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As Mike Huckabee’s book, “Do the Right Thing” is going to be a topic of some controversy for the next few weeks, I think it’s more helpful for people to know the facts about the book rather than go on and on about excerpts. So, over the next few weeks, I’ll be blogging one chapter a day. Today, I’ll take the Prologue: I Love Iowa
Caucus Night Remembrance
Huckabee opens the book with an unglamorous account of having to get a ride to the airport from a stranger due to the car they were supposed to take being blocked in. Of course, this gave way to euphoria from Huckabee supporters when his plane touched down in Des Moines.
Huckabee wrote:
“Throughout the campaign, one of our great challenges was trying to manage with far fewer staff members than was reasonable or realistic. It meant that all of our mostly young and inexperienced staff had `would be called on to do the tasks of several people…
“But on this night, no one was complaining. Our courageous army of volunteers and underpaid kids were euphoric, and they had the right to be: The kids had worked their hearts out to prove that conentional politics of money and sophisticated political strategy could beaten by sticking to core convictions and finding creative ways to communicate those convictions. A bunch of unknown, ordinary people had beaten “the best in the business.”
Huckabee wrote that, when he actually got up to speak, “It hit me that this was not our victory, it was their victory.” Every good political story begins with a victory night celebration and this was their “We Shocked the World” moment.
The controversial passage about Mitt Romney’s concession call (or lack thereof) is in this section. Reading the Prologue, when considering his audience, it seems that the Governor didn’t have “bloggers who followed campaign stories religiously” in mind. Huckabee’s book targets those who may not have paid attention to the 2008 process on the GOP side extremely closely. He takes time to explain the players and the process.
He talks about Fred Thompson running a “feeble” campaign in Iowa, failing to spend a lot of time in the state, and having poorly attended events. Some will make a big deal out of this, but for those of us who followed the campaign, the worst Huckabee deserves is a “Master of the Obvious” award. But, as he’s writing to people who may not have followed the race closely, it reads more like background than anything else.
I have to confess that I got caught in the “Fred” thing. I focused on the professed rule that, if you finish in the top 3 in Iowa or the top 2 in New Hampshire, you are a legitimate contender. However, even at the time, I was a little concerned that, even though Fred Thompson finished 3rd in Iowa, he did it with a smaller percentage of the votes than Alan Keyes got in the 2000 Iowa Caucuses. Someone needs to rewrite this political rule of thumb to, “To win the nomination, you have to win Iowa or New Hampshire.” That meshes more with reality than the top 3 rule. Those of us who thought Fred would get enough momentum out of 13% in Iowa to win South Carolina were slightly delusional.
Huckabee stood waiting backstage as a matter of courtesy for the customer congratulations call from his opponent. The reason for this is that candidates want to avoid stepping on each other’s toes, since the media will often cut from the losing candidate’s speech to the winner. Both McCain and Giuliani could find the phone, but for whatever reason, Romney could not, and Huckabee finally went out at 10 PM to declare victory.
My final note is that this section serves to bat down rumors that have spread on various talk shows, news stories, and the Internet. Huckabee writes that there was no “nefarious collusion” between his campaign and John McCain’s. Both McCain and Giuliani were pleased that Huckabee’s Iowa win punctured Mitt Romney ’s best Presidential victory scenario of running the board in early contests. The reaction was similar to that of a baseball team being happy that their division rivals lost and allowed them to gain a game in the standings. It’s not a conspiracy if the Toronto Blue Jays are glad the Boston Red Sox lost to the New York Yankees (or to the Arkansas Travelers if they were a major league team in the AL East.)
November 20th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Speaking of Alan Keyes, the fact that you supported his quest to become the President of the United States is more of a rebuke to your political inclinations than anything that I could ever possibly say.
November 20th, 2008 at 8:59 am
I didn’t support his campaign in 2008, I supported it in 2000, along with folks like Dr. Tom Coburn. I’ve not actually mentioned my support for Dr. Keyes in 2000, which I don’t regret. I actually warned about a lot of big government stuff that we were going to get from George W. Bush back in 2000, but nobody cared to listen.
However, that I’m inspiring some folks to do Opposition Research must mean that I’m striking a nerve, so thank you.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Great post Adam Graham!!!
November 20th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Since Huckabee credits God with his rise in the polls, shouldn’t he blame God for his loss?
