August 27, 2008

Open Thread: VP Smackdown - Attack Ad Edition

This should be fun.

Think of McCain’s potential VPs. Create attack ads for potential candidates that the Democrats could use.

This is something that we have to be prepared for.

For instance, if McCain picked Joe Lieberman, imagine a “Kisses and Hugs for George Bush” ad. “The kiss” from Lieberman coupled with that awkward McCain hug, while quotes of their support for Bush’s policies flash over the screen. There would also be weirdly sexual overtones to it, of course, making the viewer feel uncomfortable.

Let’s say McCain picked Romney. “Foreign policy experience doesn’t matter” coupled with “economics isn’t something that I understand as well as I should”? And that doesn’t even begin to touch upon their criticisms of each other during the primary — both on a personal and substantive level.

What about Palin? Doesn’t that totally destroy the “Ready to Lead” mantra? If McCain picks a VP with less experience than Barack Obama in high office, then that gives a wide opening for Obama aides to float the idea that since McCain is so old, his VP is of special concern.

Hutchison? The Democrats wouldn’t do this on their own, but the new liberal mantra would become “Grandpa and Grandma ‘08″. Talk about a future vs. past narrative.

Now go at it.

This should be interesting…

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132 Responses to “Open Thread: VP Smackdown - Attack Ad Edition”

  1. Texas McCainiac (Formerly, Texas Conservative) Says:

    Mehhh… Biden kind of throws a wrench in the young vs. old meme.

  2. Alex Knepper Says:

    But Obama’s going to be the president.

  3. Doug Forrester Says:

    Democrats couldn’t run much against Pawlenty. They could try to blame him for the bridge collapse but that would hurt them in Minnesota.

  4. Kristofer Says:

    #2, don’t be a snot.

  5. Alex Knepper Says:

    4 - I mean if Obama/Biden wins. There’s no danger of Obama dying. So no one cares.

  6. TexasTim Says:

    Excellent focal point Alex, it does clarify whom The McCain Camp should be chosing. I think he’s known for some time who it was going to be, thus the line of attack they have continued to pursue against Obama/Biden.

  7. TexasTim Says:

    Excellent focal point Alex, it does clarify whom The McCain Camp should be chosing. I think he’s known for some time who it was going to be, thus the line of attack they have continued to pursue against Obama/Biden.

  8. Joel Says:

    Pawlenty or Palin

    actually, I will be happy with anyone but Lieberman at this point, and hopefully thats why McCain keeps dropping his name

  9. TexasTim Says:

    Sorry for the double post, it’s getting late in Texas!

  10. Kristofer Says:

    “What about Palin? Doesn’t that totally destroy the “Ready to Lead” mantra?”

    She is a Governor! There is a reason Governor’s almost always win the Presidency. The “TITLE” carries so much weight (experience).

    Palin, Pawlenty, Sanford, etc…..they all are immune.

  11. Illinoisguy Says:

    I’m sure they’d show Rudy in a few of his dresses, lipstick, and high heels.

  12. jim Says:

    why is there no danger of Obama dying? He’s a long time smoker who’s mother died young of cancer and whos father died young as well. I cant imagine Kenyan males have high longevity rates.

    and it’s not like being the 1st black president would have extra security risks

  13. Big S Says:

    Palin:

    1.) Sarah Palin fired a officer in Alaska because he wouldn’t fire her ex-brother-in-law after a family fight, and replaced him with a friend who will do her bidding. After years of Bush Administration abuse of power and cronyism (show pictures of Valerie Plame, Alberto Gonzalez, and Michael Brown) do you really want to vote for more of the same?

    2.) Sarah Palin thinks that abortion should be illegal even in the case of rape or incest (show pictures of convicted child rapists). Do you really want her making that decision for you?

