Boy that sure is a lot of swing states, do you think these states will decrease come closer to election time? Hopefully they will increase to try and steal some other Obama states but i’m not holding my breath on that one.
Been seeing it in Eastern Ohio. Also, that Palin ad comparing him to Obama has been airing here, too. Not just a video release. I have seen NO Obama ads airing during the convention.
“One idea that’s being kicked around by Dems: Because huge amounts of media coverage of Palin are inevitable, why not start pushing the idea that she’s upstaging the guy who’s supposed to be at the top of the ticket?
The idea here is that her speeches will energize audiences more than his will, and she’ll prove a stronger fundraising draw than he will — facts that Dems can point to in order to portray McCain as being diminished and overshadowed by his more-charismatic and energetic number-two.”
I was going to do a post about this, but thought “hey, let’s not give them any ideas”. So I just slipped it in a comment. For me, the logic is deeper then that; not only does Obama risk turning off rural, blue-collar voters and women if he goes after Palin, he risks turning off MEN. I’m only 21, but that’s old enough to have been taught, even in this blue state, by relatively moderate parents, that “you don’t attack girls”. How’s this old-time chivalry going to resonate with men from an older generation?
Looks like TPM concurs with me on the best way to go after Palin:
“One idea that’s being kicked around by Dems: Because huge amounts of media coverage of Palin are inevitable, why not start pushing the idea that she’s upstaging the guy who’s supposed to be at the top of the ticket?
The idea here is that her speeches will energize audiences more than his will, and she’ll prove a stronger fundraising draw than he will — facts that Dems can point to in order to portray McCain as being diminished and overshadowed by his more-charismatic and energetic number-two.”
I was going to do a post about this, but thought “hey, let’s not give them any ideas”. So I just slipped it in a comment. For me, the logic is deeper then that; not only does Obama risk turning off rural, blue-collar voters and women if he goes after Palin, he risks turning off MEN. I’m only 21, but that’s old enough to have been taught, even in this blue state, by relatively moderate parents, that “you don’t attack girls”. How’s this old-time chivalry going to resonate with men from an older generation?
I’m not a big fan of the Kilpatrick connection; the Dems are just dying for an opportunity to accuse Republicans of racism, and tying Obama to convicted black criminals, even if legitimate, is pretty easily tied to racism when you have a complicit media. Their are plenty of white radicals to connect him to.
I’m in a debate with a friend about Obama’s tax plan. He says no one under $250K will get a tax increase under the Obama plan. Does this include the expiration of the Bush tax cuts? Payroll taxes? Can anyone point me to a article or blog with info on this as I hear alot of Obama supporters and Obama himself use this line about $250k and below won’t get a tax increase. Thanks
9. I have been thinking that for a couple days. It would be a good Dem move, since in all honesty, McCain wasn’t doing firing up, and the base will be voting for Palin, not McCain.
I think the idea is a little more subtle then that. Culturally, Palin has alot in common with the blue-collar Democrats that Obama lost in droves to Hillary in the primaries; far more then Obama does. To the extent that attacks on her seem subtly tinged with elitism, voters who wouldn’t ordinarily consider McCain/Palin, will rally around her for cultural reasons (and I mean cultural outside of the political context). So attacking her on any of the obvious lines (she’s inexperienced= she’s dumb, she has no foreign policy experience= she hasn’t spent years smoozing elites in Washington, etc) simply isn’t going to work, it’s going to backfire. But, if they praise her, and point out that it’s a shame she’s not at the top of the ticket, those blue-collar voters will like Obama more, and they’ll remember that, after all, it’s not Palin that’s running for President. In other words, rural and suburban Dems and independents will vote for McCain/Palin if they feel like their culture is under siege, but they’ll vote based on issues if they remember that McCain, a prep-school Navy pilot with no clear connections to the heartland, is really leading the ticket, not Palin.
11, I do not know if the Kilpatrick connection is anything more than an endorsement. If that’s it, bid deal. Obama has real skeletons in his closet like his friendship with domestic terrorist Ayers and long-time spritual advisor Wright.
