Much has been written already about whether 2008 is a re-aligning election. I suppose that this is a small fraction of what will be written in the coming months. I laid my thoughts out here, here, here, here and here about whether 2008 would be re-aligning, and my answer is still a cautious “no.” I’ll have more to say later on the subject, but without getting too “Karl Popper” on you, I find most of the arguments for emerging re-alignments to be the worst kind of historicist junk. Just as an example, while it is true that the youth vote voted overwhelmingly Democratic, this forgets that eight years ago it was split. There’s nothing to say that four years from now it won’t be split again, especially if Obama has a rough time of things (indeed, a large part of why that generation is heavily Democratic for now is that twenty-somethings’ political memory consists of a competent Democratic President and an incompetent Republican President).
There are certainly arguments to the contrary (for one thing, the left dominates many of the information avenues to these voters, which will probably take more than one or two cycles to remedy), but we have no way of sorting them out with anything other than mere guesswork. In short, I find these arguments about as convincing as I found arguments in 2004 that we were encountering a permanent Republican majority (“We won 97 of the 100 fastest-growing counties!!!!”). A re-alignment may be brewing, but we really won’t be able to know until we are well into it.
For now, I’d like to take a close look at how Obama built his map. We note at the beginning his solid, but not overwhelming, majority in the electoral college, which presently looks to be about 364 to 174. Again, this is a solid win, but it is not LBJ 1964. This is fairly remarkable, considering that you have to go back to 1952 or possibly even 1920 to find an open race where the climate was similarly inhospitable to the incumbent party. Both of those resulted in double-digit popular vote wins for the out-party running into the 400s in the Electoral College.
Michael Barone links to a map of how counties voted, courtesy of the Washington Post here. There’s also a cool 3-D map you can click on, though it takes an awfully long time to load. But this isn’t particularly illuminating, as all it shows is the binary choice of Obama/McCain. But the difference between a county or state going 50-49 Obama and 50-49 McCain isn’t as interesting to me as the difference between a county or state going 10-90 McCain as opposed to 10-90 Obama. We need maps that show gradations of red, purple, and blue. A map like this is more useful.
But rather than take the absolute results, what I would like to do is look at the Partisan Voting Index (with a doff of the hat to Charlie Cook for the term) for the states. What this does is take the states and compare them against the candidates’ national average. In other words, if a candidate wins nationally with 55 percent of the two-party vote, and wins a state with 55 percent of the two-party vote, the PVI is zero. This basically allows us to look at what states fall on the right and the left side of the political spectrum as it manifests in a particular election. More importantly, by taking the states and reducing them to the same baseline (e.g. R/D+0), it also allows us to compare elections with very different national results, to see how much the underlying map has changed.
With the amount of spending, advertising, registering, and organizing that occurred in this election, targeted as it was at certain states, we should expect to see significant distortions in the maps. This is especially true if a re-alignment is taking place, as re-alignments are almost always accompanied by substantial regions of the dominant parties electoral coalition breaking off. A classic example here are the 1928 and 1932 elections. Given the substantial upheaval in the electoral college, it should be unsurprising that in 1932, only four states were within a 2 points of their PVI in 1928.
Below are the relative maps for 2004 and 2008. Pure purple means that the state’s PVI is between -2 and 2; slightly bluer means a Dem PVI of 3-4; each gradation means another two points until you hit the darkest blue or red, which means a PVI of 10+.
I will let readers draw their own conclusions, but to me the maps look largely identical. Despite a billion dollars spent between the two candidates in carefully targeting states, each candidate ended up, relatively speaking, within 2.5 points of where their counterparts ended up four years earlier, in thirty-one states. These include several critical swing states where heavy advertising, organizing, and registering of voters should have moved them more than the national average. In the end NM, NV, VA, and CO moved about as little as did states that were ignored by the campaigns such as VT, IL, CA, and ID.
