liason” that he should kiss off the Huckleberry supporters. Screw them- they don’t speak for Michigan conservatives.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Wow. And people say Rombots are nutty.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Doug #2,
What the scheduling of the meeting tells me is that Team McCain has finally woken up and realized how important this is for his chances of winning in November.
I doubt he will make any concessions or promises regarding what he will actually do. That’s just not his style.
But it is encouraging that McCain is having this meeting to make it clear to MI So-Cons that they (and what they believe it) are very important to him.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:41 am
“what does this tell us about some people’s beliefs regarding Romney’s chances of the Veep spot?”
That he will not be the selection. Period.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Kavon, I bet you that types these meetings have been going on for a while (Ohio a couple of weeks ago), and I am guessing the anti-Romney campaign is coordinated.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Kristopher,
What this tells me is that some folks are apparently concerned with the prospect. What they are basing that opinion on (inside knowledge or not), is what I am wondering about.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:49 am
#8, maybe, but I believe this is coordinated at a larger level….there have been a lot of subtle hints lately.
“about 15 to 20 percent of the evangelical community would have a problem with his Mormonism.” – Richard Land, President of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission
August 12th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Not that anything could turn me into a Romney supporter, but this sort of stuff pushes me in that direction.
Of course, I’ve seen Rombots saying that they’ll take their ball and go home if Huck is on the ticket, so turnabout is fair play, I guess.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Here’s a sneak preview of “the near final draft of the Democratic Party platform”
August 12th, 2008 at 12:57 am
Look at this!
“Hillary Clinton has been privately enumerating her doubts about Obama to supporters, according to people who have spoken with her. Clinton’s pollster Mark Penn recently unveiled a PowerPoint presentation red-flagging Obama’s lukewarm leads among white female voters and Hispanics – while predicting a five-point swing could turn a presumed Obama win into a McCain landslide.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/11/politics/politico/main4336774.shtml
August 12th, 2008 at 1:56 am
Those Huck supporters are so transparent. If their real complaint was a potential VP’s lack of support for abortion or traditional marriage, they would not be picking on one man who supports those issues. They would be vocal about all potential pro-choice VPs including Tom Ridge and Joe Lieberman. And you don’t hear their voices loudly opposing those, do you?
So you could wonder what’s really bothering them. Because if it was abortion, they have way more choices to oppose than just one man. Its pretty clear that it Romney’s religion they oppose because no one religious group spends so much time focused on opposing one guy who agrees with them without religious zeal of some sort. This kind of hate is so apparent that the more they protest its not religious the more silly their arguments seem that its something else.
You can see what binds them together, its religion and support for one of their own. And the same religious fervor that would deny religious freedom to others will now attempt to deny McCain a man of his choosing.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:16 am
These bible-thumping evangelicals suck. God forbid if a Mormon is chosen as VP. Oh no. We can’t have that. I guess the Evangelicals are so doubtful of their own power of persuasion that they fear the Mormons will convert all of their church goers to their religion. It’s kind of pathetic actually.
I understand the argument that Romney is faking his pro-life cred. But if these stupid ignorant evangelicals were’t simply being bigoted then they would be gathering to convince McCain to not pick Ridge – not Romney.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:22 am
The bullies are back at it, with Huck leading the charge. Anyone who doesn’t think Huck is behind this is a fool. He’s been orchestrating everything these hostage-takers do, from the anti-Mitt ad petition to the warning letter to this. The fact is, these people are killing whatever influence they had left. They’re nothing if not divisive. It’s not exactly what we need right now.
The fact that McCain is meeting with them is insignificant. Sure, he’ll listen and pretend to care, but he won’t be bullied. He has the actual poll showing Romney helps him take the state. Remember how the grass-roots effort of pastors in MI (illegal) to get out the vote for Huck failed miserably? I do. So does McCain. This is a bunch of BS.
The funniest thing is that they are asking for Huckabee to be on the ticket, Har.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:23 am
Lori, are you on TH? I’m PC.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:36 am
MI primary results: Romney 39%, John 30%, Huck 16%. Looks like the social conservative leaders and pastors who supported Huck and opposed Romney in MI didn’t amount to a hill of beans.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:00 am
my god I hate mike huckabee and his supporters so much. Screw them
August 12th, 2008 at 4:15 am
The thing that bothers me about these so-called “Evangelical Leaders” is that they are a bunch of whiny little babies. Even though a handful of the Rombots on this website have threatened to stay home if their man isn’t chosen as VP, when was the last time “Mormon Leaders” in NV threatened to withhold their vote and allow the party to lose a state’s electoral votes just to make a point?
The only people in religious leadership positions who play these games are the evangelicals. First they threaten to not want participate in GOTV efforts if Huck didn’t get the nomination. Now that they lost that fight, they’re trying to exert influence and threaten to stay home if he isn’t made VP or if (God forbid) someone who has different religious views than they do gets the nod over one of their own.
These people are the worst kind of poor sports. Are economic conservatives going to stay home? No. Giuliani supporters? No. Romney supporters (by and large)? No. The only people playing these sort of games are the bigoted members of the Jesus Brigade.
August 12th, 2008 at 5:13 am
Well put Adam.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:11 am
of course this is a coordinated campaign folks…
http://race42008.com/2007/12/07/huckabee-and-the-renewal-project/
August 12th, 2008 at 6:35 am
I LOATHE Mike Huckabee.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:45 am
The funny thing is that McCain doesn’t really need Socially Conservative voters. He needs “fiscally conservative/socially tolerant” libertarian-minded voters. And the only way he can win libertarian voters over to his side is by picking a libertarian-leaning VP like Mitt Romney or Sarah Palin. Saving that, libertarians will vote en masse for Libertarian Bob Barr.
As a Republican for Barr, I almost hope that McCain does take the Michigan Social Conservatives’ advice.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:51 am
Looks more and more like Mitt isn’t the choice for McCain.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
August 12th, 2008 at 6:51 am
Eric,
McCain needs so-cons AND fiscal conservatives.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:07 am
Huck supporters are practicing “Up and down politics, not left or right”. Yeah right, it is pretty apparent, when Huck was asked on Hannity and Colmes who was an acceptable VP nominee, he told Hannity that it should be a Governor like “Pawlenty or Ridge” but he refused to mention Romney as acceptable.
Oh yeah, a pro-abortion governor like Tom Ridge is acceptable. As long as Romney is not the pick. What a freakin’ transparent bigot.
Screw them McCain. Have some courage and balls to defy the knuckle draggers.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:10 am
If Mr. Huckabee is behind such sabotage, it is news to me, the Huckabee camp never asked me to partake in such sabotage against Mr. Romney. Maybe, I am naive, but I think the Romney camp is all of a sudden giving the Huckabee camp too much credit. We have heard for months that not only would Mr. Huckabee produce damage in Michigan, Mr. Romney would turn this Blue state to Red. Now, all of a sudden the Romney camp is afraid that Mr. Huckabee is hurting him in Michigan. I would like to know the real story.
Anyway, if there is such a group up in Michigan trying to sabotage Mr. Romney, if it is based on policy differences, I have no problem with their actions even if I disagree with their tactics. If their actions are purely based on religious bigotry then I believe it is not right. In any event, it is interesting that the Romney camp says that this group has no much power in Michigan in all places because the Romney camp claimed that they had this state in the bag.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Regarding Land’s recent statement, he made it clear he personally would welcome Mitt as VP.
Richard Land: I think Mitt Romney would be an excellent choice. There are people in the evangelical community who would have a problem with his Mormonism. I am not one of them. I mean, I’m very clear that I do not believe Mormonism is a Christian faith. But that does not disqualify someone from being President or Vice President. And my guess would be that, probably, about 15 to 20 percent of the evangelical community would have a problem with his Mormonism.
“the Evangelicals are so doubtful of their own power of persuasion that they fear the Mormons will convert all of their church goers to their religion. It’s kind of pathetic actually”
That’s exactly what they fear! They are afraid more people will open their doors to the LDS missionaries, or talk to their LDS neighbors about their beliefs. They have no confidence in their parishoners being able to absorb new doctrine without converting. They don’t fear the candidates would do anything outwardly to move things in that direction, but they do fear they would conduct themselves in such a fine manner, and work their tail off for the good of the country, and that would cause some of their parishioners to be interested in learning more. Personally, I think that fear is unfounded, and that the impact of this would be minimal, if any.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:15 am
I’m disappointed in your answer OHIO. You’re a smarter man than this, and more fair.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Ohio Joe,
I’m not in the Romney camp, though I’d be fine if he were the VP nominee. And I never believed and still don’t believe that Romney will “get” Michigan for us. Either McCain will do it on his own or he won’t.
But it’s not merely based on policy differences if Huck goes on TV and says that Ridge is acceptable without mentioning Romney would be too – especially since all the pundits were wondering whether or not he would be chosen. It’s not like he just forgot. And someone so involved in Evangelical Protestantism knows full well what Mormons believe in terms of whether or not Jesus and the devil are supposedly siblings. He tried to underhandedly paint Romney’s religion as somehow alien or foreign and figured he’d get away with it because he is from a larger flock. It was dishonest and dirty – and this is coming from a Roman Catholic – not a Mormon.
Huck and his ilk have been playing this holier than thou “I’m with Jesus” shit for a longtime and it’s getting old. It turns my stomach that the Republican Party needs these backward thinking rednecks in order to win – but here we are.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Look, you cannot have your cake and eat it too, as I said, I do not know this group up in Michigan and thus not part of it and would not partake in it if their only purpose is to sabotage Mr. Romney for his religion. However, I fail to understand why the Romney camp would fear such a group if it is so confident of winning MI. If you are disappointed in my answer, there is nothing I can do. I have said that while he is Mr. Romney is not my first choice for VP, I can live with him more than other. Mr. Romney’s faith (although different than mine) is not a problem for me. I certain do not pretend to speak for all Catholic and Protestants or even anybody else besides myself. Yes, I realize than some Protestants and Catholic do not like Mormons. However, I believe that most of us do not hold his religion against him. Not all of us who support a different candidate hate Mormons just like not all of us who dislike Mr. Obama hate African Americans.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:30 am
Adam – “Even though a handful of the Rombots on this website have threatened to stay home if their man isn’t chosen as VP”
I’ve been here for a year and a half and I don’t recall any of us saying that. Perhaps, immediately after Mitt dropped, but nothing recently I don’t believe.
