July 8, 2009

Mavericks Make Good Leaders. They Make Poor Executives

Some people misconstrued my last post as suggesting that Mavericks are unprincipled and/or make poor leaders. That was not my point.

Mavericks often make excellent leaders. They seldom, however, make excellent executive leaders.

Executive leaders lead permanent organizations.  People are dependent upon the organization for their livelihood, even their lives sometimes. If the organization fails, people get hurt.  As Cary Grant said in Operation Petticoat, “the responsibilities [of executive leadership] far outweigh the privileges”.  Organizations grant power to their executives for the good of the organization, not the leader.  If the interests of the organization are not the interests of the leader, there is a problem.

Mavericks work best as ad hoc leaders. They identify a cause. They organize to realize the cause. They move heaven and earth to fulfill the cause.  The cause is fulfilled.  Any organization created to accomplish the task is then disbanded. They move on to the next cause.

This fits with their strong independent streaks. Mavericks tend to have little loyalty to any permanent organization — quite the opposite in fact.  They are often contemptuous towards them. They see them as binding and restrictive. They want to be free to pursue the causes they believe in using tactics as they see fit.

This describes John McCain to a tee. His career in the Senate has been one ad hoc cause after another. Often he was the chief driving force behind them. A good many of these efforts were successful. To say that John McCain was a poor leader is absurd.

His Primary Campaign was such an ad hoc cause. If it failed, it would disappear and people would move on. McCain, being a good leader, led it to victory.

Once he became the nominee, however, things changed. He was no longer the leader of his own little temporary group. He was the leader of the Republican Party, a very large diverse permanent organization. He could no longer do as he pleased, making decisions on his whim. He was now responsible to the group. That was brought home very forcibly to him with his unsuccessful attempt at making Joe Lieberman his VP pick. John no longer had the luxury of spitting in the eye of the party.  The party depended upon him to make the decisions best for the party

Like it or not, McCain was now the executive leader of the party. The novelty eventually wore off. By October it was obvious to just about everyone (and since confirmed by John himself and his senior lieutenants ) that they weren’t having much fun anymore.  They were just going through the motions.

I suspect McCain has learned his lesson. He is now happily back to being an ad hoc leader in the Senate. He will not be repeating a run for the Presidency. He won’t be in any hurry to stick his foot into that beartrap again.

That is why I suspect Sarah Palin is done running for President — as least for a while. She is a Maverick, too.  That was one of the big reasons McCain chose her in the first place, remember?  She has come to realize that it’s not a lot of fun being an executive leader with all the limitations, responsibilities, and other headaches that come with it. Resigning as Governor allows her to do what she does best, to serve as an ad hoc leader for causes she believes in while being free from the restraints of executive leadership of the State of Alaska AND the Republican Party.   She is smart enough to have realized it.   Her fans need to respect that and not try to force her into fulfilling their fantasies about her.  As it is, she is going to be one mean mamma of a leader for the causes dear to her heart.

Let Sarah be Sarah.

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87 Responses to “Mavericks Make Good Leaders. They Make Poor Executives”

  1. OHIO JOE Says:

    “Her fans need to respect that and not try to force her into fulfilling their fantasies about her.” Haha, to cbe clear, as good looking as Mrs. Palin is, I for one do not have the sexual fantasies about her that I do about my wife, but I admit that my political fantacies about Mrs. Palin are much greater than my wife. First I only agree with my wife politically about 91% of the time and she has made it clear to me that as involved as she is in the Republican party, she won’t even run for dog catcher. More to the point, while I do not agree entirely with your post MarK, I believe that at the end of the day Mrs. Palin needs to decide herself what to do, I can be there to support her in her political endevors, but I am not going to force her to run anymore than I would want anyone to force me to run. I much as I am a Palinite, I part company with my fellow camp members who feel personally betrayed by Mrs. Palin. We cannot force our political fantasies on anybody any more than we can force our sexual fantasies on people. We can support our favorite politicians, but if we truly support them, we cannot force them to run. The decision has to be theirs.

  2. Jason Says:

    We need sarah to run. Someone’s got to keep Huck fighting for his votes.

  3. Jonathan Says:

    #2:

    You mean to divide the anti-Romney vote. Romney should be praying desperately that both Huckabee and Palin run. Having the two of them run makes it that much easier for Romney to move in.

  4. Brian Says:

    And let Mitt be Mitt. You want an executive leader? There is no one better at fulfilling that post.

  5. Paulee Says:

    I, as a business person, have made huge blunders by taking a go getter, efficient, lead worker and made them a manager…Guess what happens…you ruin that wonderful worker…Some are great at firing up, cheer leading and others having been in the private sector business world, putting their money and hours of hard work into a venture only to either fail or be a huge success. It is one thing to lead and another to manage and lead a team..You are always answering to someone and you best have developed a thick skin…Never quitting, pressing on until you have reached your goals. Doing what others will not do. I tell you one thing, after Obama’s four years, we best have the most qualified individual the Republican’s have to offer.. Not pretend, the real deal…and I know that man is Mitt Romney 2012…..

  6. Alex Knepper Says:

    1 – No one was even talking about that. Shows where your mind is when it comes to Palin.

  7. OHIO JOE Says:

    With respect Jason, while I realize that the number of candidates in the race effect the dynamics of the race, Mr. Huckabee, Mr. Romney and Mr. Pawlenty are going to have to fight for vote whether or not Mrs. Palin is a candidate. Although I am starting give it some serious thought because of the reality of my political fanasies, I have not chosen my second choice yet and I suspect all 3 of you are going to have to fight for the Palinite vote as well as the Gingrichite vote.

  8. OHIO JOE Says:

    Haha Alex, I know what the word fantasy means. You do not like the analogy?

  9. marK Says:

    #1.

    Yes, OHIO, you are one of the sane Palin loyalists. “[F]orcing her into fulfilling their fantasies” also extends to twisting her words and actions into meaning and implying what they are not. And you have not done that. Far too many have.

    As Elizabeth Bennet said in Pride and Prejudice:

    “I would rather be paid the compliment of being believed sincere. I thank you again and again for the honour you have done me in your proposals, but to accept them is absolutely impossible. My feelings in every respect forbid it. Can I speak plainer? Do … consider me now … as a rational creature, speaking the truth from her heart.”

  10. Alex Knepper Says:

    “Her fans need to respect that and not try to force her into fulfilling their fantasies about her.”

    How on EARTH is that sexual, OHIO Joe?

    Rape fantasies about Da Guv?

    Er, ex-Guv. Well, not yet.

  11. Adam Says:

    We need sarah to run. Someone’s got to keep Huck fighting for his votes.

    I don’t think that’s true. I think Romney or some other skillful politician can run circles around her rhetorically. I just don’t think the woman is presidential material. She fails in every non-scripted setting. The only time she really was able to shine was at the GOP convention.

    Think about it.

    Couric interview – bombed
    Gibson interview – bombed
    Debate with Joe Biden – bombed, but she only appeared merely outmatched because of such low expectations
    Announcement of resignation – all over the place and generally bad.

    She is not presidential material. Just because she is generally conservative, pro-life and has great legs doesn’t mean she ought to be president. And just because Obama got nominated with a thin resume by a bunch of bleeding heart idealistic idiots on the Democrat side doesn’t mean that Palin is any more qualified to be the Republican candidate.

