Romney supporter and head of Utah Lawyers for McCain, Kirk Jowers;
“Palin has not distinguished herself as a competent vice presidential candidate, and that is going to be a heavy anchor to drag into 2012.”
Romney friend and confidant, Kevin Madden;
“Look, that is why people who have done this before, people who have run national campaigns, always tend to look at prospective V.P. candidates, and they’re the ones that are nationally vetted, the ones that have been governors on the scene for a long time, the ones that have been — gone through the scrutiny of the national press corps in Washington.”
The American Spectator quoting Romney staffers;
“Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won’t be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,” says one former Romney aide, now working for McCain-Palin. “The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney. He’s in charge on November 5th.”
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Recently, an influential conservative blogger (name withheld) outlined for me the reasons why the Romney 2008 campaign faltered. One factor was the ”go nuclear” approach the campaign took with the competing GOP candidates. The Romney campaign angered supporters of the other candidates to such a degree that their second choice for nominee was, “anyone but Romney”.
I had expected that the CEO of the SLC Olympics had learned from the mistakes of his campaign, but history seems to be repeating itself. Romney has never ceased his campaign for President of the United States and although he has campaigned hard for John McCain, it appears as if this display of teamwork has been entirely for self-promoting reasons. Romney and his supporters are now targeting their only serious 2012 challenger, Governor Sarah Palin.
Unlike the Bush campaign of 2000, John McCain 2008 and his PAC supporters have reached out their hand, to include/employ Romney campaign operatives and family members in the Presidential campaign. The actions of team Romney are not becoming of appreciative Republicans and present a lack of altruism and loyalty to the grassroots of the party.
To secure the 2012 nomination, Mitt Romney requires a significant percentage of registered Republicans and conservative activists to forget his poorly managed and anger/blame driven 2008 campaign. This obvious logic has not been grasped by the Mittens2012 crew, as instead of allowing these voters and activists to forgive and forget, they seem determined to remind them of the depraved and feculent politiking the Romney clan is known for.
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Fred Thompson smears traced back to Mitt Romney
October 29th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Like school in the summer… No class.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
I understand your concern, but I think this is inappropriate. We still have some former Romney supporters, all of whom are dedicated McCain/Palin voters. No need to anger them without cause. Anyway, I continue to think that Romney got a terribly unfair rap in the primary for supposedly “going nuclear”. All of Romney’s ads dealt with issues and were rarely distorting; they were certainly less negative then the ads McCain and Obama are running. Romney never ran anything remotely as “negative” as McCain’s wacky “WHO IS THIS GUY?”, “TELL THE TRUTH BARACK”, grainy images and shaky camera ads.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Blah -everybody understands tat the bitterest foes come from not your opposition guy but the guy /gal you just beat from your own side.
Hillary is not happy either . She turns up.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Aside from Jason and Brun, my faith in many of the commentators is low. Read their posts and criticism of mcpalin.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Wow, you really have an ax to grind! I take it you forget how cordial Romney was when he suspended his campaign and how many people who were not Romney supporters said the way he did it showed a lot of class. He worked hard for McCain and campaigned for him with more zeal and effort than probably any other former candidate. It’s unfortunate that use comments of a few people that supported Mitt as evidence that Mitt “didn’t learn his lesson”. And one of them is supposedly from someone working for the McCain campaign? Give me a break.
I was a former Romney supporter and I am behind McCain. My gut tells me he won’t win, but that’s just my analysis of the situation. I don’t care about 2012 at this point. I think Republicans will be well positioned, and may the best man/woman win.
I’m sorry you can’t see past your hate to a man who has graciously stepped out of this race when it was clear he wouldn’t win and then worked hard to support McCain. Sad.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Romney supporters have always been Massholes so no surprise that many of the RINO Massholes such as Gov. Weld is betraying his party in supporting Obama. Whatever happens to Gov. Palin after this election, the Rombots disgusting treachery against the Republican Party has turned me into a committed anti-Romney Republican. A B R anyone but Romney.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Did this thread just show up about 12 months late or what?
Five days away from voting in a new President, get over it!
October 29th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
I do not hate romney, but he needs to tell his boys to shut up. If his campaign were run by Bonham, he would have much more respect.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Reagan’s 11th Commandment: “Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican.”
I understand Romney has some die hard supporters, but we are trying to freaking an election assholes! Shut your mouth and work to get a Republican in the White House. The race for your guy is over.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
#7 exactly my point, 5 days before voting and I have to watch and read this baloney from mitt’s guys!
October 29th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
What the hell? Lets focus on the election…that is in like less than a WEEK!
This is not what I want to see when i come to race42008! that is a blatant attack on a man that is not even running at this moment. We have an ELECTION to discuss, not a bash on some dude that we won’t even see for another four years.
But I get it. I know how much you love Palin. (who doesn’t at this point, excluding the media
) And I know you want to see her run in 2012. Mitt is her biggest threat ,so you figure why not start the Romney bashing NOW. Nice try.
Your one of a kind.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Palin is a much better VP pick than any of the others. She is a natural politician with great instincts. I look forward to seeing a lot more of her in the next 4 years. If McCain wins and she becomes VP, in 4 years I think she will equal Romney as far as knowledge of national and international issues and I would support her as president. It also doesn’t hurt that her favorite issue, energy independence is my own.
That being said, I think absent Palin, Romney is the best candidate for 2012. But I think digging up nasty posts about Romney at this stage is not helpful in getting McCain elected president. Wait till 2010 and you can start digging up all the dirt you want.
I would rather emphasize the disaster of an Obama presidency staring us in the face and do all you can to get everyone united and on board rather than uncovering old wounds.
Remember Kris, if you don’t forgive other people their sins, your Heavenly Father won’t forgive your sins either.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Ah yes the Romneybots are coming out again. You all wondered why we anti-Romneyites couldn’t stand the man. The answer is staring at you in the mirror. If you all were are a little less smug, had a little less of a sore attitude, and a little less entitled, then maybe the rest of us would be a little less critical of Gov. Romney.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
#10 Grow some skin!
Romney has been extremely supportive of McCain/Palin. How do you expect Romney to controle what some of his staff might say? This isn’t even an issue.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Good grief. I don’t really see what Romney has to do with this. This is like blaming Obama or McCain for their idiot supporters and the dumb things they say and do.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Let’s focus on McCain beating Obama in 08.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
13- Point the finger right back at your self buddy-
Ah yes the “anti-Romneyites” are coming out again. You wondered why we couldn’t stand the irrational attacks on him. The answer is staring at you in the mirror. If you all were are a little less smug, had a little less of a sore attitude, and get over your hatred, then maybe the we would be a little less critical of anti-romneyites.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
I am finding it difficult removing the image of Campbell Brown and Kevin Madden laughing and trashing Palin, out of my mind. What happened this past weekend is wrong and mitt needs to reign his boys in.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Hey Kristopher, if I say that Palin isn’t deity incarnate, will you track me down and burn my house to the ground?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:01 am
On the plus side, Romney didn’t exactly prove he had legions of support in the primaries, and the true bitter-enders (think of stranded Japanese soldiers jumping out of jungles in their underwear on a banzai attack 40 years after the war) can only be a fraction of that group. Since half of those bitter enders happen to be contributors here, it is easy to over emphasis their numbers. I think the hard core group that wants to sabotage McCain is small and impotent, as they will be in 2012 as well.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:02 am
…but it is good to see that most Rombots here support McCain, even if they do hedge the future by trashing Palin.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:03 am
I’ve gotta agree that wrong as it is what those supporters are doing, the best way to handle it isn’t a referendum on Romney’s integrity. They’re out of line and have no place to make those remarks, not now, and are a poor reflection on themselves – even then, it doesn’t warrant their condemnation. Let’s hope, for our sake and for theirs, that they can it for now. It’s destructive to a much more important cause.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Kristofer,
I hope this ridiculous post soothed your soul. Why don’t you talk about real news instead of this garbage. Let’s be clear how weak your argument is. (Let’s ignore the weak arguments from the primary and save them for another day)
- Madden doesn’t work for Romney anymore and Romney has no control over him.