Btw, did you notice a few days ago how Dick Morris switched his answer when asked who he believed would be the VP. He had been saying Ridge, and the other night he indicated he thought it would be Mitt Romney.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:31 am
Yes I realize that their are Reck-necks in this country, but I am neither a Red-Neck nor a Blue Neck.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:34 am
IL Guy,
No, I would agree with you. Not recently. A few Romney supporters did say that. But they seem to have left. Still, the larger point is that no major Mormon leader has ever made any threat to sit this one out – unlike the evangelicals.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:34 am
OHIO “I fail to understand why the Romney camp would fear such a group if it is so confident of winning MI” You’ve mentioned this twice now. Where are you getting this Romney camp fear remark from. Hardly any of the above postings are from Romney supporters, and they are exhibiting disgust, not fear.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Mr. Morris changes his mind almost as much as his underwear. Again, I cannot speak for anyone else, but I would prefer Mr. Romney over Mr. Ridge even though Mr. Ridge is a co-religionist of mine.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:45 am
Romney may or may not be a good pick for Michigan or nationally. I’m not going to debate that one way or the other. However, the key thing to remember is that so-cons do not vote as a block. I know for myself, even though I’m pro-life, I choose who I want to vote for on my own. I don’t get marching orders from the Christian Coalition or some group like that. It’s probably different for me though since I’m a Catholic and not an Evangelical. Even so, Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy Giuliani. Did that bring any so-cons to Giuliani’s side? Did the fact that the National Right to Life committee endorsed Fred Thompson bring any so-cons to him? I think rank and file so-cons would probably accept Romney in Michigan even if their leadership does not. The question is whether moderates would accept Romney.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:48 am
Let’s assume for a minute that Land’s remark is accurate, that 15-20% of evangelicals would have a problem with Mitt’s Mormonism. Heck yes, they have a problem with it, but how many would change their vote because of it? Probably a relative few, given that on the issue they feel strongest about, Obama is 180 degrees from them. I think there could also be a backlash from this, and that some people (not talking about LDS) could be energized by this small faction of evangelicals pulling these stunts. I could see some people who have not voted for a while getting off the couch and registering/voting to make their own statement about the tactics of these bigots.
Btw, as I’ve said before, I come from a long line of Democrats. My dad and granddad’s generations were all Democrats. However, I don’t think they would be this year. My Uncles’s wife, who has been strong Democrat her whole life, and is in her eighties now is voting for McCain for the first time, and it has nothing to do with Obama being African-American.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:48 am
Agreed. My problem is with the tactics being employed by the Huck-a-nuts. They suck.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Good to see that the Rombots’ hatred of evangelicals is alive and well………..
Interestingly, those of us who oppose(d) Romney didn’t generally allow our dislike of the charlatan to spill over into hatred towards his supporters. But some of the Rombots here seem to actively hate not just Huckabee, but his supporters.
And they claim WE’RE divisive?
August 12th, 2008 at 7:50 am
McCain doesn’t bend over for anyone. That said, the fact that McCain never liked Romney in the first place means that he now has one more excuse to NOT pick Mitt.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:51 am
MWS,
It’s Huck’s prominent SUPPORTERS in Michigan that are trying to strong-arm McCain. I don’t see any leaders of Mormon churches in NV threatening to bolt if they don’t get their way. That is the difference.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:52 am
But I agree with DaveG. McCain is going to pick or not pick Romney based on McCain and not some bible-thumping “My God is better than your God” Huckabee surrogates.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:54 am
I do agree with Adam. We should let McCain be McCain and pick who he is comfortable with. Also, apparently the liberals think McCain’s pro-life credentials are okay… http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=3483eb20-9228-4700-9557-57a47a676e0b
August 12th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Of course there are always going to be a few people threatening to take their marbles home. However, I for one would vote for any number of people on the ticket other than Mr. Huckabee which includes Mr. Romney among them. While Social Conservative may not be excited about Mr. Romney, I believe most will vote for a McCain/Romney ticket and if they do end up voting Libertarian, I believe it will be in most cases, (not all) reasons other than Mr. Romney will be responsible. I kind of resent the fact that Catholics and Protestants are being accused of being unfaithful to the party. Most of us do not hate Mormons and most of us will in the end vote for a McCain/Romney ticket even if it is not our first choice. This supposed group does not represent all (or even most) of us.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Let me say that not all Huckabee supporters are knuckle draggers. Many former Huckabee supporters would support a Romney VP selection. The ones who wouldn’t support Romney but would support Ridge instead though are the knuckle draggers and our party and this country doesn’t need them.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:57 am
Let me make clear that my problem is not with all Huckabee supporters. I only have issues with the ones that won’t play in the sandbox nicely with everyone else and won’t fall into line behind our nominee like everyone else.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:58 am
MWS – I searched in vain for any remarks above for LDS hating supporters of Huckabee.
They are upset at this group for their bigoted activities, but I saw nothing resembling hate. Most of the strong comments above are from people who are not rombots, showing their disdain for these underhanded tactics.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:06 am
“Up and down politics not left or right”
Oh yeah, Huck keep practicing the pharisical (I am with God better than the other guy) approach to life and politics and you will lead this country into the gutter.
Didn’t Jesus respect the Samaritan (the heretic) more than the Scribe (Bible thumper)? I wonder why?
August 12th, 2008 at 8:15 am
I believe, JESUS respected the Samaritan as much as the Scribes, not more. JESUS did not call the Scribe Knuckle draggers. I do not think that Mr. Huckabee claims to be closer to GOD or that GOD loves him more than other. Yes, he is a religious man, but he does not hate others. I do not know Mr. Huckabee, so I do not know what is in his heart, but when I heard him speak, I did not hear any hate.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:20 am
Reread your New Testament. The Scribes were constantly under condemnation being Jesus for being so judgemental towards others. Jesus was very welcoming of the Samaritans unlike the Scribes. I would hope all would follow Jesus’s example of love.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Let me first state that I am a Huckabee supporter. 1. Huckabee does not support Ridge for VP. He was on H&C and was asked who is being considered for VP-not who he thinks would make a good VP-again who is being talked about for VP. He said Pawlenty, Ridge and Crist. Crist was up next on H&C. Then when he asked who it should be, he declined to answer. Then when pushed, he said Pawlenty. Huckabee does not support Ridge, so please quit lying and saying he does.
2. The group of people that are meeting in Saginaw was all started by a Huckabee supporter who got in touch with McCain’s faith based person Marlys Pompa. She was contacted by an everyday person like you who wanted their candidate to be considered. Issues such as abortion and gay marriage are of utmost importance and these issues will be discussed at the meeting. Yes, Huckabee supporters said that Ridge, Powell, Rice, etc are not acceptable as they are pro-choice.
The Romney supporters should feel comforted knowing that all of those members who are still on Hucksarmy and Huckpac have no bigotry about Romney’s religion. Whoever is out there making those wacky comments are doing it to make Huckabee supporters look bad. Huckabee supporters did not like Romney’s sudden conversion to the conservative social issues.
And just to be clear, there are many Huckabee supporters who are not religious or evangelical, they liked Huckabee and the fair tax. There are many who liked how Huckabee reached out to the african americans-Huckabee got 48% of the aa vote.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:24 am
nowandlater, Huckabee probably got that vertical politics thing from Dick Morris, it is just like Bill Clinton’s triangulation.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:27 am
#52:
My friend, you are wasting your breath. The Rombots here have a warped hatred of Huckabee. They blame him for
their own candidate’s failures (especially when it comes to IA and NH). To the Rombots, Huckabee ruined the nomination
for Romney and for that sin, they damn-near want to burn him and his supporters at the stake (this is coming from
a Catholic, we know a little something about burning heretics)
August 12th, 2008 at 8:28 am
I like Romney better than Huckabee, but one argument you could make in Huckabee’s favor is that he has a larger base than Romney. Romney just has a small group of Mormons who probably would vote anyway. Huckabee can motivate a lot of Evangelicals to come out to the polls, and there are more Evangelicals than Mormons. Obviously, in the primaries Romney got more votes than just Mormons, but the Mormons were his only natural base. He had to compete with McCain and Huckabee for other wings of the party.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:28 am
This certianly doesn’t reflect well on the greater evangelical movement. Shame. Now I understand why Mormon leaders are adamant
about being apolitical.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:36 am
One question for the Romney folks, why is it ok for Romney surrogates to meet with McCain and talk about Romney being on the ticket, but not ok for Huckabee’s? Karl Rove has been pushing for Romney since before the primaries was over with. You don’t think that Rove has been in contact with McCain or a top McCain advisor? Or what about O’Reilly and Hannity and all of the other fauxnews cast of characters, they have been in the tank for Romney and I am sure have put in many plugs to the McCain people that they know. Same with the folks at NRO.
The only reason you are hearing about the Huckabee surrogates is because the media/pundits are trying to make it look like it is religion based. Richard Land, quoted about the Mormon bias, did not support Huckabee and does not like Huckabee. So maybe he said it to make Huckabee and his supporters look like bigots.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:37 am
True to a degree. But the Rombots also saw Huckabee exploiting his religion to divide social conservatives for his benefit. If I were a Rombot that would piss me off too.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Thanks for clarifying that Texas, I thought that the Romney camp were pulling a fast one be accusing Mr. Huckabee of supporting Mr. Ridge. Anyways, even though I do not support Mr. Ridge myself, does not Mr. Huckabee have the Democratic right to do so?
To be sure JESUS did chastise the Scribes, but I do not recall reading where JESUS said that they were Knuckle Dragger or less Human.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:38 am
I was reflecting on this last night and three thoughts or possibilities came to mind regarding this story being leaked.
