Has Sarah Palin gone rogue? It appears so. Do you blame her?
Not only did the McCain campaign botch her roll out, but they failed to defend her on the wardrobe issue, used Russia as the key talking point to sell her foreign policy accreditation and allowed the media and Democratic party to paint her as some right-wing Ghengis Khan.
I remain extremely satisfied that Sarah Palin was chosen as the VP nominee, but if the McCain campaign was unwilling to support Palin as much as Biden has received support from the Obama campaign, then team McCain should have thought twice about the selection. Clearly, the campaign would have not defended Pawlenty over the unfortunate 35W bridge collapse, Romney on his faith and untruths from the primary, or Rudy over his infidelity. All of the potential VP’s would have been left unprotected. In fact, Palin was probably a smaller target than the other, more well known potential VP’s.
It may be the American values I was raise upon, but when you let a friend down you usually display some regret and then attempt to repent. A McCain campaign official(s) decided to take an alternate route. He/she decided to stab that friend in the back. Through anonymous quotes, he/she described Palin as a “whack job” and “diva“, and only after she changed the script at an event.
Forget the fact that this was an unfair statement to make against a teammate, but why would you attack the primary resource for the campaigns fundraising, volunteer recruiting and venue filling, a week before voting day? Let us pray that the name of this operative is made public. It would be a travesty for future GOP Presidential campaigns to have this disloyal and selfish operative on their staff.
“Some aides to Sen. John McCain say they weren’t happy that running mate Sarah Palin went off script Sunday and turned attention back to the controversy over her wardrobe. A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to “bust free” of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.”
From Fox News;
William Kristol; “It is a total disgrace for how the staff has ducked this mistake (clothes), which is not her (Palin) fault.”
Kelly McParland: Palin the rogue is doing the right thing
If Sarah Palin really has stopped listening to advice from her handlers in the McCain campaign, it suggests at least one person in the Republican campaign is thinking rationally.
Politico’s Ben Smith wrote of an emerging “Palin insurgency,” quoting four unnamed Republican insiders who said Ms. Palin blames McCain handlers for her negative image and has “gone rogue.”
No Way to treat a Friend, let Alone a VP
Sen. John McCain’s campaign must have learned playground rules in a federal prison yard. Because theirs is no way to treat a new friend, running mate Sarah Palin. From the time she was so poorly unveiled at the Republican National Convention to her muzzling to “fashion-gate” and now to an anonymous McCain staffer’s charge that Palin’s a “diva,” theirs was a bungled effort that Palin probably realized just a few days into the campaign.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Kristofer, your crush on Palin is starting to rival Andrew Sullivan’s crush on Obama.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Here’s another:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/ooooooh-barracu.html
Choice quote:
October 28th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
David A B, LOL! Hopefully that is the only comparison you make between Sully and I!
October 28th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
I watched the Matrix series again this week, and I loved the fact that the “computer” could delete someone (hint…..#2), literally.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Ahh the victim card, my personal favorite! Yes, John has been a naughty boy. Poor little Sarah.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Big S, at least she is trying to talk to the press.
“The paper suggests “the maverick mom is distancing herself from John McCain and blowing off the advice of senior Republican aides, convinced they’re damaging her reputation and ruining the campaign. Things have gotten so tense between Palin and her traveling staff, an insider said, that she’s overruling their advice – which was evident last week when she ignored GOP aides piling into waiting cars at a Colorado event and strolled over to the press corps for an impromptu talk.”
October 28th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Romneybots who undermine Palin, be warned:
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/oct/28/on-the-romneybot-attacks-against-sarah-palin/
October 28th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Who could be behind these anti-Palin smears?! Who?!
http://spectator.org/archives/2008/10/27/post-defeat-planners
October 28th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Huh. Is that a threat to ban? This post was about reports of palin “going rogue” and I added one blog post that you missed. You presented one side, and I’m presenting the other side – which comes from the McCain campaign as well. I guess I can’t say that you haven’t learned at least something from Governor Palin after all these months of fawning over her.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Newt in ‘12!
October 28th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
October 28th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
#9, I am teasing, I do not have authority to ban. Only destroy credit.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Eric Cantor is running for President.
http://spectator.org/archives/2008/10/27/post-defeat-planners
October 28th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
McCain is an idiot. Seriously. He gets the base fired up to support him because of her, then shoots himself in teh foot with those very people by completely ruining her image with their idiotic decision to keep her from teh press and not defending her when she was attacked.