November 20th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Maybe Palin should just pay him off to do just that. He’d probably do it then since he has no problem whoring himself out to rock the GOP boat on Fox News and in his book.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Taylor, I don’t think it’s a matter of blame or credit, but yeah, the sovereignty of God is ultimately determinant. It was John Quincy Adams who said, “Duty is ours, results are God’s.”
November 20th, 2008 at 9:09 am
All this talk about Huckabee is making me sick.
politically:
HUCKABEE MUST DIE
November 20th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Is it? I really wonder. I especially wonder when I see 8-year olds in the hospital with leukemia. I don’t know, man.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:11 am
I fail to see where you people are coming from. WHile GOD may talk to the voters, it is the voters, not GOD who vote in the ballot box. This is foolish to blame or credit GOD for the election results. Human voters have free will given to them by GOD. GOD does not force anybody to vote a certain way.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Well Huckabee might disagree. Like when he tried to strong arm Bauer for his support by asking him if he prayed before he decided to go with someone else.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Mr. Huckabee might have strong armed Mr. Bauer, but whether he pray or not, Mr. Bauer in the end did what he did based on his own free will like any other voter. GOD did not force Mr. Bauer to do anything.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:19 am
10 – I just cannot believe the sleaze of Schmuckabee.
I didn’t support his campaign in 2008, I supported it in 2000, along with folks like Dr. Tom Coburn. I’ve not actually mentioned my support for Dr. Keyes in 2000, which I don’t regret. I actually warned about a lot of big government stuff that we were going to get from George W. Bush back in 2000, but nobody cared to listen. However, that I’m inspiring some folks to do Opposition Research must mean that I’m striking a nerve, so thank you.
It wasn’t that difficult; you’re advertising it over at your other blog on the right-hand side. You also ran for the Idaho State House? Interesting. You do strike a nerve, though — you and I have clashed more than anyone else on the site post-Election Day, and will probably do so more often than any other pair of contributors! When two Republicans, one a gay atheist classical liberal, the other a Christian Right classical conservative, meet in political warfare, the result is nuclear.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Is it? I really wonder. I especially wonder when I see 8-year olds in the hospital with leukemia. I don’t know, man.
God also seems to have a fascination with healing cancer patients that pray to him. Amputees are apparently never deserving of being healed.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:28 am
If I remember correctly, the night of the Michigan primaries, McCain called Romney to concede and then went out to give his speech. Romney cut off McCain by coming out to give his victory speech while McCain was just at the beginning of his concession speech. And of course, all the news organizations cut away from McCain and went to Romney.
Seems like Romney has a pattern.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:36 am
If I remember correctly, the night of the Michigan primaries, McCain called Romney to concede and then went out to give his speech. Romney cut off McCain by coming out to give his victory speech while McCain was just at the beginning of his concession speech. And of course, all the news organizations cut away from McCain and went to Romney. Seems like Romney has a pattern.
Didn’t even congratulate McCain on his silver medal?
God, if he uses that stupid analogy in 2012, I swear I’m gonna…
It’s just one of those phrases that I never want to hear again. Like “Joe the Plumber,” or, at the moment, “Team of Rivals.”
November 20th, 2008 at 9:43 am
#6 – Are you saying you believe all things are predetermined? Calvinistic? I hope you don’t believe that. Are you saying you believe Obama won because God wanted him to?
November 20th, 2008 at 9:53 am
“If I remember correctly, the night of the Michigan primaries, McCain called Romney to concede and then went out to give his speech. Romney cut off McCain by coming out to give his victory speech while McCain was just at the beginning of his concession speech. And of course, all the news organizations cut away from McCain and went to Romney.
Seems like Romney has a pattern.”
…..And Baby Huck and baby Mc can’t get over it?
November 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am
#16-
I think God certainly allowed it and I don’t think he’s up in Heaven panicking going, “Oh my Me, what am I going to do? Obama’s in office.” Peopoe usually get the leadership they deserve as a nation, and I think sometimes you get bad leadership so that good leadership can come along later.
God also seems to have a fascination with healing cancer patients that pray to him. Amputees are apparently never deserving of being healed.
Actually someone I know of did regrow a finger after they wer prayed for. However, I suggeste we not get too deep into theology or we’ll never get this thread back on track…
November 20th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Actually someone I know of did regrow a finger after they wer prayed for. However, I suggeste we not get too deep into theology or we’ll never get this thread back on track…
…Oh. You say that you know someone that regenerated.
No commentary that I could possibly offer will make you look like a bigger sucker than what you just said.
You know someone that regenerated a finger?
No. You don’t.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:09 am
OK, that was a little harshly-worded!
