Biden equals negative bounce. DNC could be negative bounce too. First time in memory for both. What does it say that Obama screwed up his first executive decision?
I don’t know why this is the first time I’ve noticed this (maybe because I am paying closer attention with our guy in the lead) but this Gallup daily tracking poll is registered voters rather than likely voters. In most instances, likely voters tend to have better numbers for the GOP. One wonders what a likely voters daily tracking poll would reveal.
If we are tied or have any lead at all going into the debates, this thing is all over. Landslide.
I knew the Dims sensed trouble when last night they began talking about how local elections across the U-to-the-S-to-the-A could help up-ticket candidates and even THE ONE himself. Usually it is the other way around: you expect your up-ticket personae to help the down-ticket candidates.
They see a light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s a freight train of truth headed their way.
Agreed. But I have to take some momentary joy at this poll. If you had asked me 6 months ago, I would’ve said that no GOP candidate would attain the lead in an RV poll in this cycle, except maybe briefly post-RNC. Certainly not in a 3 day period that encompassed the afterglow of the veep pick and day one of the DNC.
Obama is going to be 12% ahead after his speech, you guys know that, look at the Berlin speech.
Thanks for the blast from the recent past. It confirms my worst fear–that is, fear of success, because the post-Berlin bounce was the shortest lived bounce ever. Joe-Bama regressed to the mean so fast that the Earth nearly moved backwards. Now his whole campaign wants to forget their magical mystery tour which gets repeated over and over again only in McCain ads.
The argument for a woman VP is very simple. Given the party ID breakdown, if Obama holds his party he wins. It’s pretty simple. Both Kerry and Gore got around 90% of democrats. If Obama does that he wins. It doesn’t matter who McCain’s VP is, how many ads McCain runs, what happens in Russia, etc… If Obama can do as well among dems as John Kerry or Al Gore he wins.
Given all that’s going on, that really shouldn’t be that difficult.
But this year there is something different, a new factor that totally changes everything.
Obama and his camp already had a large segment of the party against them from the primaries and they have done nothing to fix it. If anything, they’ve made it worsem up to and including stiffing Hilary for VP and announcing it at 3AM to deliberately spite her. To the latest putting Bill Clinton on a 5 secind delay like he’s some gangster rapper or Britney Spears.
So, McCain’s #1 goal has to be to keep those anti-Obama dems away from him. To quote Metallica, Nothing Else Matters. If they come home, the election is over.
When you ask yourself what McCain can do to a)really grab the attention of them b)allow them to vote against Obama but also feel good doing it c)allow them to exercise their feminist demons and hoist Obama on his own petard d)pave the way for their gal in 2012 etc…
If Invesco Field comes across more as a stunt (which it is) than an address, it will turn off even more independents and you will see a relatively small bounce out of this that will evaporate in a few days. Seriously.
I can’t wait until the camera pans Biden’s face while Sen. Clinton delivers her remarks. The man can no more hide his emotions then he can tell the truth. Does anyone remember the snarling Biden rictus from the Clarance Thomas hearings? I can’t wait to see it appear again on Biden’s face as Clinton scans the crowd between applause lines with her I TOLD YOU SO smirk.
I’m pumped, because the projected 8-10 point Obama bounce I was predicted may only be 2-3 points… McCain is in control right now. I say toy with the media all day Thursday and say you’re going to announce it then say o wait I’ll just wait til Friday!
Wow. Again, I don’t have my daily analysis handy, but this result shows movement from the day that rolled off (Friday) to the one that was added (Monday) from 2-8% (due to rounding), with my gut saying it’s on the heavier side. I believe I had this as actually a slight lead for Sen Obama (appearing tied because of rounding). I think tomorrow and Saturday’s results will be the most telling, as tomorrow’s will have the full reaction to the first day of the convention (which should bounce Sen Obama up, but with a negative bounce on the VP, all bets are off) and Saturday’s will have the aftermath of Sen Obama’s acceptance speech. If he doesn’t retake the lead, and at least by 5%, this will be one of the most disappointing VP/Convention weeks, perhaps ever, for either candidate.
That said, this isn’t a time to be complacent. Reps are in serious danger of losing a large number of House and Senate seats. If Sen Obama is doing this poorly, each and every race should be tied to him. Can we turn the tide in Congress? YES WE CAN!
#11 GMM, Rasmussen is likely voters, and you are correct they tend to be better for Rep (and generally more accurate). Not really sure why this year is bucking the trend.
I’m pretty much with you right there; this election hinges on whether or not Obama can hold the Democratic base. I suspect this is why some folks have suggested Joe Lieberman as a possible running mate, under the misguided belief that he can poach Democrats. But, Joe Lieberman is despised by Democrats, and was never the sort of Democrat that attracted Reagan Democrats anyway. He lost lower income Dems big-time to Lamont in 06′. He’s a slightly blue-blood, neo-con, liberal. He’ll do precisely nothing to help McCain keep Democrats away from Obama. Who can? Probably a woman; a Palin or a Hutchison or a Whitman. But, at least one of the three loses us conservatives (Whitman), one of the three is dicey on experience (Palin), and one of the three is dicey on conservatism (Hutchison). It’s probably not wise to bank it all on a Whitman selection, given the state of current polls, and Mac might feel uncomfortable with a relatively inexperienced Palin, given his “Ready to Lead” theme. So Hutch might be the best bet, with the least risk. If he wants to be really safe, he goes with a blue-collar, populist Republican (Pawlenty, Kasich) man, in the hopes that voters who went for the Clintons would be attracted to that as well.