What states moved? Using 2.5 as the threshold for substantial change (e.g. rounds to 2 or less) we find that AL (3.6), KY (4.1), AZ (4.7), MA (5.1), WV (5.5), AK (5.7), TN (5.8), OK (5.9), LA (7.7), and AR (10.6) moved toward Republicans. For the Democrats the big movers were UT (2.8), DE (3.2) MT (3.7), NE (3.6), ND (4.2), IN (5.4) and HI (12.7).
For the Republicans, we would expect AZ and AK to stick with McCain/Palin, as they are the home states of the nominees. Similarly, we would expect DE and HI to move toward the Democrats, especially since in 2004 Bush performed unusually well in HI for a Republican (Hawaiians have historically supported incumbent Presidents relatively strongly regardless of party affiliation). The remaining states break down pretty simply: Democrats have the Northern Plains states and Indiana, Republicans essentially have the Jacksonian diaspora and MA.
That Massachusetts actually moved toward the Republicans, relatively speaking, may be a bit of a cautionary tale for Obama. This isn’t a fluke result – it was picked up in the polls throughout the election. There’s a couple of theories I’ve been toying with here, none of which is fully satisfying. The one I’m inclined toward is that many MA voters had heard Deval Patrick run the exact same campaign two years earlier, only to have him disappoint mightily once in office. Perhaps some MA voters brought a “fool me once, shame on me” attitude to the ballot box. Other theories are that this just represents the effects of Kerry leaving the top of the ballot (although this fails to explain why Texas didn’t move similarly toward Obama), or that Democrats have already “maxed out” among Democrats here (although it doesn’t explain VT and RI roughly keeping pace with the national average). Interestingly, neither Kerry nor Obama have matched, even in absolute terms, Gore’s 27-point drubbing of Bush – with another 6% for Nader!
To explore the Jacksonian diaspora/Northern Great Plains/IN results, we need another couple of maps.
Below is a map of relative change at the county level from 2004 to 2008. This is similar to the PVI approach, but it measures the change in a county rather than the result. Since the point spread moved about 9 points toward Democrats, we would expect, if only national factors played a role (e.g., housing collapse, bailout, Wall Street collapse, etc.) and everyone reacted similarly, that we would see every county move 9 points toward the Democrats. However, if you lived in a county where your own home’s value tanked by 10%, you will likely have an even more visceral reaction than most people. Your county will likely swing more than the country as a whole. In other words, if there are other factors at work than the national mood, you should see a swing of more or less than the average national mood resulted in
So what I’ve done is colored counties that swung 8-10 points toward the Democrats in white. For every additional two point swing toward the Democrats (11-12, 13-14, etc), I’ve increased the blue tint of the county, and vice-versa. It is important to bear in mind that light red counties still moved toward Obama in absolute terms. Our goal here is to try and isolate the national effects. States with minimal local response to national conditions should be largely white – WA and to a lesser extent OR are a good examples of this. I didn’t do New England because the data at CNN is compiled at the town level, and my maps are at the county level (some day I will draw town maps of New England, but probably not until I retire and my kid is at college).
This map is noisier than our statewide map, but that is to be somewhat expected, since we have several thousand more datapoints. Before we get into the relevant states, note some salient features. First, it is safe to say that the Republican party’s position on immigration did not help it with Hispanics – note the Rio Grande Valley’s vote swing.
Also, take a look at California. Note how blue the Central Valley is! This is likely a combination of the Hispanic vote and the fact that these counties – Merced, Stanislaus, Modesto – are the hub of the housing debacle. Riverside/Ontario in the south was similarly affected. We also note the blue “V” in Colorado – this largely represents the I-25 corridor through Denver and its suburbs, Broomfield, Boulder, and Fort Collins. Indeed, it was only the resistance of the remainder of the state to Barack Obama’s message that kept it from swinging more heavily.
Take note of the fact that it is not the inner suburbs that swing heavily toward Obama. Cook county had a modest swing, DuPage a stronger swing, but the GOP was killed in McHenry and Kendall counties. In Virginia and Maryland, fast-growing Loudoun, and Prince William counties swung heavier than Fairfax. Montgomery, Delaware and Bucks County didn’t swing as much as Lancaster and Berks counties (there’s a typo for Delaware in my spreadsheet that I caught too late; it should be coded white).
