H/T: TB
Respected republican pollster Frank Luntz appeared on Hannity this evening, providing analysis on Sarah Palin’s farwell speech (Foxnews July 27 2009).
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Kristofer Lorelli can be contacted at lorville@rogers.com, on Facebook and twitter/Kris_Lorelli.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Frank is right in calling out her natural retail strengths. She will only get stronger with time. I worry on this board that we are trying to pigeon-hole her, on both sides. She does not have to run for a future elective office to fulfill our dreams or hers. We do not need to assassinate her to keep her from challenging our own favorite candidate. Let her grow and season. Maybe she’ll run in ‘12 or ‘16 or never. Maybe she’ll choose a different path. Best of luck to her whatever it is.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Kavon:
Thank you for having Kristofer on your staff. At least somebody is promoting Conservatism.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Joe, who?
http://race42008.com/about/
btw, thank you…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
With all due respect to the rest of the great staff, you Kristofer are the one promoting Conservatism by showing us the great video.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
You are too kind Joe.
I’ll promote anyone who speaks on behalf of our military, liberty, 2nd amendment rights and against the massive expansion of the federal gov’t.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
I think the reason some of us “other” supporters are stating some of Palin’s flaws is because suddenly it has become all Palin all the time. Almost like all Obama all the time-but from the right.
I just think of Bush and all that he went through. All the name calling. Belittling him. Calling him stupid. Protesting outside his ranch. Trashing his daughters. And what did Bush do? He sucked it up and kept persevering. He didn’t come out like Obama and keep correcting the little white lies (although many of us wish he had). He did not come out and whine that the media was against him. And most importantly, he did not quit!! Imagine if Bush had turned it over to Cheney. Saying, I can’t do anymore as I am a lameduck. I can’t get anything done with this congress because they are no longer on my side. I can do more as a citizen. But I am leaving you in good hands with Cheney as I know he will do what is best. What would everyone do?
I liked Palin. But all Palin all the time is tiring.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Not the Usual Path
Gov. Tim Pawlenty reacts to Sarah Palin’s resignation; speculates on her future plans
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=7440061&referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749
July 27th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Bachmann blocks resolution declaring Hawaii to be Obama’s birthplace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyrBakvKbyM&eurl=
July 27th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
At this point, I still don’t think that Palin is running in 2012. However, she probably wants to at least be consulted on the race. Pawlenty, Romney, Huckabee and whoever else runs for President should try to woo the former Alaska Governor into their campaign. It would be a good boost in perception for any of the candidates to receive a Palin endorsement.
Perhaps that is what Palin has wanted in 2012 all along; not to be the nominee, but to play kingmaker?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I am glad I am not the only one who thought so.
There is something else too. The press hated Reagan. Reagan sucked it up and spoke directly to the people. He didn’t whine and he certainly didn’t quit. The press REALLY hated George Bush. Eventually they cut down his public opinion numbers and piled on even more (though probably without the Iraq War as a hammer – they wouldn’t have been able to be nearly as effective). Still, Bush went about his business and didn’t whine, bitch, moan or complain.
Did the press treat Palin unfairly? Absolutely! Does bitching about it help her cause at all? No. It’s just tiring to her her whine about being mistreated, constantly portraying herself as a victim, then quitting, and complaining some more. I thought she was supposed to be some tough hockey mom. I thought she was someone that wasn’t going to flinch.
It’s just so old now. I think it’s time to put this entire Palin saga to rest.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
You missed the section after Luntz. Lou Holtz-former coach at Notre Dame, pretty much said he didn’t understand why she quit, and that she should have stuck it out.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
And the Republican DID bring her out at the convention as someone that went on the attack against Obama. That was great – and it needed to be done – but honestly, what did she THINK was going to happen? It’s not exactly a revelation that the press is in the tank for Democrats.
Sometimes I wonder if she has a martyrdom complex.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Gotta love all this revisionist history BS about Reagan.
You kiddies crack me up, as you know nothing about Reagan!
Adam, Reagan had a very difficult relationship with the press in his 2nd term and he went around the press and spoke to the American people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar_Q912xlMs
go to the 2:45 mark.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Adam,
Don’t know if you caught it, but on the panel tonight, both Fred Barnes and Charles Krauthammer noted the extent to which Palin’s incessant whining about the press is a problem and that it must stop if she wants to be taken seriously as a potential presidential candidate.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
#11, try try, but not exactly accurate.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Aron,
Here’s the actual video of the panel. That wasn’t the main point of what Barnes and Krauthammer said.