- A lawyer who supported Romney doesn’t like Palin in 2012. Since 80% of the party wants someone else in 2012 and ~ 1/3 of the party supported Romney in the primaries I’m not surprised there is overlap. I’m not a Palin supporter in 2012 either so I guess you can add me to your list since I donated $100 to Romney and only $50 to McCain (after he picked Palin by the way).
- An online magazine that is anti-Romney posts an anti-Romney story citing an unnamed source. Maybe a more logical conclusion is these pro-Palin people are trying to destroy some of the credibility that Romney gained at CPAC and over the last 7 months by campaigning vigorously for McCain.
Here is what Romney has been doing
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGU0ODkzNGVjZTA3ZjQ0OTkxNmUxNzc5YWQ5ZTQ2N2Q=
October 30th, 2008 at 12:06 am
it’s possible to say bad things about palin, without having ulterior motives. she sucks as a VP, if the goal was to beat obama. she has been a drag on the ticket. just because a few people got REALLY excited about her, doesn’t mean she was a good pick. the point is to get a lot of people kind of excited. and if you’re on here and you want to say she’s awesome, i’d love to hear anything that isn’t identity based. i don’t care that she has a special needs child. thats great, but not relevant to being VP. in any event, romney got a bad rap for being the ‘negative’ guy. huckabee was brutal, and slimy, and mccain used his “i’m a patriot, you’re not” crap with the timetable nonsense. he tried it with obama, and if you look at the electoral college maps, it hasnt worked so well. maybe romney is just trying to save the party from becoming the know-nothing, dinosaurs didn’t exist party in 2012.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:08 am
I encourage everyone to take a look at the “Fred Thompson Smears Traced Back to Mitt Romney Link” and note a few things as I did:
1) Novak’s comments are unsourced, and the sources are unnamed, meaning we can’t followup on any of the accusations.
2) Novak’s comments are passive voice. He says “reports . . . have been traced” to Romney’s campaign, but doesn’t say by who. Once again, we can’t follow up to see who is reporting this.
3) Novak says the reports were traced “in part” to Romney’s campaign, but doesn’t discuss what the other sources were. If the reports have sources outside of the Romney campaign, they obviously were not generated BY the Romney campaign.
4) Novak’s report is dated January 5th. Thompson withdrew from the race on the 22nd, after the SC primary, and endorsed McCain on Feb 8th, after Romney dropped out and the race was essentially decided. So the reports were, in fact, correct.
5) The word smear in the title of the link was added by Kristofer. It does not appear in Novak’s piece. Novak does, however, mention that Thompson’s campaign is “out of money” which is a good sign the campaign won’t be continuing much longer. This means that these supposed smears had a solid basis at the time (as well as being proved 100% correct).
6) The title of the post “Will Romney and his supporters ever learn?” (emphasis mine) suggests that Romney himself is engaging the Palin bashing, but post itself only has quotes from the supporters.
I didn’t bother to follow the other links, for what I hope are obvious reasons.
My point is this: take a deep breath. Remember that the primaries are long over, and that the general election is in five days. Anti-Palin comments piss me off, especially from GOPers, but your attempt to escalate is ridiculous.
2012 is four years away. 2008 is five days away.
Please try to stay focused.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:19 am
19 fred, ever walk out of a bar in Lima at 3:00am and your only options for “company” are a one legged woman and a hooker named Hugo? I care more about what they say. Keep your house.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Holy cow… I’ve been a Romney supporter since Dec ‘04
The day McCain announced Palin I spent 2 hours reading up on her.
I was pleased with his choice, saw the political benefits as well as the message it sent about reform.
I immediately donated to McCain – I hadn’t planned on it, got my bumper stickers, yard signs – the whole works.
This noise needs to stop.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Dudes, Barry is unable to pronounce the letter Z! I’m serious, listen to him talk.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:28 am
There’s a time for this, Kristofer. It isn’t now.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:29 am
You know, we could spare ourselves a lot of infighting and digging up old skeletons by just nominating Petraeus in 2012 and calling it good.
-Not bound to old political lines – free to stake out new heights while defending the best of the traditional policies. Will easily have strong centrist appeal.
-Executive experience: bridging partisan divides (they typically don’t blow each other up over here), managing homeland security (harder when your homeland is fighting its own security forces), and facing down the Congressional Democrats (kind of like facing Chavez, you just have to realize that they are stuffed animals at heart).
America’s place in the world is still going to be very much in question if Obama is president. With Petraeus at the helm, there will be no doubt. Conservatives and independents would naturally unite behind him.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:34 am
this post is increidbly f’in stupid. i’ll break down a few reasons why:
1) palin herself has criticized the mccain camp, over the wardrobe-gate
2) the mccain camp has criticized palin in the exact same way. so are they just as bad as romney?
3) romney himself never said anything
4) palin was an affirmative action pick. she would never have been picked were she not a woman. i dare anyone to challenge that.
5) is it wrong to criticize any potential 2012 nominee? including romney himself?
6) palin is a lightweight. saying so doesnt make you a traitor.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Yes Mitt Romney is the antichrist and all wrongdoing is directly his fault. Good lord, it’s like liberals with Bush…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:38 am
31~ the fourth point you made proved my point.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:40 am
McCain better win. I don’t think I can take 4 straight years of arguing about Mitt Romney.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:46 am
please, tell me palin would have been picked if she was john palin. never in a million years. just like george w. bush wouldn’t been much of anything if he was george smith.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:48 am
same could be said about mitt by the way. but lets not pretend that palin is some accomplished politican. shes a hot mom with a nice story, and she appeals to a certain segment of the population
October 30th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Who wrote this? Kristofer? This is balderdash. Sounds like a Huckabee supporter offering pre-emptive insults, distortions, and half-truths. The primary was over a long time ago. Get over it, your guy lost. It makes you look rather small to be such a sore loser as to keep attacking at a time we should be uniting.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:53 am
she’s an appealing broad, but she does not have broad appeal. it will be four more years of hearing about mitt. interestingly, i dont think his initial hard core supporters will be that excited, as he turned out to be a pretty run of the mill politician. however, i think he will get the broad support he previously lacked, because he is a run of the mill politician. also, i think the mormon angle will be played out, and less of an issue, especially as the born agains that are trying to run the GOP realize they have less and less power.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:55 am
If we lose it’s cause half the good guys are evil and all the evil guys are evil. Republicanism is a divided house. We need one party for good people, one for sellouts who aren’t communists, and, well, the Democrats, who really are just communists and their herd of dependents.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:57 am
38, do you hate everything that ovulates?
October 30th, 2008 at 1:02 am
i love women. but as a republican, surely you think people should be judged on their qualifications. how can we be the party that opposes race and gender based affirmative action, and then we pick our vp based on her gender? why are you attacking a legitimate point with a nonsenical question?
October 30th, 2008 at 1:03 am
What a worthless thread this was.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:04 am
Romney distances himself from Madden’s comments:
Eric Ferhnstrom, Romney’s spokesman:
“As you point out, Madden’s his own man. He’s a good guy, but his opinions are his own. Mitt Romney and his entire team at the PAC have been supportive of the McCain-Palin ticket – we’ve raised tons of money, done 20 surrogate events around the country, and countless media interviews both local and national as requested. To imply that Governor Romney has been anything but supportive is untrue and unfair.”