He’s still a better speaker than Representative Jim “Let’s talk about the 4 great discussions of American History at a national campaign convention and at great length” Leach. Yikes was that guy boring. Why was Leach the Lengthy allowed to follow the Zombified Kennedy, who even as an un-dead walking corpse was able to rouse the faithful into paroxysms of hope amidst the despair? Michelle’s weirdly pedantic performance should have come right on the heels of Kennedy being removed from the hall on a dolly and hoisted into his cryogenic chamber.
Be careful with Rasmussen. It is tough to gage “likely” voters in a telepoll.
Rasmussen has a history of being one of the better pollsters, but they have been very favorable to Obama this year. Obama has some excellent Rasmussen polls before super-Tuesday, but Obama’s vote just did not turn out in big states.
Who can? Probably a woman; a Palin or a Hutchison or a Whitman. But, at least one of the three loses us conservatives (Whitman), one of the three is dicey on experience (Palin), and one of the three is dicey on conservatism (Hutchison).
If McCain’s going to try to pick off Hillary-supporting Democratic voters by choosing a woman, he’s going to have to do so with someone who’s “dicey on conservatism.” Clinton’s fans do not support her because she is a woman, but because she’s a woman who agrees with them on the issues they care about. Why is that so hard to understand?
In other news, it looks like Bill Clinton has issued controversial remarks about Sen. Obama IN DENVER AND DURING THE CONVENTION:
The former president, speaking in Denver, posed a hypothetical question in which he seemed to suggest that that the Democratic Party was making a mistake in choosing Obama as its presidential nominee.
He said: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”
Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: “This has nothing to do with what’s going on now.”
This means nothing with MoE and only one poll, but just psychologically this and things like the Warren debate is gonna be like… like an angel on our shoulders. And if we ever get hurt and feel that we’re goin’ down, this little angel is gonna whisper in our ears. He’s gonna say, “Get up you sonofab*tch! Cause Reagan loves ya.”
it’s possible that McCain could make a nontraditional selection for the GOP ticket, such as abortion-rights backers Tom Ridge, the former Pennsylvania governor, or Democrat-turned-independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. Both are close friends of the candidate.
such an out-of-the-box choice could send a message to the public at large — I’m no George W. Bush, and I’m no partisan — as McCain seeks to shake the association with the unpopular GOP president and bolster his argument that he would put “country first,” ahead of politics.
On Monday, Lieberman told reporters after a speech to a business group in New London, Conn., that he didn’t expect to be offered a spot on McCain’s ticket, and that he and others close to McCain should take a “vow of silence” concerning the vice presidential nomination.
Kris,
You’re generally more astute than that. To what are you referring in Sidoti’s article that would make you say such a thing? What did stick out like a sore thumb in that piece was the glaring omission of tomorrow’s scheduled attack dog.
Normally, I’d agree with you, but Palin is in a unique situation: she’s a Governor and she’s only been one for two years. She has very little in her record that establishes her as…well, anything. She’s pro-life sure. But, where is she on health care? Do you know? Does anyone? Couldn’t she rather easily finesse the issue, to sound moderate and mainstream? What about taxes? Well, she’s ostensibly against taxes, presumably, but she supported a tax on oil company profits, so she could easily be believed as fairly moderate there. She’s against gay marriage, but she ordered her subordinates to allow civil unions…so, etc. Palin, unlike someone with a more extensive record, could be a blank slate. Hillary supporters, in their desire to see a woman VP, can project most of their desires onto her. Conservatives will do the same. She can be “dicey” and “rock-solid” all at once. And I’m very skeptical that the same media that took a year to ask Barack anything more substantive then “why are you so Dreamy?” will be able to pin Palin down as an ideologue in 2 months. They’ll be almost forced to spend the first few weeks handling her with kid gloves.
why why why add yet ANOTHER senator to the ticket? Let’s balance it out a bit folks, maybe someone with a little executive experience might be a good thing for our VP to compliment McCain’s and further contrast the experienced ticket vs. the egg-head blow-hards ticket.
so, no, I don’t like KBH… Palin would be very interesting, but would undercut the GOP’s experience advantage.
Big S, it won’t always be this way in that women will root for almost any qualified woman for a top national office. Once a woman is elected president, it will no longer be a big deal. I’ll be just as likely to vote for a man for POTUS as I would a woman. But until then, women (or at least women of my generation) are focused on busting the glass ceiling.
#31 it’s not just the base…Obama has successfully courted both the African American vote, for obvious reasons, and the youth vote which were meaningless in ‘00 and ‘04, so if he can keep his base and has those votes as well…Obama is the next President. That’s why I don’t understand why our base is so unflexible when it comes to moderate republican or a pro-choice republican or even Lieberman? It doesn’t make any sense…do we want to win this election or do we want 4 years of socialistic legislature that will set our country back 20 years?
Speaking of that glass ceiling, how big is it?