Palin’s future Bret Baier and the Fox all Stars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoqVs2pY64c
July 27th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Kristofer, I didn’t dvr it this time, so I was going from memory. But that was pretty close.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Lorelli,
What did I just say?
Aron,
They’re right. It makes her look completely unserious and undercuts her ability to convey a commanding presence.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Palin’s Blunt Words for the Media
Alaska’s governor goes out with a bang.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203609204574315174274117130.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
July 27th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I thought Palin was fantastic at the republican convention. And I thought she did well as an attack dog on Obama/Biden. But can you imagine if she uses that same strategy in the debates against Huckabee, Romney, and Pawlenty-all of which will have much greater experience then her.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Here’s the actual Lou Holtz segment:
Hanitty’s Great American Panel on Sarah Palins Decision to Resign (Foxnews July 27 2009)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYmVv_5Pr3M
July 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
oh yes, the Press has never attacked Republicans unfairly and we have never fought back…
what planet have you guys been living on?
we used to not be the party of wimps….man, have things changed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa66lM5u6Fk
July 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
I liked Palin too when McCain trotted her out. Enough to make a donation to McCain, a man I really didn’t like much.
Even a few weeks before her announcement that she was resigning I had her as my #2 pick after Romney. Some of us see the light, and some don’t.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Luntz said Palin understands the power of language. Now that’s funny.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Well Palin needs to stop blaming the media for all her problems.She put some of it on herself especially during the campaign last year by fumbling questions and saying “It’s great to be here in the real America part of the state.” I mean that is not how you win new voters.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
You’re not getting it! Reagan FOUGHT BACK. Reagan MADE HIS CASE. Reagan didn’t constantly whine about being treated unfairly by the media. That’s the difference.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Lou Holtz says-Decisions have ramifications. I don’t like the fact that she ran away from somethgng, but thats her decision, and the people will have the final say on it.
Holtz says he respects that she made a decision. She believes in this very strongly. Go after it!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
since when did we back down against liberals?
I have counted at least 50 incorrect statements by people on this site in the last 4 days, who just repeated liberal attack lines against Romney, Palin and Huckabee, instead of taking the time to read actual transcripts and video.
Intellectual laziness!!!!!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Well, I thought the speech was pretty good. Palin can deliver a well-written speech, we all saw that at the convention. But she cannot speak off the cuff, mostly because she doesn’t have a depth of knowledge on the issues. (Like trying to get water from a rock – not going to happen.) And she has a terrible problem with articulation when she isn’t reading prepared remarks.
Anyway, she said a couple of things that bothered me. She used the death of Alaskan soldiers to take a swipe at the MSM. I thought that was crass. She also said she resisted the stimulus. But we all know she lobbied for it, and then ended up accepting all of it.
Another thing I noticed. She said that Alaskans should stiffen their spines to do what’s right when the pressure mounts.The irony on that one is probably completely lost on her.
I don’t think there’s a shred of doubt she’s running. She is doing what’s right for Sarah, not necessarily Alaska. But I don’t think most Americans will buy the lousy excuse.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
#25:
People misunderstand what Palin was supposed to do on the ticket with McCain. Palin was not there to gain any new votes for the ticket, that was up to the John McCain. Palin was on the ticket to energize the base of the Party. She was there to electrify the grassroots of the Republican Party so that they would work for the ticket with the energy that they had worked for President Bush back in 04. If she got more women to vote for the ticket, that was just an added bonus.
Palin was there to energize the base of the Party, which she did by and large.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Really Adam,
Like how?
You know what Reagan did!!!!!!
He refused to answer questions from the liberal media, he avoided questions (ever see video of him outside of the WH?) and he went directly to conservatives!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
#29 – thank you MSNBC!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
26. Adam is right, folks. Reagan never complained, he just went about the work of building up America.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
#29
Martha, I’m confused. If Palin is so awful and dumb and so self-centered, isn’t her resignation as Governor a good thing? Isn’t it better for Alaska not to have someone as their Governor?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Martha,
She accepted all of it? Why is her veto probably going to be overturned by the legislature?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
32. ? I don’t watch MSNBC, so I don’t know what you mean.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Tommy, she ended up accepting 900 million out of 930 million, I believe. Is that right?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
34. Yes, http://www.sarahpac.com/
July 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
how many times did Reagan appear on meeting the press from 1981 to 1989?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Yes Martha…but you claimed she accepted “all” of it.