But human regeneration…is not possible!
November 20th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Huckabee didn’t notice that Romney had conceded like an hour earlier?
November 20th, 2008 at 10:13 am
I am sure that the reason, you sanctimonious idiot, that Romney did not call and congratulate the Huckster on his campaign is that Huckster ran such a dis-honorable campaign in Iowa by (with his trade mark feigned innocence) highlighting that Romney was Mormon and Huck was a true Christian leader knowing that would get the attention of the large evangelical block. Charles Krauthammer called it simply “Un-American.”
And you and Huck take offense that Romney did not call up the good governor to congratulate him on running such a fine campaign! Fortunatley, we have learned who has class and maturity — and its not Huck.
The one thing I take delight in is that, as a result of the Huckster’s action during this part of the campaign, he is treated as the right wing wacko candidate who want to be our “Christian” leader with a cross in every home.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Sorry if I can’t feel much sympathy for Schmuckabee over the fact that he didn’t get a Congratulations from Mittens.
I mean, get over it. Honestly.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:16 am
#18 – Oh, I wholeheartedly agree that he allowed it! Its called free-agency. But, I personally believe he is quite unhappy about it also! Hey I ended with the Sarah word!
November 20th, 2008 at 10:20 am
I believe Mitt has been anything but snippety and peevish and backbiting’ish during his campaign. If something’s been done (like his contrast/attack ads), it’s been in-your-face. He just doesn’t strike me as the subtle manueverer that would “just happen to” (wink-wink) step into the limelight and kick the loser off the air.
Bottom line, I think he’s an honorable man and that slants my thinking to believing it was an honest accident.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:20 am
24 –
That is the Sarah Word.
That and, I believe, ‘again.’
November 20th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Adam,
I have no idea why you feel it is in your interest to constantly write about Huckabee and Romney’s feuding. It only makes Huckabee look more pathetic. I don’t think you are gaining any new sympathy’s. Just let it go, or you only continue to feed the mantra that Huckabee is a divider for the party.
It is also beyond me why we need 27 posts on Huckabee’s new book.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:24 am
I remember him cutting off McCain’s speech in MI. Good times. I wish, instead of the speech he was giving, it would have just showed a clip of McCain saying “You ARE the candidate of change” and then snickering like Monty Burns, THEN have Romney cut him off. Oh well, Romney deserved the hostility, he did try to peg McCain as supporting some kind of amnesty for illegal immigrants.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:30 am
#27: And I have no idea why the management of this blog would invite another member of Huck’s Army as a contributor. Adam will attempt to force feed us all 27 Chapters of Huck’s book — whether we want it or not (just like a good “true Christian”). Why the owner of this blog would allow someone to post reviews of all 27 chapters of Huck’s book is absolutely beyond me.
Ridiculous. Its one thing to have a contributor with the evangaleical viewpoint and also a Huck fan. To alow this sort of monopolization is incredible.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:31 am
25:
Actually he did exactly that to McCain in Michigan. It was actually pretty funny.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Ridiculous. Its one thing to have a contributor with the evangaleical viewpoint and also a Huck fan. To alow this sort of monopolization is incredible.
I don’t think it’s so much a monopolization as it is the fact that Adam is a highly prolific writer. Besides Doug Forrester, he’s the only Huck fan, and Doug isn’t a cheerleader. Most front-page posters loathe Mike Huckabee, especially me and Tommy Oliver. Aron and DaveG also loathe him, although they don’t go out of their ways to point it out.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:36 am
29.
Well in Adam’s defense, he does a good job, and this site only does better with more posts and content, and someone who supports Huck is fine with me, there is no shortage of Romney supporters. But like I said, we only need so much about Huck’s book and a re-ignition of 2008 feuds.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:38 am
32. Brett is a Huck supporter.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:41 am
33 – Ah, true. Not sure where he went off to, though. Brett, Mike Stubel, Michael Lawrence, Gary Matthew Miller and Gary Alterton haven’t been posting much. Or Clarence Claus. Hm…
November 20th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Adam, How many Huck posts is this in the past 2-3 days? I lost count. It’s not helping your guy.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:47 am
After attempting to use Romney’s religion against him in Iowa–a fact easily recognized by everyone at the time–do you really expect Romney to congratulate Huckabee?? Romney handled the obvious attack with as much class as anyone could possibly expect–but no one could expect him to congratulate Huck for such a despicable tactic.