    She’s done. Elle est fini. Over.

  12. marK Says:

    #9,

    That was to Mr. Collins, a persistent suitor that wouldn’t take no for an answer, who kept insisting that she was just playing hard-to-get. He had convinced himself that she would readily agree to his proposals, and he couldn’t accept what she was saying.

    Sound familiar?

  13. DanL Says:

    marK, I have enjoyed your well thought out essays. Keep them coming.

  14. Adam Says:

    And aside from that, I am just not convinced that Huck can win any more real estate outside of the South. The South isn’t enough to clinch the nomination.

    I just don’t see Huck as much of a force to fear as some others do.

  15. wisetrog Says:

    The people on this website are pathetic. All they do is indulge in fantasizing about scenarios of the Evil Witch vanishing. Sarah’s sites don’t fantasize about Mitt vanishing away and not running. Grow a pair. Why are you so afraid of Sarah?

  16. DanL Says:

    14 Adam, I hope that you are right. But wouldn’t it tragic if you were wrong and Huck won the nomination?

  17. Alex Knepper Says:

    Why is it that every time someone criticizes Sarah Palin, her fans come out of the woodwork accusing you of being “scared” of her?

    You can’t have a coherent debate when one side just wants to accuse the other of being “scared.”

  18. OHIO JOE Says:

    Alex, I am sorry if my analogy was offensive, I was not trying to make this about rape, rather I was just agreeing that we cannot force people to do what we want (under most circumstances,) but I guess it came out wrong.

  19. Alex Knepper Says:

    18 – I know. I just found it, er, very strange — okay, not really (we all know that’s part of her appeal) — that you brought up sexual fantasies about Sarah Palin when absolutely no one was talking about that.

  20. DanL Says:

    15, afraid of the QUITTER? Hahahahahahahahaha. A month or so ago I said that I thought she could be a real threat to Romney in a one on one race. But not now. I want her to run because the only threat she poses is undermining Huck’s primary campaign.

  21. marK Says:

    #15.wisetrog,

    Well, my inclination is to take people at their word. What’s yours?

  22. Aron Goldman Says:

    Blame Society for Michael and Sarah
    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/tomh1/2009/07/blame-society-for-michael-and.php?ref=reccafe

    Coincidence. The timing of Michael Jackson’s literal, and Sarah Palin’s political, demise causes one to reflect on the lure, power, and blowback of the pursuit of fame.

    MJ was not just a brilliant entertainer, he sought to craft a public image of the unique, gifted genius, whom none of us but the faithful could understand. He was beyond the rest of us. His celebrity is part of his art. The costumes and outlandish behavior were fully contrived, if not fully controlled.

    Likewise, SP has sought to guide her image, more than guide her journey. She seems genuinely surprised that the broader public has a very different picture of her than the small group of allies and sycophants she travels with. The folksy populist fills the air with words and deprives it of ideas. She is not the ‘politics as usual,’ she’s the politics of ‘you betcha’.

    Both Jackson and Palin jumped into the fire of their own accord. But, neither was really able for the ride.

    Michael, of course is the past. His music will fade a bit in the next few weeks, leaving the ‘FreeCreditReport.com’ song to echo in my brain once again.

    Sarah, of course, remains. Watching her is like watching a strong, but riderless horse. She needs direction. She needs help. Being a People Magazine pol will not be fulfilling, even if she gets a good Fox News gig.

    If the Republicans had a stronger bench, we would never hear from her again.

    It’s not her fault anymore than it was Jackson’s. It’s our fault. I blame society.

    Letterman on Palin: “Something I Said?”
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/07/08/letterman_on_palin_something_i.html?wprss=44

  23. OHIO JOE Says:

    Ah, no we certainly do not always talk about fear Alex, but at times it applies. Furthermore, other camps have among other things played the fear card to use that term so it can be just as difficult to reason with an anti-Palinite.

    MarK, thanks for the term ’sane loyalist,’ but I do not think many of my fellow camp members are insane, but a few may have their loyalties misplaced.

  24. wisetrog Says:

    #20, apparently the QUITTER even after QUITTING can beat Romney in favoribility and tie with him in her chances for 2012. What’s wrong with your guy? Why is he tied with a QUITTER? Why can’t he capitalize on the QUITTING even though he and his minions launched a high-profile internet n MSM attack to demean Sarah; the same guy who doesn’t have the cojones to attack Barack Obama and fill the vacant leadership role in GOP but has enough time n resources to launch guerrilla attacks on a woman three years from the primaries? And Sarah still stands strong and ties with him in polls. She maybe a QUITTER, but he’s a LOSER.

  25. Tommy Boy Says:

    Some “intelligent” analysis on the polling data released since Palin’s announcement:

    Palin: First Reactions
    By Mark Blumenthal
    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/palin_first_reactions.php

    Gallup’s report notes, for example that they asked the same “likely to support” question Hillary Clinton in May 2005 and found 52% of registered voters at least somewhat to vote for her, including 28% very likely. Palin’s numbers are lower — 43% at least somewhat likely, including 18% very likely. However, as the chart below shows, Gallup had asked the same question about Clinton twice before (in 2000 and 2003), with varying results. The percentage that said they were “not likely at all” to support Clinton hovered at roughly the same level on all three of those surveys as the percentage that says the same about Palin now…..

    Again, we should treat these results as preliminary and hold off on firm conclusions until we have better, more comparable data based on more than few days’ reflection, but on first blush, it looks as those Palin’s resignation announcement made less of an impression on Americans than the punditry of the last few days might lead you to believe. Palin’s abrupt resignation probably confirmed or deepened existing impressions, but it does not appear to have changed many minds.

  26. Tommy Boy Says:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/romney_leads_among_gop_voters_with_fiscal_concerns

    “Those who say economic and fiscal issues are their biggest concerns make up the majority of Republican voters, and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney runs best among those voters if the 2012 GOP Presidential Primary in their state was held today.

    Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is the top choice for those Republicans who put national security first and ties Romney for first among voters who list economic issues alone as the priority. She runs second in nearly every other case with voters from all camps…..

    Thirty-three percent (33%) of GOP voters list economic issues such as jobs and economic growth as most important, followed by 27% who rate fiscal issues such as taxes and government spending that way. For 15%, national security issues are the priority, while 10% list domestic issues such as Social Security and health care as most important. Five percent (5%) say cultural issues such as same-sex marriage and abortion are number one.

    Among those Republicans who put economic issues first, Romney and Palin are tied with 24% support if the state primaries were held today. Huckabee is backed by 20%, and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich gets 15% of their vote.

    But Romney at 34% is far and away the favorite among those who say fiscal issues are most important, followed by Palin (24%), Huckabee (17%) and Gingrich (14%).

    Palin is first with 29% support among voters for whom national security is most important. Romney runs a close second at 26%, with Huckabee at 19% and Gingrich at 16%.”

  27. marK Says:

    #24:”Why can’t he capitalize on the QUITTING even though he and his minions launched a high-profile internet n MSM attack to demean Sarah;

    Oh, is that like the “fact that everyone knew” that the attacks on her character from within McCain’s campaign were all orchestrated by Mitt? Even though they were all traced to long-time McCain loyalists with no connection whatsoever to Romney?