  14. Brian Says:

    Post 10
    THANK YOU!!!!!!
    I hate it how people keep saying this about governors. Frankly, any governor is more experienced than any senator in my book- the presidency is an EXECUTIVE position, and people who haven’t held an executive position aren’t qualified. I would add though that McCain has been a leader (in both a good and bad way) in the Senate, as opposed to Obama, who is so inexperienced that it’s comical, and Biden, who just holds committee meetings to hear himself talk. ARGH!!!

  15. Texas McCainiac (Formerly, Texas Conservative) Says:

    Alex #2, 4 - If only the top of the ticket’s age matters, then your reasoning against Hutchison is flawed.

    TexasTim #9 - Agreed!

  16. WiseGuy Says:

    They can’t run anything against Huckabee either.

  17. Alex Knepper Says:

    15 - “If only…”

    No, because McCain is already old. Adding another elderly person to the ticket doubles down on the weakness.

  18. Texas McCainiac (Formerly, Texas Conservative) Says:

    jim #12 - I couldn’t agree more. Obama is not immune to death. Already there have been some reports of assassination plots. It’s utterly tragic and abhorrent that such racism exists, but that doesn’t wish it away. It really is horribly sad but also horrible real.

  19. Jerseyrepublican Says:

    Illinois…what do you have against a joke…it was SNL.

  20. Kristofer Says:

    #17, Alex is correct and McCain admitted it, BUT…….

    Women in their 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s are the one’s luke-warm to Obama.

  21. Jerseyrepublican Says:

    Romney…He spent millions of dollars to lose an election, then he spent millions more to buy a house in California…that was his money…what do you think he’ll do with yours?

  22. matt Says:

    anyone but pawlenty, he is already being laughed at and joked about

    hutchison would have a real chance to capitalize on clinton anger, women’s issues, and the media would hesitate to attack because they have been labeled sexist already.

  23. Greg Alterton Says:

    #11. — “I’m sure they’d show Rudy in a few of his dresses, lipstick, and high heels.”

    That crap works on FreeRepublic, not with the general electorate.

  24. Gery- Says:

    #11, Rudy looked way better than Donna Hannover!

  25. Tom Says:

    Romney ran against Senator Edward M. Kennedy in 1994. During a debate, Romney declared: “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.”
    - Boston Globe, March 2, 2006

  26. Tom Says:

    “Romney has decided to support experimentation on surplus frozen embryos from in-vitro fertilization procedures.”
    - National Review Online, February 11, 2005

    “At a campaign appearance at Brandeis University in June 2002, Romney strongly endorsed stem cell research.”
    - Boston Globe, December 17, 2006

  27. BobH Says:

    I think I’ll avoid this thread — it’s going to get really ugly.

  28. Tom Says:

    “When he ran for governor in 2002, Romney said he supported expanding access to the emergency contraception pill, a high dose of hormones that women can take to prevent pregnancy up to five days after sex . . . On a questionnaire Planned Parenthood gave to the gubernatorial candidates in 2002, Romney answered ‘yes’ to the question, ‘Do you support efforts to increase access to emergency contraception?’ ”
    - Boston Globe, July 7, 2005

  29. KnightHawk Says:

    “#11, Rudy looked way better than Donna Hannover!”

    So true.

  30. Jason Bonham Says:

    Ads going after VP’s are pretty ineffective, IMO.

    Does anyone know of any research on this.

    I personally think McCain’s ads going after Biden’s comments on Obama were dumb, most voters realize it was when they were campaigning against each other.

  31. Alex Knepper Says:

    If Romney didn’t use the drag against Rudy, nobody will.

  32. sampo Says:

    lets just be happy romney isnt the nominee for president. he trashed everyone…. EVERYONE he ran against. mccain didnt trash anyone except romney –the one guy who deserved it.

  33. Alex Knepper Says:

    sampo, would you vote for McCain/Romney?

  34. sampo Says:

    alex, i can only hope that’s a “what if” question and never a “what now” question.