1) It means nothing, and it is now part of the campaign for McCain to meet with evangelical leaders.
2) McCain is leaking this story to build evidence on why he is not picking Romney.
3) He is going to pick Romney and he is trying to smooth over relations with some pro-Huckabee evangelic leaders.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Ahem. Again. Which Romney surrogates are threatening to bolt if McCain doesn’t choose Romney?
August 12th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Now remember, folks, not all Huckabee supporters would NOT vote for a McCain/Romney ticket. In fact, the ones that would not comprise a minute portion of his supporters.
At the end of the day, evangelicals will not allow Obama to be elected; McCain will win their vote no matter who is on the ticket (well, a Bloomberg or Lieberman or some other liberal might…).
August 12th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Huckabee managed 15% in Michigan, whereas it was easily the Romney campaign’s highlight, winning with almost 40%.
What leverage do Huckabee’s supporters have to demand anything?
August 12th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Aren’t the Michigan so-cons barking up the wrong tree? What the heck difference does it make whether he meets with this religious leader or that religious leader. All that matters is what McCain believes himself. How has he voted when abortion has come up in the U.S. Senate? How has he voted on gay rights, euthanasia, and whatever else these so-cons are concerned about? Isn’t how McCain votes more important than whether he “meets with them” or “takes their views seriously”?
August 12th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Virginia, Missouri and Ohio. Yeah. It’s frustrating, isn’t it?
August 12th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Jamison: You are right, most Huckabee supporters would support a Romney ticket. Although, the Romney camp is not making it easy with their insults.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:42 am
#63:
You want to tell 15% of the GOP primary voters in MI to go off? Oh yeah that is a great strategy “You are only
15% so we don’t need you”. Brilliant.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:43 am
I live in Atlanta. There are more social conservatives in my County than there are in the entire state of Michigan. I am so sick of these ” social conservatives ” threatening this and that in Michigan and Iowa, knowing full well that Romney got almost as many votes in Georgia as the Huckster and a hell of a lot more votes than Huckabee in Metro Atlanta. They are truly bigoted ” nutcases” . If the party wants to go this route, O.K., but not with me. I have been really leaning at walking away from the GOP permanently. This would be the absolute last straw. Join the Whigs,folks. Another band of know nothings.By the way, Huckabee does NOT have any larger band of voters than McCain or Romney here in Georgia. And…..as you probably know ( maybe ) there is not a very big LDS population in this state. So what to make of the Romney vote ? What to make of running 10 points ahead of Huckabee in the largest metro area in the state? What to make of this uncomfortable information ? Bunch of bigoted whacko’s ( I am a Methodist, by the way. )
August 12th, 2008 at 8:45 am
In fact, this whole campaign with McCain has been like that. He has a very clear voting record. The fi-cons are hard on him too. He’s voted for most tax cuts and against most tax increases, but fi-cons won’t forgive him because he voted against the Bush tax cuts and because he supports campaign finance reform. Conservatives of all stripes seem to be more concerned about whether McCain gives them enough red meat rhetoric than about how he has voted in his Senate career.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Good point Jonathan: Apparently, it appears that some think that they have MI in the bag to the point that they can tell 15% of the state to get lost and they can still win.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:45 am
HUCKABEE MUST DIE
August 12th, 2008 at 8:46 am
OHIO JOE, are you suggesting that these people represent 15% of the Michigan vote? If so, I doubt it.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Btw, the idea of John Engler sounds interesting.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am
The reason evangelicals are hesitant when it comes to Romney is, by and large, not because he is a Mormon!! It’s his past record; for abortion, now against it, for gun control, still for it to a degree, for universal health care, now against it, et cetera, ad nauseum.
You non-evangelical, non-So-Con, non-Huckabee people totally misunderstand and misrepresent us!
August 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Those are not my words Clarence, apparently that is what they are suggesting.
Falz: I take comfort in the fact that at least most Romney supporters are not as extreme or a sick as you.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am
#68:
And yet Huckabee got 54 delegates to Romney’s 6. So how do you explain that one, Mr. High-minded and Tolerant?
August 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am
#76 * In Georgia
August 12th, 2008 at 8:51 am
72
There is no way we can win Michigan (or for that matter, Ohio, Virginia, Missouri, Florida, etc.) without 15% of the Republican vote, although I seriously doubt that many Republicans would not vote for McCain/Romney, as I have said time and time again.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Ohio Joe, don’t feel insulted. Only those who play holier than thou politics should feel insulted. And rightly so. Jesus didn’t like Phariasical attitudes towards others and I don’t like them either.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Illinois,
“MWS – I searched in vain for any remarks above for LDS hating supporters of Huckabee.”
First off, I said “Rombots,” not “LDS.”
As for spreading the hate, Brian says “screw them” in #3, Alaksa says they’re “nutty” in #4, Adam says “These bible-thumping evangelicals suck,” in #14, Dufus says, “my god I hate mike huckabee and his supporters so much. Screw them in #18, Knighthawk echoes Adam by saying “Well put Adam.” in #20.
That’s just from the first 20 posts. Please note that I’m not whining about it, just pointing out what you apparently missed.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:54 am
MWS,
Nighthawk was responding to my #19. Help me out here. What did I say that was inaccurate in #19?
August 12th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Seriously. McCain is creating divisions in the party with all this leaks. the man have to decide now. All this things only make a portion of the party (Romney supporters) angry enough to not support McCain no matter what Romney himself do or say.
I don’t care if McCain choose someone else but he can’t allow this kind of threat.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:56 am
#74 And Huckabee would support pro abortion Ridge over pro life Romney? You Huck defenders are looking silly defending this nonsense.
Oh no! A politician changed! That’s a worse crime than being a current pro abort politician!!!
You that doesn’t make sense to me. But wait, this changed politician is a Mormon! Egad! Than it really is worse than support a pro-abort politician. That’s it. I will support Ridge over Romney.
Isn’t that a beautiful thought process.
Atleast with Rudy, he gave Socons a rationale to vote for him, but with Ridge there is no rationale.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:56 am
#81:
Calling Evangelicals “Bigoted members of the Jesus Brigade” is a great way to earn their trust and cooperation.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:00 am
It’s a minority of Evangelicals that are bigoted.
I know it maybe shocking, but any group (yes that includes Evangelicals) would have a minority within that group that does not represent them. These pharisees in the Evangelical movement are a minority. The majority are humble followers of Christ and are not deluded.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Jonathan,
Relatively easy to understand. Take it slowly. If you have a party rule which says the winner gets most or all of the delegates, whether winning by 1 vote or a million. Then, you win 20 counties by 10 votes each and lose one county by 190 votes, you have a 10 vote margin and all the delegates. You sqeeked by in 20 rural counties and got absolutely destroyed in one large metro county.
Simple, huh ?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Jonathan,
I wasn’t speaking of all evangelicals – only the ones that won’t vote for a candidate because he doesn’t have the same religious views.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Nowandlater:
As pointed out by Texas, Mr. Huckabee never actually said that he prefers Mr. Ridge and I for one have said more than once that I would prefer Mr. Romney over Mr. Ridge if those were the two choices. Again I cannot speak for anybody, but myself, but why do you automatically think we hate Mormons.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Jonathan,
Tolerance, Jonathan , is the absence of bigotry. See any exceptions to that rule, this year ?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:02 am
I don’t know where you guys are getting that Huckabee supports Ridge for VP. I have never heard that.
For all your talk about Huckabee people hating Romney, you guys top that. I have not seen such livid rage directed at members of your own party before. However, I will be generous and not ASSUME that ALL Romney folks are like you guys, unlike the way you are acting in this matter.
And you talk about the Huck supporters… my goodness, look in the mirror!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:05 am
88
Amen! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:05 am
It’s not a matter of hate. It’s a matter of underhanded tactics to belittle their religion so God Boy could capitalize on the fact that his flock has larger numbers.
This is what I am talking about
August 12th, 2008 at 9:06 am
He was prompted a couple of times by Hannity to mention Romney. Instead he went back to Pawlenty, Ridge. That’s just transparent.
I don’t think you guys hate Mormons. I wasn’t bashing you. I only bash if I have clear evidence. In this case, this group is explicity meeting to say not to pick Romney. But isn’t his other choices Lieberman and Ridge. The evidence is clear in this case so I feel free to bash this group of idiots.
I am not saying Huckabee supporters are in line with this thinking. I am only saying a small minority of them are. And to those I condemn.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:07 am
#86:
So what you’re saying is that pretty much everyone in rural Georgia are ” truly bigoted nutcases” for supporting
Huckabee over Romney. Besides you know damn well that there are at least 2 counties in greater Atlanta: Cobb
and Fulton, there is no “one large metro county”.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:07 am
No.75 (Ohio) I take confort to never support a candidate so liberal and so sick who love criminals, love high taxes and is part of the “blame america first” line of thinking.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Jamison:
I hope that they just got out of the wrong side of the bed. While, I never met Mr. Romney, I do not believe that he has the same hatred for us as a few of his supporters.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:10 am
We do not blame America MR. Falz. I for one love this country. I have heard your distorted song and dance before. Whatever floats your boat.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:10 am
#94 That’s a few thousand leaps of logic.
Here it is in simple terms.
The bigots are a small minority of a normally wonderful group of people. I condemn those bigots. And I would think you should too.
Where’s the affirmation of this condemnation? Don’t you condemn them too?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Everyone try this on for size:
“my candidate is the smartest, most articulate candidate in the race”
“we will win a great deal more of the Western states with my candidate”
“my candidate is the only one who truly represents the base of the party”
“my candidate has not flip-flopped on the issues, he just had a change of heart”
“just because my candidate has very little political experience, that doesn’t mean he can’t win”
Those comments could be made by supporters of only 2 candidates:
1.) Mitt Romney
2.) Barack Obama
August 12th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Cool. Change topics that is an interesting tactic.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:13 am
nowandlater,
“Where’s the affirmation of this condemnation? Don’t you condemn them too?”