Because Michelle last night congratulated Hillary on the 18 MILLION cracks - that’s a dang strong piece of glass!
Stop!!! How about this? Jindal/Palin 2016 or Palin/Jindal 2024 (after McCain has two terms and his VP, Romney has two terms). Both Jindal and Palin will have both been successful governors and will be ready for POTUS.
McCain may well have selected his running mate and notified him/her of the decision. What evidence do you have to confirm that, though?
What did Lieberman state to make you say: “Looks like Lieberman is out?”
Here is the quote from Lieberman to which Sidoti was referring:
“I don’t expect the offer will be extended to me, but I’m going to continue my vow of silence about any hypotheticals.”
Lieberman obviously leaves the door open to the possibility, and no politician would be so presumptuous as to say “I fully expect the offer to be extended to me.”
Matthew was doing something that drives me nuts — equating conservatism and social conservatism.
Many SoCons (and Matthew is usually better than this) are of the opinion that if you are not a social conservative (and, specifically 100% perfect on abortion) then, ipso facto, you are not a conservative.
Many SoCons (and Matthew is usually better than this) are of the opinion that if you are not a social conservative (and, specifically 100% perfect on abortion) then, ipso facto, you are not a conservative.
Quite. And they seem to believe that McCain will pick his Veep based on how angrily they can make their case here on this noble blog.
Clinton’s fans support her because they are dysfunctional, sychophantic codependents.
I detect no difference between the attitudes of many of Hillary’s supporters and those of various other politicians (including Mitt Romney’s, notably on this blog). The only real difference is that Hillary has far more supporters than many of these others.
btw, for those worried that being VP would impact how Palin would care for her newborn…Presumably being VP gives one better access to the best doctors and medical care and facilities abd speacialists and resources than does being the Governor of Alaska
Besides, to the extent that kids and cuteness and the family factor matters in terms of elections(and I think it does)I’ll put the Palins up against the Obamas any day of the week and feel very confident we’ll win that contest.
If McCain is smart enough to put a woman on the ticket, it’s game over. I know a ton of Hillary supporters who are moderate to liberal but would vote for McCain with a female VP. Think about how many people voted for Hillary in the primary with the hardcore libs going to Barrack. There’s not that many Dems out there for that sort of turn-out unless moderate women were coming out for Hillary. The math is really rather simple, if we crack 50% with women, McCain wins in a landslide.
If McCain were to appoint a woman, Dems would have to attack her. She’d fight back, and Hillary supporters/single moms/ etc. would melt for her. In no particular order, my VP choice as of today stands at:
1) Powell (I know I said we need a woman, but he gives us a landslide, a clean slate in 2012 and a true Americna hero);
2) KBH (there is a strange misconception she is liberal or moderate, she’s not);
3) Blackburn (did some research and she has some significant legislative accomplishment, she brings the conservative base and helps with the female vote);
4) James Jones (he brings both military and economic cred);
5) Palin (too inexperienced, but she’s great).
O.K.
Hutchinson + McCain = 2 senators with no management experience running against Obama + Biden = 2 Senators with no management experience. Assets: ( Gender + War Hero) runs against (Community Organizer + Joe Beercan’s Lawyer )
JOB ? CEO of world’s largest corporation and worlds biggest employer.
O.K.
Hutchinson + McCain = 2 senators with no management experience running against Obama + Biden = 2 Senators with no management experience. Assets: ( Gender + War Hero) runs against (Community Organizer + Joe Beercan’s Lawyer )
JOB ? CEO of world’s largest corporation and worlds biggest employer.
Also, I’m so glad to see Hutchison being toted. I was one of the first to come out in support of her. Words of caution: she seems to be gearing up for a run for Gov of Texas in 2010 so she may be committed to that goal. However, once she has some executive experience, it’s hard to imagine how she could be anything but the favorite in 2012 (or more likely 2016).
Regardless whether Hutchison is “conservative” or not, Ambinder says this today: “John McCain would sooner join the gay rodeo than pick Kay Bailey Hutchison as his VP.” Obviously there is an untold story there but it isn’t going to be KB.
If you want a woman whose experience cannot be questioned, who can appeal to the older female voter, while not having any ideological issues at the convention–well there’s only one choice and it means sacrificing another Senate seat. Elizabeth Dole. She is one of the most respected women in America, comes across as a mainstream conservative, and has the tough old grandma schtick down pat. Sure she’s 70; so what? So is Colin Powell only Elizabeth acts 10 years younger. She was single-handedly responsible for her husband’s bounce in ‘96 with her walk around the hall speech; it sure wasn’t “where’s the outrage?” and the forgettable Jack Kemp.
It’s fundamentally sad that a party that has won 7 of the last 10 presidential elections has to psych itself up to think that it could win another. Yes We Can!
Texas McCainiac, the way she wouldn’t be the favorite in 2016 would be if Rep Kasich becomes Gov Kasich and turns around the dysfunctional Rep party in Ohio. Much larger accomplishment, imo, than winning Gov in Texas.
not that that changes your assertions (73) in the least…
There is a lot WRONG with this picture….
Obama couldn’t even pass a security clearance to get hired by the FBI, and he wants to run the free world? Yeah, sure. Joe “I’ve got a higher IQ than you” Biden? Please…
#58 - Brian - Fortunately or unfortunately (depends on how you look at it) the Republican Party tends to go with the “next guy in line.”