I really have no reason to vote this time around. I am so dissillusioned with both picks.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Kristofer, would you please take down that huge photo?
October 28th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Here’s is the maddeningly inarticulate Kevin Madden late of the dire and disastrous Romney campaign—the least effective campaign communications in US campaign history, and who now works for Glover Park Group, a Democratic lobbying firm—trashing Gov. Sarah Palin.
Is anyone surprised?
October 28th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Eric Cantor is running for President.
No way! He’ll run for VA Gov. in ‘09 or ‘13 and run from there. He’s a Congressman. He can’t possibly win now, nor would he want to run against an incumbent.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
#15
No don’t, her looks are half the message.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
#8, dont’ see any proof to substantiate many of those claims. Anyway, who cares, if palin and mccain were half as resourceful and competent as mitt they would be winning right now.
what an inept campaign mccain has run. lets hope he gets within a few more points anyway and pulls of a huge upset.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Dotan, playing 7 degrees of seperation with Romney as the Palin-smearer doesn’t quite have any credible ring to it. Out of all of the former primary candidates, Romney has been the most visible in making the case for McCain and Palin.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
No don’t, her looks are half the message.
True.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
#11, That piece did not make McCain look very good.
“Romney re-packaged for 2012″. back to the maxrix….is it possible to give someone an honest bone in their body?
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10833091
October 28th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
#11, That piece did not make McCain look very good.
“Romney re-packaged for 2012″. back to the maxrix….is it possible to give someone an honest bone in their body?
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10833091
October 28th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
#16, are you an idiot. are you seriously saying that madden was the “least effective campaign communications in US campaign history”. Where were you during the primary? That statement is ridiculous. Madden is extremely talents and did an excellent job. Romney lost because he couldn’t connnect with a large part of the voting bloc and because he strayed from his change message to try and be mr. social conservative.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Thinking Person, I deleted it….I had troubles as Aron was in, editing my post.
Yes, Cantor is running.
#21, always a sexist eh? You must be an Obama or Romney supporter?
October 28th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Competence? Romney?! Um, here’s the post-mortem on Romney’s supreme confidence as a campaigner:
http://dotan.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/john-ellis-romney-was-terribly-served-by-his-campaign-staff-and-advisors-i-would-argue-that-they-win-the-worst-campaign-team-of-2008-good-riddance-to-them-they-had-everything-they-needed-to/
What makes you think Romney would have become a better campaigner had he outlasted his more intelligent, more politically adept, and more highly qualified rivals?
October 28th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
“What makes you think Romney would have become a better campaigner had he outlasted his more intelligent, more politically adept, and more highly qualified rivals”
More intelligent…..McCain? don’t make me laugh, seriously.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Kris,
I wasn’t “editing” your post, per se. I’m not sure what you did, but the hyperlink you had under “whack job” and “diva“ brought you to some spyware site. I merely fixed the links, citing the original sources from where the quotes were reported.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,435183,00.html
October 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
I documented lots of Kevin Madden’s goofs, gaffs, pratfalls, moments of disfluency, attempts to botch even the simplest of messages, and naive and transparent lies on my “who is Willard Milton Romney” blog.” Here would be an example of one of Madden’s many attempts to sabotage the good name of Romney:
http://dotan.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/snailspace/
October 28th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Dotan, playing 7 degrees of seperation with Romney as the Palin-smearer doesn’t quite have any credible ring to it. Out of all of the former primary candidates, Romney has been the most visible in making the case for McCain and Palin.
Romney went AWOL after not being chosen as the VP; he was the most visible beforehand. I think that Rudy has been the most visible, post-Palin. Huckabee has been AWOL, Fred has been strong but sporadic, and Ron Paul is, well, Ron Paul.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
#28, you are the contributing editor of R408. I was not complaining.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Yes. McCain is far more intelligent than Romney. But that isn’t saying much. I dug out weeds this morning that are more intelligent than Romney. So what’s your point?
October 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
#21, always a sexist eh? You must be an Obama or Romney supporter?
Now, stop it. Do you honestly think that she’d been chosen if her name were Mark Palin, or if she looked like Janet Reno? She was chosen to A) Fire up the so-con base and B) Appeal to Hillary voters. She is very pretty. Why is it sexist to point that out?