I have a theory here. When I started out as a newly-minted young professional, the lawyers in my firm consistently gave two pieces of financial advice: Buy a home for tax purposes and max out your 401(k). Hundreds of thousands of young professionals followed that advice, and they settled in the outer suburbs.
In the short term, that advice has not looked particularly sage. These young, affluent voters have seen their home values collapse and had their 401(k)s wiped out. These are likely their only two investments. It stands to reason that they would revolt against the status quo more than inner suburban dwellers, whose houses weren’t as hard hit and who likely had other investments saved up.
Finally, note that the black belt across central Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, and North Carolina is fairly white, indicating no change. This represents a limitation of my approach. Obviously these counties were critical to Obama’s victory. But they were already heavily Democratic. This is an area where turnout, not swinging votes, made a difference. But this map won’t pick up turnout (on a similar note, some cities such as Philly and San Fran are light red, because there the Democratic vote really was “maxed out” to the point that a further 10-point swing was basically impossible if any Bush voters remained). You just have to keep than in mind when interpreting the maps.
Anyway, with respect to the states that swung toward McCain, the first thing we notice is our old pal Appalachia.
Our correlation here isn’t as strong as it was in the Hillary/Obama primary, nor would we expect it to be. After all, many of these counties, especially in Pennsylvania, were already Republican, and hence were unlikely to swing further toward McCain. Nonetheless, we note heavy swings toward McCain (+10 points in absolute terms) in Southwest West Virginia, Western Virginia, and Eastern Kentucky. Some of these counties have not gone Republican in a long time – I would venture to guess in some instances some have not gone Republican since the UMW organized them in the 30s. (If you want to see a larger version of this map, click here).
Indeed, this swing is part of what kept Virginia and North Carolina from moving more than the national average – the relative stability, or even pro-McCain, movements in this part of the state counteracted the movement in Northern Virginia, Richmond area, and suburban North Carolina (note also that in Virginia, the outer NoVa counties such as Loudoun and Prince William moved a lot more than inner counties such as Fairfax and Arlington. This is again likely a manifestation of the rather severe housing contraction in those counties.
(By the way, if there is any state in particular you are interested in, e-mail me at Sean. Oxendine@gmail.com, and I will send you a map. No, I won’t send you all of them (mostly because of time constraints in uploading and sending all of them), but if you want one or two, I’ll see what I can do).
At any rate, we notice, as we noticed in the primary, that there is a “tail” to the south and west where Obama underperforms. These are counties that were settled by pioneers from Appalachia, and some of the Jacksonian heritage lives on. This, I think, explains the movement in AR, OK, NE TX, and some of Northern Louisiana. To be honest, the movement in Southeastern Louisiana surprised me somewhat – I guess Cajuns don’t like Obama much?
That leaves Obama’s over performance in the Great Plains. For this I think it is useful to zoom in a bit:
The temptation is to say that Obama over performed here because of rural areas. Yet I find this unsatisfying. Why did Eastern NE move toward Obama, but Western NE did not? Why did KS not move? One variable that I thought might be at work here was a change in party ID as a result of Obama’s voter registration drives and organization there. After all, there is probably more low hanging fruit in NE than in NC, so we might see more returns on the investment than we saw there. But in ND, the site of one of the strongest swings, Democratic registration was only up a point. SD, IN, and NE saw four, four, and five point increases, roughly the national average. Organization and registration is probably part of the story, but not the whole story.
Another portion of the answer, I think, lies in this graphic:
If we take the map of “Major Corn Production” found at the link above and lay it over our “change map,” we get something that looks like this:
Obviously it is not as pretty as our primary Appalachian map, nor should we expect it to be. There are a ton of variables at work here. Nonetheless, at least along the southern and eastern border, “major corn producing counties” seems to give a pretty good indicator whether a county swung substantially toward Obama. This makes sense, because as you get into Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma, and into Western Nebraska and South Dakota, you get into wheat and ranching country, respectively. I’m still not sure what happened in Northwestern MN or Eastern ND, though I’ll note that the “major corn producing county” label is an imperfect “yes/no” label, and I’d be interested to see how much corn gets produced in those counties (or in the rest of Southern WI and the LP of Michigan) (I note here that corn is a crowing crop in North Dakota).