  35. FredsFighter Says:

    I have a source that’s telling me that OBAMA has convinced McCain to pick him as his running mate, guaranteeing both men the victory. They’ve secretly agreed to determine who gets to be the boss after the election by holding a rock-paper-scissors match.

    Seriously people, I can’t believe how much time some of you spend on this endless speculation. Dontcha all have somethin’ better to do?

    /me fully realizes the hypocrisy of my statement.

  36. sampo Says:

    If mccain picked romney as vp i’d pull a barack obama and say: this is not the john mccain i’ve known for the past 10 years. maybe i wouldnt support him. a large part of it would be because mccain would be making such a p*ss poor decision that i could never have envisioned him making. if you think about it, all the people pimping a mccain-romney ticket are the same people who went to hell and back to prevent mccain from being the nominee. why would i respect that behavior from the talk radio blow-hards?

  37. Aron Goldman Says:

    McCain Seems To Have Obama Beat in One Arena
    Campaign Buys Rights To Top Search Results On Key Election Terms

  38. BarkTwiggs Says:

    Eric Cantor: he is the most jewish Jew that ever jewed. At least that’s what the DNC press release would sound like. Apparently, last time they did a press release they had to mention his heritage 5 times.

  39. Jason Bonham Says:

    Guys with ear pieces following Romney around:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/as-veep-rumors.html

  40. sampo Says:

    hey jason. isnt a “coattail rider” just a euphemism for “bottomfeeder”? we all remember how casually you’d toss that word around.

  41. Jerseyrepublican Says:

    #38, Bark…”the most jewish Jew that ever jewed.” that is the funniest thing i heard today…you should write for SNL.

  42. Big S Says:

    Guys with ear pieces following Romney around

    I wonder if any of them threatened the reporter who followed Romney. His associates have a history of that, you know.

  43. Paul8148 Says:

    MSNBC is claiming it is down to Pawntley or Ridge and they will give a call to one in the morning.

  44. Jerseyrepublican Says:

    43 I am claiming it is between Rudy and Giuliani and I’ve already made my call.

  45. Jason Bonham Says:

    40.

    No a coatail rider is someone who rides on the successes of another candidate to get into office. Bottom feeders are candidates like Brownback.

  46. BarkTwiggs Says:

    44,
    You forgot one more: Hizzoner. :)

  47. BarkTwiggs Says:

    Jason,
    I don’t like the bottom feeder reference. Personally, I prefer Switchback Sam or Samnesty Brownback.

  48. bethtopaz Says:

    Romney.

  49. Jason Bonham Says:

    47. I think you’re on to something.

  50. bethtopaz Says:

    There once was a man named McCain
    The Democrats called him McSame
    He chose a VP
    And we all prayed that he
    Had Mitt as his very first name.

  51. sampo Says:

    so bottom feeders strive to be winners (like brownback) and coattail riders are people who settle for first loser. got it. a vp romney will be so amazingly castrated i’d almost be embarrassed for him. how will romney be able to promise 300 billion in farmer subsidies or a few billion to stifle free trade?

    anyhoo, how does it feel being a tool for the mccain administration by saying romney would be the vp? i know it must have stung to have been used by a candidate you hated so much.

  52. Gery- Says:

    Yeap, the McCain camp is running to tell MSNBC. Don’t think so!

  53. Jason Bonham Says:

    Sampo,

    Ha! You’re a riot! Keep it up!

  54. Jerseyrepublican Says:

    Bark…that’s right Hizzoner also has 8 letters.

  55. Alex Knepper Says:

    There once was a mayor named Rudy
    He married a woman named Judy
    He took all her calls –
    It meant nothing at all
    If they came in the middle of duty.

  56. Alex Knepper Says:

    There once was a liar named Mitt –
    He governed as a moderate.
    He made the decision
    To switch his positions
    So I can’t trust him now — not for shit.

  57. bethtopaz Says:

    #55 - Alex, Nice.

    All this waiting is making me a little punchy - and prolific!! ;) you, too.