And don’t bother with the ridiculous explanation given by Huck for inquiring of a reporter “whether mormons believe jesus and the devil are brothers” question. No one but a complete idiot would not recogize what Huck was doing in the Iowa campaign. It was readily apparent to everyone but hucksters what Huck was trying (successfully) to do.
Go ahead and tell us again how Huck was waiting for that congratulatory phone call from his opponent whose faith he had highlighted to win.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Live by religious identity politics, die by religious identity politics. When you appeal to what Sarah Palin called the “Real America,” you have to play by their rules. If they don’t like Romney because he’s a Mormon, then maybe Romney shouldn’t have decided to play their rules.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:03 am
IF I hear one more lame explanation about how the question to the NYT reporter was innocent, I will go NUTS!
Brian is right: NO ONE BUT A COMPLETE IDIOT WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHAT HUCK WAS DOING!!!
So please, Adam. DON’T BOTHER.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:04 am
I bet (and I hope) that Romney spends a lot less time this cycle sucking up to Evangelical Leaders who think they are more important than they are.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:17 am
#30
My post in #25 explains that I feel this was accidental, not on purpose.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Romney does not need to suck up to evangelical leaders. He did just fine with evangelicals. Often roughly splitting those votes with McCain and Huck and sometimes winning them. Romney had been out campaigning among them for a long time. Huck’s the one who is still upset that the leaders did not all come bow down before him since he was the “true “christian. Huck, however, has very little following except among some evangelicals.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:54 am
After reading this post and several others, I have come to the firm conclusion that Adam Graham is accustomed to swaying the uninformed.
That explains his fascination with Huckabee because that was his own methodology.
The other strategy seems to be, “if I post enough PR sunshine about Huckabee, people will start to buy it…”
Hey – hope that works for you.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
For a great “christian” leader Huckabee tends to forget the 10th commandment. You shall not covet. He also seems to forget the part about a Christian having kindness, humility and meekness. If you ask me the guy’s a horrible witness.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Jason.#27
To which I say, Amen!
Adam, Don’t you realize just how much Huckabee’s continuing sniping at Romney hurts Huckabee? Every time he slams Romney, it makes him look smaller and smaller. All Romney has to do is ignore him, and it makes Romney look bigger and bigger. Is this what you want?
Allow me to be blunt here. Huckabee made it a point to campaign as the “christian” in this past election. In some ads, he even referred to himself as a “Christian Leader”. How do you thinks it looks for a “christian”, espeically a “Christian Leader” not to forgive and forget? Don’t you think that nursing a very public grudge just might tend to diminish his argument that he is the “christian”? Who’s doing a better job at turning the other cheek, Romney or Huckabee? And Huckabee continues to go out of his way to point this out. Is he insane?!?
November 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I really wish Huckabee would stop being so petty and foolish. What other candidate would try and be so deceptive as saying they are trying to unite their party by writing a book about their own campaign for president? And why would anyone care to read it? Imagine how stupid and self-serving it would make Hillary Clinton look to bring up her past attacks on Obama.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Romney has more reason to write a book than Huckabee. Anti Mormon Robo calls, Ed Rollins calling for Romney to have his teeth
knocked in, the famous negative ad press conference, blogs infested with anti mormon rhetoric, Huckabee constantly hapring on his
wealth, McCain and Huckabee colluding in the WV caucus and on and on and on. Hucks victim act is so dillusional. I honestly think
he’s just frustrated because he hasn’t been able to stop Romney despite all his attacks. Think about it, by 2012, the Mormon
angle won’t even work anymore. What will be left? That Romney was effectively pro choice 8 years ago? This is just full blown
panic time and Huckabee knows he’s running out of options. It’s sad and pathetic really.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
In adam’s defense, most of the Huckabee posts over the last few days have been of a negative connotation… since I wrote most of em. So, this balances things out.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Huckabee opposed the bailout.
Romney supported the bailout.
To the open-minded around here: Who is more conservative??
November 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Most of the “Huckahaters” I’ve met don’t like Huckabee because he’s not in the loop. He’s not a country club Republican and that ticks off some people. For some reason, it seems like some people like supporting ego-centered candidates. Huckabee is not one, and that makes them mad…..
November 20th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Huckabee not EGO CENTERED? Oh that’s rich!
November 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Ben.#49“Most of the “Huckahaters” I’ve met don’t like Huckabee because he’s not in the loop. He’s not a country club Republican”
Ben, that smacks of snobbery. “They will never like Huckabee because they’re not one of us.”