October 30th, 2008 at 1:06 am
By “sellouts who aren’t commies” I mean RINO populists like Huckabee who would sell their own mother for votes and fawning followers. These mormon-haters have no souls. I hope they all get drummed out into the fringes of influence forever by an awakened populace who will someday blame them for why we had to live through 4 years of Obamanation before we woke up and put Romney in the White House.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:13 am
people round here dont like romney cuz he p0wned everyone. he knocked out rudy. huck couldn’t hang, and tried to fool w/ michigan. the lazy fred tag they stuck on him worked. one by one they all bailed. till the only person left was the guy that everyone had heard of. mccain limped across the finish line. romney almost took on a whole field. impressive. i dont think hes worried about little old palin.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:18 am
#45:
hahahahahahahahahahahaha. I’m sorry but that takes the cake for the most absurd statement ever made on this blog. “McCain limped across the finish line” He crushed Romney on Super Tuesday, beat him in his own backyard of NH and carried every state in the Northeast except for Massachusetts and Maine (which had a convention instead of a primary). Romney won 3 primaries, all of which were states where he had a special niche. No other Primary (not caucus) went to Romney. Some juggernaut.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:21 am
45.
As a Romney supporter please think before you type. What battle are you trying to fight? Palin is a great conservative. Go throw your stones somewhere else.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:22 am
this site has always suffered from romney derangement syndrome. let me get this straight: your president and his non accountability / fiscal and international recklesness has done huge damage to the party. you are about to lose a historical landslide loss to a unexperienced black man. you are about to lose huge majorities in congress and filabuster majority in the senate. your party is in total shambles, and you are worried that a couple of guys who used to work for a guy who lost the primaries said some somewhat not nice things about the VP and her chances on 2012?
October 30th, 2008 at 1:23 am
People, please. Kristofer, I blame you for starting this mess. There’s no reason to attack Romney over this. Romney has put more resources and time than any other former candidate into helping Republicans and McCain get elected this cycle. Romney wants to see McCain/Palin elected, and so do all of us former Romney supporters. The very vast majority of former Romney supporters are supporting McCain/Palin and hope that ticket wins.
There’s no reason to fight this out now. Yes, things look bleak for Republicans now, but it doesn’t matter. There’s no reason to start bringing this crap up and blaming Romney for it. I’m glad Romney’s secretary issued a statement of where he stands. That should put this issue to rest: “To imply that Governor Romney has been anything but supportive [of McCain/Palin] is untrue and unfair.”
When it comes to 2012, I have no idea who I will support. I don’t even want to think about it right now.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:29 am
McCain-Palin 08
Period. Enough said.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:31 am
please dont make this site turn into eyeon08.com
that was the single worst site the interwebs has ever seen. soren dayton ran a terrible site, that was just a mitt attack site. of course now we know he is a mccain hack, but at the time he was pretending to be neutral. what a knob. that was a terrible web page, and i hope race42008 does not sink to that.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:33 am
29, I agree with you Kristofer should know better. (Political Etiquette) Romney was in my state a few weeks ago helping with the race to defeat the Dems. He said his main goal was to help McCain defeat Obama, as Obama would detroy America as we know it in 4 years and it would take a generation to rebuild. He was very positive about Palin, commenting she has more ex experience than either Obama or Biden but the press refuses to report it. Romney can’t control every comment from everyone he has ever worked with…Heck…. McCain can’t control every comment Palin makes. Get over it…move on. IF YOU HANG ON EVERY WORD OF EVERY INTERVIEW (especially CNN) AND TRY TO DETERMINE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT…. THE MEDIA HAS YOU RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT YOU……..YOU WILL GO MAD. Let’s worry about Nov 4!!!!!
October 30th, 2008 at 1:37 am
Firstly, any Romney supporter who 2nd guesses or talks smack about our current nominees is out of line. period. Same goes for every other supporter who participates in the circular firing squad.
Secondly, complaining about these statements and trying to link it directly to Romney is a tenuous connection at best given his impressive track record at supporting McCain and Palin for the majority of this year.
Thirdly, lets stop shooting our mouths off and do something qualitative on the ground. Call up the local RNC office. Donate time at a phone bank. Go canvassing. Don’t blog until after 9 pm. Use your daylight hours wisely being on the ground committing and persuading real live people to vote instead of fanning flame wars on the internet.
It sickens me that people are already throwing in the towel. But it also disturbs me that Kristofer is still nursing his petty grudges here on the front page.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:45 am
Mitt has more class than anyone.
None of these comments come from Mitt, but guess what, they’re all 100% correct.
Palin has been an unmitigated disaster and the fact that some of you can’t see this obvious fact doesn’t make it any less true.
I bet Palin doesn’t even get in the ring with Romney because she knows if she does she won’t win a single state and will have even less of a future than she does now. She will (would) be the Rudy of the next election cycle mark my words.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:46 am
Kristofer, You need to pick your battles, and BTW I say this as someone who supported McCain in the primary. So some people who were connected to Romney trashed the ticket, 1 we don’t know if they did at Romney’s command, 2 even if they did your post isn’t doing anything but stirring up division 5 days before the election. Former Romney supporters may have fired the first shots, however, firing back is going to cause more harm than good. This fire would just burn out if people like you wouldn’t desperately be trying to bring it to life.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:49 am
39, the Democrats will win every time and in the long run it would be very, very degrading to our society, though fundamental structures in place thankfully make this almost impossible. “Sellouts” aka moderate or liberal Republicans, independents, libertarians, and even the liberal and leftist Democrats themselves must be as much a part of our party (even though we can’t and shouldn’t please everyone). Its worth our time to propel good ideas and standards that a good majority can agree on, and very healthy for our republic. Its good to be right and true and this must always be our aim, but if we learned anything from recent conservative government, versus Reagan-era conservatism, it is that hubris and self-righteousness too often corrupt, our virtues become ends unto themselves rather than tools to a greater purpose, and thanks to precisely to the strength of American traditions which all Americans live with, never easily modified, are dashed in their perversion. Conservatism as a movement struggles now precisely because it has failed to be conservative while simultaneously refusing to be liberal. Hence McCain is having to work so hard at restoring value to the movement that has lost so much. He has been, in some ways, successful, and we can only hope for further progress in renewing principle as our party aim.
While pursuing good ideals we can never forget the traditions, laws, and obligations to society based foremost in our constitution that point our American republic to what the founding fathers intended – “securing the public good”. That is, IMO, what it means to be a conservative. By being exclusive and self-righteous in our beliefs, inconsiderate of society at-large, we – good as we might be at heart – are inevitably the victims of our pride and its corruption.
It is good to be right, even if most don’t agree with you. But if most don’t agree with you, you had better be right and well-reasoned in your belief, to boot.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:07 am
Well I just lost a lot of respect for you. I support McCain. I like Palin and am excited to see what she can do.