  58. matt Says:

    t-paw rising at intrade

    no no no no no no no no no no no no no

  59. Alex Knepper Says:

    There once was a guy named Barack
    He’s a star, leftists said — he can rock!
    He’s so cool, he’s The One
    But don’t ask what he’s done
    Or you’ll give him away as a crock!

  60. BarkTwiggs Says:

    There once was a man named Huck…ah screw it, I can’t do this!

  61. Alex Knepper Says:

    There once was this fellow named Biden
    But what’s in his past, what’s he hidin’?
    He went off on some screed
    ‘Bout how Barry can’t lead
    Although on his back, Joe is ridin’!

  62. Alex Knepper Says:

    Huck ran in the Race 4 ‘08.
    And he knew in the South, he’d do great!
    But though Jesus supported him,
    Voters aborted him
    As an ‘08 candidate.

  63. bethtopaz Says:

    Alex - your #56 limmerick sucks.

  64. KnightHawk Says:

    *claps* more! more!

  65. bethtopaz Says:

    You do have talent though, but I’m an ardent Mitt supporter.
    You have your right to your opinion,
    And I have a right to tell you you’re wrong.

    P.S. You’re wrong!

  66. sampo Says:

    There once was a Messiah named Obama
    Who under the bus threw his Grandma and Mama
    But for his polygamist father
    he wrote a book in his honor
    His radiance even outshines the Dalai Lama

  67. Alex Knepper Says:

    Better check that rhythm, sampo .

    o_O

  68. Jason Says:

    And Obama’s dad was a bigamist, not a polygamist.

  69. HearMeRoar Says:

    Hmmm, an attack ad against Romney? I’ll have to ponder that a bit.

  70. Big S Says:

    #69

    An ad along the lines of the one Ted Kennedy ran against him in ‘94 - the Ampad layoffs - is tough enough.

  71. HearMeRoar Says:

    70. No, that’s not what I had in mind. I’m thinking about something that people would eternally remember . . .

    And when I think of Pawlenty, I think of Wonder Bread. How about a shot of Pawlenty up to his neck in white bread?

  72. WiseGuy Says:

    McCain is a maverick
    For sure, he’ll pick Lieberman
    And there’ll be a brawl
    In the halls of St. Paul
    And the winner will be Huckabee

  73. Emtee Says:

    Mike Huckabee lost lots of weight,
    And thought he would win in ‘08.
    The race he would master
    Afterall, he was a pastor!
    But lost in a great stroke of fate

  74. Alex Knepper Says:

    WiseGuy, limericks have to be AABBA format.

  75. J. Martin Says:

    You people crack me up. :)

  76. Emtee Says:

    Mitt Romney for president ran,
    And he had a really great tan!
    But then he did shout:
    “who let the dogs out
    of the kennel” on top of the van.

  77. Emtee Says:

    We couldn’t decide on ‘The Mayor’
    And Romney had “too many layers”.
    Ron Paul, no, he’s crazy,
    Fred Thompson? Just lazy,
    And Huckabee ran on a prayer.

  78. Emtee Says:

    He’s having his time in the sun,
    The guy that they call ‘the one’.
    “Don’t cling to your gun”,
    “New taxes? a ton”.
    No thanks, I think I’ll have none.

  79. Illinoisguy Says:

    Don’t quit your day job Alex! :)

  80. Illinoisguy Says:

    There once was a man named McCain.
    Who some say went quite insane,
    Will he pick my man Mitt,
    While some throw a fit?
    Yeah its the man from Bain!

  81. Illinoisguy Says:

    There once was a man named Huck,
    Who some say really does suck,
    Others say he has no flaw,
    But he sticks up my craw,
    Not to worry, we won’t be stuck.

  82. Illinoisguy Says:

    There once was man named Mitt,
    That some of us like quite a bit,
    He’ll be named VP soon,
    All the ladies can swoon,
    While our comrades all have a fit!