October 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Good thing I didn’t click it!
/paranoid
October 28th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Chief Deputy Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) has made it clear he wants an upgrade in his leadership post.
Like…Minority Leader?
October 28th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
#31, NOT TRUE!
Romney has been in contact with his friends at MA Planned parenthood, trying to dig up votes for McCain.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
#34, what is wrong with you and so many of the other Palin critics. Do you notice that only ugly people attack Palin for her looks? Do not blame her because you are datless. Stick to the issues and leave her along.
I am putting that picture back up.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Chief Rombot Kevin Madden now uses CNN to ladle out Mac Camp dirty laundry.
Interesting that CNN’s Campbell Brown is the wife of Romney foreign policy guru Dan Senor. With friends like these, who needs enemas?
It’s less the varmint huntin’ than the back stabin’ that leaves the lasting impression…
October 28th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
He also set up one of his sons in a Bain Capital redux private equity enterprise, right on the cusp of the entire global credit market—the river of spare and largely borrowed capital from which the hedge funds and private equity firms irrigate themselves—drying up like the surface of Venus. Yet this guy is supposed to be a genius on economic issues. Why didn’t he see this coming a year ago like everyone else did, even me?
I wrote about Romney’s appalling silence on the emerging liquidity crisis and the bottoming out of his own industry precisely a year ago:
http://dotan.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/romney-utterly-silent-on-world-financial-crisis-we-for-one-are-grateful-for-this-oversight/
October 28th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
A Q and A With Nicolle Wallace, Palin’s Chaperone
by Ana Marie Cox
October 28th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
#38
Thanks, all text no photos does not a good Palin post make.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Thanks #41, I am waiting for Thinking person to tell us Am Cox was only hired because she is decent looking.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Thanks #41, I am waiting for Thinking person to tell us Am Cox was only hired because she is decent looking.
It would behoove you to come up with an alternative explanation to your impulses. There are those of us who don’t begin with the assumption that Palin is a goddess.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Folks, I suggest you go over to Hillbuzz and read a comment there by a woman who calls herself sarah p who works currently for the Obama campaign and details everything sinister the Obama campaign and the MSM are capable of. including destroying Sarah Palin. The Obama campaign, as she tells us are on Sarah Palin this 24/7, and she goes on to tell us that the Obama camapign is scared sh**less of her. The reason for the confession: her regrets in following for the patter and persona of Obama and coming to the realization that Obama is only out for himself and not because of his love for America. She says she is voting for John McCain. If you can’t find it in Hiilbuzz go to Draft Sarah Palin for VP under Update: Here’s the CNN interview: under Techno. Again fellows and ladies look at the polls: stop with the periphery issues. With your help John and Sarah are going to win this election.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Could the “Palin going rogue” thing actually have been approved by Team McCain, wink-wink, nod-nod?
October 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
#34, what is wrong with you and so many of the other Palin critics. Do you notice that only ugly people attack Palin for her looks?
So your new retort to me is that I’m ugly. Good job!
October 28th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
#44,
Because Aron Goldman and Rudy are of the same sex, and Aron is hetro, and no one ever accused him viewing Rudy as a goddess (although Rudy looks good in a dress).
Only because palin is female and I male, and hetero, do you assume this.
Thus, again, your sexism is bleeding from your mouth faster than $ from Romney’s pocketbook during the primary season.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
You’re a little thick too. But I’m sure you have a winning personality among the other bunnies in your warren.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
#47,
I do not want to hear any sexism or racism on my posts. You will have to take the unsults, when you make those comments.
#46, interesting point, go further. How do you believe this is a benefit?
October 28th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
insults*
October 28th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I can’t speak for metro. But if true the campaign could (a) play good-cop, bad-cop on various issues, (b) allow the campaign to take a hard line and then distance itself from that line simultaneously, (c) attract interest to the ticket in the same way that the Clinton marriage used to attract interest and speculation, (d) allow McCain to get credit for social conservative views articulated by his running mate even as he reaches out to moderates, independents etc.
The possibilities are interesting. But there would be risks.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
#52, yes very risky. Although metro brings an interesting idea to the table, the “show of unity” we saw today and the post above by Aron, leads me to believe that internal fighting is ongoing.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Uh-oh.