To all of you guys who think that a woman is a “must have” for McCain to win, I don’t buy it. I think you’re putting way too much emphasis on having a woman as VP. To have a woman as VP just to have a woman is not a very smart decision in my opinion. Why not focus on someone who is qualified and ready for the job (man or woman) of POTUS if anything happens to the President and who is in line with conservative values.
I am getting so sick and tired of all this talk about Lieberman and Powell and people who aren’t true conservatives being the VP. Why in the heck do we want to go out of our way to attract liberals?!
“Now, I’m going to just tell you, folks, if the Republican Party grows and spans by attracting liberals as liberals - and if we grow and expand because we have a candidate who’s going out trying to attract liberals by being like them — then the party’s going to be around, but you won’t recognize it. It’s going to be over as it exists now.”
Rush Limbaugh 2/4/8
Lynne Cheney… why not? A McCain/Cheney ticket would send the libs up the walls. She’s a very accomplished individual. She was floated as GWB VP pick back in 2000 as well.
Beth good point, vis a vis, who is next in line. That’s the only reason Bob Dole was nominated in ‘96, in my view. A great man, but a terrible Presidential candidate IMHO.
#84, yes, like it or not, that seems to be how it works. I’ve also noticed that, although the Republicans will give their nominees a second chance, the Democrats don’t seem to give a nominee another chance if they’re on a failed ticket. I’m rather new to this game, so I could be wrong.
Wouldn’t it be something if we found out that Obama had asked Hillary to be his VP and she said no. I think she’s smart enough to see that Obama is probably going to lose and she didn’t want to be part of a losing ticket so she could try for 2012.
Just some thoughts.
I hope John McCain surprises us and really turns out to govern as a conservative.
The History Channel had a special on Teddy Roosevelt (McCain’s stated hero) this morning, and I’m reading the biography of Teddy Roosevelt by David McCullough. He was quite a guy! He also promised he wouldn’t run for a second term, which he later came to regret. Perhaps one reason why John McCain is not making that promise. You never know what will happen.
Beth, VP Mondale is the most recent example for Dems (maybe the only one?). He ran with Pres Carter in ‘80, only to lose by one of the greatest landslides in history (489-49). He then proceeded to lose at the top of the ticket in ‘84 by an even more impressive 525-13 (only holding his home state and DC, which has NEVER voted for a Rep since gaining electoral votes). Somewhat ironically, this same VP Mondale was asked to run for the Senate in MN in ‘02 when the seated Sen tragically died in a plane crash. He lost that race as well.
Do the polls take into consideration what cell phone users might lean? Since so many people have that as their main source of communication, especially the younger voters.
Very very nice! We’ll need more conformation than this, but there are quite a few polls coming out showing tied so far (Ras I believe as well) and I trust Rasmussen and Gallup as the gold standards in the GE. Suh weet!
I’m not the biggest Romney fan but he did have a good line on FOX just now about his houses. He said “I have one less than John Kerry”. End of discussion.
He’s the best of the traditional choices, IMO. Better than Pawlenty by far.
Yes, polling firms do extensive research on mobile phones users, their demographics and political ideology and weigh it in their polls. In 10-15 years though, this will become increasingly difficult as less and less people will have landlines.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
So much for Mr. Biden being such a strong candidate.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Maybe the Obama is getting woried because the undecides are typically Republican voters?
I would like to see some demographics on the undecided voters?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
I give credit to PUMAS, the silent dem majority.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Believe me, by the time of late October, after the debates, Obama’s going to be in some deep you know what.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Biden equals negative bounce. DNC could be negative bounce too. First time in memory for both. What does it say that Obama screwed up his first executive decision?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Oooooooh shit.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Woooooooooooooo.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Finally!
August 26th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
If we are tied or have any lead at all going into the debates, this thing is all over. Landslide.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
This must be what Michelle O. meant when she spoke of “where the current of history meets this new tide of hope”
Yes we can! Yes we can!
August 26th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I don’t know why this is the first time I’ve noticed this (maybe because I am paying closer attention with our guy in the lead) but this Gallup daily tracking poll is registered voters rather than likely voters. In most instances, likely voters tend to have better numbers for the GOP. One wonders what a likely voters daily tracking poll would reveal.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Obama is going to be 12% ahead after his speech, you guys know that, look at the Berlin speech. Gallp had Obama ahead by 8%.
Do not be upset when Obama pulls ahead, we know it is coming.
Be careful guys.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
I knew the Dims sensed trouble when last night they began talking about how local elections across the U-to-the-S-to-the-A could help up-ticket candidates and even THE ONE himself. Usually it is the other way around: you expect your up-ticket personae to help the down-ticket candidates.
They see a light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s a freight train of truth headed their way.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I had no idea that Biden selection would have this kind of impact.
Hillary supporters are freakin’ pissed. Holy cow!
August 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
12 Kris
Agreed. But I have to take some momentary joy at this poll. If you had asked me 6 months ago, I would’ve said that no GOP candidate would attain the lead in an RV poll in this cycle, except maybe briefly post-RNC. Certainly not in a 3 day period that encompassed the afterglow of the veep pick and day one of the DNC.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Now that McCain is ahead maybe he decides to have some fun and toy with Obama.