  83. Adam Says:

    There once was a man named Barack.
    He never did much more than sqwak.
    Dems himmed and hawed.
    His selection was odd.
    But he’ll lose. Not enough of a hawk.

  84. Illinoisguy Says:

    I know, rhythm, rhythm, think rhythm…hey, I just got up to pee, what do you expect?

  85. Heath Says:

    Too much info IG!

    Mate don’t be too upset if it’s not Mitt. If he picks Pawlenty he loses. Period.

    In which case it might be best not to be tainted with a McCain loss. Seriously I know we all pretty much want McCain to win but it he doesn’t who has a chance of beating Mitt in 2012?

    NO-ONE!

  86. Illinoisguy Says:

    #85 - I know, but its not about Mitt, its about the country. The country needs him now, not four years fromnow.
    We have huge problems and no one else with the skill set to solve them.

  87. Adam Says:

    Yes of course. It doesn’t matter if we win or lose. All that matters is if Mitt is still viable in 2012.

    The truth is that if Mitt is not the VP nominee he is done in politics. You have to go all the way back to 1968 to find a time where the Republican nominee wasn’t already in public office when nominated. And if you look back at the Democrats, Mondale seemed a little rusty in 1984.

    If it’s not Mitt (and it’s not Mitt) then Mitt is not going to ever be president.

  88. Illinoisguy Says:

    Adam, why are you so sure its not Mitt. The gamblers still have him over 2 to 1 ahead of the next placed person.. What are you going by?

  89. Adam Says:

    test

  90. Adam Says:

    I don’t understand what’s going on. I’m trying to reply and the system keeps deleting my comments. I’m getting annoyed.

  91. Adam Says:

    This is the third and last time I am going to try this.

    McCain is basing a strategy on using Dems’ words against Barry. This wasn’t one or two ads. It’s been a sustained effort for twoweeks. The only candidate on our side that could undercut that is Mitt Romney. The Dems will trot out everything they can and try to beat us at our own game if Mitt is picked. Also, you don’t run a campaign with the slogan “Country First” and then pick the candidate that Democrats will easily tag as being a political opportunist. It just doesn’t make sense.

    As for In-trade, the volume of traders is quite low. It could be easily influenced by a small army of Mitt supporters, since it seems like only Mitt’s supporters are really die hard about the pick. Everyone else will just shrug their shoulders, accept the choice and move on.

  92. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    Adam,

    For the record, Reagan wasn’t holding public office in 80′. He left the Governor’s mansion in 74′. Which is, coincidentally the same gap Mitt would be attempting to leapfrog.

  93. Adam Says:

    You’re right. I forgot that Reagan wasn’t still governor. But Romney’s support now is nothing like Reagan’s was after he very narrowly lost the nomination in 1976.

  94. Illinoisguy Says:

    Adam, I don’t think the things that were said are on issues that would hurt McCain. They would show that he was more like the Dems on immigration. They would show he was against the Bush tax cuts, as the Dems are. Even though neither of them really supported a timelined withdrawel, even if they tried to use that it only shows that one of them supposedly thought like they did. Neither was ever attempting to say the other wasn’t qualified to be President. That’s what we are trotting out before the public about them. Which issues would be effective for the Dems. I just don’t see any.

  95. K Green Says:

    I think we should poll Russia, North Korea, and Iran, if we have to base our decision on what the Dems will do the there will be one thing that won’t be on our list that they’ll use.

  96. Adam Says:

    Is anyone else having problems with this site not posting comments?

  97. Adam Says:

    A few things have made me think it’s not going to be Romney. The ads are one thing. The narrative of “country first” is another. The unfortunate “seven houses” comment is a third. Barry’s selection of Joe Biden in order to make a play for blue-collar white men is the fourth. Number five is that Karl Rove appears to be trying to strong-arm McCain to do what he wants. Rove and the Bushies tried to do everything they could to deny McCain the nomination. Why would McCain want to pick Rove’s chosen candidate? Number six is that McCain is doing reasonably well in the West. He leads the RCP average of NV and he is only -0.4 in Colorado. Why would McCain want to pick Mitt and risk losing VA and OH now that the western states have broken his way in the past few weeks.