What does this matter? This gets back to an older post from Jay Cost, speculating that McCain had a rural problem. Namely, an ethanol problem. Every time that McCain talked about cutting wasteful government spending, I am willing to bet that every rural Iowa, Indiana, Western Ohio, and Eastern Nebraska corn farmer looked out over his cornrows and thought “he’s talking about me, by gum.” Especially since McCain’s opposition to ethanol is not exactly a secret. Farmers in this region are historically Republican, but this is by no means set in stone; the fact that five of the six representatives sent to Washington are Democrats is a relic of the 1980s, when the states were fairly close to the national average in the midst of a severe farm contraction.
By the way, if anyone has a better dataset for corn production by county in the US (ie with actual numbers), I’d love to see it.
At any rate, the bottom line is that as Republicans embark on a “cut pork” binge, it is important to remember that one man’s pork is another man’s paycheck, and this can hurt in critical states.
That leaves Montana and Utah to explain. One state was heavily organized by Obama, and one was not. It think Montana was never as heavily Republican as it appeared in the Bush elections. After all, it did go for Clinton in 1992, and the Western portion of the state was historically heavily unionized and left-leaning (and while it isn’t a “clean” map there, the Western half of the state does look bluer than the Eastern, but this could be me just seeing what I’m looking for). Without the cultural affinity for rural-accented President Bush, these counties may have reverted to form. As for Utah, I note that Democrats’ portion of the electorate was only up a point or two from 2004, while Republican identification collapsed by eight points (for a mere 50-21 advantage, as opposed to 58-19 in 2004). Bitterness over Mitt Romney not being on the ticket? Anger among moderates over the church’s engaging in the gay marriage proposition in California? I really don’t know, and am open to suggestions.
Two other quick thoughts. I think that most of the panic on the right is ill-advised. As we’ve seen, the underlying red-blue map is still largely intact, except for a few candidate-specific quirks. It shifted 10 points to the left, but that is to be expected in a year when our incumbent has a 25% approval rating, the economy collapsed, the housing market collapsed, the US was involved in two wars that are going mediocre at best, and the Republican candidate responded to the defining moment of the campaign by freaking out. Given that you probably have to go back to 1952, if not 1920 to find the country in similar straits in an open election, it is amazing that the shift wasn’t greater, and that Republicans were actually in a position to win until the bailout bill arrived (and I don’t think this underperformance is just racism, as ran roughly the same as Congressional Democrats nationwide.
In other words, I think a lot of this talk of remaking the party is overblown. This isn’t to say that there isn’t work to be done, especially reaching out to younger voters. But we aren’t building from the ground up either. In a terrible two-cycle election we got 46% of the vote, which isn’t a majority, but isn’t terrible either.
At any rate, the ball is largely in the Democrats’ court. If they deliver, the opportunity is theirs. If they don’t – and Obama is coming in at a pretty rough time to have any hope of delivering – the country will probably forget what it hated about Republicans pretty quickly (see, e.g., 1982 midterm elections). If/when Democrats screw up, the script will be written for us, just like it was written for Democrats.
On a related note, this is a great opportunity for us in the House/Senate. Indeed, I’m not all that terribly broken up about McCain losing, as a McCain victory would almost certainly guarantee a strong Democratic showing in 2010, which allows them to control redistricting. And it would probably only forestall the inevitable arriving in 2012.
But Republicans should remember that being out of power is good for Congressional majorities. I’ve outlined below the number of Republicans in Congress since 1932, and shaded the party that controlled the Presidency blue for a Democratic President, red for Republican.
I think the correlation here is pretty clear. It would be highly unusual for Republicans not to make gains during the Obama Presidency. And this, I think, is where the developing RightRoots can, I think, make its greatest impact. Fundraising and messaging for the President is great, but $750,000,000 didn’t really move the dial all that much for Obama. Where big money can help is in Congressional races, where $100K to a candidate in seed money can make a huge difference. We need help identifying key races – it is embarrassing that we apparently had a 2-point race with a solid candidate in NY-24, and no one knew. Similarly, we came a lot closer to knocking off Chet Edwards in Texas than we did Jack Murtha, but we knew nothing about the candidate.