And can you really, really say with a straight face that Huckabee is not an “ego-centered candidate”? Mister “HuckPAC” himself has no ego? Mister “Romney hurt my feelings, so I am going to tell everyone all about it whenever I get the chance” Huckabee is not ego-centered?
Come now, you don’t really believe what you just said, do you?
November 20th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Not quite so certain the Bailout can be framed as conservative/non-conservative- although I am certain people will try. I supported the first bailout too. We don’t live in a purely individualistic society, like it or not their is some collectivism.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Vetting Huck doesn’t mean you hate him or are guilty of blinded bias. It means you want the facts checked and the truth told.
And blinded bias isn’t necessary with Huck – he gives out way too many reasons to be vetted on his own.
#48 “To the open-minded around here: Who is more conservative??” (I smiled when you used the term “open-minded”.)
Answer: Overall – Romney
November 20th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Ben,
That has nothing to do with the reasons why I don’t like Huckabee.
Personally, I don’t like him because of his extreme fondness for nanny state policies, such as his ban on smoking, and his accusations of calling Romney (who I don’t support either) a flip flopper when he flip flopped as much, if not more.
Not to mention, he seems to believe that he has a mandate on Jesus Christ.
I mean, he’s pro-life and a Christian, and I can’t think of many other reasons to support him.. oh yeah, he likes the fairtax. That’s it. Nothing else. He talks the talk on immigration now, but his record on it was by far the worst among all the major candidates, including Rudy.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
If you apply the test of “By their fruits, ye shall know them”, I don’t think Huckabee is exactly crying out loudly that he is a Christian. Btw, isn’t it a pretty good sized lie to claim you have a Theology degree, when, you, in fact, have a communications degree? Yep, I thought so…
November 20th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Jason, with respect, I for one think the bailout issue is more ideological than immigration. However, I do not rule Mr. Romney out just because he voted the wrong way on the bailouts, it is not actually the most important issue.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
OHIO JOE – here is my thinking on that issue. I’ve my share of classes on economics, etc., but I personally don’t think I am nearly knowledgeable enough to make some decisions like the need to shore up our banking system. I don’t think many people in the world understand it well enough. Therefore, when extremely intelligent people tell us its required, and only politicians without great economic credentials say otherwise, I have to assume that it is necessary. I trust Romney to be intelligent enough to actually understand the situation, and he felt we Government had to step in, so I’ll have to go with him on that.
I have a question though, if someone on here knows enough to answer this. How do they come up with the 700 billion? Do they just print more money, or somehow borrow it from the federal reserve that someday has to be paid back? Isn’t what really happens, at least in the short run, that we just devalue the dollar pretty significantly? Help me out somebody, maybe econ grad student knows!
November 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
“Btw, isn’t it a pretty good sized lie to claim you have a Theology degree, when, you, in fact, have a communications degree? Yep, I thought so…”
That was one of the lamer attacks against Huckabee, I think he had a double major, a degree in Religion and one in communication. Theology and religion are synonyms and at least in my college the only difference between a theology degree and a religion degree is that for a theology degree you have to know the Biblical Languanges. Considering nobody really cares if he has a religion degree let alone wether it’s religion or theology, I don’t consider this a very big lie if one at all.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
“I don’t think it’s so much a monopolization as it is the fact that Adam is a highly prolific writer. Besides Doug Forrester, he’s the only Huck fan, and Doug isn’t a cheerleader. Most front-page posters loathe Mike Huckabee, especially me and Tommy Oliver. Aron and DaveG also loathe him, although they don’t go out of their ways to point it out.”
How do you become a front-page poster, Alex??? I agree wuth Adam mostly about Mike Huckabee, so it would be nice to have another pro-Huck voice here. I feel often left out of the discussions about Huckabee on this Republican blog. I hope Adam Graham (and Brett Passmore) dont feel abandoned. Because I join them largely on this issue.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Actually, no degree in religion either. That was part of his coverup lie. His campaign clarified that he had only a degree in speech and communications. He went on to seminary for a while and dropped out. It may not be a big deal t some, but to me a lie is a lie, and I think it was a pretty big one. He knew darned well he didn’t have it.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
“Vetting Huck doesn’t mean you hate him or are guilty of blinded bias. It means you want the facts checked and the truth told.
And blinded bias isn’t necessary with Huck – he gives out way too many reasons to be vetted on his own.
#48 “To the open-minded around here: Who is more conservative??” (I smiled when you used the term “open-minded”.)