It’s not a matter of not condemning what you call “bigotry,” it’s a matter of rejecting your premise that SoCon leaders who oppose the Charlatan are motivated by bigotry.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:13 am
95
Right. We don’t support Obama either.
96
Ditto. They just lost any credibility in their “Huckabee supporters are bigoted” argument. Pot calling the kettle black, folks. Take out your rage on the Democrats, please.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:13 am
#101:
Couldn’t have said it better myself
August 12th, 2008 at 9:14 am
101
Right on, MWS. Nailed it on the head.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am
So I guess some of you Huckabee supporters wouldn’t be offended or upset if a group of Mormon leaders held a meeting in a state
Huckabee trounced Romney and started making demands of McCain to not pick Huckabee? Or it wouldn’t bother them if during the
campaign Romney innocently asked a NY Times reporter: “Isn’t it true that evangelicals believe that Jesus prays to himself?
Just wondering…
August 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am
What about: “We have to stay in Iraq because we broke it, if you broke it you fixed”.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am
#83 Again, Huckabee does not support Ridge. I have the clip on my DVR. He was asked who is being talked about-not who he, Huckabee supports. I think there is anger there because he did not say Romney when asked who is being talked about. But again, Huckabee is very strong on the life begins at conception and ends at natural death. So he does not support Ridge.
But Gary Bauer was asking for people to email him who is make or break and was testing the waters to see if socons would accept Ridge.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am
67:
These guys aren’t 15% of the vote. They’re backroom douches claiming to represent Huckabee voters.
McCain could ignore them and get almost all of Huckabee’s actual voters.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Funny how they accuse us of thinking that we are better Christians. Now all of a sudden, we are not Americans.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am
“And the only way he can win libertarian voters over to his side is by picking a libertarian-leaning VP like Mitt Romney ”
ROMNEY’S SOCIAL VIEWS ARE CONSERVATIVE – NOT LIBERTARIAN. I’m not going to see Romney tainted with the “libertarian” label.
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Now, about these people – yes, I think there are some who have objections to Romney’s mormonism. But I don’t think they are anti-Romney as much as they are pro-Huckabee. Just like many Romney supporters, including myself, desire to see Romney as our heir apparent for 2012, these people want Huckabee want Huckabee.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:17 am
#101…. This group is not urging McCain to not pick Lieberman or Ridge who both are pro-abortion. Their only point is to urge him not to pick Romney.
That is undeniable clear evidence of bigotry. Sorry guys.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:18 am
You know, the archives here are filled with posts from Rombots who declare that they will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever vote for McCain if he picks Huckabee.
Is this- like so many assume regarding the motives of those who reject the Charlatan- primae facia evidence of bigotry?
Why can’t we disagree about candidates and who’d we support (or not) without one side constantly shouting “BIGOTS!!!!”
It’s like I woke up in the party of Jeremiah Wright or something…..
The martyr complex has got to stop.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Frankly Taylor, there is obviously nothing stopping you from starting up an anti-Huckabee campaign in any state of this Great country.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:19 am
111
You have a twisted definition of bigotry, my friend…
Are you against Obama becoming President?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am
I would reluctantly vote for McCain if he chose Huckabee. Both are good men in many respects and I think pro-life judges are too important in this election. I would have ignore Huckabee’s distateful actions but I would still vote for that ticket.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Act,
“But I don’t think they are anti-Romney as much as they are pro-Huckabee. Just like many Romney supporters, including myself, desire to see Romney as our heir apparent for 2012, these people want Huckabee want Huckabee.”
Thank you for bringing some level-headedness from the Romney side.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:21 am
71 That is why if Mittens is picked I will vote Obama because of the bogottry of the Romney supporters!!!Not because of his religion!!!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:21 am
#111
Placing pro abort politicians above Romney who is pro life is bigotry for these SoCons. I don’t think it is twisted. It’s pretty clear.
Is there a reason you are feeling so defensive?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am
#115:
And I would reluctantly vote for McCain if Romney is on the ticket. America’s foreign policy is too dangerous
to be left in the hands of Speaker Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Reid and President Obama
Can we at least all agree that defeating Obama is paramount and we can fix our own internal squabbles later?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Compare #115 to #117. How childish!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Ohio Joe, So are you admitting that Huckabee started an Anti-Romney campaign?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Nowandlater: Again there are plenty of people other than Mr. Huckabee that I would be OK with, they do not include Mr. Lieberman or Mr. Ridge.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:23 am
All I know is that if my primary concern was to fight for the Right in the culture war and my candidate was pro-life and in the process of choosing a running mate, I wouldn’t make a point to call a meeting just to persuade him not to pick someone new to the cause – especially when there are stories everywhere about said candidate being open to choosing someone who vehemently opposes everything I would stand for in this hypotetical situation. Where were the meetings where these Huckanuts tried to persuade McCain not to pick Lieberman or Ridge?
Sorry. I just don’t buy it. Huckabee and some of his ilk have been peddling this shit for too long.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:23 am
#119. Yes. I would add that this group in Michigan makes that goal even harder by ruling out a reasonable option.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:24 am
My God, you people need to step away from the keyboard.
The VP Pick is not that important. We vote for President, not VP. The VP is totally in McCains pervue to choose whom he sees fit. We will not influence this man.
I certainly hope that media and other establishment types are not trolling these comments sections. I am embarresed by both the Huckabee and Romney supporters on here. I vote to lock this thread and move on.
Move along, there is nothing to see here.At least nothing that matters.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am
118
By your definition, all those who are against Obama and not pumped for McCain would be bigots. Have you ever heard of honest disagreements? We who don’t want Romney aren’t bigots; we disagree with some of his stands, and wish to see a different person in the VP spot.
120
How about all the Rombots: “Kill Huckabee”, “HUCKABEE MUST DIE”, etc at the top of the thread and throughout? Childish?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am
The comments are in reaction to the anti-romney meeting. Maybe you should twll them to stop. They’re the embarassing ones.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:27 am
No I am not admiting anything because as I said before, I has never met these people. However, it appears to me that there are at least a few people who hate Mr. Huckabee. In the end, we live in a country where they have that democratic right.
Mr. Withrow, I respectfully ask you to reconcider your position. I believe that you are making a big mistake.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am
#122, Ohio Joe. And I count you as a rationale good voter.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Nowandlater,
“Placing pro abort politicians above Romney who is pro life is bigotry for these SoCons. I don’t think it is twisted. It’s pretty clear.
Is there a reason you are feeling so defensive?”
1. Romney is now nominally pro-life, where he was once nominally pro-choice. What does he really believe? Who knows?
2. I don’t place any pro abort politician over a pro-life one.
3. You don’t know that these people in Michigan do either. They are there to oppose Romney, maybe Ridge and Lieberman too, for all we know. But they obviously see Romney as a greater threat than Lieberman or Ridge. That does not mean that it’s because Romney is Mormon. That’s the sort of thinking we get from the Democrats…. “there is no sane reason to oppose Obama, so anyone who does must be racist.” If you oppose Lieberman for VP, does that make you anti-Semitic? Of course not.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am
(Isn’t is strange how the mention of Huckabee and/or Romney generates such controversy here?)
August 12th, 2008 at 9:30 am
#131:
We keep mocking the Dem’s for the pretense of unity that they have after the primaries, but in the end are we
really that different. The primaries aren’t over in the GOP, they have just moved from the top of the ticket to
the bottom.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:31 am
#126.
I admit I have thrown a few stones before. But I was not a rabid Romney supporter. I kept posting here for months, months, and months for him to drop out.
I think I have a good argument to condemn this group in Michigan. I am not making an argument wider than that. I don’t think it is reasonable and I wouldn’t want to make it.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:33 am
My thoughts? Don’t pick Romney or Huckabee. Apparently, those two are so controversial that either way we stand to lose too many Republicans to Barr or non-voting.
Besides, Huck made that (stupid) gun joke, and Romney appears too Wall Street-ish for the conservative Dems and Indies. Pick someone else, like Palin, Cantor, Pence, etc.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:34 am
#130.
Romney a bigger threat than Lieberman or Ridge? That’s baloney.
Let’s see Romney has changed, but his political history has been of one who keeps to campaign promises. So suddenly he is going to be pro-choice. That is nutty and demeaning. It really is. There is no evidence of Romney backing out of his campaign promises. Changing his position after he leaves office, sure. But otherwise no. He has a honarable track record on that area. To not see that is just playing politics.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Nowandlater:
I am sorry I was a little harsh with you. I am not necessarily looking to be called a rational voter (although, I try to be) I am just thankful that I now live in a country where I am allowed to have a vote (rational or not) in the primary as well as the general.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:38 am
I think I’m done here. No matter the pick, we must vote for McCain; Obama/Pelosi/Reid is too dangerous for America.
We need to focus on beating him, not ripping the Party to shreds.
McCain/Whoever ‘08!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Jamison,
I agree. I supported Huck in the primaries, but recognize that while he excites a sizable group of supporters, he also has some baggage. I think he could rally a core group of Republicans and attract some Reagan Democrats, but there are obviously a sizble chunk of the base who *really* doesn’t like him. That’s probably a good indicator to move on.
Likewise, Romney has a small fanatic following (as evidenced here) and can raise tons of money, but there is a large group of the base who does not trust him (and it has nothing to do with his Mormonism….) and don’t want to see him set up for ‘12 or ‘16. Again, time to move on.
Certainly no pick will please everyone, but it’s probably better for McCain to pick a lukewarm candidate than someone who is either loved or hated in his own party.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:40 am
#134:
Smartest thing that has been said on this thread all day
August 12th, 2008 at 9:41 am
“The VP Pick is not that important.”
I wouldn’t go that far…firstly, the VP pick may or may not have a say in policy, though on economic matters, it seems pretty clear that McCain will be looking for advice.