As for your assertion that pointing out the connection would be claimed to be racist, I’m not sure they would make the argument but you are right its better safe than sorry.
If anyone wants a good diversion, take a few minutes to read this article - a bit satirical, but so true…
Tease:
And I must say, with appropriate solicitude, that it grieves me to witness a man who seeks to be the leader of the free world, a man who proclaims his fitness for the highest duty in the land, make a habit of whining and tattling every time he gets his wittle feelings hurt.
One shudders to think how our IslamoFascist enemies would deal with such girly-boy tirades.
Let’s not even go there.
Let’s just let that thought rest in peace, shall we.
That ad has been playing for 3-5 days here in Youngstown, OH. According to media research, Youngstown, OH, a HUGE Democratic Stronghold that went to Hillary 68-32, is 4th among metro markets for political advertisements!
The media and the MSM have definitely had trouble trying to take Palin down a notch. They just have not figured out a way to do it and it is causing them some noticeable grief. It’s a hard sell to attack her experience without inviting examination of Obama’s experience and a feeling of hypocrisy. They have tried to attack her personally and her family and that has back-fired. My sense is they will try to shift gears and praise her personally and her life story but paint her as a “right wing extremist” in her policy views that are really no different then GW Bush. But, I doubt they concede she is a star that outshines McCain. One, it reflects well on McCain that the maverick made such a stunning and brilliant choice. Two, it attracts women to the Republican ticket by reminding them that McCain put a superb women on the ticket and Obama passed one over and instead picked an old grumpy white guy. But, if that is what they are left with then that is really good news for McCain/Palin.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
better ad than the first one.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Good, good. The more people that know that Congress is Dem, the better for John McCain and GOPers downticket.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Boy that sure is a lot of swing states, do you think these states will decrease come closer to election time? Hopefully they will increase to try and steal some other Obama states but i’m not holding my breath on that one.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Been seeing it in Eastern Ohio. Also, that Palin ad comparing him to Obama has been airing here, too. Not just a video release. I have seen NO Obama ads airing during the convention.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I’ve seen this ad in the Tampa market. There was an Obama ad that pretty much said McCain=Bush and they are EVIL!!!
September 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
This is one reason, I like Mrs. Palin so much, she will help many Republicans win Congressional seats.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
You are right Billy Eastern Ohio is becoming Palin Country!
September 5th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
wow have you guys seen this ad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SODIFZXIPA
do you think it will play well in Michigan?
September 5th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Looks like TPM concurs with me on the best way to go after Palin: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/whats_the_plan_to_deal_with_pa.php
“One idea that’s being kicked around by Dems: Because huge amounts of media coverage of Palin are inevitable, why not start pushing the idea that she’s upstaging the guy who’s supposed to be at the top of the ticket?
The idea here is that her speeches will energize audiences more than his will, and she’ll prove a stronger fundraising draw than he will — facts that Dems can point to in order to portray McCain as being diminished and overshadowed by his more-charismatic and energetic number-two.”
I was going to do a post about this, but thought “hey, let’s not give them any ideas”. So I just slipped it in a comment. For me, the logic is deeper then that; not only does Obama risk turning off rural, blue-collar voters and women if he goes after Palin, he risks turning off MEN. I’m only 21, but that’s old enough to have been taught, even in this blue state, by relatively moderate parents, that “you don’t attack girls”. How’s this old-time chivalry going to resonate with men from an older generation?
September 5th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Looks like TPM concurs with me on the best way to go after Palin:
“One idea that’s being kicked around by Dems: Because huge amounts of media coverage of Palin are inevitable, why not start pushing the idea that she’s upstaging the guy who’s supposed to be at the top of the ticket?
The idea here is that her speeches will energize audiences more than his will, and she’ll prove a stronger fundraising draw than he will — facts that Dems can point to in order to portray McCain as being diminished and overshadowed by his more-charismatic and energetic number-two.”