    Yes, Romney does make a great boogy man, doesn’t he? Anything and everything thing that goes wrong with Palin just HAS to come from he and his “minions”, right?. Sorta like how Karl Rove engineered every bad thing that went wrong with the Democrats.

  28. Adam Says:

    24 “Trog”,

    You need to chill out, man. No one person can fill the vacant GOP leadership role. Romney is doing as much for the party as can be expected. Some of it is self-serving, sure. But the argument can be made that Palin’s incessant whining and playing the victim card for sympathy is no better. Whatever.

    Accept the fact that your girl is done in electoral politics. She’ll raise money east of the Rockies and west of the Appalachians for GOP candidates. But that is all she is going to do.

  29. OHIO JOE Says:

    Wisetrog, although you make good points, it serves little value to either of our camps to pick fights with the Romneyites. Let them pick the fight and it will be on them, we need to try to take the high road even though that is particularly difficult at this very moment.

  30. Tommy Boy Says:

    Why did Murkowski back off her initial tough statement?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24672.html

    “Even Palin’s Alaska colleague, Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, agreed — and Murkowski initially said she was “stunned” by Palin’s decision.

    On Tuesday, Murkowski said Palin “absolutely” could be a viable 2012 candidate, could effectively stump for 2010 GOP candidates and has an “incredible ability to galvanize people, to motivate people, to inspire people.” Murkowski said an “awful lot of people” think Palin could do more to raise her national profile by leaving Alaska — and Murkowski said her initial sour reaction was based on how Palin’s resignation could affect the state and on the fact that she was speaking from a satellite phone and could not go into detail.”

  31. OHIO JOE Says:

    Tommy Boy, to give you a heads up, I have sent word through another Palinite asking for your e-mail address.

  32. marK Says:

    OHIO,

    You were saying in #23? :-)

    Don’t let it get you down. We have our trogs, as well.

  33. Tommy Boy Says:

    Allen-Webb Redux?
    http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/07/allen-webb-redux.html

    Yesterday Ben Smith reported that George Allen has a book out next year and wondered if it’s the start of a political comeback.

    If he wanted to get his old Senate seat back from Jim Webb I think it would be a pretty competitive race. Last summer we tested an Allen-Webb rematch and found it basically a tie, with Webb leading 45-43. Webb’s approval rating at that point was 44%, and the poll we put out this morning found it in basically the same place, 46%.

    Given that Webb’s fortunes haven’t changed one way or the other in the last year I have to imagine Allen would still poll pretty competitively with him- I think we’ll take a look at it on our next Virginia poll.

  34. wisetrog Says:

    #29 teach the Romneybots that lesson too. Why are they always trashing fellow Republicans? Can’t they train their fire on Obama and his fascist agenda? No. They think it’s easy to hit a woman who is the only one with courage n spunk to hit Obama where it hurts. And if anyone complains, it’s whining. When they follow the eleventh commandment, we will too. If not, no.

  35. Jonathan Says:

    #33:

    Webb’s win was a fluke. True, Virginia has gotten distinctly bluer in the last few years, Webb won because 1.) It was a Dem year and 2.) Allen made his stupid “maccaca” remark which was broadcast to everyone in Virginia by the MSM. If McDonnell wins the Governorship this fall againts Craig Deeds, than Webb will be in trouble.

  36. Aron Goldman Says:

    Palin: A Nixon-esque retirement, or is she really done?
    Palin can’t stand the heat, takes refuge in kitchen
    by Katherine Mangu-Ward
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-oew-manguward-reynolds8-2009jul08,0,3516143,print.story

    Here’s the thing about running for office: People are going to talk a lot of smack about you. This is how it has always been, especially in America, where even our founding fathers (and their press surrogates) were masters of the insulting putdown. A Thomas Jefferson-friendly newspaper labeled George Washington a “debaucher of the republic” and called John Adams “a ruffian deserving of the curses of mankind.” And modern historians were hardly the first to note Jefferson’s fondness for slave Sally Hemings.

    When Sarah Palin complains that people are spreading lies about her — shocking untruths that cast aspersions on her intelligence, integrity and fecundity — she is right, but it’s like a stripper complaining about catcalls. There’s a reason lifelong politicians are often self-important blowhards (cf. Joe Biden) — a Kevlar ego is an asset come election season. This is how we choose our candidates: It’s the folks who remain standing after everyone digs dirt, turns it into mud and slings it.

    If Palin is resigning now because she’s trying to get ahead of a scandal, then the system — as painful as it may be for those inside it — worked. The useful, brutal mechanism of bitter partisanship ferreted out another corrupt or inept pol, discovering failings that would have remained hidden in a gentler, kinder world.

    If, on the other hand, Palin really is resigning to spend time with her family, then I, for one, am profoundly disappointed. In a previous Times Dust-Up, I praised Palin for being a conservative superwoman who sparked some fascinating soul-searching in movement feminism. She breast-feeds during conference calls! She gives news conferences while in labor! She finds time to jog! So when Palin offers boilerplate explanations about family time in her resignation speech, it means something altogether different than when it comes from a person with a Y chromosome. When Palin says it, it means, “Gee, being a mother of five, governor of a large state, author and candidate for national office is more than I can handle. Especially when everybody is being so mean to me.”

    Palin’s right that her kids probably would have been better off never having heard, as she put it, “their baby brother Trig mocked by some pretty mean-spirited adults.” But her constant complaints about unfair attacks made her look, at best, like a whiny girl. At worst, she seemed to believe a bizarro version of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s “vast right-wing conspiracy.” She probably was the victim of a double standard; her clothes and kids got more scrutiny than did her opponents’. But that’s the way the teething cookie crumbles, lady.

    If Palin tried and failed to “have it all” and then chose family over politics, she may have made the right choice for herself. But Palin also made it harder to take the next female presidential contender seriously. Doubly so if she’s a family-values Republican, from whom the words “resigning to spend more time with my family” have the ghastly ring of potential sincerity.

  37. wisetrog Says:

    #20 Adam:

    Accept the fact that your girl is done in electoral politics. She’ll raise money east of the Rockies and west of the Appalachians for GOP candidates. But that is all she is going to do.

    Yeah? Can I say you’re fantasizing?Did you miss hearing about her Auburn visit when she pulled 20,000 people to a non-political rally? Do you know where Auburn, NY is? I am pretty sure it’s not east of the Rockies and west of the Appalachians. We’ll see when she pulls thousands to the rallies of GOP contenders in 2010 to take back the house and your boy Mitt Romney pulls 50 people. After offering free pizza.

  38. jerseyrepublican Says:

    I have to agree with Wisetrog. The majority of Romney supporters, on this site, take every opportunity to belittle Palin and every other candidate that could stand in the way of Romney. This is why I stopped coming coming to this site. I do not believe Romney will be our nominee and I don’t care too much for Romney either but the incessant stabs at every other candidate does get old and obviously shows they are afraid of him not winning the nomination yet again. As if it’s Palin’s or Huckabee’s fault that Romney is uncharismatic and kind of a bore.