Here’s Douglas Holtz-Eakin (Sooooper Genius!) talking about McCain’s health care plan. This is not what you want to be saying a week before the election – I sense some ads being cooked up by the Obama campaign as we speak:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/28/news/economy/health_care_and_election/?postversion=2008102807
October 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
The only ones inside the McCain campaign who are irked by this are the idiots who are plotting a future if McCain doesn’t win.
I think McCain actually likes this… he said earlier today something to the effect “Well, when you’re a maverick and you pick a maverick – you’re not always going to agree – that’s waht makes this so much fun”
McCain’s ENTIRE team can go jump in a lake for all I care if they don’t end up pulling this off. What a joke that so close to the election some folks feel inclined to be loose lips.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
#55, there are a lot of Political Operatives who were expective high paying lobbyist jobs after the campaign.
Then there is Kevin Madden. Still upset he was not offered a job on the campaign.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Madden should be happy that he has any work at all after the way he tried to derail Team Romney. He’s the Big S of political operatives.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
57 – What did Madden do to Romney? I must have missed that one…?
October 28th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Kevin Madden was the singularly least effective campaign communications director in US campaign history, which is saying a lot. Here is but one of many examples of Madden’s magnificent non-brilliance, drawn at random from a massive pool:
http://dotan.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/romneys-kevin-madden-flabbergasted-at-team-romneys-helplessness-against-under-funded-and-un-organized-gov-huckabee-romney-loses-control-of-his-spending-says-carr-more-on-romneys-fantast/
October 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Here’s former White House Spokesman Jimmy Orr on Romney and 2012
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/10/28/romney-giving-up-on-mccain-or-just-trying-to-raise-money/
October 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
New Rule:
One beauty shot of Palin per week.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
#60, FPP on that link?
October 28th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Aron is the contributing Editor here? I didn’t know that.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Nevermind, I see that in the “about” section.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
#61, that is unfair, there are beauty shots of Jaon Bonham all over the net.
http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/4/7/0/4/20274074-20274077-slarge.jpg
October 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Jason*
October 28th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Dear Dotan,
If I were Mitt Romney (and I am BTW) the last thing I want is to damage Palin. I need her. I want her. I love her.
Why?
She splits Huck’s base in 2012 with herself.
So just think about it, Palin is Romney’s BFF. Therefore, believing Mitt is out to get her is a miscalculation, possibly driven by emotion, or data, but either way, a political miscalculation.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
That Romney and his people are releasing leaks and circulating rumors about Gov. Palin is simply fact. Whether this is a miscalculation or not I am not in a position to rule one way or the other. Bad people sometimes get away with bad things. Just because Romney is a bad person doesn’t mean that he won’t get away with it.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
68. <i.That Romney and his people are releasing leaks and circulating rumors about Gov. Palin is simply fact.
I guess if you have a real loose standard of fact perhaps.
That Madden is, is simple fact. The rest is hearsay, with no one implicating Romney directly beyond yourself.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
#67, do not be too sure. Palin might compete with Romney, not Huckabee. Palin and Romney will fight over grassroots activists.
Of course, that will end when romney loses NH again.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
68. That Romney and his people are releasing leaks and circulating rumors about Gov. Palin is simply fact.
I guess if you have a real loose standard of fact perhaps.
That Madden is, is simple fact. The rest is hearsay, with no one implicating Romney directly beyond yourself.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
“”Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won’t be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,” says one former Romney aide, now working for McCain-Palin. “The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney. He’s in charge on November 5th.”
American Spectator.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
kris,
I wasn’t serious you should take that down. I should have put a smiley.
Keep posting them, she’s easy on the eyes.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
#73, I was not the one who took it down.
You know Mitt is easy on the eyes as well, especially the hair.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
kris-
Hearsay until we have a source. This could be some regional field director or some low level guy.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
mitts easy on the hair?
October 28th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
#75, I understand the Amerspec. are not fans of Romney.
#76, yes, I would love to know what hair products he uses.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
I become more and more sick of Kristofer’s posts with each one that he puts out. This election is not just about Sarah Palin. I want McCain to win very badly. Palin on the ticket makes me much more enthusiastic about the ticket. I don’t know if she has “gone rogue” or not, but if she has I think it would be a terrible shame because it would certainly hurt the GOP chances this year. What I do know is that your obsession with her is a little over the top. McCain is the candidate, not Palin. She would would not be anything on the national scale if it were not for McCain selecting her.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
78.