He should announce that he’s considering Jeb Bush for VP. Maybe extending Cheney for a 3rd term.
As in he’s so confident he can put a Bush on the ticket and still win.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Hallelujah!
McCain/Palin for a landslide!
August 26th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Thanks for the blast from the recent past. It confirms my worst fear–that is, fear of success, because the post-Berlin bounce was the shortest lived bounce ever. Joe-Bama regressed to the mean so fast that the Earth nearly moved backwards. Now his whole campaign wants to forget their magical mystery tour which gets repeated over and over again only in McCain ads.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
With respect Kavon, it is not only Hillary voters that are pissed, swing voters are unimpressed.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Oh snap! Amazing! Might not last through the week, but nice to know Biden was a flop.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Kavon, Obama pick an older white male, who has been a senator for decades. This is not what Obama says he stands for.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
JOHN MCCAIN!
August 26th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
The argument for a woman VP is very simple. Given the party ID breakdown, if Obama holds his party he wins. It’s pretty simple. Both Kerry and Gore got around 90% of democrats. If Obama does that he wins. It doesn’t matter who McCain’s VP is, how many ads McCain runs, what happens in Russia, etc… If Obama can do as well among dems as John Kerry or Al Gore he wins.
Given all that’s going on, that really shouldn’t be that difficult.
But this year there is something different, a new factor that totally changes everything.
Obama and his camp already had a large segment of the party against them from the primaries and they have done nothing to fix it. If anything, they’ve made it worsem up to and including stiffing Hilary for VP and announcing it at 3AM to deliberately spite her. To the latest putting Bill Clinton on a 5 secind delay like he’s some gangster rapper or Britney Spears.
So, McCain’s #1 goal has to be to keep those anti-Obama dems away from him. To quote Metallica, Nothing Else Matters. If they come home, the election is over.
When you ask yourself what McCain can do to a)really grab the attention of them b)allow them to vote against Obama but also feel good doing it c)allow them to exercise their feminist demons and hoist Obama on his own petard d)pave the way for their gal in 2012 etc…
the answer is clear
August 26th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
If Invesco Field comes across more as a stunt (which it is) than an address, it will turn off even more independents and you will see a relatively small bounce out of this that will evaporate in a few days. Seriously.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
We do have to watch out for Hillary tonight, though. She has the potential to give Obama more of a bounce than what he could get himself.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
I’ll be watching to see if her praise of Barack comes across as strained or genuine. She sure seemed genuine in tearing him apart in the primaries.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I can’t wait until the camera pans Biden’s face while Sen. Clinton delivers her remarks. The man can no more hide his emotions then he can tell the truth. Does anyone remember the snarling Biden rictus from the Clarance Thomas hearings? I can’t wait to see it appear again on Biden’s face as Clinton scans the crowd between applause lines with her I TOLD YOU SO smirk.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Jim, the five-second delay thing was a joke.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I’m pumped, because the projected 8-10 point Obama bounce I was predicted may only be 2-3 points… McCain is in control right now. I say toy with the media all day Thursday and say you’re going to announce it then say o wait I’ll just wait til Friday!
August 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Wow. Again, I don’t have my daily analysis handy, but this result shows movement from the day that rolled off (Friday) to the one that was added (Monday) from 2-8% (due to rounding), with my gut saying it’s on the heavier side. I believe I had this as actually a slight lead for Sen Obama (appearing tied because of rounding). I think tomorrow and Saturday’s results will be the most telling, as tomorrow’s will have the full reaction to the first day of the convention (which should bounce Sen Obama up, but with a negative bounce on the VP, all bets are off) and Saturday’s will have the aftermath of Sen Obama’s acceptance speech. If he doesn’t retake the lead, and at least by 5%, this will be one of the most disappointing VP/Convention weeks, perhaps ever, for either candidate.
That said, this isn’t a time to be complacent. Reps are in serious danger of losing a large number of House and Senate seats. If Sen Obama is doing this poorly, each and every race should be tied to him. Can we turn the tide in Congress? YES WE CAN!