The leftroots would have picked up on these guys. We missed them. This shouldn’t happen again.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
The first two maps use very like colors to mark territory for two different parties so the changes aren’t obvious.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Sean, thanks for all your efforts. One question: You suggest that movement in the outer suburbs in VA (and maybe in PA and NC as well) may have been largely driven by young professionals reacting to the housing price and stock market declines. But, haven’t these outer suburbs been trending Democrat for most of the last 8 years–even during the boom times? It seems that way here in Virginia where the GOP has suffered increasing losses in both national and state elections in Loudoun and Prince William Counties. Is the same not true in PA and NC?
November 11th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
RE. those first two maps – relative change by PVI in ‘04 and ‘08. The maps that look similar.
How do those maps look for ‘76 and ‘80? IOW what should we expect a real realignment to look like?
November 11th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Chris,
Actually, Loudoun and PWC were pretty heavily Republican in 2004 — 56-44 and 53-47 in 2004 respectively. It wasn’t really until Bush’s second term began that the major slippage here started.
There’s other long-term forces at work here, as suburbs become increasingly urban (it’s hard to distinguish Arlington from DC anymore), and the GOP’s success in addressing the concerns to which it appealed to suburban voters (crime, middle class taxes) has ironically contributed to its decline. This affects all the suburbs, so I think the housing market and stock market are what explains the relatively greater collapse of the GOP in the exurbs.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Sean,
Arcuri is an arrogant SOB too. On Tuesday Night I know from a reliable source that one of his staff boasted “This is going to be over ‘real quick’”. This guy ought to be a prime target in 2010. Hanna is a great fit for the district. I hope he runs again, though in 2010 Arcuri will probably not take as much for granted.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Wow. Guess you are not working on Veteran’s day. At the risk of making this post even longer, I think the maps illustrate very nicely how the Republican party lost Hispanics, above and beyond the overall national shift.
The blue all along the Mexican border is striking. Even in Arizona, where you would expect McCain to outperform national trends, the border counties are only light red. Are there other heavily Hispanic areas to confirm (or disprove) my hypothesis? I think Utah, which I recall has a surprisingly high proportion of Hispanics, might be explained this way.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Tano,
I’m not sure that I’d agree that 1980 was a “real” re-aligning year; there’s a pretty well-developed school of thought that argues that there hasn’t been a “real” re-alignment since 1932. But compare this:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn134/Seanoxendine/Pres_Rel_1976.gif
with this:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn134/Seanoxendine/Pres_Rel_1980.gif
November 11th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Compare
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn134/Seanoxendine/Pres_Rel_1976.gif
with
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn134/Seanoxendine/Pres_Rel_1980.gif
I’m not sure I’d agree that 1980 was a “real” realignment. Try comparing 1928 with 1932:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn134/Seanoxendine/Pres_Rel_1928.gif
with
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn134/Seanoxendine/Pres_Rel_1932.gif
November 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Good point Robert M.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
2008 Exit Poll Examination
Results from 2004 election (Bush vs. Kerry) are in parentheses.
Men
Obama 49% (44%)
McCain 48% (55%)
White Men
McCain 57% (62%)
Obama 41% (37%)
Black Men
Obama 95%
McCain 5%
Latino Men
Obama 64%
McCain 33%
Women
Obama 56% (51%)
McCain 43% (48%)
White Women
McCain 53% (55%)
Obama 46% (44%)
Black Women
Obama 96%
McCain 3%
Latino Women
Obama 68%
McCain 30%
Vote if Hillary Clinton Were Democratic Nominee
Clinton 52%
McCain 41%
Married With Children
McCain 51% (59%)
Obama 48% (40%)
Have Children Under 18
Obama 53% (45%)
McCain 45% (53%)
Vote by Religion
Protestant
McCain 54% (59%)
Obama 45% (40%)
White Protestant
McCain 65%
Obama 34%
White Protestant Born-Again/Evangelical
McCain 73%
Obama 26%
White Evangelical/Born-Again
McCain 74% (78%)
Obama 24% (21%)
Catholic
Obama 54% (47%)
McCain 45% (52%)
White Catholic
McCain 52%
Obama 47%
Jewish
Obama 78% (74%)
McCain 21% (25%)
White Jewish
Obama 83%
McCain 16%
None
Obama 75% (67%)
McCain 23% (31%)
White No religion
Obama 71%
McCain 26%
Vote by Church Attendance
Weekly
McCain 55% (58%)
Obama 43% (41%)
Never
Obama 67% (62%)
McCain 30% (36%)
Is Palin Qualified to be President if Necessary?