  39. Aron Goldman Says:

    Hurrah for Sarah Palin, America’s best quitter
    By Reg Henry
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09189/982416-154.stm#ixzz0KhCmAGE0&D

    Because so many in the media will never understand that it’s all about country when it’s all about Sarah Palin, I want to commend the outgoing Alaska governor in the warmest terms.

    Certainly, she gave us all a start there when she announced her resignation last week at a backyard news conference, perhaps to a distinguished group of garden gnomes. (A very maverick thing to do).

    How we would miss her if she left the national stage! Why, we would have to put a wig on Newt Gingrich to have any hope of hearing anything so stylishly goofy.

    Yes, Sarah Palin is the best. Personally, I love the way she is always blaming the media for her own troubles. This is very flattering to those of us still in the business.

    At the very moment when newspapers in particular are lame old dogs with more accountants than fleas hopping about on their backs, it is great to be told that we still have some bark worth worrying about.

    Of course, she also gets riled up about bloggers and those ingrate citizens who file ethics complaints against her or indeed anybody who ventures the slightest criticism of her wonderfulness. She is beyond thin-skinned. She is translucent.

    My first worry when I heard the news of her resignation is that America would be deprived of her leadership. In her speech she gave her reasons for leaving “candidly and truthfully,” which was why nobody could understand what the heck she was saying. The thing was more of a puzzle than a moose wearing a scarf and earmuffs.

    You see, her critics are content with “politics as usual.” But Ms. Palin is a practitioner of politics as unusual. This is part of her special charm. She has un-tethered words from their meanings, much as a salmon fisherman might cast off a troublesome net.

    The usual speeches by the usual politicians are like rivers that rise in the mountains of high dudgeon and wind their way through the patriotic lowlands to empty at last into a sea of platitudes and false promises.

    Ms. Palin’s recent speech, however, did not have any discernible course. It was all eddies and cross currents. You could have sent a party of English teachers, wearing pith helmets, out to trace its meanderings, parse its structures, deconstruct its constructions and plumb its depths, and they would have come home defeated without a pithy conclusion, this despite the pith helmets.

    Who else in our national life could say with a straight face, “Some Alaskans don’t mind wasting public dollars and state time. I do.” Who are these time-wasting and squander-happy Alaskans exactly? They sound like people I might like to have a drink with. I have never met anybody as brazen as that, even in Pennsylvania, where lawmakers have raised inertia from a physical law to a high art.

    I suppose most of us don’t get out enough to meet interesting characters but Ms. Palin is doing it for us. It takes a special talent to declare that going to Kosovo to meet the wounded soldiers fortified her resolve to give up because the troops are bold and won’t give up and won’t waste time.

    And that sort of thinking, if I can dare to use such a stuffy old word like thinking, is a huge favor she has bestowed upon the nation. For too long, we have been restrained by silly catch phrases such as “when the going gets tough, the tough get going.” Well, that was a silly attitude.

    How refreshing to note that when things got tough for our Sarah in Alaska, she got going to the exits. She did not go with the flow. She made her own flow, which flowed out the door.

    Everywhere in America, people’s inner quitter found a new role model. At one stroke, cut and run became respectable. Those who persist in doing the job they signed on for can now say to “heck with it” because they are just wasting their time and practicing business (or politics) as usual.

    Fortunately, it seems that Ms. Palin is not leaving us — she later explained that she is just heeding a “higher calling.” I certainly understand that. I sometimes get a higher calling when I am out in my back yard resting on my chaise. It is from Mrs. Henry telling me to get up and mow the grass.

    But Sarah Palin’s calling is higher than that. She seeks to advance the conservative cause in the nation. Hurrah! Bring it on, to quote a great conservative president who reduced the GOP to a remnant. Everybody who is dying for a laugh is with her.

  40. Adam Says:

    37,

    Auburn is actually kinda pretty. Except for all the crows. Anyway Palin had crowds swell to tens of thousands in Pennsylvania last year too. Except Obama won the Keystone State by double digits. You do know where Pennsylvania is, right?

    The crux of the point still stands. She’ll rev up the base. Hey – that’s all to the good. After all, you and I are on the same team. But she quit midway through her first term. She’s not going to recover from that.

  41. Adam Says:

    For an interesting read,

    http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.htm?programID=06-P13-00003&segmentID=7

  42. Aron Goldman Says:

    Palin’s Peculiar Family Values
    by Sally Quinn
    http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/sally_quinn/2009/07/palins_peculiar_family_values.html

    I did not understand one word of what Sarah Palin said in her 18-minute resignation speech the other day. I really tried. What I got out of it is that she wants to spend more time on the issues she cares about, energy independence and national security. It wasn’t until the end of her incoherent explanation that she mentioned that her children were all in favor of her stepping down. One of the reasons, she said, was because they were upset that their 14-month-old brother Trig, who has Down Syndrome, was “mocked and ridiculed by some pretty mean spirited adults.”

    I’d like to know the names of those mean-spirited adults who mocked and ridiculed her special needs child. I don’t believe it for a second. I think what she is talking about is that she was criticized for the way she dealt with her pregnancy with Trig and her caregiving of him after his birth.

    Remember, Sarah Palin is a right-wing, evangelical Christian for whom “family values” and the role of the mother are paramount. Many right-wing Christians don’t believe women should work outside the home. Yet here was Sarah Palin, resigning as the governor of Alaska, for political reasons.

    This is not putting your family first. We should not be surprised.

    This is a woman who hid her pregnancy until the last two months, and who was so ambivalent about having a Down syndrome child that she admittedly contemplated aborting her child (wasn’t it nice that she had the choice to do that?). This is a woman who took off in an airplane from Arizona to Alaska after her water broke and barely made it to the hospital to deliver Trig. This is a woman who accepted the nomination for vice president with a three-months-old special needs child (all studies show that the mother’s role in infancy, especially for these children, is crucial) and an unwed 17-year-old daughter pregnant by another high-schooler.

    This is a woman who took her children to the convention and paraded them on the stage, including Trig, (not in bed until late hours) and pregnant Bristol and her soon to be announced fiancé (“whatever”). This is a woman who then spent two months on the road, relentlessly campaigning, dragging the baby around with her (or not with her).

    This is a woman who continued to exploit her children while she was running, and afterward, whenever she was criticized or they made a good photo op. After the election, she continued to travel, doing television, speaking and partying, making sure she stayed in the limelight. When her extended dysfunctional family, including the father of her daughter’s baby, began to surface, she blew that up into a major media event instead of keeping her silence. She then encouraged Bristol to sign up with the Candie’s foundation to go on a promotional tour with her baby to promote teen abstinence. By doing so Bristol became an adult public figure, making her a legitimate target for public criticism.

    Yet when David Letterman made his remark about her daughter being knocked up, Palin blew it up into a national media fest which lasted for a week. Letterman rightly apologized, and acknowledged that he was not referring to her younger daughter but to Bristol. Palin knew that Letterman was making a joke about Bristol, but she still dragged poor Willow into the mud as well.

    Now Palin has resigned as governor. Why? Who knows? She gave so many excuses that one was left reeling. The clearest one was that it was good for the state of Alaska. Again she created another needless media storm, with another photo op surrounded by her children, including Trig, her Down syndrome child. She has been roundly criticized but also has managed to keep the spotlight on herself for nearly a week. She has signed a lucrative book contract, in which I’m sure she will discuss faith and family values. Her ghost writer is a senior writer at the Christian conservative magazine “World”. And there will be a special edition by the bible publishing house Zondervan.