#11 GMM, Rasmussen is likely voters, and you are correct they tend to be better for Rep (and generally more accurate). Not really sure why this year is bucking the trend.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
jim,
I’m pretty much with you right there; this election hinges on whether or not Obama can hold the Democratic base. I suspect this is why some folks have suggested Joe Lieberman as a possible running mate, under the misguided belief that he can poach Democrats. But, Joe Lieberman is despised by Democrats, and was never the sort of Democrat that attracted Reagan Democrats anyway. He lost lower income Dems big-time to Lamont in 06′. He’s a slightly blue-blood, neo-con, liberal. He’ll do precisely nothing to help McCain keep Democrats away from Obama. Who can? Probably a woman; a Palin or a Hutchison or a Whitman. But, at least one of the three loses us conservatives (Whitman), one of the three is dicey on experience (Palin), and one of the three is dicey on conservatism (Hutchison). It’s probably not wise to bank it all on a Whitman selection, given the state of current polls, and Mac might feel uncomfortable with a relatively inexperienced Palin, given his “Ready to Lead” theme. So Hutch might be the best bet, with the least risk. If he wants to be really safe, he goes with a blue-collar, populist Republican (Pawlenty, Kasich) man, in the hopes that voters who went for the Clintons would be attracted to that as well.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Looks like Lieberman is out.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jihHrCRRZzC-rvT1HKiq81CPPoiQD92Q3V6O0
August 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Gary m miller
Check out rasmussen’s likely voter poll.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Sean, I am well aware of Rasmussen. I should have said I wonder what Gallup would show if they screened for only likely voters.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Oh, and Clinton and Dole both received double digit bounces with their VP’s.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
He’s still a better speaker than Representative Jim “Let’s talk about the 4 great discussions of American History at a national campaign convention and at great length” Leach. Yikes was that guy boring. Why was Leach the Lengthy allowed to follow the Zombified Kennedy, who even as an un-dead walking corpse was able to rouse the faithful into paroxysms of hope amidst the despair? Michelle’s weirdly pedantic performance should have come right on the heels of Kennedy being removed from the hall on a dolly and hoisted into his cryogenic chamber.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Be careful with Rasmussen. It is tough to gage “likely” voters in a telepoll.
Rasmussen has a history of being one of the better pollsters, but they have been very favorable to Obama this year. Obama has some excellent Rasmussen polls before super-Tuesday, but Obama’s vote just did not turn out in big states.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
If McCain’s going to try to pick off Hillary-supporting Democratic voters by choosing a woman, he’s going to have to do so with someone who’s “dicey on conservatism.” Clinton’s fans do not support her because she is a woman, but because she’s a woman who agrees with them on the issues they care about. Why is that so hard to understand?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Hutchison has a 91% career ACU rating.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Obama’s chickens are comin’ home to roost.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
McCain Hutchison!
In other news, it looks like Bill Clinton has issued controversial remarks about Sen. Obama IN DENVER AND DURING THE CONVENTION:
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/bill-clinton-in-denver-again-undercuts-obama-2008-08-26.html
Could this day get any better?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
YES!!!!!!!!!!
This means nothing with MoE and only one poll, but just psychologically this and things like the Warren debate is gonna be like… like an angel on our shoulders. And if we ever get hurt and feel that we’re goin’ down, this little angel is gonna whisper in our ears. He’s gonna say, “Get up you sonofab*tch! Cause Reagan loves ya.”
August 26th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Looks like Lieberman is out.
Kris,
You’re generally more astute than that. To what are you referring in Sidoti’s article that would make you say such a thing? What did stick out like a sore thumb in that piece was the glaring omission of tomorrow’s scheduled attack dog.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I’m having so much fun watching this train wreck. It’s amazing to me how a party can screw things up this bad.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Big S,
Normally, I’d agree with you, but Palin is in a unique situation: she’s a Governor and she’s only been one for two years. She has very little in her record that establishes her as…well, anything. She’s pro-life sure. But, where is she on health care? Do you know? Does anyone? Couldn’t she rather easily finesse the issue, to sound moderate and mainstream? What about taxes? Well, she’s ostensibly against taxes, presumably, but she supported a tax on oil company profits, so she could easily be believed as fairly moderate there. She’s against gay marriage, but she ordered her subordinates to allow civil unions…so, etc. Palin, unlike someone with a more extensive record, could be a blank slate. Hillary supporters, in their desire to see a woman VP, can project most of their desires onto her. Conservatives will do the same. She can be “dicey” and “rock-solid” all at once. And I’m very skeptical that the same media that took a year to ask Barack anything more substantive then “why are you so Dreamy?” will be able to pin Palin down as an ideologue in 2 months. They’ll be almost forced to spend the first few weeks handling her with kid gloves.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
#38. You are so INCREDIBLY wrong.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
why why why add yet ANOTHER senator to the ticket? Let’s balance it out a bit folks, maybe someone with a little executive experience might be a good thing for our VP to compliment McCain’s and further contrast the experienced ticket vs. the egg-head blow-hards ticket.
so, no, I don’t like KBH… Palin would be very interesting, but would undercut the GOP’s experience advantage.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Aron, hhhmmm….
Because McCain has already notified his VP, and Lieberman does not speak untruths (I actually believe this although he is a politician).
I find it impossible that McCain would not allow his VP at least 4 days to prepare? Do you not agree?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Big S, it won’t always be this way in that women will root for almost any qualified woman for a top national office. Once a woman is elected president, it will no longer be a big deal. I’ll be just as likely to vote for a man for POTUS as I would a woman. But until then, women (or at least women of my generation) are focused on busting the glass ceiling.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
#31 it’s not just the base…Obama has successfully courted both the African American vote, for obvious reasons, and the youth vote which were meaningless in ‘00 and ‘04, so if he can keep his base and has those votes as well…Obama is the next President. That’s why I don’t understand why our base is so unflexible when it comes to moderate republican or a pro-choice republican or even Lieberman? It doesn’t make any sense…do we want to win this election or do we want 4 years of socialistic legislature that will set our country back 20 years?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Speaking of that glass ceiling, how big is it?
Because Michelle last night congratulated Hillary on the 18 MILLION cracks - that’s a dang strong piece of glass!