Yes 38%
No 60%
Is Biden Qualified to be President if Necessary?
Yes 66%
No 32%
Who Has Right Experience?
Only McCain 40%
Only Obama 32%
Both 19%
Neither 8%
Does Obama Have Right Experience?
Yes 50%
No 48%
Does McCain Have Right Experience?
Yes 59%
No 40%
Does Obama Have Right Judgment?
Yes 57%
No 42%
Does McCain Have Right Judgment?
Yes 49%
No 49%
Would McCain Continue Bush Policies?
Yes 48%
No 48%
How George W. Bush is Handling His Job
Strongly approve 7%
Somewhat approve 21%
Somewhat disapprove 21%
Strongly disapprove 51%
On Election Night, CNN’s John King put up a map showing how, in contrast to Clinton, Gore and Kerry, Obama underperformed among white southerners.
Obama gains in fast-growing counties
Most affluent voters key to Obama sweep
The GOP’s path back from the wilderness
NBC’s Ana Maria Arumi crunched exit poll numbers on Palin for David Gregory’s “1600” on MSNBC. The results: The voters who found her to be qualified to be president were Republicans (74%), from the South (45%), and from rural areas (45%). She greatly underperformed among college grads (35%), independents (35%), and in the suburbs (40%).
Darkness at Dusk
By DAVID BROOKS
GOP a dying breed in New England
Goodbye, Reagan Democrats
By STANLEY GREENBERG
When will the Republicans get it?
How did that realignment work out for you, Republicans?
Five years ago, overweening conservatives predicted they would dominate the future. Goodbye to all that — for now.
By Joe Conason
Is this a moment of shifts made to last?
Obama’s victory breaks away from past voting trends, making political realignment possible
Where Does The Republican Party Go From Here?
It’s Not Just Taxes
By Margaret Hoover
I’d like to vote Republican again, someday
by Megan McArdle
Hagan pollster: ‘Godless’ ad backfired, big time
Obama’s Victory: A Realignment Or Stars in Alignment?
by Peter Brown
Schwarzenegger urges GOP to move beyond ideology
The governor says it is important for his party to regroup and support spending on programs Americans want.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Thanks Sean.
To argue that there hasnt been a realignment since ‘32 would seem to bury an awful lot of variation under a single alignment. It really is a pretty interesting story.
Looking at the EC map for 1928 and going forward, it seems to me that one could argue that there was a huge advancement for the Dems, and retreat for the GOP, but not a realignment in terms of where the core of support for each party lie. As the GOP began to do a little better against FDR in the fourties, they began to win back some of the same states they had at earlier periods of similar strength (e.g. 1916).
For a real realignment – for a complete and quick switch of the map, look at the EC maps for 1956 and 1964. Thats pretty stunning. It didnt last, since Carter was later able to win southern states, but it did presage some features we see now.
I dont know – what do you think of that? Should we look at Dem dominance after ‘32 as more of a broad advancement, that receded in susbsequent decades to the same ongoing underlying alignment.
But the switch of the South from Dem to GOP, which because of Carter and Clinton being native-sons happened in fits and starts – that was a real realignment?