Secondly, the VP does matter in regards to the future. Short of a Lieberman pick, the VP is the likely nominee in four years
August 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Nowandlater,
“Let’s see Romney has changed, but his political history has been of one who keeps to campaign promises. So suddenly he is going to be pro-choice. That is nutty and demeaning. It really is. There is no evidence of Romney backing out of his campaign promises. Changing his position after he leaves office, sure. But otherwise no. He has a honarable track record on that area. To not see that is just playing politics.”
Actually the party line from the Romney side on this site is that he governed 100% pro-life, despite what he campaigned on. It seems like there is a lot of disagreement even on Romney’s side where he stood on the issue. That kinda’ confirms my point.
Ask Illinoisguy if Romney stayed true to his promise when he ran for governor. You will get a sharp disagreement.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am
McCain/Whoever ‘08!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I think people are forgetting that one has every right to be a bigot, a racist or sexist in this country. You don’t have to be a
rational voter to recieve the right to vote. One doesn’t even have to be friendly on political blogs for crying out loud. That’s
not even the issue! We’re talking about tax exempt self proclaimed religious leaders claiming to speak for millions of fellow
believers. Your average evangelicals has every right to oppose Romney based on his belief system; but their leaders DO NOT have
a right to strong arm a duly elected presidential candidate! I imagine the reason it’s been allowed to go on this long is becasue
it works to the Democrats’ favor, but there’s no way a minority religion would get away with it.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am
You have to be kidding me. The Huckabee supporters and conservative evangelicals will again get what they deserve if they continue this course. In their ignorance and unbridled passions in the primary, they divided the Republican Party to keep a Mormon off of the ticket and were left with McCain who has not been their advocate. And now, when the choice is McCain or Obama, they again are guided by hatred and bigotry to keep the one person off of the McCain ticket who can deliver Michigan, thus handing the election to Obama, a strong abortion advocate. When will they learn? The intolerance and bigotry of these people is anything but Christ-like, and will relegate our country to those whose attitudes and philosophies are destructive to the freedoms we cherish. Maybe that is their ultimate wish, thinking that they can accelerate society’s decline and say I told you so!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:45 am
“Pick someone else, like Palin, Cantor, Pence, etc.”
…and run the risk of alienating both groups by setting up some newcomer as the nominee in four years.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Jonathan # 94
1. I never said there was 1 Metro county in Atlanta. In truth, depending on who you ask, there are anywhere from 5 to 13 counties in the Atlanta Metro demographic base. Usually, the closest to the Atlanat city center are considered ” Metro” including Cherokee, Cobb, De Kalb, Douglas, Forsythe, Fulton, Gwinnett and Paulding.
2. There are about 3.5 million people in these 8 counties , about 50 % of the state and 50 % of the state vote
3. In the primary, Romney got about 134,000 votes in these 8 counties compared to 108,000 for Huckabee and about 100,000 for McCain. So, Romney led in these 8 metro counties by 26,000 votes and lost the state by 36,000. Interesting since we have so many evangelicals here in Atlanta with hyalf the state’s population
4. Romney led in 5 of these counties and was second in 3 more. McCain came in third in all 8 counties.
5. Huckabee received 38 % of the states conservative vote. McCain received 21 %. Hmm…. Romney received 37 %
August 12th, 2008 at 9:50 am
#145:
Well, then it sounds like at least one of those groups are going to be pissed regardless of who gets it.
#146:
Yet in the end, McCain is the nominee not Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani, or Thompson. How in the hell did that happen?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:51 am
With respect Taylor, perhaps you are forgetting something as well. While we do have a right to be a bigot or a racist or what have you, the bottom line is that most of us are not. OK, 527s or whatever this group is should not be doing bigoted things with tax execptions, but let’s not forget that most of us are not bigoted. I am more concerned about the GOP winning than the religion of our ticket.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Wow, got to say mike huckabee and or his supporters have done themselves no favors in ever getting their goal, ie electing mike huckabee prez someday, could happen if they play their cards right (which they aren’t + they keep digging a huge hole), by their actions post mccain winning the nomination…just compare team huck to team romney in this time span, ie romney has put his organization full force to helping mccain, while the goal of the huckabee organization seems to be to KO romney from getting the veep spot. Granted, the best move for huck would be getting himself picked for veep, well not really if he wants to be prez, but if its not him, than without a doubt the best political chess move for huck would be to endorse romney for veep, if they can’t figure out why, than their political skills are pretty weak. Yet, they seem to be intent on setting themselves up for winning the nomination of the evangelical party…hmmm that doesn’t exist, rather than setting themselves up for winning a future repub party nomination.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Jonathan,
Exact same reason Obama beat Hillary. Party mechanics. Winner take all primaries, etc. After all, we , the voters , are but a small cog in the great wheel of party politics. The political parties need the voters to legitimize their ” business”. Politicians emulate the civil service in pursuing life time employment in a very cushy job that demands very little and pays very well. The fringe benefits spill over to the party stalwarts, the lobbyists, etc. Last, on the great trickle down gravy train, are we the voters.
Do you really believe politicians would not prefer to have no elections, just ” appointments” ?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Sorry Ohio Joe. I was out of line. I was very very harsh much more than what was reasonable.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:05 am
” Granted, the best move for huck would be getting himself picked for veep, well not really if he wants to be prez”
The VP spot is generally a ticket to the convention as the nominee if they want it – the best thing anyone who wants to be Prez. can do is become the veep.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Ohio with all due respect I apprciate your concern!!! I have to do what I have to do> Believe me it would be the hardestn thing for me to do,but if I’m no longer welcomed then I would vote Obama eventhough I am a Born again Christian Evangelical Spirt fit filled. I am strongly PRO-LIFE!!! That is the only reason I’m a Republican if they walk away from that Issue then I will walk away from yhe Republicans. I need to make a statement and the lesser of two evels is still evil. If Romney is picked I will vote for Barak Huisain Obama as President if that means that the whole government will crash let it happen then we can rebuild.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Didn’t Romney win Evangelicals in Michigan?
August 12th, 2008 at 10:17 am
I really don’t understand some So-Cons, our goal is to win people over right?So why all the skepticism of Romney on the life issue? How is Romney any different from Reagan,HW Bush or Henry Hyde?
August 12th, 2008 at 10:20 am
I don’t believe in politicals boogyman. Republicans have some ideas, democrats have some ideas, some are goods and some are bads; republicans has had some terribles ideas. Presidents could be good, regular or bad but the country still go on.
The only thing peoples have to keep are their principles. I’m not a social conservative, I’m considered myself an economics and security conservative. I think social conservatives is the reason independents see republicans as extremist.
I’m saying that under any circunstance i would vote for a candidate that is not in line with my principles. I under any circunstances would vote for a McCain/Huckabee ticket or a McCain/loonie conservative, no matter what kind of President Barack Hussein Obama can be.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:28 am
and Jerry just proved every rombot comment about Huckabee supporters true. the evil Romney more evil than an abortion loving liberal. wow we are messed up
August 12th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Romney is the better man for the job period. Who gives a rats about 40 evangelicals?
August 12th, 2008 at 10:38 am
There’s the opposite site of my argument in the Jerry (153). If a social conservative, extreme pro-life (he say) choose a pro-choice who support late term-abortion over a candidate who once was pro-choice but change he’s mind based on scientific evidence and became pro-life .
August 12th, 2008 at 10:47 am
http://tnr.com/story_print.html?id=3483eb20-9228-4700-9557-57a47a676e0b
Stop kidding yourself: John McCain is a pro-life zealot.
by Sarah Blustain, The New Republic
August 12th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Life Sentence
Stop kidding yourself: John McCain is a pro-life zealot.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:49 am
#155 Here is the reason that many Huckabee supporters are skeptical of Romney on the life issue. Also in this clip Romney talks about supporting gays and not supporting Reagan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4
Here is a picture of both the Romneys at a planned parenthood event and an article about Ann Romney donating $150 to planned parenthood.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/romney-attended.html
Here is Romney supporting gays.
http://www.baywindows.com/edge_view_columnist.php?id=40
Now that is why 95% of Huckabee supporters did not trust Romney on the social conservative issues.
You may recall that the CFG attacked Huckabee and used his youtube video from when he was trying to get the budget passed. That clip was taken out of context and made into a commercial, in which over $500,000 was donated by Romney supporters to CFG to attack Huckabee and call him a fiscal liberal.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Anyone else tired of the talk being all about Romney v. Huckabee? If one of those two is the pick, I think we go down in flames.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Texas yeah Romney supported the equal treatment of gays and lesbians while supporting traditonal marriage, I guess there are some Christians who wish Romney had just outright bashed gays.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Jonathan and Ohio – Are you suggesting that he instead thumb his nose at the 39%?
August 12th, 2008 at 11:14 am
#90 – WHOA!!!! Most of this thread anti-evangelical is not even being made by rombots…That’s what I said earlier….those lamblasting this early in the thread were by a bunch that have never been rombots. That’s how distasteful this thing is! And Texas, if you don’t know the difference betwee a Karl Rove suurogate and a group meeting in the name of religion to fight someone because of religion, then I don’t know what to tell you.