August 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
#49 - yes, the pride of all women in Condoleezza Rice’s achievements as Secretary of State is noted. [/sarcasm]
August 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Stop!!! How about this? Jindal/Palin 2016 or Palin/Jindal 2024 (after McCain has two terms and his VP, Romney has two terms). Both Jindal and Palin will have both been successful governors and will be ready for POTUS.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Kris,
McCain may well have selected his running mate and notified him/her of the decision. What evidence do you have to confirm that, though?
What did Lieberman state to make you say: “Looks like Lieberman is out?”
Here is the quote from Lieberman to which Sidoti was referring:
“I don’t expect the offer will be extended to me, but I’m going to continue my vow of silence about any hypotheticals.”
Lieberman obviously leaves the door open to the possibility, and no politician would be so presumptuous as to say “I fully expect the offer to be extended to me.”
August 26th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
> “Hutchison has a 91% career ACU rating.”
Matthew was doing something that drives me nuts — equating conservatism and social conservatism.
Many SoCons (and Matthew is usually better than this) are of the opinion that if you are not a social conservative (and, specifically 100% perfect on abortion) then, ipso facto, you are not a conservative.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
“women (or at least women of my generation) are focused on busting the glass ceiling.”
But wouldn’t the glass be all over the kitchen floor cutting their bare feet?
JK
Ummmm… Uhhh Go HillaPalutchinson!
I just said the wrong thing…
August 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Kristofer,
Obama gave Biden around a day to prepare
August 26th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
#53- that’s my dream ticket, in whatever order, and I’d actually like to see it much sooner (2012, after McCain decides not to seek re-election).
August 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
“Clinton’s fans do not support her because she is a woman, but because she’s a woman who agrees with them on the issues they care about.”
Clinton’s fans support her because they are dysfunctional, sychophantic codependents.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
[...] yesterday, McCain plus two today. Where’s William? He still loves polls, doesn’t [...]
August 26th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
If Hutchinson is the pick, we’ll quickly find out how sexist the Democrats and the MSM are.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Quite. And they seem to believe that McCain will pick his Veep based on how angrily they can make their case here on this noble blog.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
dotan…LOL…haha
August 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I detect no difference between the attitudes of many of Hillary’s supporters and those of various other politicians (including Mitt Romney’s, notably on this blog). The only real difference is that Hillary has far more supporters than many of these others.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
btw, for those worried that being VP would impact how Palin would care for her newborn…Presumably being VP gives one better access to the best doctors and medical care and facilities abd speacialists and resources than does being the Governor of Alaska
Besides, to the extent that kids and cuteness and the family factor matters in terms of elections(and I think it does)I’ll put the Palins up against the Obamas any day of the week and feel very confident we’ll win that contest.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
#61: “If Hutchinson is the pick, we’ll quickly find out how sexist the Democrats and the MSM are.”
We already know.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Personally I think we should ditch McCain and run RUDY/PALIN
August 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
If McCain is smart enough to put a woman on the ticket, it’s game over. I know a ton of Hillary supporters who are moderate to liberal but would vote for McCain with a female VP. Think about how many people voted for Hillary in the primary with the hardcore libs going to Barrack. There’s not that many Dems out there for that sort of turn-out unless moderate women were coming out for Hillary. The math is really rather simple, if we crack 50% with women, McCain wins in a landslide.
If McCain were to appoint a woman, Dems would have to attack her. She’d fight back, and Hillary supporters/single moms/ etc. would melt for her. In no particular order, my VP choice as of today stands at:
1) Powell (I know I said we need a woman, but he gives us a landslide, a clean slate in 2012 and a true Americna hero);
2) KBH (there is a strange misconception she is liberal or moderate, she’s not);
3) Blackburn (did some research and she has some significant legislative accomplishment, she brings the conservative base and helps with the female vote);
4) James Jones (he brings both military and economic cred);
5) Palin (too inexperienced, but she’s great).
August 26th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Maybe we’re missing the obvious…Hillary is the VP pick.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
The burning question: Is Sen. McCain that smart? I sure hope so. I like Bullmoose’s picks too.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
McCain’s lead isn’t likely to last after the speeches Teddy K and Michele Obama gave last night, but…
WAHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
August 26th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
O.K.
Hutchinson + McCain = 2 senators with no management experience running against Obama + Biden = 2 Senators with no management experience. Assets: ( Gender + War Hero) runs against (Community Organizer + Joe Beercan’s Lawyer )
JOB ? CEO of world’s largest corporation and worlds biggest employer.
What’s wrong with this picture?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
O.K.
Hutchinson + McCain = 2 senators with no management experience running against Obama + Biden = 2 Senators with no management experience. Assets: ( Gender + War Hero) runs against (Community Organizer + Joe Beercan’s Lawyer )
JOB ? CEO of world’s largest corporation and worlds biggest employer.
What’s wrong with this picture?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Also, I’m so glad to see Hutchison being toted. I was one of the first to come out in support of her. Words of caution: she seems to be gearing up for a run for Gov of Texas in 2010 so she may be committed to that goal. However, once she has some executive experience, it’s hard to imagine how she could be anything but the favorite in 2012 (or more likely 2016).
August 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Regardless whether Hutchison is “conservative” or not, Ambinder says this today: “John McCain would sooner join the gay rodeo than pick Kay Bailey Hutchison as his VP.” Obviously there is an untold story there but it isn’t going to be KB.