November 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Tano,
You can read more complete thoughts on this here (and get a pretty cool animated .gif in the bargain!)
http://race42008.com/2008/07/23/will-2008-be-a-re-aligning-year-part-iv-of-v/
I’m increasingly skeptical of the entire concept of re-alignments, if for no other reason than no one seems to be able to agree when the “re-aligning” election occurred post-1932. There’s similar problems from 1860-1932. It’s pretty clear that our politics are different, but did the shift come in 1952 (when Ike started winning Southern states), 1968, 1972, 1980, or 1994? Arguments can be made for all of these states.
And throughout this time period, Democrats were fully capable of winning House seats — even open house seats. The trend these past couple of years isn’t a new one, it’s just no one noticed Democrats winning LA-05, LA-07, TX-01, TX-02, KY-06, etc., prior to 2006 because it took part in the context of general GOP dominance. But when the Arkansas House is still 71-28 D and the Senate is 27-8D, when the MS state house is 74-48D, and the AL House is 62-43 D, it’s hard to say that the re-alignment has been dramatic and complete, even in the South.
Personally, I think we’re still sorting out the effects of FDR’s re-alignment. Remember, pre-1932, liberals/progressives were the swing vote between two conservative parties — one agricultural, one industrial. FDR permanently laid claim to the liberals/progressives. At that point, it was only a matter of time before the agricultural/conservative base of the Democrats left. You can actually begin to see it happening in the West in 1940, and in the South shortly thereafter. At about the same time (actually beginning in 1928), you can see the North begin to abandon the Republicans (this is in part because of ethnic reasons, as Catholic immigrants began voting in greater numbers).
November 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Thanks Sean – good job. I’m not sure about the corn impact, although it is an item I would have expected to make some difference. Indiana was impacted by a lot more than Illinois and Iowa, yet Illinois and Iowa are certainly the corn states. The bluer parts of Illinois that are not in the Chicago area are Peoria, (heavily AA and university town), Champaign/Urbana (considerable AA and U of Illinois), and Bloomington/Normal (considerable AA and Illinois State). The corn counties didn’t seem to have much of a problem going more Democratic. So if Obama had not been AA, there would have been little movement in Illinois, in spite of the fact that Obama was from there.
Iowa looks as if nearly as many counties went toward red, and the reverse. It seems to me that whatver impact the ethanol stance provided was being offset by other factors.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
11. Remember, even light red is movement toward Obama. I agree there’s a mixture in IA, MN, IL, etc., but it stands in contrast with the more monlithically red states like KY and KS, which aren’t corn states.
The greater shift in IN is because that state was redder to begin with, so hacking off farmers moved the state more.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
“To be honest, the movement in Southeastern Louisiana surprised me somewhat – I guess Cajuns don’t like Obama much?”
Displacement from Katrina?
November 11th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Sean, if McCain had won this year, Republicans would have surely done better in House and Senate races and likely wouldnt have lost control of some crucial state legislatures this year. In 2010, they would have probably lost them again under McCain but I think it probably all evens out. I also wouldnt count on Obama making huge mistakes. We remember Bill Clintons disastrous first two years. This happened because Clinton was very sloppy about his priories and some say he actually wanted Republicans to take control in 1994 so he would have something to run against in 1996. I dont think Obama is that stupid.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Sean, do you have any thoughts or response to my question in #2?
Thanks.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
14. A lot of it is out of his control quite frankly, especially given the economy. If it hasn’t improved by 2010, Dems are in a world of hurt (and I’ve never heard anyone suggest anything other than Clinton was despondent over losing the House). We’ll see though.
15. I think my response got eaten by the spam filter. Bottom line, the exurbs have actually been trending Republican, while the inner suburubs have been the ones trending D. The shift is very interesting.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
12, but Sean, as I pointed out in Illinois they are all cities fairly populated by AA, not where the corn fields are that changed. Also the universities were more prone because of the liberal professors and the young students. All of the cities down state had those elements, and even though they also have corn, the counties around them have more farmers per capita, and yet not the same trend. I’m still douvting the ethanol situation.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
16, Read this book: http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/politics/2008/05/29/the-pact-between-bill-clinton-and-newt-gingrich.html
Its very hard to make assumptions about politics in the future. You seemed sure in 2006 that Democratic control of the House was an anomoly and and that in 2008 they probably either lose control or come very close to doing so. What ended up happening was Democrats losing just four incumbents(in districts they never should have been holding) and the rest of their freshmen pretty much solidifying their districts much like Republicans were able to do after the 1996 election or the Democratic freshman of 1974 after the 1976 election. These things are very difficult to predict.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
16, Read this book: The Pact Between Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich.