    I don’t know what Palin has in mind. Maybe she’ll run for President, maybe she won’t. I couldn’t care less. What I do feel sad about is her missed opportunity.

    She could have stood up in front of her family and said one thing that everyone would have understood and everyone would have applauded. It would be the greatest cliché of all time and for once it could have been true. She could have said, simply, “I’m leaving so that I can spend more time with my family.” And she could have elaborated. She could have said that from now on she would use her immense celebrity, her power, her charisma, her popularity among a huge base of Christian conservatives to educate people and advocate for children with special needs.

    It might seem exploitative of Trig to some who are so cynical about her that they believe everything she does is for self-aggrandizement. So what? But if she really did it she could change the our culture and the way our world views those with disabilities. She would not only be helping millions of people around the world, but her own child as well.

    Leaving her job because it’s better for “the state” or to pursue her interest in energy or national security is laughable.

    Sarah Palin should live up to her self-proclaimed Christian “family values” and do what she says is the moral thing to do: put her family first and help those who cannot help themselves.

  43. jerseyrepublican Says:

    I don’t understand these articles? They will try every little spin to make her look weak and/or stupid. What if she was calculating the best possible course for to take for her and her family’s future? What if by doing that she is actually helping the Alaskan people by not standing in the way of progress for their state? What if in the process she helps the nation by helping conservatives get elected? What if, in the process, she shows the electorate just how capable she is and how much better our nation could be with proper leadership? It could be very dangerous to underestimate Sarah Palin. Beauty Queens and the popular kids usually come out ahead in life. SOme of them even surprise us!

  44. Tommy Boy Says:

    Palin numbers send mixed messages
    http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/07/palin-numbers-send-mixed-messages.html

    “Our newest national poll finds that Sarah Palin has actually gained in popularity but hurt her prospects for some day being elected President since announcing she will resign early as Governor of Alaska last week.

    46% of Americans view Palin favorably, with 45% holding a negative opinion of her. In monthly surveys conducted between April and June her favorable rating was in the range of 42-43%.

    The slight increase in popularity is fueled by the number of Republicans with a positive view of her increasing from 75 to 79%. She is static with independents and slightly down with Democrats.

    When it comes to whether she’s fit to be President though, 55% of voters in the country say no with just 37% in the affirmative. And asked specifically how her early resignation affects their inclination to some day support her for the White House, 57% of respondents say it makes them less likely to do so compared to 30% who say it makes them more likely to vote for her.”

  45. jerseyrepublican Says:

    Adam, I am afraid you better get into the 21st Century and understand that politics are no longer the same as they were even 10 years ago. Borat could probably become President today if he was marketed properly.

  46. Aron Goldman Says:

    How will Sarah Palin’s resignation affect book sales?
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24650.html#ixzz0KhG5UcIl&D

    Letterman on Palin: “Something I Said?”
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/07/08/letterman_on_palin_something_i.html?wprss=44

  47. OHIO JOE Says:

    Look wisetrog, I am not sure if I should say all what I am about to say, but I let it out anyways. Let’s just say if these events had unfolded a few weeks ago, I might have already joined the Pawlenty camp in part out of spite. Depending on how the cookie crumbles, I may yet become a quazi-Pawlentyite, but I at least want to be sure that such a move would not be hurtful to the country. I’ve had my share of run-ins with Romneyites over the past few years and it is no secret that I resent some elements of their camp. To be honest some parts of the country (not all) that one might say are Romney states are let’s say not my favorite parts of the country. I guess just like some Romneyites look down on my state. I am not going to mention were I went on vactation, but arguaeble, Romneyites claim this corner of the country their territory. Even one my Palinite friends said “my condolences, I bet it was your wife’s idea to go their for vacation.” Well, my mini-vacation was somewhat of a life changing experience in many different small ways. To be honest, I did not talk a whole of politics to the locals, but I certainly met a few people. I was thankful for my little vacation and I was thankful for the blessing back home in Ohio. After talking to a few local people, I learned that they too had hopes and fears and dreams like the rest of us and so forth. While I still cannot ever see myself as a Romneyite (I still resent some elements of their camp) I am open to at least voting for him in the primary if that happens to be the best option of the remaining choices come primary voting time.

  48. still hurting in AZ Says:

    First of all, the real value of a maverick is grossly overstated. John McCain would have been the WORST president ever. He has shown his incompetence to lead repeatedly. The only advantage is that DC would be in such a cluster right now that they’d be doing nothing, a much preferred alternative to the socialist coup that is going on there now.

    If, on the other hand, you mean by “maverick” that a person is highly principled and follows their own compass, regardless of the prevailing wind, then that is a different thing, maybe. True, one can sail against the wind. But it only becomes leadership if you can convince the other sloops to sail with you.

    I admire Mrs. Palin. I think she has great talent and potential. She did not choose to thrust into the spotlight at that inopportune time, though she did consent. She may yet become a great national leader. I wish her much good luck as she plots a course that may help her accumulate experience, understanding, and wisdom. And, if she presents herself again to us, with the obvious accumulation of those treasured personal assets, I should be happy to support her.

    But the willingness, nay commitment and conviction, to do it your own way usually ends in you doing it alone.

  49. Aron Goldman Says:

    Pawlenty and presidential run: A top-five candidate
    http://www.minnpost.com/ericblack/2009/07/08/10098/pawlenty_and_presidential_run_a_top-five_candidate

    Gov. Pawlenty took his aborning presidential quest to the deep-thinking Aspen Ideas Festival over the holiday weekend and attracted very little attention. Wash. Post political blogger Chris Cillizza didn’t even mention Pawlenty as one of the winners (or losers) from the Sarah Palin weird-out, although I would say Pawlenty definitely benefits (as he also benefitted from Mark Sanford’s political death).

    Pawlenty is increasingly positioned as a potential Repub prez candidate who is at least acceptable to all the wings of the party base, without having a major biographical or reputational blot that he needs to overcome. (I know that liberals think his record as governor is a reputational blot, but I’m talking about as viewed by the conservative/Republican electorate.) His major weaknesses, starting out, are national name ID and national fund-raising network.

    Anyway, for my money, he is a top-five candidate for the 2012 Repub nomination but he is flying mostly below the radar screen for the time being. And that seems to be fine with him. Here’s audio of what the governor said as Aspen, via MPR. Also, a site maintained by the Aspen Festival contains six quotes attributed to the governor in which he appears to continue his recent pattern of coming across as down-home, likeable, churchy but not too churchy, favoring conservative ideas but not specific ideas that he wants to talk about just yet, and a contrast to unnamed others who hurt the Republican Party because they come across as angry and extreme.

    Here are the quotes (they are full text as provided by that Aspen website):

    “Regardless of whether you’re a Republican, Democrat, Independent, or Green, there’s a certain amount of human frailty. All of us should be hesitant to be self-righteous.”

    “I tend to be more in the McCain camp than in the nuanced camp.”

    “The Republican Party needs to be more optimistic, positive, and hopeful. Nobody wants to follow cranks.”