I’m still voting for Romney in 2012.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:07 am
conservatism is more important than the GOP and part of that is being honest. honest about things like: spending a trillion dollars and quarter million soldiers to iraq was not a good idea in hindsight. sarah palin was not the best choice in hindsight. etc.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:16 am
Yeah, that’s the way things fall, unfortunately. The only thing we can do is, as the old adage would tell us, take the lemon and make lemonade. Palin is still a very valuable running mate who fires up crowds particularly in conservative regions and relieves some of McCain’s workload. She can run conventional talking points just fine, not to mention connect with some of the voters that we really need to reach in order to win.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:21 am
Yeah, this post was just as incindiary as the post that got Alex Knepper booted.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:37 am
“What Is Romney Doing?” [http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGU0ODkzNGVjZTA3ZjQ0OTkxNmUxNzc5YWQ5ZTQ2N2Q=&w=MA==]
Oh, and Kristofer Lorelli is an idiot.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:47 am
#38: ’she’s an appealing broad, but she does not have broad appeal’; what you are doing is echoing the same mantra as the MSM claiming she is driving away more voters than she is roping in. If this is so, how can McCain be only 3 points back in 4 separate polls yesterday, within the MOE, and only down a field goal with only 5 minutes left to go in the 4th quarter when all the political variables by any objective standard should be against McCain: a very unpopular 2 term Republican president and administration, the worst financial meltdown in 70 years, a charismatic Democratic presidential nominee, the MSM completely in the tank for Obama, Obama able to out spend McCain by a 5-1 margin, rampant voter fraud and intimidation, Democrats in the House and Senate poised to make huge gains according to pundits, etc etc.? The answer my friend is that Sarah Palin sells out venues whereever she travels and generates a tremendous amount of excitement and buzz. There is no way that McCain would still be this close to Obama if he had picked any one else from the Republican Party, male or female. With the logic you offer, I guess no female would ever be worthy of being on a national ticket; the woman would only be ‘an appealing broad to you.’ I made this point on another blog before Sarah Palin was selected that with the circumstances of Obama not vetting Hillary for VP and instead choosing Biden, in turn alienating millions of PUMA’s, if McCain did not place a woman on the Republican ticket in 2008, when would a woman again ever be deemed worthy enough to be considered for national office?
October 30th, 2008 at 3:03 am
I would say Kristofer missed this one in a big way.
Based on the number of interviews of Mitt over the last few months for McCain, and based on the number of events he has done for the republicans, John would hate to lose his help. Mitt has been all over the place supporting the republican races all over the country.
Regardless of suspicion of motive, there is no doubt he has been instrumental in helping John’s campaign. Kristofer, if you would like to ask Mitt to stop due to your articles perception of his motive, go ahead. Turn off one of McCains strongest voices right now. That makes a lot of sense when we are fighting for the country right now to keep Obama out.
I recommend re-posting another article that lists the top Republicans fighting for our tickets path. We need them all and we don’t need infighting.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:32 am
Kris has jumped the shark here in a big way.
How can front pagers get away with this type of crap?
This is 10 times worse than anything Alex K said and you dismissed him unmercisively.
Don’t worry about a fund-raising drive Kaavon. You won’t need a race42012 as you will soon as no viewers anyway if this type of post is allowed.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:47 am
Ugg.
I was never a Romney fan. I was never (and still am not) a Palin fan. But this is the most immature and unnecessary crap to be bringing up right now.
I think McCain/Palin will likely go down in flames. And the thought of Obama w/ a Dem Congress terrifies me. So be raising these petty gripes about a few Romney camp-member quotes (and not from Romney himself) is akin to yelling at the kids who scratched your mailbox with their car, while your house is burning to the ground behind you.
Kris, grow up. This is a really, really lame thread to have kicked off, especially right now….
October 30th, 2008 at 4:30 am
Heath:
I am sure glad most people in the Romney camp in my own county are not as anti-Palin as you. We will win my Blue/Purple county finally along with Ohio because people here in my county who once supported Mr. Romney, Mr. Huckabee, Mr. Thompson, Mr. Guiliani and even Dr. Paul all love Mrs. Palin (gender or no gender.) Speaking anti-Palin trash is no way to win the election.
Some people in the Romney (and other camps) should come here to learn what it means to unite behind our ticket. Many people in the Romnet camp in my county said during the primary that they would vote for Mr. Obama if Mr. Romney did not win, but they have not talked this non-sense since Mrs. Palin came on the ticket.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:43 am
I gave Palin a shot and I have been unimpressed. It is simply a fact that Palin does stick to talking points on the stump. She doesn’t develop her ideas well and it’s obvious that she doesn’t have a firm grasp of national issues. She most certainly has not won over voters in the center. That’s an undeniable fact. She has the lowest net favorables of any of the four contenders. Part of it can be attributed to the McCain campaign’s ineptitude in rolling her out. Part of it, no doubt, is a hostile media. But part of it, if you Palin supporters are honest with yourself, is that she appeals to so-cons and not too many other people. I have no doubt that people on the losing end of the Schiavo argument would give Palin tremendous approval ratings – but it’s just not enough.
Republicans have to stop with this urban versus rural game they have been playing since 1968. It’s had diminishing returns over the last twenty years. There has definitely been a blowback and when Republicans overtly or by implication dismiss every area of the country as “out of touch” that doesn’t vote for our candidates – like we have for decades – it only worsens the problem. When Palin acts like Joe Six Pack knows all and anyone who doesn’t bow down to him is an out of touch elitist (and she does act that way), it comes across as a great big giant “F*ck you” to anyone in Suburban America with an associate’s degree or higher. The suburbs used to be split evenly between Democrats and Republicans but not anymore. There’s a culture war all right – and the GOP is losing it. We’re behind in Virginia. When we lose VA – we’ve got a suburban problem. Guess what? Palin is making it worse.
As for this post, I find it utterly ridiculous. I couldn’t stand Romney and I couldn’t stand his tactics during the primary. I eventually came around to accepting him when he worked tirelessly for McCain. Romney didn’t say this and he shouldn’t be responsible for the words of others. It’s not a federal crime to point out Palin’s failings – and there are plenty. She IS a lightweight on the national stage – even though I think she has been an effective AK governor. She needs to bring herself up to speed – or she needs to go away for 2012. Right now I am not at all impressed.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:54 am
Bravo!
Comment of the day (night?), IMO.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:41 am
You’re a jerk Kris! Nobody has done more for McCain than Mitt Romney, in spite of him being the obvious choice for VP. These things you are citing aren’t half as bad as I see on the Huckabee show nearly everytime I watch it, and its by Huck himself, not somebody with no name that somebody supposedly hears and supposedly quotes. What Madden says is nothing I haven’t heard from scores of other people from other campaigns.
October 30th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Kris,
You are an ass. Have you considered we have an election in 5 days? It this how you intend to win it, picking internal GOP fights? Obama could not do a better job of splitting the GOP than this if he wanted.
October 30th, 2008 at 6:53 am
HUCKABEE ON FOX July 29 2008:
“Frankly, I thought he looked more like Bob Dole in the last days of the 1996 campaign saying ‘look at the record, look at the record,’ and there was some anger and sense of frustration”
Please, get real. Romney is the one helping while Huck shoots McCain down as an angry Bob Dole.
October 30th, 2008 at 7:01 am
I have been more of a reader than commenter but I now have to speak up and say race42008 is offensive and absurd. The timing and relevance of this garbage could not possibly be worse.
October 30th, 2008 at 7:23 am
This is a stupid post. Kavon, this reflects very poorly on your site.
October 30th, 2008 at 7:31 am
So will it be a crime to be less than enthusiastic about Romney if he’s the nominess in 2012 huh? Will all criticism of him be
censored? Will supporters of all the other candidates have to endure frontpage assaults if they don’t “fall in line” and worship
the ground Mitt walks on? I assume that your standard will extend to that scenario right Kristopher? Geesh, I still can’t get over
how loony this post is 4 days out of an election. Maybe it was that Newsweek poll that had Romney overwhlemingly as the
frontrunner for the nomination that has sent Kristopher over the edge. Maybe it’s him that is really the “trash talker”.