  98. Illinoisguy Says:

    Adam - Others were last night. I think I lost one last night.

  99. Illinoisguy Says:

    Adam, Mitt out polled everyone in the last Virginia VEEPS poll, including Huckabee. He showed a very positive ‘ore likely’ to vote for McCain amongst evangelicals, and beat all others badly amongst Protestants and Catholics in Virginia. The same thing that will help him in Michigan will help in Ohio, except not a familial tie to Ohio, but I certainly don’t think he hurts at all.

    Colorado may show almost even now, but in a few days it will be pretty bad in favor of Obama. the 75,000 watching tonight will all be given personal info, and the GOTV for Dems will be high. We must be able to offset that. several states that Mitt helps in are too close to assume we have them won.

  100. Adam Says:

    It doesn’t make any sense that Mitt would do well in VA. I wouldn’t hange my hat on one veepstakes poll any more than I believe that Pawlenty will help in MN 13 points. History shows that Romney fared poorly in the south. A case might be made that Romney won’t hurt the ticket much in VA but he isn’t going to help when push comes to shove. He’s most valuable in the west, but now that McCain’s campaign has taken the Dem against Dem approach, Biden is going to make a play for the blue-collar white men that Obama can’t reach I don’t see how Romney is a worthwhile pick anymore.

  101. Illinoisguy Says:

    My posts are getting eaten too!

  102. OHIO JOE Says:

    I am still hoping my Mr. Pawlenty, but I am preparing myself for Mr. Romney. There are few other viable choices left.

  103. Taylor Says:

    The press was already swarming Biden’s house by this time last week. I find it curious that although it’s being reported that
    it’s essentially down to KBH and Pawlenty, they’re not even being asked about it.

  104. MWS Says:

    Taylor,

    ” I find it curious that although it’s being reported that
    it’s essentially down to KBH and Pawlenty, they’re not even being asked about it.”

    That’s because they are not being Chosen by The One.

  105. Craig Says:

    Adam,
    Just a brief correction

    Romney got 30 % of the vote in Georgia. Mccain got 31 % and Huckabee got 33 %. If Romney faired poorly , how did Mccain and Huckabee fair in Georgia?
    Romney destroyed both Huckabee and McCain in Metro Atlanta.
    Mccain barely edged Romney in Florida with Huckabee a distant third. Without Dade and Broward counties, Romney probably wins Florida. How is this fairing poorly in the south, that everyone knows.?

  106. Adam Says:

    Craig,

    And the only reason he did even that well is because of Northern transplants. Set Georgia aside. how did he do in TN, MO, OK, SC?

  107. Illinoisguy Says:

    Adam - Thirty-four percent (34%) of Minnesota voters say they are less likely to vote for the GOP candidate if Pawlenty is the vice presidential nominee, while 28% say it makes them more likely to vote for McCain.

    The poll you cite with the 13% was erroneously reported. The table explicitly showed only a 1% help.

  108. Illinoisguy Says:

    My first paragraph was rasmussen August 14th.

  109. Adam Says:

    I forgot Alabama. He got crushed there too. Citing only GA is a flimsy argument. And the difference between VA and GA is that the urban professionals in NoVA are Democrats. Romney will fare in Appalcahian VA about as well as he did everywhere else in the “old south”.

  110. Adam Says:

    IL Guy,

    I still contend those veepstakes polls are based largely on name recognition. How else can you explain Bloomberg helping the ticket in Ohio?

  111. Illinoisguy Says:

    I’d say they know Charlie Crist pretty well in Florida, and know Pawlenty pretty well in Mn. ;)

  112. Illinoisguy Says:

    He nearly tied in MO Adam

  113. Illinoisguy Says:

    He would have won W. Virginia except for the cheating.