    “The Republican Party on the whole will remain a conservative party. But we need to do a better job of explaining why those values matter.”

    “When you’ve got Hillary Clinton on rhetorical bended knee begging China to pay for our debt, that should tell you something.”

    “When you watch cable news shows, you don’t need the voice and the message of the Republican Party to come from some ticked off guy.”

    Late morning update: I have to confess, when i wrote this post this a.m., I wasn’t aware that MPR had broadcast the whole Aspen appearance. When we found that out, we quickly added a link and now I’ve just spent the last hour listening to the interview. I stand by everything I said above and here are some more reactions based on the whole feed:

    Former congressman Mickey Edwards, a very smart, deep conservative, asked the questions and did a great job. He tried just assuming that Pawlenty was auditioning for president. After a while, he tried just begging Pawlenty to announce that he wanted to be president. Pawlenty didn’t take the bait. On the fourth of fifth round, Pawlenty said: “To run for president, you have to be famous, wealthy or have novelty and I have none of that.”

    Pawlenty is very, very buttery smooth. He is skillful at weaving long answers that don’t sound evasive of the question but leave lilttle to argue about. He refuses to be taken where he doesn’t want to go, which is into a lot of specifics. I suppose this also contributes to a lack of charisma, although he has that likeable, authentic thing going pretty much all the time.

    Then just when I thought he was going to spend a whole hour without committing himself to any specific ideas, he went quite deep on education, then on energy. Even on those, just sounded smart at a detailed level but left very little that any but a very committed liberal could really take issue with.

    Edwards asked him about his general philosophy of whether government is the problem or the solution. Pawlenty: “Government should be limited and effective.” (Details to come.) Edwards pushed Pawlenty to identify his key issue. “Educational accountability.”

    The tone thing: One of Pawlenty’s favorite topics and one that shows his advantages over sharper edged Repubs. Pawlenty on what he learned from Ronald Reagan: “Be hopeful and optimistic and positive and civil.”

    McCain: I was struck by how often Pawlenty cited McCain as having the right approach. Republicans who bolted the party in 2008 to protest against Bush for things like Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib missed the boat because McCain already stood against torture and favored closing Guantanamo.

    During the Dem convention in Denver last year, Pawlenty had good reason to believe that he was just hours away from being on the McCain ticket. Then he was sent home from Denver (or left in anger after learning that Sarah Palin won the veepstakes) and has, with very few exceptions, maintained a good soldier, deep public loyalty to McCain and everything for which McCain stood.

    On foreign/military policy, Pawlenty clung close to McCainism, and associated himself, quite gently actually, with those who think Obama should have used tougher rhetoric about the Iranian elections and other international issues. Pawlenty has a certain Palin problem, being a governor, of lack of accomplishments in this area. He does talk about the foreign trips he’s made to visit the Minnesota guardsmen and all, but has a way of mentioning it that is harder to ridicule than Palin’s you-can-see-Russia-from-Alaska version.

    On Bush, Pawlenty said historians will view him more kindly than we do now, but he didn’t find much to praise other than no-more-attacks-after-9/11 and Pawlenty said Bush betrayed core Republican values with big spending programs that ran up the deficit.

    Pawlenty even used the word “hypocrisy” to describe Bush’s fiscal record, with the slightly safe cop-out intro: “some would say hypocrisy.” But then the strong principled statement: “If we are going to be a party of spending restraint, and spending discipline… we have to match up our words with some deeds.”

    It does seem that running, in general, against the growth of government spending, may be a key for TPaw. Not that all Republicans won’t have the same position, but it matches his record and he has a boatload of statistics memorized to make the case that government growth can’t go on forever. He generally avoids attack dog mode when trying to establish his complaints about Obamaism. But not on the spending issue. Pawlenty at Aspen:

    “We are going to have the federal government equivalent of the mortgage meltdown within the next 25 years… You cannot defy indefinitely the fiscal laws of gravity.”

  50. jerseyrepublican Says:

    #48 – eloquently put! I do not know Sarah Palin personally but, from what I do know of her, she doesn’t seem to be the type of person who quits and gives up. This is why I believe this is the strategic, beginning of the next chapter of her life and the beginning of a successful Presidential run. I really do not believe she will let herself go down as a quitter or a laughing stock, as other’s have put it, in the public’s eye…she just doesn’t seem like the type!

  51. DanL Says:

    jersetrepiblican: “I have to agree with Wisetrog. The majority of Romney supporters, on this site, take every opportunity to belittle Palin and every other candidate that could stand in the way of Romney.”

    It’s good to see that facts still don’t find a home in your brain. I have defended Palin in the past, and as recent as a month ago she was my #2 consideration. I have spoken favorably of Jindal, Sanford, Barbour, Gingrich, Giuliani, Thompson, Pawlenty. Most of us Romney supporters have spoken well of other candidates.

    I have spoken out strongly against Sanford since his affair. I have lost tons of respect for Palin since she outted herself as a quitter.

  52. wisetrog Says:

    #37, Pennsylvania is a state that no Republican has won in some time but she did bring out the crowds in Montana and Missouri and both voted for Mccain/Palin you know. Missouri’s own lt.governor admitted that.

    All you Romneybots, what are you laughing at? Palin lost to Obama, Romney lost to Mccain. Oh, I know, only if that evil Huckabee had not tag-teamed with Mccain, Romney would have won everything. Bunch of whiners. And when you call Palin is whining when she took a shot at letterman, it looks like projection to me.

  53. DanL Says:

    wisetrog, I really, really, really want Palin to run. She is the new Howard Dean. Her self destruction will be immensely entertaining. The only problem is that she may hurt the party in the process by making the rest of us look bad by party ID.

  54. wisetrog Says:

    Don’t mimic the Massachusetts Way on health care reform
    By: IRWIN M. STELZER

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/IrwinStelzer/Don_t-mimic-the-Massachusetts-Way-on-health-care-reform-7917580-49727752.html