October 30th, 2008 at 7:48 am
If Mr. Romney is the nominee in 2012, I will support him as long as I don’t find out that he and his camp have been sabotaging Mrs. Palin.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Well rest assured that Romney who historically has probably done more for the nominee in terms of fundraising, hitting the
networks, stumping in critical swing states and heaping praise on the man who despises him, is not interested in undoing all that
goodwill. People who want to hate Romney will. Nothing he does or doesn’t do will change that.
And another thing, the main reason I like Palin so much is that she’s tough and perfectly capable of defending herself. By
bloggers going around whining about her critics and trying to censor or shut down discussion about legitimate concerns is that
it makes her appear weak. Palin can answer her own critics. This “refiner’s fire” should be welcomed by her supporters because
it will only make her a stronger candidate in 2012. The reason Romney is becoming a stronger nominee everyday is because
he’s taking all the criticism to heart, rather than dismissing it. You won’t see him making the same rookie mistakes he made
the last go around.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:29 am
HA!, If I had written about Huckabee, you rombots would be giving me a virtual high-five instead of asking me to resign. LOL!
#63 Heath, you have been one of those rombots trying to damage the 2008 McCain campaign, and we all know you would never give a penny to Nikrad. You have nothing left after you wrote all those post dated cheques for Mitt2012.
It is great to see all the old rombots back from the Utah Salt Flats. We thought that we had lost you’all.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:31 am
well it appears as if I am not the only one seeing this. Townhall wrote about it last night.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2118686/posts
October 30th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Kristopher, your fellow contributors think this post was inappropriate. Does this mean anything to you?
October 30th, 2008 at 8:47 am
I would caution you about one thing Kristofer, I am not happy eitherabout some characteras in the Romney camp trashing Mrs. Palin, but it is a little early to blame the whole camp. After all, the members of the Romney camp in my county are supporting Mrs. Palin. Let’s first find out if my county is unique or not. I am not happy with any camp trashing Mrs. Palin whether they support Mr. Romney or anybody else.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:58 am
We seem to have gotten to the point where every Romney supporter who says anything negative about Palin is some sort of conspiracy.
As for Romney “going nuclear” by offering above-board policy-based attacks. Well, McCain’s learning now what nuclear really looks like, and funnily enough his attempts to cry to the press this time have fallen of deaf ears.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:59 am
I think lorelli’s post is overreacting a little bit. It is not just Romney supporters saying things like this. I am pretty sure most prominent conservative thinkers have been saying this the past few weeks. So have the polls. She has become a drag on the ticket. She was not ready for the national scene. That is apparent.
Besides, as a romney supporter, palin was my second choice. I think palin appeals to most romney supporters.
This seems to be driven by a bias against Romney ironic enough as that is.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:03 am
#79. Yes, the entire FPP team has decided that I am only allowed to write about the The House Committee on Energy and Commerce.
The FPP team will conduct a review in 12 months and determine if my ban is lifted. I am not allowed to write anything controversal or critical of another Republican. We are taking the Obama approach the media “fairness”.
Aron is also banned for his 175 critical posted links about Palin, he was not penalized as much, as he gets to write about the congressional committee on public works and The Florida Orange harvest.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:03 am
I’m betting that this isn’t a coordinated effort. And I’m appalled that many anti-Romney types are trying to blame our iimpending loss and the elite’s anti-Palinmania on Romney. Scapegoating doesn’t fix political woes. That said, some of these Romney supporters, along with some of the conservative elites, appear to be scapegoating Gov. Palin and that’s also appalling. She is a rockstar and deservedly so.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:04 am
As far as party unity before an election goes, there is no difference at all between Kristofer Lorelli’s post and the people he’s criticizing.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:10 am
I’m no Rombot and I agree with Madden and Jowers. That Palin didn’t crash and burn during the debate with Biden is because everyone was grading her on a curve after the disastrous Couric interview. I was embarrassed when I saw it. In the debate, Palin stuck to her talking points and Biden treated her like a five-year old. He simply knew better than to engage. All he had to do was not say something stupid. It seems like nothing matters to a certain segment of Republicans anymore other than being rabidly pro-life and railing against “elites” in Washington and New York. Depth amakes no difference. Insight on economics or foreign affairs makes no difference. Winning people over and bringing them into the party is unimportant unless they have ideological purity. All that matters is so-con purity. Palin is worse than being Huckabee 2.0 because at least Huckabee knew where he stood on economics. He was a populist. I don’t even think Palin ever even thought about it until she was tapped by McCain.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:15 am
86:
Actually, Biden said a ton of stupid incorrect things during his debate.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:20 am
#87 is correct. I am not sure if Biden actually said one truthful thing during the debate.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Romney has done more to help McCain than any other republican. He sucked it up, went to work and hasn’t stopped since the day they stood together and McCain looked like he was going to explode if he had to be nice for one more second. Romney raised 20 mil for McCain. Romney comes on after McCain blows a debate or speech and cleans up the mess. Even after McCain used Romney and then gave him the bum’s rush, Romney was still the good soldier. I’ve actually never seen anything like it. Romney is one stand up guy, and would never stoop to the dirty-pool level of Huckabee. That’s right, I said it.
Romney has said numerous positive things about Palin. Even as Romney is out busting his butt for McCain, John is making endless fun of him (Romney is campaigning better for me that he did for himself! Yuk, yuk!)
This is ridiculous.
My Heavens, I can’t wait until Wed when EVERYONE on the right can be relieved of the duty to prop up Palin. Talk about eating a crap sandwich. Sorry, her elevator just doesn’t go all the way to the top.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:25 am
I’m getting so sick and tired of this idiocy coming from people with Romney Derangement Syndrome. Romney didn’t say anything against Palin, there isn’t a conspiracy here, he’s been very supportive of the ticket, a majority of Romney supports have been too, he has no control over what former staffers say as they no longer work for him. Savvy?
October 30th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Henry – why is Palin a rockstar? Do we want a rockstar? I thought we were right when we objected to Obama the rockstar. Now we have one of our own, except bigger. I’m sure Obama could never skin a moose.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Martha is back!
Martha, how is the pregnancy going (do I have the correct Martha?)?
October 30th, 2008 at 9:29 am
73, “HA!, If I had written about Huckabee, you rombots would be giving me a virtual high-five instead of asking me to resign”
Oh, brother. If you had written about Huckabee, most people would have said ‘why are you pulling this 5 days before election’ just like most people here said.
The primaries ended a long time ago.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:30 am
J. Martin, Kevin Madden was, after Romney left the campaign, and is still on the Romney payroll.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:31 am
“G” tell that to the Romney supporters.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:31 am
92 – don’t know what you’re talking about, so it must be the other Martha.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Kristofer. This isn’t fair, and you must know it. I haven’t been here that much, so I don’t know who you supported in the primary. It sure looks like an early attack on Romney with no basis. You must know how hard Romney has worked for McCain – even if it was to help build support for a future run, and I don’t necessarily think it was. It was simply the right thing to do. No other former candidate has done so much.
Madden’s comments are no different than scores of others when it comes to Palin. And honestly, I don’t see them being controversial at all. He also praised Palin.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:38 am
2,3,5,7,11,15,16,17,22,23,24,25,27,29,31,32,37,42,43,50,52,53,54,55,62,63,64,65,66,67,69,70,71,72,73,76,79,80,81,82,89,90 that this post is a giant dung heap. That 42 comments so far out of 90 (at the time I began writing this). 11 of the remaining comments come from Kristofer himself. And of the remaining there are only a handful that concur with Kristofer’s assertions.