  114. Adam Says:

    WV was a caucus state.

  115. Illinoisguy Says:

    Pawlenty just said on MSNBC that McCain will pick a pro-life candidate.

  116. Matthew E. Miller Says:

    Sigh. I can’t wait until this whole thing is over. I can’t stand the constant shilling for one candidate or another. Hopefully the folks who can’t handle McCain’s pick leave, and we don’t have to deal with “he should have picked X” all the way to November.

  117. OHIO JOE Says:

    How is playing by playing buy the rules, cheating?

  118. Illinoisguy Says:

    I don’t think that needs amplification. We all know what happened. In a game of backetball, if a guy from the other team steps aside to help the opponent score, we would think of that as cheating.

  119. OHIO JOE Says:

    This is Democracy, not basketball, if you cannot get 50% plus one, perhaps you do not deserve to win. You had players on your Basketball team, turn around is fair play.

  120. MarkG Says:

    He would have won W. Virginia except for the cheating.

    This line pretty much sums up all the weaknesses in the arguments of the die-hard Rombots: If we don’t win, we woz robbed!

  121. Jeff Says:

    “if you cannot get 50% plus one, perhaps you do not deserve to win”

    Does anyone recall how long it took McCain to reach this threshold in the primaries? Honestly, I don’t remember. He cobbled together his win due to the number of candidates. Must have been one of the contests in March?

  122. Illinoisguy Says:

    If you ran ten players in against 5 in basketball, I think we would call that cheating. In politics, its just business as usual, but still pretty rotten stuff.

  123. OHIO JOE Says:

    That is true Jeff, but those are not the rule agreed upon in West Virginia. Those West Virginians were VOTRES, not basketball players. I guess perhaps it is not fair if voters perfer one candidate over another, but that is democracy.

  124. Adam Says:

    >> He cobbled together his win due to the number of candidates

    And what does that say about his popularity? All of the other candidates and their banded together by choosing the “ehh” candidate McCain simply to deny Mitt.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’ve come around to viewing Romney as acceptable. But some of you die-hards make it awfully tough.

  125. mary Says:

    Hope McCain does pick a pro-life Vice President.

  126. Illinoisguy Says:

    Adam, it was their only way to beat him, not that they didn’t like him.

    If you think about Pawlenty’s statement, it tells us more than you may first think.

    1)He either knows, and know it is a pro-life candidate
    2)He is lieing, or
    3)He hasn’t been told yet, and is giving his personal opinion.

    I would lean to it being the first.

  127. John Galt Says:

    it sounds from sampo and knepper’s tones of voices that they are feeling like its going to be romney.

    I saw t-paw this morning on morning joe, wow that guy is bland. he looked so awkward in an informal context. it didn’t even seem like he could relate with anybody. he is really boring. i don’t haven’t seen him much but watchign him this morning made me think that there is no way he is the pick??

    i am tired of this. he needs to pick already.

  128. Illinoisguy Says:

    I think its pretty sickening when a front page poster on this site indicates that he will not vote for McCain if he puts a full coalition candidate of Romney or Pawlenty. That affirms what many have known all alone. Alex is a RINO.

  129. Illinoisguy Says:

    full coalition=three legged stool

    I know, Pawlenty may not quite qualify, but the’s pro-life and pro-traditional marriage, and thats too much for Alex.

  130. MarkG Says:

    Um, Mitt played the caucus in WV with the largest expenditure of any rival campaign. All the others joined their non-Mitt votes in a coalition and handed him a defeat. You can only claim this to be unfair if you invent arbitrary rules.

  131. Illinoisguy Says:

    It doesn’t matter. Its ancient history now.

    The good news is that Romney will be the VP. If I were a betting man, I would take him against the field right now even money. I’d almost do it even though I’m not a gambler, because in my mind, its almost a sure thing.

  132. Jerry Withrow Says:

    No Willard!!!
    http://www.massresistance.com/romney

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