    In 2006, Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was hailed as a visionary for signing one of the most expansive health reform bills in the country. “MassCare” aimed to expand health insurance, achieve universal coverage, and bring down costs through a complicated set of government controls and subsidies.
    Just over three years later, many lawmakers are pointing to the Bay State as a model of success — and pushing for similar policies at the national level.
    The reform packages put forward by both the President and Democrats in Congress contain many of the essential elements of MassCare, including an individual mandate requiring most residents to purchase insurance; a “pay or play” rule forcing businesses to contribute to employee health insurance or pay a tax penalty; expansions of the public insurance system; and new
    restrictions on the insurance underwriting process.
    But implementing the MassCare model nationally would be a mistake. While the percentage of uninsured Bay Staters has dropped to 2.6 percent (from about 6 percent), the state has never adequately addressed what causes people to go without insurance in the first place: the cost of health care.
    In fact, a substantial portion of Massachusetts’ newly insured still can’t afford to purchase even basic medical services, and are effectively no better off than before the law’s passage. Meanwhile, government health spending is spiraling out of control, adding to the state’s already massive public debt.
    The numbers are staggering. In seven of the last eight years, per-capita health spending in Massachusetts has increased faster than the national average, according to Alan Sager, a professor of health policy at Boston University.
    Overall health insurance costs in Massachusetts are almost a third higher than the national average, with a basic plan costing almost $17,000 for a typical family of four. Nearly 30 percent of Massachusetts residents report that their medical costs have increased since MassCare’s implementation.
    It’s a similar story for government healthcare spending. Public health insurance expenditures are expected to be up 42 percent, to roughly $595 million, this year compared to 2006.
    The centerpiece of Massachusetts’ 2006 health reform bill is Commonwealth Care, a government program that provides free and subsidized insurance plans to low- and moderate-income patients. It’s spending has doubled in the last two years, jumping from $630 million in 2007 to an estimated $1.3 billion in fiscal year 2009.
    Last year, rising costs lead Commonwealth Care officials to approve a 12 percent rate increase, meaning that basic insurance costs will cut even deeper into the incomes of most participating patients.
    The national recession has brought added financial stress to MassCare. As State Treasurer Timothy P. Cahill recently put it, the system “was expensive, even in good times. In tough times.it just doesn’t seem doable. We’re all still waiting for the savings.”
    And employers, now required to contribute to employee coverage or pay a tax penalty, are drowning under ballooning healthcare costs. Indeed, businesses that sponsor high-quality insurance plans have seen annual rate increases of 10 to 15 percent since MassCare’s inception. This has made it harder and harder for businesses to stay in the state. And it’s made the state less
    attractive for entrepreneurs and investors.
    So what are Massachusetts residents getting for all that money? About 432,000 people previously without insurance are now covered, dropping the state uninsured rate to just 2.6 percent — the lowest in the nation.
    But many of the newly “insured” still can’t access medical care. In fact, over the last 12 months, about 10 percent of state residents failed to fill a prescription, missed a payment on a medical bill, or skipped essential medical care.
    The reason? As Harvard Medical School professor Dr. David Himmelstein explained, “Many of the policies out there have such huge copayments and deductibles that people can’t afford care.” In other words, many patients are nominally “insured,” but they’re spending so much on coverage that they can’t afford the most basic medical services.
    Indeed, the least expensive policy for a young family of four costs about $9,500 annually. But that family will have to pay a $3,500 deductible before many of their benefits kick in.
    Because of these costs, 23 percent of the patient population still relies on emergency room (ER) care for basic medical treatments, the same percentage as before MassCare was implemented in April 2006.
    Between 2005 and 2007, the number of ER visits increased seven percent, and total ER costs have gone up 17 percent over the last two years. Most disturbingly, patients on
    state-subsidized insurance use ER care 14 percent more than the average Bay Stater. Hospital officials have calculated that half of patients visiting the ER could have had their ailments addressed by a regular primary care doctor.
    The bottom line is that expanding the Massachusetts model nationwide would be a disaster. It might reduce the number of Americans without insurance. But healthcare costs would become an even bigger problem, making medical care unaffordable for millions and resulting in denied care for many Americans.
    Democrats eager to emulate the Bay State experiment on the national stage should think again. New government controls and spending won’t do the trick. If we’re serious about bringing down costs, we need to focus on patient-centered solutions to play a bigger role in our healthcare system.

  55. jerseyrepublican Says:

    DanL – I’m not sure I was including you as one of those Romney supporters but if the shoe fits… “It’s good to see that facts still don’t find a home in your brain,” I’m assuming you meant that it is a shame that facts still haven’t found a home in your brain. It’s statements like that which shows the intellectual heft that you represent. Good luck with your candidate of choice, I do not feel he will win but for you sake and for the dozens of egg’s, that will be all over your face, sake…I wish you luck!

  56. OHIO JOE Says:

    Oh, please DanL, this is rather entertainer in and of itself to compare Mrs. Palin to Mr. Dean. Whatever float your boat.

  57. OHIO JOE Says:

    Yes, Wisetrog, the healthcare situation in MA is surely troubling. Let’s just hope the other 49 of us do not get it even worse.

  58. marK Says:

    #52.wisetrog,

    Yes, unfortunately a few Romney supporters have taken to whining and complaining about unfair tactics. However, at least we can say our candidate has never indulged in “woe-is-me”. That’s something.

    Can you say the same?

  59. Adam Says:

    #37, Pennsylvania is a state that no Republican has won in some time but she did bring out the crowds

    Ok. But you mentioned the crowd in Auburn to demonstrate how it might translate into electoral support. My contention is that the crowds mean not all that much. Now it seems that you agree with me.

    I have no idea whether or not Romney would have “won everything”. But your girl never even had to debate her GOP peers in a primary contest. Let’s just say it’s far from clear that she wouldn’t have “lost to McCain” just like Romney.

  60. Illinoisguy Says:

    Jersey and wisetrog – you must be kidding me. I’ve seen Romney people try to say something even a little bit positive toward Mitt on C4P, and they get massacred…same way with freerepublic….go whine somewhere else!!

  61. wisetrog Says:

    #53. Whatever. I am just shaking my head wondering how bad must a candidate be to lose to Mccain after spending millions of silver-spoon trust fund money?

  62. OHIO JOE Says:

    Of course Mrs. Palin would have lost to Mr. McCain, but of course Mr. Romney would also have lost to Mr. Obama. It was TARP after all that essentially cost us the election one way or the other.

  63. Tommy Boy Says:

    Ohio,

    My e-mail address is: aycc98@u.washington.edu

    What is it that your friend wants to discuss?

  64. OHIO JOE Says:

    Thanks Tommy Boy, I will e-mail you tonight off line so to speak.

  65. wisetrog Says:

    #59, I mentioned her bringing crowds in the context of 2010 elections. I am pretty sure lots of contenders want Sarah to campaign for them and she can bring back the house to GOP on her own. Not that the party deserves it.

    The same applies to Romney too. He never debated with a Democrat and he never went to the finals as our gal did because you know, he lost to Mccain and even to Huckabee.

  66. Illinoisguy Says:

    #44 “When it comes to whether she’s fit to be President though, 55% of voters in the country say no with just 37% in the affirmative. And asked specifically how her early resignation affects their inclination to some day support her for the White House, 57% of respondents say it makes them less likely to do so compared to 30% who say it makes them more likely to vote for her.””

    This is only one poll, and things can change, but for right now, this paragraph says it all.

  67. wisetrog Says:

    A word of advice to Romney supporters. I know it’s futile but I am trying. If you can, maybe you and your guy should train your fire on Obama and save the country and the world from disaster. That way, you will earn the goodwill of the base. Sarah is going to do that, regardless of her electoral fortunes, she has and she will take on Obama. What’s Mitt’s excuse? What’s your excuse? Instead, all you do is bash other Republicans in the most vicious way possible.

  68. OHIO JOE Says:

    “The same applies to Romney too. He never debated with a Democrat and he never went to the finals as our gal did because you know, he lost to Mccain and even to Huckabee.” Well, it is a moot point to bring Mr. Huckabee into it because he did not win the nomination either, but I suppose if the Romney camp wants to continue the quitting arguement in a way, Mr. Romney was also a quitter after supper Dupper Tuesday. Yes there may have been circumstances that lead Mr. Romney to quit, but there were also circumstances that led Mrs. Palin to quit. Yes it may be apples to oranges, but they are both fruit; are they not?