Is this the direction of this site? Why is a post like this coming before the election has even taken place? If I had a recommendation to Kavon it would be get some reigns on Kristofer for the good of this site and the party or find a new pro-Palin front-page poster. How long before Kristofer goes the way of Alex Knepper? Not too long I hope.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:42 am
My comment won’t post. What’s the problem?
October 30th, 2008 at 9:43 am
With Republicans like this blogger who needs Democrats.
Palin will get her chance (if she wants it) to state her case for future run for the Prez. Right now its between McCain and Obama. Your comments just turns off voters. And frankly, the Vast majority of Romney supports I know are voting for McCain, so I don’t see your point.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Probably being held for moderation. Sorry if I have duplicated it. If it doesn’t come the gist is that this post sucks.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:45 am
#94, Madden is still on Romney’s payroll? Are you sure? He’s working at Glover Park Group now.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjhlZDExN2VmODYxZDM1OTUzYzM2Y2MyZjNkMTk4MDM=
October 30th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Wow, just wow. I keep reading about the “circular firing squad” affecting the McCain camp and here is an example of it at Race42008. Frustration is running high and everyone is on edge because of it. Just remember, in 5 days you will all be rallying around a new President or uniting to defeat him in 4 years. This cannibalism is just down right scary.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Wow, just wow. I keep reading about the “circular firing squad” affecting the McCain camp and here is an example of it at Race42008. Frustration is running high and everyone is on edge because of it. Just remember, in 5 days you will all be rallying around a new President or uniting to defeat him in 4 years. This cannibalism is just down right scary.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Here’s proof that Kevin Madden no longer works for Romney:
KEVIN MADDEN TO JOIN THE GLOVER PARK GROUP PUBLIC AFFAIRS PRACTICE
http://www.gloverparkgroup.com/content/news/news_081806.shtml
And it’s dated June 18, 2008.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:57 am
#101, he was still speaking for Romney after Romney withdrew from the race, most likely on retainer (remeber who Romney hired to deflect Huckabee attacks?).
October 30th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Kris,
I posted something on the front page, and then realized I was fighting fire with fire. So I pulled it. I don’t despise Palin, I liked her more when first selected, but that has faded somewhat.
But on Jowers, he’s not a political lackeye, he’s the head of the U. of Utah’s Institute of Politics. He’s an Academic. Which makes 2 points:
1. Romney shouldn’t be silencing Academics voices that were once part of his campaign and no longer are. That would be a whole different can of worms.
2. Jower’s quote is a cherry picked observation by Rom-nots. I wonder how many academics would agree to his comments? Probably nearly all.
I am guessing there are all sorts of comments of from people about Palin who had nothing to do with Mitt that you have excluded from your reasoning.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:59 am
So, Jason’s front page post was taken down because it made too much sense? What gives?
October 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am
I know deep down you guys are sorry you acted out of fear instead of picking THE most competent conservative candidate. But it’s too late now, let it go. I like Palin, but admittedly the big reason she looks so good is because she is standing next to Democrat McCain, Socialist Biden, and Marxist Obama. Just imagine if we had a conservative, competent economic expert with a proven record of fighting for family values on the ticket. Wouldn’t we have some serious peace of mind right now. Priceless.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Yeah, but like they say, if “IF’s” and “BUT’s” were candy and nuts, it’d be Christmas every day. Let it go, people, and take yer medicine. I’m trying to let it go too, can you tell?
October 30th, 2008 at 10:10 am
I have had it with Romney and his folks. Please disappear from the national political scene!
October 30th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Kirk Jowers.
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/kirk-jowers.asp?cycle=08
October 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am
#105, so you think he’s most likely a retainer. You don’t have any evidence of that, but you’re going to accuse him of being one anyway? Despite the fact that he’s now the Senior Vice President of a company? …Oookay.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:18 am
106 Jason,
Thank you for the comment. I have one question for you;
How much money did Mitt pay Kirk, when Kirk was Mitt’s senior legal couns.?, and how much involvement does Kirk have in Mitt’s current PAC?
Jason, you and I both know what is developing ‘offline’ both for Mitt and Sarah. We should at least be partially honest online with the commentators.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Romney has always and always will SUCK!
October 30th, 2008 at 10:20 am
#112, since he is Senior VP he must not have time for anything else, like the contract he received from a liberal cable news network?
If you would like, I could pull youtube video of Madden speaking for Romney, after romney had withdrawn?
October 30th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Wow, Kristopher. Just, “Wow”.
The Primaries were over NINE months ago. Romney has been working hard ever since to elect McCain. Even after McCain chose Palin for his V.P. nominee. Romney has been doing just about everything he can to help the ticket this year. He hasn’t said “boo” against McCain or Palin. He hasn’t even returned in kind to all the slams and barbs directed at him from Mike Huckabee. He has been a model Republican, a real team player.
Yet you post this. “Will Romney … ever learn?” Why?
Look. The primaries are over. McCain won. Romney, Fred, Huckabee, Rudy, et al lost. Get over it already.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:24 am
114. Typical anti-Romney poster. Great substance!
October 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Kristofer, I’ve seen him speaking for Romney after primaries. The question is he still speaking for him today? The answer is no, not since June of 2008. He’s now working for Glover Park Group. I know he still appears on national news networks, but they have him on there for HIS opinion. He no longer speaks for Romney.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Mitt Romney has done more to elect McCain than McCain has done for himself.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:27 am
If you aren’t able to see you were dead wrong in posting this Kris, then you have your head in the sand. Its obvious you were trying to help Palin get a leg up for 2012. You got caught!
#77 – you again Kris – If this would have been about Huckabee, it would have been true. We’ve all heard him diss McCain’s campaign many times in front of millions of people. No one who has listened to him can deny that, not even Ohio Joe. He is doing exactly what you were attempting to blame Mitt for, but the difference is you had to lie in order to do so with Mitt. Mitt has been an outstanding spokesperson, so much so that many who were not even Mitt fans in the past are wondering how we ever got McCain when we could have had this guy who articulates all subject matter extraodinarily well. So, you, my boy, were just caught attempting to elevate your girl at the expense of an innocent man, and you got caught.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Kristofer Lorelli,
This post shows your obvious bias against Romney. You are looking for reasons to hate him, and worse, you post them to the front page. Maybe Romney has aspirations for future races, but honestly, as a former Romney supporter, I don’t care about that right now. I don’t know how the field is going to shape up, and I don’t know who I will even support.
You asserted that Kevin Madden was on on the payroll of Romney. That’s not true. He’s employed by the Glover Park Group now:
http://www.gloverparkgroup.com/content/team/team_madden.shtml
You are so transparent. I’m glad almost all of the posters have pointed out how stupid this post is. As former Romney supporters, we are not amused.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Race42008 has just be derailed and is now taken hostage. Kristopher has taken the low road 5 days before a Presidential election.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I started writing #121 before seeing the post of J. Martin so I covered the same ground.
Here’s is what I can’t stand: Kristofer just made an assumption that Madden was on Romney’s payroll, and yet he didn’t state it as an assumption, he stated it as a FACT. That so called fact was then debunked by J. Martin. Yes, Madden spoke on Romney’s behalf for a short time after the primary, I’m sure the campaign staff wasn’t immediately let go back in February. But since at least June, Madden has not been employed by Romney.
Kristofer, you were plain wrong. And congratulations on just making your bias apparent by stating an assumption you hoped to be true as a fact.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Eric Fehrnstrom, Romney’s spokesman:
“As you point out, Madden’s his own man. He’s a good guy, but his opinions are his own. Mitt Romney and his entire team at the PAC have been supportive of the McCain-Palin ticket – we’ve raised tons of money, done 20 surrogate events around the country, and countless media interviews both local and national as requested. To imply that Governor Romney has been anything but supportive is untrue and unfair.”