Nate, the consensus, and I don’t blame Kristopher at all, is that McCain is done, the election is over, and time to salvage Palin so she is still electable after next week.
I think the recent poll from Newsweek shows she is in tough shape if she wants to win.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
#78, Thank you.
So….will you support Sarah in 2012?
October 28th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
“Palin Calls for Stevens to Resign from Senate”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-calls-for.html
October 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
80. No. Sorry, not my style of candidate. But, I would be doing the same thing in your shoes.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
#78, Nate;
So….will you support Sarah in 2012?
October 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
#82, If McCain does not win, I bleieve it will be MR and SP fighting it out in 4 years. What are your thoughts?
October 28th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Boy, I can’t fathom. Plus my opinions are so biased, I don’t dare guess right now.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
#85, maybe I should make that the “Question of the Week” next week. A Straw Poll on 2012?
October 28th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
I will say this…
No one reads the Prowler, or American spectator, or Redstate or most of this. So I really don’t care too much about what Prowler thinks. I used to. I obsessed over it for 3 years, until I started to read it in context of the generals and realized that 95% is pointless fodder. Those sites are cliquish places for bloggers, not news outlets with high audiences.
The public has in general, created a strong brand identity for Romney, Palin, and Huckabee. I don’t think they care about what Kevin Madden said or some dumb staffer. Those things will matter with lesser knowns like Jindal and Cantor should they run.
In the last cycle MMM was an important voice, we actually accomplished a lot, and I think made a small contribution. This election, it will mean very little, and Romney will live and die according to Fox News and maybe a larger establishment rag like National Review.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I obsessed over it for 3 years,
It means the conservative blogosphere.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
The prowler is hardly what I would call reliable in his information
October 28th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
87 – I agree to a point, but I believe the indy media is growing in influence and readership. I agree NR and Fox are important, I also believe the influence of TWS, WSJ and emerging Conservative blogs will play a key role in deciding 2012.
Thus, I ignored the Newsweek poll.
I also believe 2012 begins next Wednesday, and we will be looking at the first 4 year campaign. McCain ran a 4 year campaign this cycle, but he was the only candidate to do so.
This upcoming cycle, we will see at least 4 candidates launch (underground) their campaigns in November 2008.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Also, the American Spectator subscriptions are with key Conservative demographics.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Kristofer-
I will support her if she ends up being the nominee and I wouldn’t be vastly opposed to that. But if you checked my URL it is planetromney.org (romney blog aggregator). I am firmly in camp Romney, meaning I believe him to be the best qualified. I would also be happy with Jindal, Palin, and Pawlenty, in that order. I’m very much opposed to a Huckabee ticket, though I would support it if he became the nominee, just as I do support McCain now though I’ve never thought of him as the ideal candidate.
I think Palin was an excellent choice for VP. She has credentials. But I personally think she was picked to draw off Hillary supporters. In effect I think she was picked for the wrong reason, but still a net positive for the ticket. It made me a lot more enthusiastic.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Why would you ignore the only poll that asks the question you want to define.
IT seems like it gives a reality check. I am not saying those numbers are set in stone, but you could draw from it that Palin acting like the heir apparent will make her look more foolish. I mean those numbers mean something.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
91. Yeah, but the prowler is online, and the average voter is not reading it.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Kris – tone it down on the anti-Romney rhetoric or else we aren’t friends any more.
One Dotan is bad enough.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Damn it!!!
Too many F’ing polls clogging all of the good posts, debates, and conversations.
This poll dumps are the most annoying part of this site. Plain and simple.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Roger that Ray. On both accounts.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Seeing Dotan’s one-person quest to destroy Romney makes me want to play along by creating a bot that replies to every Dotan post with something like “Dotan is a jerk AND an idiot.”
Unfortunately, I’m not a programmer AND I wouldn’t want to screw Kavon over like that.
Frankly, Kavon’s website is a lot less attractive with people running around on one-person quests.
Dotan, join the group in trying to get McCain and Palin elected or I’ll start calling you a troll and requesting you get banned. Well, at least most of the group is trying to get McCain and Palin elected.
The numerous polls do suck.