And that’s just plain bull Jamison to act as if many of the evangelicals don’t know if Mitt has trly converted on abortion…..especially when they aren’t fighting against the pro-choice candidates, just Mitt Romney.!!! This makes me angry to read this thread and see the hatred you people have a really fine upstanding citizen who happens to just believe a little differently than you.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Illinoisguy, I am not saying that that we should thumbs our nose of 39% of MI Republicans. However, I do not see why countless people in many other states should at the same time take hike.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:24 am
David 158–”Who cares a rat about 40 evangelicals”
Social conservatives which tend to be evangelical and catholic, make up about 40% of the base. They are already displeased with McCain on his stem-cell support so they think that if he picks someone wishy-washy on social issues that the GOP is putting them under the bus. The news just want the focus on Romney but I garantee you, if McCain picks Crist, Ridge, Romney, Rudy or any other pro-choice candidate that their WILL BE a revolt at the convention. Just look at what happened at the Iowa GOP convention. Social Conservatives rallied and ousted moderate GOP’ers from the national comitteeman and woman spots and elected people of their own. They are passionate and if they feel left out in any way, they will revolt. I think Romney is the most mentioned because the media has been saying that it is either Pawlenty or Romney… they hardly ever mention Rudy or Crist so that is why the focus is on Romney. I also don’t think the negative advertising my Mitt in Iowa helped any either. I hate this religious slamming…It doesn’t deal with religion. Romney people don’t like Huck do to his fiscal issues and Huck people don’t like Romney because he would do better than Ted Kennedy and would protect a woman’s right to choose. That is the bottom line and people just like to accuse one another of bigotry and I’m sick of it. It is like accusing everyone who voted for Hillary as racist since they won’t vote for Obama. It is also true that if Huck was in Romney backer’s opinion of being fiscally conservative, then he would be acceptable… same thing with Romney. If he was strongly pro-life and didn’t make statements like he did when he was gov. then they would support Romney as well. Remember, it was the evangelical leaders who mainly endorsed Romney rather than Huck.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Mitt Romney and his wife are PRO – Abortion, Pro Gay Marrige Anti_ Christian Bigot and so are4 all of you Rombats You Christians that is why you hate Mike Huckabee well when we are dead and buried we will see who is celbrating and who is in agony God help ypou Rombats! The Blood of the Unborn is on your hands!!!
August 12th, 2008 at 11:30 am
#141 – his campaign promise was to keep the issue as it was; he fought everything that would lead it to be more liberal; thus he kept his promised, and governed 100% pro-life, and that’s just the facts.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Anne and Jerry would obviously be at the 40 man rally if they lived in the vicinity.
I was wanting to help calm down this thread with some rational logic, but after those to postings, I just can’t do it yet.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:46 am
#169- hey man you said that you would vote Obama before McCain/Romney(see your own words at #153). That makes you a supporter of the baby killing liberal. You hyprocite take the beam out of your own eye before pointing out the mote in everyone elses.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:51 am
169. Wow! What hole did you crawl out of?
August 12th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Hmm….#169 sounds like he/she just came over from Hucksarmy. Perhaps he/she should go back there as these comments fit in better over there. Perhaps you should just get to the point and say the Mormons aren’t Christians and will burn in hell. It sounds like that’s where you’re getting to.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:57 am
With respect Jerry Withrow, I can uderstand you not trusting Mr. and Mrs. Romney, but I think your charge is far too extreme. Be careful, to say somebody actually has blood on their hands is not the best business.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Mcon:
I do not want to get back to the Christian debate right now, but for the record (while it is GOD’s business) I believe that most of your people are good people and not in Hell.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Anne – if Romney is chosen, there will not be a revolt at the convention, there will be CELEBRATION. He’s not pro-choice. If you need to lie to make a a point then you don’t have one.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
In all of my time at this site I don’t remember ever discussing my “people” or saying who they are as they aren’t relevant to this or any political discussion. All the same though I agree with your assessment.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
The Romney’s are BABY KILLERS and anyone who supports them the BLOOD is on your hands!!~!
August 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Dear Romney Supporters,
There has been fighting between the Huckabee and Romney supporters for
some time. Many of us are interested in reconciliation and would like to
hear your thoughts on how this can best be brought about. I am a Huckabee
supporter with no desire to bash Romney nor his religion. I would sincerely
appreciate your feedback on how the fued between us can be ended so we
can move on towards a greater cause. Thank you in advance.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
#179. Yea but if you support Obama the blood is on the hands of the doctors…
Jerry with all due respect, your an idiot. And that’s with ALL the respect that is due.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Mcon: I am sorry if I infered something false or chose my words poorly.
Jerry: It is one thing to disagree with the Romney, but unless I am missing something I do not recall Mr. Mrs. Romney actually involved with Abortion.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Sherri,
I am a Romney supporter who has the same desire to move forward.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Mormon leaders were smart not to get involved in this petty Huckabee-Romney Rivalry. The quiet side always ends up out on top
because they don’t end up on the record saying something stupid. Besides, they probably figure that all these stunts by this small group of
evangelical leaders will backfire.
“Fear of something is at the root of hate for others, and hate within will
eventually destroy the hater.” -George Washington Carver
August 12th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
cont from #184….(For all those experiencing feelings of hate & loathing)
The root causes of hate and loathing are the fears of not being accepted and of chaos in one’s life. These fears often drive
people to do horrible things to one another, in hopes that by eliminating the object of a person’s fear it will go away.
Instead, the fear only gets worse, as every action validates the negative feelings of fear inside one’s self. In the extreme,
this fear has driven people to genocide; to a lesser extent, it has destroyed marriages, family relations and friendships.
If you find yourself hating someone, or something about a person, ask yourself what you are afraid of with regard to that person;
then, eliminate the fear within you, and you will erradicate the hate of others. Indulge the fear within you, and the hate will
persist forever. Ultimately, the hate will destroy the hater, not the object.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
David- #183
Awesome- that is encouraging. I am a Huckabee supporter and right here,
right now I seek reconciliation with you. Please accept my apologies for
the wrongs that have been done. Your the only one who responded so far to
my comment so I seek reconciliation with you. If you have any ideas on how
to end the fighting please comment.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I’m socially conservative, but these goons who trapse around these days under the SoCon banner are exceeding off-putting and politically naive. Back in the day, we were a benefit to the GOP. Increasingly, it looks like “SoCons” are more of a liability, particulary as the appeal of the Republican Party is currently contracting.
These MI SoCons should take a look at the press clippings from this primary season. SoCons didn’t have the numbers ot nominate their favorite. They don’t control the direction of the GOP any more, let alone the direction of the nation. The party and the nation would do a lot better if they’d sit this one out, rather than try to push their weight around.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
184 Taylor,
They will remain quiet because the Mormon leaders will never get involved. They have never even endorsed or said anything about Romney. People just assume they support him. The LDS church remains neutral when it comes to political party lines. They do not endorse candidates like the evangelicals do.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Taylor:
With respect, it is a two way street. Not all Hate and Fear is coming from one side as you suggest..
August 12th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
#180 — “I would sincerely appreciate your feedback on how the fued between us can be ended so we
can move on towards a greater cause.”
Here’s my suggestion: Neither Huck nor Romney gets the VP nomination. It seems that either one of them would be a poison pill at this point.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Absolutely! Romney supporters probably have genuine fear of Huckabee and his “Army” and the potential they have to smear their
religion if given positions of prominence and power. Huckabee supporters might fear Romney becasue of the potential his position
of power and prominence might do to combat their narrative of Mormons.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
First of all I think the title is misleading. Michigan SoCons didn’t attack Romney only a fraction of them – only Huck supporters did. Huck supporters aren’t even a majority of michigan SoCons or evangeleicals, or for that matter even a plurality, as a matter of fact more SoCons and evangelicals apparently voted for Romney than for Huckabee. Huckabee came in third behind McCain and Romney among pro – life voters – and he was 16 points behind Romney. Huckabee even lost evangelicals to Romney by 5%.
“http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#MIREP”
It seems like people think evangeligals and SoCons in MI all don’t like Romney and that they all like Huckabee, although they actually like Romney better than Huck.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I’m only talking about the religious angle of course.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
#190-
Greg thanks for the feedback. Neither one of them getting the VP may
calm the fighting temporarily, but what will happen come 2012 if both
of them run again? I wish there was a permanent solution so we dont
carry into next election. I am a Huckabee supporter among many who would
like to call a truce. I have no desire to bash Romney nor his religion.
August 12th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
So what is Huck’s role in all this? His supporters may or may not get their way in the short run, but if Huckabee doesn’t disavow their tactics, publicly, and very, very soon he will lose an enormous amount of clout in the party in the future, and pretty much assure that he will never come close tot he party nomination.
August 12th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
I’m starting to doubt that Jerry Withrow is what he says he is. He could be a prankster just trying to stir us up, folks…
Don’t allow him to poison your view of the entire So-Con movement. I could find people on the opposite side as rabid as he.
August 12th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I am begining to think you are correct Jamison, I fear we cannot reason with this man.
August 12th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
McCain needs to choose a VP that is prolife and for traditional marriage. If he chooses anyone that is prochoice or for gay rights, I will not be able to vote for him. I like Condi and Powell, but they are both prochoice, so I would not be able to vote if they are on the ticket. If Guiliani, Ridge, or Crist are on the ticket, I cannot vote for McCain. If Romney is on the ticket, I cannot vote for McCain. Romney has flipped and flopped way too many times on these issues, and hasn’t really shown any true convictions to either of these issues. Senator McCain needs to listen to the evangelicals and social conservatives. He needs to choose someone that is TRULY prolife and truly for traditional marriage, with a record to prove it. God bless.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I like Romney’s record on traditional marriage. He was right that the residents of Mass deserved a vote on the matter and that the courts overstepped their bounds. I also think Romney being a Mormon is actually a big plus in this area since Mormons are so
family oriented. The only time you hear from Mormon leaders in a political context is when marriage and the family is being
threatened.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Why not organize yourselves over there in MI. How about You show McCain that to be bullied by bigots is NOT the american way. Notice that Mac himself is not meeting with them, but a lowly laison.
I say, go stand outside with signs that read: PRUGE THE PARTY OF BIGOTRY!
If mcCain chooses huckleberry hound, he’s lost. If he succumbs to their demands. He loses. They have put him in a lose-lose situation. the ONLY way to win is to purge the party and nominate Mitt. SHow they your a true Maverick, Mac. Do it for everyone who has a different faith.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Sherri
As an outsider in this religious flame war (well, I’m LDS, but I am not exactly a Romney fan), I realize that not all Huckabee supporters or SoCons are religious bigots. However, I know for a fact that religion is the primary motivator for some of them, just as Romney’s religion is the primary motivator for some Rombots.
However, as some have pointed out, there aren’t any Mormon leaders gathering together to launch anti-Huckabee campaigns. Nor have any Mormons really stated that they are against Huckabee’s religion.