  69. Adam Says:

    If you can, maybe you and your guy should train your fire on Obama and save the country and the world from disaster…What’s Mitt’s excuse? What’s your excuse?

    What has Romney ever said about poor persecuted Sarah?

  70. Illinoisguy Says:

    Whenever a C4P person comes on here, the name calling starts. Its usually pretty mild and we treat each other with respect, even while we point out differences in our candidates.

  71. OHIO JOE Says:

    Wisetrog, perhaps some Romneyites are not as focused against Mr. Obama as they should be, but I assure you that at least some elements in the Romney camp are more than able to focus their energy against Mr. Obama. I have seen them in action.

  72. wisetrog Says:

    #66 A friend of mine posted this and it says it all:

    I’d like to go over some of the numbers with you:

    1)FAV/UNFAV: A 7 POINT UPTICK IN 3 WKS AND THAT IS WITH THE RESIGNATION

    2)A 9 POINT UPTICK AMONG CONSERVATIVES

    3)A 7 PTS OVERALL LOSS AMONG MODERATES BUT 34 POINT UPTICK OVERALL AMONG LIBERAL VOTERS (WOW)

    4)A 7 POINT OVERALL GAIN WITH WOMEN AND A 6 POINT GAIN WITH MEN

    5)A 8 POINT UPTICK AMONG REPUBLICANS

    6)NO CHANGE AMONG DEMOCRATS

    7)A 5 POINT GAIN IN OTHER (INDEPENDENTS)

    For 3 weeks I think these changes are significant.

    I suggest you stop your premature glee for there’s still a lot of time to go.

  73. Illinoisguy Says:

    wisetrog, perhaps if you would have paid just a little bit of attention, Mitt Romney has written more OpEds, done tons of interviews, made great speeches, and called Obama on the carpet more times than anyone else. Get your head out of C4P occasionally, and read and listen to what Mitt ROmney has been doing. Your head is deep in sand over there.

  74. wisetrog Says:

    It’s interesting that those who cast stones here on Sarah for “quitting” have no problems with Romney essentially using last two years of his governorship to run for office. I mean, there’s no problem at all. Public money is not sacrosanct, you know. We can keep cashing the pay check but never need to serve the people. Ambition is everything, honesty nothing.

  75. GetReal Says:

    68 – Romney suspended his campaign because it was clear McCain had already won. He didn’t quit a job he already had in the middle of it. Apples and oranges, as you like to say.

    I do wish people would stop calling Palin a “whiner” and such. Its not helpful. She had plenty to complain about. For all we know, she doesn’t even plan to run for office again. Lets worry about whether or not she’s a “quitter” if she actually decides to run for a higher office and it becomes something that is our business. Right now if she wants to spend time with her family and take a break, she’s certainly earned it.

  76. GetReal Says:

    74 – very ignorant statement. Romney didn’t even keep his salary as governor. He’s not in it for the money, he’s already made all he’ll ever need. He also worked HARD as governor. It wasn’t like he was off campaigning and got nothing done.

  77. Liz Says:

    She’s not done. She will definitely continue to contribute to the conservative cause. She’s sassy, and the type that will crawl out from under the MSM/lib dog pile unnoticed as their crate of explosives intended for her blows up in their fists. (yeah I been watching Wiley Coyote with the kids)

  78. Liz Says:

    Oh yeah and it’s gotta be Romney this time around, I think it’s too critical to get it wrong or even only partly right this time.

  79. Adam Says:

    It’s interesting that those who cast stones here on Sarah for “quitting” have no problems with Romney essentially using last two years of his governorship to run for office

    She still quit. She ran for the office. The going got tough. She threw in the towel. Nevermind Romney. She quit. What is going to happen if the pressures of the presidency got to be too much. Would she quit then? Would she whine about how tough it is and how the meanies in congress were treating her unfairly?

    She’s not ready for prime time.

  80. GetReal Says:

    79 – I do wonder, if she couldn’t handle the opposition in a deep red state like Alaska, what would she have done with the Democrat veto-proof super-majority Romney had to deal with in Massachusetts?

  81. Illinoisguy Says:

    And, from the latest poll, Massachusetts voters seem to not have had a problem with him running for President. They wish they had him back by a margin of +19% vs. the joker they have now. Besides that, Mitt’s term was over about the time he started running.

  82. Badeye Says:

    Aron: You write very well, too bad you can’t read or follow TV…then you might know why Palin resigned, because you sure the hell didn’t let us know in your writings. I will not bother to explain it to you because you have a blind eye for Palin.

  83. Badeye Says:

    Boy, haven’t been here in weeks, now I remember why. You Republicans here and Romney supporters are so typical of why I sometimes wonder why I am a Republican.
    You like to eat your own. I would never come here or anywhere else and bad mouth Romney or any other Republican.

    Your comments show you really know very little about what she did in AK. and you probably don’t care. That is fine. But, please as Republicans let us not judge other potential candidates on issues we no little about.

    You here have less idea of why Gov. Palin resigned then most democrats. I would be ashamed. Yet you use the terms “quitter” etc. What does that buy you?? You really haven’t taken the time to understand why she resigned. In fact I am ashamed of you as fellow Republicans.

  84. marK Says:

    Badeye,

    Personally I come to this site because my ideas and assumptions are challenged by intelligent, smart, and passionate opponents. I like having to defend my positions. I like having to think, to research, to study the issues and the data so I can more fully understand the issues.

    I have a great respect for the community of people who have found a home here. We have our hard core Romney supporters, Huckabee supporters, Palin supporters, etc. We even get the occasional Ron Paul supporter show up. We all argue and debate, sometimes rather vehemently, and we come away with a fuller understanding of the issues of the day.

    And this is a bad thing? Why?

  85. MWS Says:

    marK,

    “and we come away with a fuller understanding of the issues of the day.”

    I don’t.

    I’m just as clueless as the day I stumbled into this briar patch.

  86. ogrepete Says:

    Holy crap… the circular firing squad continues out in the fields. :(

    #75 (Get Real) has it right.

    Sarah Palin is going to decide what she wants to do. We certainly aren’t going to decide for her. When (if?) she does decide to run for national office again, we can have these arguments.

  87. MPC Says:

    Aron #49:

    As if I need any more reason to love Pawlenty :)

    He’s our man to take down Obama, no doubt about it. No one else is going to be able to muster passionate conservative support and still be a genuine, soft-toned candidate with national appeal to independent voters.

    He’s the only candidate in the field that can really be a true principled conservative and, also, a thoughtful pragmatist. That’s something our divided party really needs right now.

    MarkB: Thanks for responding, in part to my comments!

    On acting as executives, yes I agree, mavericks are not organizational gurus. But, to that end, it bears considering what presidential politics is about, and whether we’re better served having a smart executive or a passionate maverick at the helm.

    Executive experience can be imported in the form of talented cabinet officials and staff. But driving leadership, that’s not something you can replace. If it’s not there, the rest of the organization isn’t going to be able to reach its full potential. Romney without a doubt out-organized McCain in the primaries. But McCain far outfought him, and as always with fighting spirit comes support and victory.

    Point: we can always get some good organizers in on the game, but if there’s not any fight in our leaders, they can be the smartest there is and their cleverly-drawn organization still won’t be worth a cent.

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