I was going to do a post about this, but thought “hey, let’s not give them any ideas”. So I just slipped it in a comment. For me, the logic is deeper then that; not only does Obama risk turning off rural, blue-collar voters and women if he goes after Palin, he risks turning off MEN. I’m only 21, but that’s old enough to have been taught, even in this blue state, by relatively moderate parents, that “you don’t attack girls”. How’s this old-time chivalry going to resonate with men from an older generation?
September 5th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Matt, the debates will establish McCain as the top of the ticket, this strategy just won’t work.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Joel,
I’m not a big fan of the Kilpatrick connection; the Dems are just dying for an opportunity to accuse Republicans of racism, and tying Obama to convicted black criminals, even if legitimate, is pretty easily tied to racism when you have a complicit media. Their are plenty of white radicals to connect him to.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I’m in a debate with a friend about Obama’s tax plan. He says no one under $250K will get a tax increase under the Obama plan. Does this include the expiration of the Bush tax cuts? Payroll taxes? Can anyone point me to a article or blog with info on this as I hear alot of Obama supporters and Obama himself use this line about $250k and below won’t get a tax increase. Thanks
September 5th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
9. I have been thinking that for a couple days. It would be a good Dem move, since in all honesty, McCain wasn’t doing firing up, and the base will be voting for Palin, not McCain.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Joel,
I think the idea is a little more subtle then that. Culturally, Palin has alot in common with the blue-collar Democrats that Obama lost in droves to Hillary in the primaries; far more then Obama does. To the extent that attacks on her seem subtly tinged with elitism, voters who wouldn’t ordinarily consider McCain/Palin, will rally around her for cultural reasons (and I mean cultural outside of the political context). So attacking her on any of the obvious lines (she’s inexperienced= she’s dumb, she has no foreign policy experience= she hasn’t spent years smoozing elites in Washington, etc) simply isn’t going to work, it’s going to backfire. But, if they praise her, and point out that it’s a shame she’s not at the top of the ticket, those blue-collar voters will like Obama more, and they’ll remember that, after all, it’s not Palin that’s running for President. In other words, rural and suburban Dems and independents will vote for McCain/Palin if they feel like their culture is under siege, but they’ll vote based on issues if they remember that McCain, a prep-school Navy pilot with no clear connections to the heartland, is really leading the ticket, not Palin.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
11, I do not know if the Kilpatrick connection is anything more than an endorsement. If that’s it, bid deal. Obama has real skeletons in his closet like his friendship with domestic terrorist Ayers and long-time spritual advisor Wright.
As for your assertion that pointing out the connection would be claimed to be racist, I’m not sure they would make the argument but you are right its better safe than sorry.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
#11, ditto.
Also, Obama really doesn’t have much connection with Kirkpatrick. The clips in the youtube are pro forma political stuff.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Umm I swear I saw this ad here in GA on fox last night (DirectTV), if not is was a slightly different version of it.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
If anyone wants a good diversion, take a few minutes to read this article - a bit satirical, but so true…
Tease:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obamas_tattletale_campaign_is.html
September 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
That ad has been playing for 3-5 days here in Youngstown, OH. According to media research, Youngstown, OH, a HUGE Democratic Stronghold that went to Hillary 68-32, is 4th among metro markets for political advertisements!
MCCAIN
PALIN 2008
McCain outnumbers Obama’s ads 2-1.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I agree the Kilpatrick connection is weak at best, but you never know how it will play, especially if he is despised in MI.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
The media and the MSM have definitely had trouble trying to take Palin down a notch. They just have not figured out a way to do it and it is causing them some noticeable grief. It’s a hard sell to attack her experience without inviting examination of Obama’s experience and a feeling of hypocrisy. They have tried to attack her personally and her family and that has back-fired. My sense is they will try to shift gears and praise her personally and her life story but paint her as a “right wing extremist” in her policy views that are really no different then GW Bush. But, I doubt they concede she is a star that outshines McCain. One, it reflects well on McCain that the maverick made such a stunning and brilliant choice. Two, it attracts women to the Republican ticket by reminding them that McCain put a superb women on the ticket and Obama passed one over and instead picked an old grumpy white guy. But, if that is what they are left with then that is really good news for McCain/Palin.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
I’ve been watching this ad for quite some time up here in NH.