I find this flame war infantile and ridiculous, much like most politics these days. What I’d personally like to see is for rational Huckabee supporters to denounce the few religiously motivated bigots and for the Romney fans to stop fanning the flames.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Jerry Winthrow=Troll to be ignored. Not someone to engage in a serious discussion.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Jerry, lighen up. Mitt is not satan. He’s a Christian man, much like yourself. We LDS choose (and stressing the choice factor of the 6th ammendment) to follow a differt path to Christ than you do. You can vote for Obama. I intend to do exactly the same, if Mac succumbs to the bigots in the party. It shows me lack of leadership. If he fails on this issues, then he’ll compromise on others that are even more important.
I want the party purged of bigots. If that includes you, so be it.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
And isent it funny that Mitt carried MI by a significant margin? That tells me that Huckabee and the bigot birgade went down in flames. 3rd place (a distant 3rd, at that) even with Hucks magic math, could not make it a first place. Evanglalicals went to the polls in droves to vote for Mitt Romney. Shows not everyone is a bigot.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
You’re right Freds…I’m a staunch Mitt man as you all know, but we need to at least try to not let these things bother us so much. It is a pretty small minority, and most of them will still vote for McCain anyway. I just fear that McCain might actually think they represent a much larger constituency, and therefore, when I see this kind of thing happening in the name of religion, its makes me downright upset. It seems that the same things that prompted Hauns’ Mill, DeWitt, Far West, Nauvoo, and Carthage are still alive and well in this country, albeit hopefully more of a minority today.
In Abraham Lincoln’s words, “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.” I pray for the day that the liberty and equality our forefathers sought after will be extended to those of the LDS faith. Maybe then, a great man who has worked hard his whole life to be an intelligent and righteous man, will have the opportunity to be a great leader in this nation. God bless Mitt Romney, and thank you Mitt, for showing the rest of us how to conduct ourselves, and how to let our light shine before men. May the rest of us learn this lesson better than we have heretofore.
In the mean time, I wish we would all attempt to tone down the rhetoric. I personally would like for Huckabee to apologize, but I don’t see that happening, so I guess I’ll just begin forgiving him without him doing so.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
#201-
Thanks Fredfighter for your comments and for recognizing that not all
Huckabee Supporters are religious bigots. I wanted to address your
comment:
“What I’d personally like to see is for rational Huckabee supporters to
denounce the few religiously motivated bigots and for the Romney fans
to stop fanning the flames.”
I visit 2 popular Huckabee friendly websites. I am being honest when
I say that a majority are not against Romney because of his religion. In
fact, if someone ever does come to the website, the goal has been to
not let them talk about someone else’s religion. My concern is that
because we are Huckabee supporters we are automatically lumped in the
religious bigot category which is not true. We can begin to call a truce:
- by not letting the media biased agenda driven reporting get each side
angered and fired up because this is exactly what they are doing.
- As you have stated for Huckabee supporters to stop any Romney religion
talk if or when they run into it. I know it may be hard to believe
but most of us are not religious bigots.
- As you have stated for Romney fans to stop fanning the fans.
I hope many will be interested in calling a truce. Thanks again for your
response.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
#205
Illinoisguy-
You had commented that you would like Huckabee to apologize. I know he
has already apologized to Romney during the primaries. My sincere
question is what would you want him to apologize about?
August 12th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Sherri, I’ll try to be nice:
1) What he said was a slam to the whole LDS church. I would think he would be apologize to the leaders of the LDS church and ask that they convey it to the rest of us.
2) I didn’t see or hear a sincere apology from Huckabee. Everything I saw was tongue in cheeck and with a glitter in the eye that revealed something like, “If you believe this Mitt, I have some property to sell you down in the ozarks.” As I said, I saw nothing sincere at all.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Illinoisguy-
You did well at “trying to be nice”. My question was sincere and I now have
a better understanding. I had viewed Huckabee as sincere in his apology, but
did not realize the LDS church viewed it differently.
Thanks for allowing my comments on your site. As a Huckabee supporter I
dont even know if I am welcome here. Many of us Huckabee supporters are
interested in a truce. I hope both sides will take steps to make that
happen. Best regards
August 12th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
WOW!!!! THANK YOU McCain CAMPAIGN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH VERY CONCERNED VOTERS. FINALLY SOMEONE WILL LISTEN TO THE PEPOPLE EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS DIRECTLY INSTEAD OF TWISTED VIEW PRESENTED BY THE MEDIA. AS A HUCKABEE SUPPORTER I DON’T HATE ROMNEY OR ANY OTHER POSSIBLE VP, I JUST STRONGLY BELIEVE IN HUCKABEE’S CHARACTER AND EXPERIENCE AND REALLY WANT MCCAIN TO WIN THIS ELECTION BUT WITHOUT HUCKABEE, I DON’T BELIEVE HE CAN WIN.
August 12th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I’ve never seen a post by you before AD, so I don’t know if you’re a mole, or what, but Huckabee will not be VP… if I were a betting man, I would give 100 to 1 odds on that one.
We see Huckabee very, very differently, and that’s an understatement.
Thanks for being nice Sherri, so many of the Huck supporters spew hatred and lies toward and about Mitt Romney. You’re a breath of fresh air.
August 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Sherri, I can’t speak for the church about the apology. But if you were to ask the LDs, or even the non-LDS on here, I don’t think many of them believe there was a sincere apology.
Its kinda hard to explain, but it seems nearly all of the people who are not Huckabee fans see him as a phoney, more of a snake oil salesman as some have put it. I hope he’s not really like that but he comes across that way to many.
August 12th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Illinoisguy, I can assure you I am not a “mole” but a very sincere Huckabee supporter who is not interested in hatred or lies but only interested in being heard. I am very well informed, and I feel I have the right to express my opinion about Huckabee even if he doesn’t have a chance of being the VP. I honestly believe that McCain has a better chance of winning if he selects Mike Huckabee as VP. My opinion has zero, nada, nothing to do with religion but everything to do with simply wanting to believe that someone in politics cares more about regular people than about their political career and that you can trust what they say. I strongly believe Huckabee is an honest and decent man and that is why I would want in a leader. I also believe McCain is best for this country so in my humble opinion Huckabee would really help McCain. I don’t have a problem with you having a different opinion about Huckabee. I only ask that you respect my opion as equally important as your opinion. Unfortunately there are people out there with a lot of hatred. I am just very happy to be able to support someone like Mike Huckabee. I wouldn’t get involved in politics if it weren’t for him. I’ll repeat myself, I don’t hate Romney, I simply feel that Huckabee speaks for me better than Romeny did.
Thanks for listening!
August 12th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
The news article you all are citing was a media production that is having it’s intended goal. The reporter wrote the piece in such a way to make you think that the Summit in Michigan is about bashing Romney. It is not at all. The purpose of the summit is to support the platform of Social Conservatives, Huckabee’s in particular and for McCain to share his social values. The shared statement on Romney came from the reporter baiting Debra Mantey on the attitude of Social Conservatives toward Mitt as a whole.
The summit is for allowing Marlys Popma, Senator McCains Social Conservative Liaison, to share with the Michigan Huckabee Coalition on how McCain has values that they can rally behind. The Huckabee supporters will share share the values that are unwaivering such as the two Constitutional Amendments, ‘Sanctity of Life’ and ‘Sanctity of Marriage’. The other issue we are hoping to influence on, but realize it is still a young ambition is the Fair Tax Plan.
As to our desire for Huckabee to be VP, that is true. Our stand on this is simular to any candidate’s supporters, to include those for Romney. We are not wishing to slam our brothers of the same sid eof the isle, unless you stand for Nationalism. We have nver made Romney’s Faith, Family or person a campaign issue. There is a few who are anti-Mormon, just as there are those on here who are anti-Christian. The Mormon issue is one manifested by the Romney camp, which makes for a question of how little of a platform there may be. The Mormons in my neighborhood are devote Christians and are worthy of that Name.
Here is my coment on the Articles Detroit News site this morning. Please note that our intentions of this summit are in the best interest of the Nation:
The referring to the ‘Fair Tax Plan’, be it at the National level or the State level as in Michigan, as a flat rate tax makes it sound as if there is not provision for a progressive protection of the poor. Not true. Both the Federal and the Michigan Fair Tax Plans have pre-bate provisions that return to every Citizen the amount of consumption tax that would be collected up to the poverty wage level. In another way to look at it, the consumption taxes begin at the poverty wage and if one does not make that much income, it will equally distribute wealth to those people.
The intention of this consumption tax is to replace the tax on the productivity. All the taxes we have coming out of our paycheck and placed on business adds to the cost of the product we produce in the USA and Michigan. This is essentially an excise tax we handicap our manufacturing with as we compete in a free open international market. That my friends is not very smart.
In Michigan, we have been burdened by the income tax since George Romney put it in place in 1963. We read in the news about how our State Government is giving sweetheart deals to corporations by waivering the business taxes they pay. Well, if we call our legislators and let the people vote on putting in the Michigan Fair Tax this fall, we can make it so all business is blessed with no Business tax and our State’s economic collapse will end and we will prosper greatly, providing jobs that will increase our consumption which will in turn lower our level of consumption tax %.
A family of four making $50,000.00 will have an average consumption tax level of 4.75%, actually lowering their current sales tax rate from 6%. How? A consumption tax is fair in it’s reach of taxpayers. Those who are operating under the table will be taxed at purchase and those who are rich and have their wealth protected from taxation will pay at consumption.
If ever there is a liberating Government change, it is by changing our taxation from a direct tax as we have today to a indirect consumption tax. Our Founding Fathers fought a Revolutionary War to do this. Now that we have been led into the same corner of being controlled and abused by a direct tax which began in 1913 Nationally and has advanced to where even our Churches are silenced to keep from the weight of taxation, which in turn has empowered the darkness around us to grow and bring this Nation to the point of self destruction.
Fair Tax is not a flat tax, it is a revolution!
One more fact. This Fair Tax is named such because its open, transparent and honestly reflects the cost of government for every taxpayer to see and feel…rather than the hidden taxes we now pay on so many goods and services.