If you want a woman whose experience cannot be questioned, who can appeal to the older female voter, while not having any ideological issues at the convention–well there’s only one choice and it means sacrificing another Senate seat. Elizabeth Dole. She is one of the most respected women in America, comes across as a mainstream conservative, and has the tough old grandma schtick down pat. Sure she’s 70; so what? So is Colin Powell only Elizabeth acts 10 years younger. She was single-handedly responsible for her husband’s bounce in ‘96 with her walk around the hall speech; it sure wasn’t “where’s the outrage?” and the forgettable Jack Kemp.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
It’s fundamentally sad that a party that has won 7 of the last 10 presidential elections has to psych itself up to think that it could win another. Yes We Can!
August 26th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
A nation is not a corporation.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Texas McCainiac, the way she wouldn’t be the favorite in 2016 would be if Rep Kasich becomes Gov Kasich and turns around the dysfunctional Rep party in Ohio. Much larger accomplishment, imo, than winning Gov in Texas.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
craig - McCain does have executive experience - he ran a navy fleet of 1,000 folks
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/553/
not that that changes your assertions (73) in the least…
There is a lot WRONG with this picture….
Obama couldn’t even pass a security clearance to get hired by the FBI, and he wants to run the free world? Yeah, sure. Joe “I’ve got a higher IQ than you” Biden? Please…
August 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Condy, Condy, Condy, Condy
Rice, Rice, Rice, Rice.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
#58 - Brian - Fortunately or unfortunately (depends on how you look at it) the Republican Party tends to go with the “next guy in line.”
To all of you guys who think that a woman is a “must have” for McCain to win, I don’t buy it. I think you’re putting way too much emphasis on having a woman as VP. To have a woman as VP just to have a woman is not a very smart decision in my opinion. Why not focus on someone who is qualified and ready for the job (man or woman) of POTUS if anything happens to the President and who is in line with conservative values.
I am getting so sick and tired of all this talk about Lieberman and Powell and people who aren’t true conservatives being the VP. Why in the heck do we want to go out of our way to attract liberals?!
“Now, I’m going to just tell you, folks, if the Republican Party grows and spans by attracting liberals as liberals - and if we grow and expand because we have a candidate who’s going out trying to attract liberals by being like them — then the party’s going to be around, but you won’t recognize it. It’s going to be over as it exists now.”
Rush Limbaugh 2/4/8
August 26th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Lynne Cheney… why not? A McCain/Cheney ticket would send the libs up the walls. She’s a very accomplished individual. She was floated as GWB VP pick back in 2000 as well.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
The ratings of the first day of the Democratic National Convention were in the toilet last night.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Beth good point, vis a vis, who is next in line. That’s the only reason Bob Dole was nominated in ‘96, in my view. A great man, but a terrible Presidential candidate IMHO.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
#84, yes, like it or not, that seems to be how it works. I’ve also noticed that, although the Republicans will give their nominees a second chance, the Democrats don’t seem to give a nominee another chance if they’re on a failed ticket. I’m rather new to this game, so I could be wrong.
Wouldn’t it be something if we found out that Obama had asked Hillary to be his VP and she said no. I think she’s smart enough to see that Obama is probably going to lose and she didn’t want to be part of a losing ticket so she could try for 2012.
Just some thoughts.
I hope John McCain surprises us and really turns out to govern as a conservative.
The History Channel had a special on Teddy Roosevelt (McCain’s stated hero) this morning, and I’m reading the biography of Teddy Roosevelt by David McCullough. He was quite a guy! He also promised he wouldn’t run for a second term, which he later came to regret. Perhaps one reason why John McCain is not making that promise. You never know what will happen.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Beth, VP Mondale is the most recent example for Dems (maybe the only one?). He ran with Pres Carter in ‘80, only to lose by one of the greatest landslides in history (489-49). He then proceeded to lose at the top of the ticket in ‘84 by an even more impressive 525-13 (only holding his home state and DC, which has NEVER voted for a Rep since gaining electoral votes). Somewhat ironically, this same VP Mondale was asked to run for the Senate in MN in ‘02 when the seated Sen tragically died in a plane crash. He lost that race as well.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Do the polls take into consideration what cell phone users might lean? Since so many people have that as their main source of communication, especially the younger voters.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Very very nice! We’ll need more conformation than this, but there are quite a few polls coming out showing tied so far (Ras I believe as well) and I trust Rasmussen and Gallup as the gold standards in the GE. Suh weet!
August 26th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I’m not the biggest Romney fan but he did have a good line on FOX just now about his houses. He said “I have one less than John Kerry”. End of discussion.
He’s the best of the traditional choices, IMO. Better than Pawlenty by far.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Beth and others,
Who would Teddy choose?
August 26th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
#87. Gery.
Yes, polling firms do extensive research on mobile phones users, their demographics and political ideology and weigh it in their polls. In 10-15 years though, this will become increasingly difficult as less and less people will have landlines.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Thanks Rick!
August 26th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Post of the Day award goes to….
Jim in #23 for quoting Metallica.
Nice job, Jim! It isn’t often you can quote Metallica (and make it sound good) on a political blog.