October 30th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Kristofer, this is a ridiculous post. There are plenty of us non-Romney types that dislike Palin. Have you seen her favorables around the county? A lot of pople dislike Palin. She is as polarizing as Hillary.
It’s almost natural that Romney and Palin aides would not like each other. The candidates do not have much in common, for better or worse. However, McCain has gone on record saying that Romney has done a better job for McCain than he ever did for himself, inferring that Romney fought better and harder for John.
Kristofer, you are a complete Romney bigot.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Just so we’re clear, the Adam in 125 is not me. I’m the “Adam” that has been here since summer of ‘07 and originally a Giuliani supporter who didn’t like Romney and then came around to respecting him after the primary season was over.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:53 am
But while I won’t go as far as #125 with the “bigot” label, I do think this is a ridiculous post, as I said in #86.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Kristofer,
All you need to do is add an update to your post. One that says “even though I think this looks like Mitt has selfish motives I admit he is one of the hardest working republicans out there fighting to keep a Republican in the white house. So my post is pointless.”
October 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am
The rombots are no different that the Obamabots.
You guys use words like “bigot” (125), bias, etc…..to defend Mitt, and you are suggesting that I am fired or banned from blogging.
Go back and read all of your posts, then look back at comments made by Obama trolls on this site. You are one in the same.
If you really cared about 2008, you would condem Mitt and the three Mitt’ens mentioned above, for not supporting the ticket.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:00 am
#128, make Kavon a large donation and post a front page response.
You are a rombot, you understand how to buy attention.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Holy crap, Kristofer. You need to take a step back from your keyboard and take a deep breath. Jeez.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Er, breathe.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Kristofer,
I don’t mind you critiquing a person like Mitt, free speech is yours to have, but my issue is just that it is way off mark with this one and I am sharing my free speech right of telling you the mark was missed and should never have been targeted. So don’t take my critique of your post as a Mitt bot screaming foul as I am not. Your post could have said “Former Romney supporters turn against Mitt’s views and put down Palin” and it would have been more realistic based on the “actions” of Mitt himself that is one of the hardest working Republicans out there to get John and Sarah nominated.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Kristofer,
#130 I am not a rombot (although his hard work for the party has gained my respect for him). You don’t know me and I am not sure how you would know and say that. I am not here to make a front page response. I am a commenter with an opinion and nothing more.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am
129. Guy, do yourself a favor and stop typing. Even people that did not support Romney agree your posts are asinine.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:20 am
#135 Obamarombot,
So I should stop typing because some people disagree? Are you serious? I didn’t like the way The Hunt for red october was written, should I burn the book?
October 30th, 2008 at 11:28 am
I’m a Romney supporter who has at times supported Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Jindal, and am now currently supporting McCain. But even more than McCain I’m supporting Palin. I really like what she’s about.
BUT, if obnoxious people like yourself keep trying to find a way to smear Romney, when he’s not evening an issue right now, you are gonna turn a lot of people off, like myself. The fact that Romney still generates so much attention of people like you, Sampo, Daton, and others who would rather take a swipe at Romney anyway they can, reveals your motivation. Your hate and disdain for Romney surpasses your passion for conservatism.
I’m sure some bigots are going to respond with unrestrained hate and zeal that is all to common among liberals–”How can we not focus on him when his surrogates are saying this” “He went NUCLEAR during his advertising when nobody else did” etc.
BULL! This falls right in line with the reasoning of “He’s a flip flopper.” Maybe he is, but not anymore so than ANY of the canidates that were or currently are.
This is simply a narrative that Romney haters like to create and pretend that it’s only applicable to Romney and not their choice of canidate.
I am a conservative first and am only loyal to canidates so long as they represent what I belive in. That’s why I can support several canidates, though not all, that run through our primary process. But if McCain loses and Palin, who I have identified well with on a lot of issues, comes to represent people like the OP, then this is one less vote she’ll get. I’m sure it won’t be the only one
October 30th, 2008 at 11:28 am
http://polwatchers.typepad.com/pol_watchers/2008/10/romneys-email-for-mcconnell-hints-at-obama-win.html
October 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Obama probably is going to win. The actual text of Romney’s email is all to the good. He is trying to build support for McConnell.
Here is the actual text of the email.
How is this a negative reflection on Romney?
October 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Kristofer Lorelli:
I’m a former Romney supporter and I have been behind McCain / Palin 100%. Sure, I think Romney would have been a better VP choice, but that does not mean that myself and other former Romney supporters are not behind Palin 100%. You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.
This is a terrible write up. Especially during a time when we need unity. What good does it serve to flare up old wounds? It is your motives I question due to the timing of this write up.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Kristofer, so that what you do all day long? Search the internet high and low for things to attack Romney on?
October 30th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I’m not sure why Kavon ever gave Kristofer front-page posting priveleges, but he’s definitely been the most worthless one that posts to this site on a consistent basis. We get glossy Palin photos and mindless speculation that has nothing to do with the actual RACE FOR 2008.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:37 am
#141, that begins in 5 days.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:37 am
#136
Just trying to do you a favor and save you the ounce of credability you have left. I kinda feel sorry for.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:37 am
No, I think that began today.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am
#142, start a petition.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am
I wouldn’t be so quick to blame Mitt. Let’s just say, Romney supporters have a long memory too…. and we will not forget these lame attacks on Mitt or his team.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:39 am
144. you
October 30th, 2008 at 11:39 am
#145, you mean “yesterday”.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:13 pm e
October 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am
#147, wait, if Romney supporters have a long memory, how come you guys seem to “go blank” when they are asked about Mitt’s previous positions (flip) on; abortion, gay-marriage, health care, taxes, Iraq, drugs, deficit spending…..?
October 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Ah, yeah. I didn’t look at the date of this post.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Look, I just have to say it, this is the best post ever on grounds of relevance and accuracy alone, and I think that it helps to remind us all that it is the duty of every Romney supporter to critically evaluate whether their support for Romney only encourages Romney’s many and continued attempts to destroy the GOP to satisfy his own vanity.
I’m just saying.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Early this week Romney was on Fox & Friends and was asked about Sarah Palin, he said she was the right choice and went in her defense.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:44 am
True’dat.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am
No one said that the man wasn’t a duplicitous liar, you glue huffing sycophant. Of course that’s what he says openly even as he directs his parasites and hangers-on to savage Palin at every turn.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am
to satisfy his own vanity
That reminds me of someone who frequently comments in these forums…
October 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am
It is now that I feel stabbed in the back. I have been nothing but 100% supportive of McCain / Palin. Now, I’ve got to read this tripe..
Romney and most of his supporters have been among McCain’s staunchest allies. There is certainly supporting that claim than otherwise.
This entire thread is very un-healthy to all Republicans..
October 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am
And this is how we get McCain elected…
October 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am
#153, yes, Romney has been for the most part a good supporter of McCain’s on cable news shows.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am
dotan you are a pathetic loser.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:48 am
This entire thread is very un-healthy to all Republicans..
I don’t browse threads on Democratic forums, so I don’t know what types of “circular firing squad” discussions they have, but I don’t think that the Republican party has been healthy for a long time.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am
#157, you are one of the few…….i could list toy 25 rombot commentators on this site who have not been.