Its very hard to make assumptions about politics in the future. You seemed sure in 2006 that Democratic control of the House was an anomoly and and that in 2008 they probably either lose control or come very close to doing so. What ended up happening was Democrats losing just four incumbents(in districts they never should have been holding) and the rest of their freshmen pretty much solidifying their districts much like Republicans were able to do after the 1996 election or the Democratic freshman of 1974 after the 1976 election. These things are very difficult to predict.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
#16 – Please give an example, for here in VA, of an “exurb?” I take it that you define Loudoun County as suburb as opposed to an exurb? What do you believe is driving the trend of the suburbs and inner suburbs going Democrat and the exurbs going Rep.?
November 11th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
17. In some cases, yes, but Wabash, Schuyler, Morgan, and some other “big swing” counties are definitely rural (and few of those other counties have cities that completely dominate the counties)?
18. I’ll check it out, though from what I’ve read online it talks about post-1996 stuff, which wouldn’t surprise me. Every firsthand account I read (and I was on the Hill for most of 1995 and all of 1996) indicates that Clinton was pretty despondent.
It is difficult to make forward-looking projections, hence my comment about Karl Popper and historicism. I was pretty certain that 2006 was more like 1946 than 1930, and obviously it wasn’t. Then again, I didn’t expect Bush to phone it in over the last two years, for the Democrats to completely cave to him on most issues, and for the economy to collapse a month before the election. Still, I’m not convinced that we’re not more in a 1950-1952 situation than a 1930-1932 situation. We shall see, though. There are an awful lot of districts where Democrats are overextended.
19. I’d say Fairfax and Arlington are suburban districts, along with Henrico down here in Richmond. Loudoun, Powhatan and PW (and Hanover/Chesterfield) are probably more exurban districts. The inner suburbs are going Democrat because a lot of them are now extensions of the City — you can’t really distinguish between DC and ARlington, and ARlington and, say, the seven corners area. What was a comfortable middle class home fifty years ago is now considered borderline subsidized housing, and so the middle class doesn’t live in them any more. If you’re middle management with two kids, you’re probably living in Loudoun, PWC, Fauquier, or somewhere else where you can afford a middle class lifestyle more easily.
November 11th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
20, there is also a chance that we are in a 1974-1976 situation, maybe even a 1958-1960 situation. Who knows?
November 11th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Sean, #20 — Okay, thanks. But hasn’t Loudoun County been trending Democrat for several years now? I know that Bush v Kerry was close there, then the GOP lost some State Legislative races, then in went for Webb in 2006. and Obama this time, right?
A final question: Do you believe that it was the financial crisis beginning in mid-Sept. that did in McCain?
November 11th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
For me, Utah moved a little because the Republican brand was just not a good one this year. So many scandals and Republicans behaving like rotten spoiled kids instead of being disciplined leaders meant that Utah’s Republican voters (including me) felt betrayed by the party leadership.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:00 am
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November 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am
22. Bush won Loudoun 56-44. Wasn’t close.
I absolutely believe that the financial crisis did in McCain, as well as House/Senate Republicans. We were up 20 points in NC and Dole was up by close to double digits in all but Democratic polling. Chambliss was up 20 points, Smith was up in Oregon — I think it was the difference between the 7-8 seat pickup we’re seeing and a 4-5 seat pickup. In the House, Republicans were up in some generic balloting. If you believe that the crisis moved the dial only two points against Republicans — and I think that is being conservative — it was worth fourteen seats for the Democrats.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
25, you seriously think McCain would have won without the financial crisis? I think Obama would have still won, but it would have been a very narrow victory. He would have likely taken the Kerry states plus Colorado, Nevada, Iowa, and New Mexico.