Know that once the Fair Tax is in place, it will stabilize our Nation and State’s economy making for a free and liberating time for we and our Grand Children.
Again, please call your State Legislator and your Federal congressman and tell them to support the Fair Tax by CO-sponsoring the Bill.
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As to Ridge being mentioned by Huckabee when pressured for a name Mike did put forth Pawlenty, but not Ridge. As for Palenty, Jason Lewis, a radio announcer from Minnesota filling in for Rush, stated that Pawlenty is as liberal as the Govenror of California. Not good.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
damage control
August 12th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Illinoisguy:
With the exception of Mr. Withrow, who I suspect could be a troll, I do not think that the Huckabee camp was particularly nasty. On the other hand, your friend Mr. Falz was downright nasty and he distorted Mr. Huckabee record. I think it is a low blow to suggest that Sheri is the only Huckabee person that is not nasty.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I wasn’t suggesting that at all OHIO JOE. Many of you always conduct yourself well. Dufus was living up to his handle also.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Thanks for clarifying that.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Whew… What a read!
Just so everyone knows, I am a Romney supporter, but since he isn’t running for office right now, I’m a McCain supporter. Whoever he chooses for his Veep, I’ll vote for McCain for President. It seems to me that Huckabee has some very, very good values and political skills, but also needs some seasoning. He just came across as a generally non-serious guy during the primaries (that first TV ad with Chuck comes to mind). I’m sure that at least part of that was him trying to “break out” of the also-ran status, which he successfully did.
Some of Huckabees supporters have been very vocally anti-Romney. Others have been more pro-McCain. The latter seems the better course for both our nation and our party’s nominee.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
#214 – Did you even read the posting at the top? It has ‘don’t pick Mitt Romney’s stuff all the way through it. Are you suggesting that the Romney camp (as you put it) input into this article? Me thinks you have one idea about what this meeting is about, and that others have other ideas, namely stomp on the Romney VP prospects.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Romney SHOULD make fis-cons run in terror. He vastly outspent Huck and McCain in the primaries and to what end? He was just throwning money out there like candy at a parade. Romney also is the one that’s a bully, not the Evangelicals. Do any of you not remember all the negative ads that he ran, including ads against John McCain? He has flip-flop-flipped on abortion so he can not be trusted on the issue. I am a Huckabee supporter, and an evangelical, but my disdain for Romney has nothing at all to do with his being a Mormon, so stop trying to put words in our mouths. I think most Mormons are the kindest, most genuine people in the world. My mother-in-law is a Mormon, and one of my favorite people in the world, and guess what… She voted for Mike Huckabee in the primary. I would have no problem at all supporting a Mormon if he or she was genuine, and that goes for anyone of any religion. And anyone who says Romney has the right experience and Huck doesn’t apparantly hasn’t done there home work. Huck was governor over twice as long as Romney, and was FAR more successful. Anyone who can take a state from 48th in education to 8th in the nation is someone who should seriously be looked into. Please just do me a favor and stop trying to paint Evangelicals as bigots. It is a bold face lie and is getting old-this means you too, Glen Beck. As far as Guliani and Ridge go, I don’t support either one of them for VP either, but at least with them, you would know what you were going to get. I am not expecting McCain to choose Huck as his running mate, but I strongly feel that he would be the best choice. I wish Jindal hadn’t taken his name out of the hat, but he has a great thing going right now in Louisiana that needs to continue. (I support an Indian-American and former Hindu, still think I’m a bigot?)Pawlenty would satisfy me as well.
Next time any of you want to label us as bigots, check out my blog first. anticipationalley.blogspot.com
August 12th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Just would like all of you to know, that R George Dunn was stating the truth in what the intention of the meeting in Michigan is about. The Newspaper turned it around to cause a problem. Please reread what #214 had to say.
“The news article you all are citing was a media production that is having it’s intended goal. The reporter wrote the piece in such a way to make you think that the Summit in Michigan is about bashing Romney. It is not at all. The purpose of the summit is to support the platform of Social Conservatives, Huckabee’s in particular and for McCain to share his social values. The shared statement on Romney came from the reporter baiting Debra Mantey on the attitude of Social Conservatives toward Mitt as a whole.
The summit is for allowing Marlys Popma, Senator McCains Social Conservative Liaison, to share with the Michigan Huckabee Coalition on how McCain has values that they can rally behind. The Huckabee supporters will share share the values that are unwaivering such as the two Constitutional Amendments, ‘Sanctity of Life’ and ‘Sanctity of Marriage’. The other issue we are hoping to influence on, but realize it is still a young ambition is the Fair Tax Plan.”
August 12th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Well ok then screw the Republicans !!!
When your Old canadate loses 40 states in a Democrat landslide don’t cry to me.
Good I hope Mitt is chosen and when you all lose the joke is on you.
You can call me JOKER !!! From now on HE! HE! HE!
Life is good in Gotham City must you all look so serios!!
HA! HA! HA1
YES YES yes OH YA I Grand ole Time!!!!
THE JOKER STRIKES AGAIN !! AH HA HA HA Ha HA!!!!
August 12th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
[...] came out an article from The Detroit News that led to a lot of commotion by commentors both at Race42008.com and Huck’s Army. Click on the links to see each of those posts. (Better check Huck’s [...]
August 13th, 2008 at 5:03 am
I just visited the Huck’s army site, and could not believe the hatred I saw there. Nearly every poster was threatening to vote for Obama if Mitt was on the ticket. So much for feeling strongly about the life issue!
Even if they are sincerely not certain of Mitt’s pro-life credentials, why would they vote for Obama who they know is against every thing they are for, versus vote for McCain, who is pro-life? It makes no sense whatsoever. That’s why it seems to many of us that the true motivation of those people really is a fear of Mitt’s religion. Otherwise, it just doesn’t add up.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:35 am
[...] has led some to complain that this a case of religious bigotry: Those Huck supporters are so transparent. If their real [...]
August 13th, 2008 at 7:39 am
#225-
Illinoisguy-
I appreciated your comments yesterday. I was hoping that there could begin
to be a truce between Romney supporters and Huckabee supporters. As a member
of Hucks Army your comments are only fanning the flames of the fued between
us. You mentioned the “hate you saw there”. Why did you not mention their
topic on beginning to get along with Romney Supporters or the other
threads that talked about called a truce and not bashing Romney.
Your comment also stated “nearly every poster was threatening to vote for
Obama”. It is true that a limited few for whatever reason stated they
will vote for Obama (for whatever reason), but this was only a handful.
Please help stop the fighting between us. Also, be prepared for the
negative spin that will come from the media today regarding this meeting.
They continue to fan the flames of fued between us and I will not participate
any longer. Thanks for your consideration in what was shared.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:26 am
This is just a bunch of BS from the Huck people… just about everyone I know here in Michigan wants Romney on the VP slot, and is reluctant to vote for McCain if Romney isn’t picked. I have yet to come across one of these Huck wackos, but this doesn’t surprise me at all.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Joe:
It appears you want your cake and eat it too. You accuse the Huckabee camp of not wanting Mr. Romney on the ticket and yet you claim that the Romney camp in MI will have trouble voting for a non-Romney ticket. It sounds like bigotry is a two way street. If not, what is your real story?
August 13th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Huckabee’s sermons purportedly contained anti-Mormon rhetoric. I know that he has refused to release any or his sermons from the pulpit, but down here in Arkansas it is pretty common knowledge that he spewed a lot of venom towards mormonism from the pulpit. If you think Huckabee is not behind this movement, you are delusional. He has a lot of hatred bottled up inside of him.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Since you are from Arkansas and I am not, if Mr. Huckabee is as hateful as you say, why do you think that is?
August 13th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
#230 Glen Beck was talking about Huckabee’s sermons this morning on his radio show. Is that where you got your information from??
August 13th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
George:
Texas has a point; I wonder if you really are from Arkansas. I really find it hard to believe that a Pastor would use anti-Mormon rhetoric in his sermons. Are you trying to tell me that Mormons are hated that much in Arkansas. I realize that Mormons may not be the most popular in Ohio, but there are other groups that are truly unpopular in Ohio. Yet, I have never heard a priest or Minister say something hateful about another group. Frankly, I find it difficult to believe that even if Mr. Huckabee did hate Mormons that he would publicly preach against them. While I respect Mr. Beck, I would truly like to know where he got this information. I missed his show today.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I believe that the negative feelings by Romney supporters towards Huckabee and some of his supporters is largely reactive; i.e., when religion is used to divide or to demean someone in an effort to appeal to voters, it becomes very personal and disturbing. As a Mormon, I have no problem voting for an Evangelical if I believe that person would do the best job. I don’t care that he is Evangelical. George Bush’s religion did not matter to Mormons. If Huckabee and some of his supporters had not injected religion into this whole thing, I doubt that you would have seen the negative reactive commentary about Evangelicals that we have since seen. Huckabee’s continuing digs at Romney and the actions of some of Huckabee’s supporters suggest that religion was and still is the issue for both Huckabee and those supporters, notwithstanding excuses to the contrary. This ratchets everything up a level. Is it any wonder that Romney supporters don’t like this? I note that Romney does not make digs at Huckabee and that Romney’s supporters are not organizing meetings with McCain against Huckabee and are not giving interviews and issuing press releases against Huckabee. And where is Huckabee’s leadership in this? This could largely go away if Huckabee would step up and be a leader in this and communicate a more positive message, instead of encouraging (both explicitly and implicitly) on-going digs and anti-Romney messages and actions, subtle and not-so-subtle, many of which at least give the perception that underlying everything is religion. Somehow, I don’t think that will happen. It tells me a lot about the man.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
OHIO JOE,
You are very naive regarding how Mormons are perceived in Arkansas. I have no doubt that Huckabee preached against Mormons in his sermons. It’s very common for many so-called Christian Churches to preach against Mormons in sermons and classes. These leaders are afraid of losing their flocks.
Huckabee was also a keynote speaker at the SBC 1998 in Salt Lake City where he handed out anti-Mormon literature to the convention attendees.