Answer: Overall – Romney”
How about this? Neither man, given the makeup of their legislatures in Arkansas and Massachusetts, could govern as a full fledged conservative (ESPECIALLY on economics- taxes/spending). So, let us look at the statements they’ve made over the years to judge where they come from philsophically and then look at who got the most done for their respective states. That’s where the debate should be steered toward. This whole thing about “who checks off more boxes of the conservative platform?” is ridiculous and if applied to our great hero, Ronald Reagan, would’ve disqualified hat outsider, non-Beltway establishment type, tax-and-spend Governor of California.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
For all the grief Huckabee gets, people are right to point out that he didn’t support the bailout, while liberal McCain and Romney did.
Mike Huckabee has gone further than most, and called bailouts unconstitutional. He says it is unconstitutional for the government to bailout any private enterprise.
The bailout was pure socialism. Real conservatives knew this and were against it from the beginning.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
60, Well according to Wikipedia he got a Bachelor in Religion degree in four years. In responding to the allegation that he lied about his Theology degree, Huckabee clarified, that he had a religion degree with a minor in communication. So I still think this is a matter of semantics – he had a theology degree since it was in the field of theology, but it’s official title wasn’t Theology.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
63 – Here is the wiki.answers
What was Mike Huckabee’s GPA in college?
This depends on which degree you mean. He had a very high GPA for the degree he earned at OBU in Speech and Communications. He flunked out of seminary. He also claimed to have a 4.0 for an Associates in Theology at OBU (this is printed in the program from my college graduation) and to have graduated with high honors with a BA in Religion at OBU. He is no longer claiming to have these degrees.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
“Real conservatives” don’t offer to bailout illegal immigrants like Huckabee did in Arkansas. You know, pay their tuition bills with state funds…
November 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
#65: You talk about Romney as if he is an absolute conservative also even though he is not solidly pro-life, supports gay rights, supported Bush’s immigration plan (before he turned against it), and created a socialized healthcare system that is now bankrupting his state. I don’t define that as a “real conservative.”
November 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
All four of those are lies Ben….if you’re a Christian, you shouldn’t be spreading them.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
#65: With all due respect, you are making another accusation that you can not back up because it simply isn’t true. He was not trying to pay their tuition with state funds. He was just trying to give their children, who were American citizens, the same access to academic scholarships as other children in the state. It was not a special deal, just for illegal immigrants or their children. To be eligible for these scholarships, they had to meet certain academic criteria, just as any other child would have to do. His basic premise was to not punish the children for the sins of their parents.
November 20th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
#65
That is a legitimate issue and Huckabee was on the wrong side, but it is a different issue than the socialism recently adopted by the Republican Party.
November 20th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Oh Lord. I really wish honestly that both Romney and Huckabee would just fall off of the map politically. I did support Huckabee in 2008, for a lack of a “better” candidate….but my hope is that in 2012 we’ll have people like Sanford, Jindal, Ryan, Palin and maybe a few others that can be called honorable. For crying out loud! This wasn’t Ronald Reagan getting beat by a sitting president and then catupulting himself into the next election. It was several governors that had “identity” issues with the base. It was a maverick senator that had no “identity” issues, he just kissed the base off. We need to get as far away from these people as possible in 2012, or we will be doomed to repeat 2008.
Mitt Flopney
Mike Huckabiggot
Senator Old Guy
This is rediculous. People will never coalesce around these figures. Find someone better, get on board, launch them into stardom. There is plenty of up and comers in the GOP that have expressed a desire to be a part of the future. My hope for Huckabee is that he just keeps doing talk shows and the radio. My hope for Romney is that his PAC is successful and gets republicans back in power. My hope for McCain is to stop being an angry old man and become a real republican instead of a “RINO”.
I’ll call it now. Romney won’t win in 2012. Huckabee won’t win in 2012.
More than 60% of the people that visit this site are Romney supporters. How well did it work out for Romney last time that he had so much support? He’s a walking target. I hope he can get that fact, and PICK someone else. I’d like to see him be an influence, maybe even VP. But none of these guys belongs at the top of the ticket in 2012.
November 20th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
A great observation by Huckabee in his book:
“There should not be the disconnect between value voters and those who consider themselves the fiscal conservatives,” he said. “The truth is, most value voters are fiscal conservatives, but not all fiscal conservatives are value voters.”
November 20th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
I’ll call it now Romney will win easily in 2012.
It will be over by Florida.
Just like J/Mac got redemption in SC, Romney will get redemption in Florida.
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