#156, for someone who does not like me and wants be banned from a keyboard, you sure spend a lot of time talk at me.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am
#162 you sure spend a lot of time talk at me
I was referring to someone else
October 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am
me* talking*
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#161, try Democratic sites dedicated to Hillary.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Kristopher,
We don’t have time for this. We have an election to win. Can’t you put your Romney Derangement Syndrome on hold for five more days at least? Or is tearing down Romney more important to you than winning this election?
October 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am
#162. List them and let them defend themselves.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Let’s see the 25.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am
165 I put my stock in the ladder.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:55 am
If anyone wants to know why people like Kristofer and Dotan do absolutely no good for any conservative canidate, but rather hurt their chance while at the same time discredit their own integrity (which really no one cares about) then refer to post 137.
If regular conservatives like me, who aren’t fanatical myrmidons of one canidate, but rather are capable of supporting several canidates are turned off by these bigots, then the negative influence they have and those like them are going to be far reaching
October 30th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
#169, how very Deepak Chopra of you.
btw, what is a “regular conservative”?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Kristofer and Dotan, isn’t it lonely being so dead wrong?
Kristofer, you have been roundly and rightly condemned today. I thought race42008 was committed to leaving the primary alone and uniting for the good of the party? That’s what Romney did. But you persist because of your hatred for him. Why should anyone give you an ounce of credibility?
I sure won’t from here on out.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Still waiting for the 25 names…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
#171, save that line for your husband. You are just like an Obama support, “We are right, you are wrong, so shut up”.
But to answer your question, I am used to it. Everyone said I was wrong last year when McCain was in single digits on the polls….everyone (EVERYONE) said I was wrong when I said Palin would be VP, not Romney. Keep going Martha M…….
martha m, 6 weeks ago, you trashed Palin. You are a troll.
http://race42008.com/2008/09/26/christopher-orr-gets-it/
Do you condem these romney supporters and activists for their attacks on Palin? How do you feel about the fact that Jowers has received hundreds of thousadns of dollars from Romney for political work and is now attacking the 2008 ticket?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Good Grief you attempt to even smear romney about his email to Mitch Mcconnel and this is what he actually said in the email:
“And as we face the very real possibility of an Obama presidency, that’s the last thing we need.”
Get a life!
October 30th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
#172, I am gathering names and links to previous posts. See #173,
Also, read “heath, “dskinner”, “illinoisguy”…..
http://race42008.com/2008/08/29/i-wasnt-paying-attention/
October 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
173. Hate to tell you someone is right and someone is wrong. Sorry.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
rombots attacking Plain and Matt E. Miller.
http://race42008.com/2008/10/09/the-last-redoubt-and-sarah-palin/
October 30th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Kristofer,
where are the names?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
#178,
look at 175 and 173 and allow me to post more.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
McCain was asked this question at the CNN GOP debate and said he was better at the economy then Mitt Romney would be… Everyone seems to have forgotten this moment…
QUESTION: There’s been a lot of discussion lately about the importance of leadership and management experience. What makes you more qualified than Mitt Romney, a successful CEO and businessman, to manage our economy?
MCCAIN: Because I know how to lead. I know how to lead.
I led the largest squadron in the United States Navy. And I did it out of patriotism, not for profit.
And I can hire lots of managers, but leadership is a quality that people look for.
And I have the vision and the knowledge and the background to take on the transcendent issue of the 21st century, which is radical Islamic extremism. I’ve been involved in every single major national security crisis since — in the last 20 years. I’m proud to have played a role in those, and I’m proud to have played a role in making sure that we didn’t raise the white flag and surrender in Iraq, as the Democrats wanted us to do and we would have done if we had set timetables for a withdrawal.
So, the fact is — so the fact is that I have the qualifications and the knowledge and the background and the judgment. I don’t need any on-the-job training.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Kristopher,
Let me repost #165.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
#181,
was that for Kristopher or Kristofer?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Where the heck is Kavon? Can anyone contact him? Kristofer is in meltdown and needs to have a talk. He’s way out of line the way he’s insulting us. Calling us trolls, Obamabots, Obamarombots, ect.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
The question still stands.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
#183 Uh… have you paid attention to the language he’s used all along? It’s nothing new.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Hey crazies!
I have lurked and occasionally commented here from the very early days, when george allen was supposed to be the nominee.
I am an Independent who was for Romney, because I really like competence. When he left, I was for McCain, because I really like competence. After Palin was picked, I was initially excited, then very disillusioned, because I really like competence.
There are some people like me who are not partisan hacks. We want good government and become frustrated when we see cynical political overtures like Palin’s pick has proven to be. McCain even said three times on Letterman that he “didn’t know her well.”
There are even some of us that, when asked, will speak our minds about what we think. And if Romney tries to “reign me in” I will thank him very much for his input and do whatever the crap I feel like because this is still America.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
#183, call him.
1-800-rom-bots.
Is any rombot going to condem the comments made by Romney staffers and supports? Why is Rmney not controlling his clan? Answer that, Mr. J Mrtin?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Martha M:
With respect, the way you and a few others have insulted our Hockey Mom does nothing for our party. She is an Energy expert. If she is such a Socialist, why did she keep taxes in Alaska so low.
All you people who think that Mrs. Palin is a Socialist should leave our country for a while, go to a real freaking Socialist country and come back and give us a report. You people who trash Mrs. Palin and then cover yourself with the title Economic Conservative are a disgrace to our party as well as our country. Mrs. Palin is smarter than most ost of you and she is a better capitalist as well. Go ahead, give us 8 years of Mr. Obama and then we will see if you will still trash Mrs. Palin.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
all of your hatred for Romney aside, are you people really going to try and tell me that Palin is ready to become President?
She has less experience in mid-level office than Obama does, and, lets be fair, hasn’t been gushing policy.
Really, I agree that Obama is a horrible, inexperienced liberal, but the absurd policy worship we see on this site needs to stop.
The fact is, that, if Palin was a Democrat, we would be attacking her for her lack of experience.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
#187, Dude, you’ve lost it. You’re completely lost it.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
#170- The answer is in my post, don’t be obtuse when trying to be clever
October 30th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Kristofer
If you won’t answer #165 and #181 because I misspelled your name, perhaps you will answer this post.
We don’t have time for this. We have an election to win. Can’t you put your Romney Derangement Syndrome on hold for five more days at least? Or is tearing down Romney more important to you than winning this election?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Yes…the author of this post needs to see a shrink ASAP…i just wonder how long it would take for that shrink to start showing him photos of Mitt Romney…try to be a rational person please, i prefer to share this planet with such types
October 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
#189, answer the question…
How do you feel about the comments made by these Romney friends and supporters?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
#187
You’re like a dog that eats its own crap over and over again. We already hashed and rehashed your asinine posts. Oh, wait, nobody can be right or wrong…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Kris,
I am not sure what Jowers donating money to Romney negates any of what I just said.
No actually I don’t know wht’s developing offfline, I do know what’s developing in your head thinking ahead towards 2012.
187. Why should people condemn it? What Madden is doing is dumb, but codndemn, it? They don’t like Palin. Not everyone does, look at the polls. Get over it, stop playing victim.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Kristofer
I’ve never been much of a Romney supporter, although I am amused at your fettish with bringing him down.
As far as supporting the current party ticket (which Romney has said he does), his friends and supporters aren’t helping the cause. Even if what they say is largely true (I agree with a lot of it), it does not help their supposed cause.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
this is what “nate” said about Palin last week.
#196, what is your deal. What type of Republican are you and what do you stand for. I remember you hated this GOP ticket last month.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
How long do you need to get the names? I would have thought it would be easy. So far I have 3 names and no evidence…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
195 Jason,
I wish you represented all of the Romney supporters, or at least the others followed you.
but, how about those “2012″ discussions on your blog?
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