Before you then change your argument to $30 million being insignificant, why the heck did the Alaskan legislature and Alaskan far-left radicals such as Mudflats and Shannyn Moore lose their bearings over the $30 million?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
#38:
Ok then. So why are Romney supporters spending so much time yelling about her and her “cowardice” in running from the media, or the Governorship. Since she obviously can’t compete in with the intelligence, reasonableness, and sheer brilliance of Mitt Romney, why spend time worrying about what she does?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
What us non-Palinites are trying to point out, that Hannity, Beck and Greta are not, is that a lot of voters do not like that she quit. Here is Lou Holtz-one of the greatest college football coaches, saying he did not like the fact that she ran away from something. That sentence by Holtz is how many voters see Palin. And that is not something that I want in my POTUS.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
July 27th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
http://townhall.com/blog/g/b3ba90ec-44af-4936-b3c4-c15be04c7603
July 27th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Lorelli,
Address the charge about playing the victim and whining about unfair press treatment. That’s the argument.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
okay Adam,
This this video, Reagan used terms, such as;
“intellectual elite in a far away city (D.C.)”.
in this speech, he also attack University Professors, the media, liberals, etc…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt1fYSAChxs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eihatethemedia%2Ecom%2Fronald%2Dreagan%2D1964%2Drepublican%2Dconvention%2Dspeech&feature=player_embedded
It appears to me as if Palin, Beck, Rush, Bachman and others understand Reagan!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Adam,
So anytime we bash the press, we’re whining?
The polls indicate that the one of the biggest items that indies agree with her on is her press treatment. Why not get a cheap hit on an issue with which a majority of Americans share your opinion.
http://race42008.com/2009/07/07/poll-watch-usa-todaygallup-sarah-palin-survey/
July 27th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
I like Palin’s farewell speech. She is better than Mitt Romney. It ashamed that the Romney supporters are really attacked her because Romney doesn’t like her. Palin is conservative. This is Romney’s problem. Romney won’t get the nominee in 2012.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
#43:
While it is nice to hear someone, anyone, attack the media, Charles Krauthammer is right. There is a whining tone to Palin’s attacks on the media. She should follow his advice; study up hard on the issues. Then, she should go on one of the hostile news shows and shock everyone with her newfound knowledge on the issues. That would be far more effective than taking a swipe at them in a speech.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Who said that? Everytime Palin speaks she whines about media treatment. There was the Letterman thing (even though I concede he was wrong, she didn’t have to drag it out and play it up to the extent she did). Then it was her resignation announcement earlier this month. Now today. It’s tiresome. She should give it a rest.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
#38.http://www.huckpac.com/
July 27th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Exactly, Jonathan.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Kris,
Reagan appeared on Meet the Press seven times prior to being elected president. I’m not sure how many times he was on Face the Nation.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
#51:
Don’t worry, I read the post before it was changed. That was what my smart-alec remarks in #41 were directed too.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
I agreed with Palin going after the media. She had every right to. I think we were all appalled at how the media went after her daughters. She was right to fight them and go after the media in return.
But that was over and done with. She needs to leave the media behind and go about her business of helping conservatives win in 2010. If everytime she gives a speech and also gives a dig at the media which sounds whiny, then she will lose her star power. Afterall, if she is going to start campaigning across the lower 48 then she will get more media coverage, and hence the media will have more opportunity to attack her. So she needs to put all of this behind her and try a new approach.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
49 you are exactly right, Jonathan. This is what we’re all waiting for, but Palin shows no signs of changing her strategy.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Aron,
Answer my question, please.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Here is Mr.Romney http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-S9Ntek9QE
Perhaps Palin can learn a thing or two.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
51. Kris, you’re so predictable. If I’m so wrong about Palin, why are you editing my comments? Why don’t you just let them fall as they may?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Kris, are you trying to chase me away? Are you afraid of my comments? Afraid that I am right about your gal?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Kris,
hahahahahah
July 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
#48 Please learn proper English before typing.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Some people are easily amused. Especially Palin fanatics.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
I love hitting people on their grammar but if anonymous is an immigrant to this country, I wouldn’t bash the guy for his grammar.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Sean,
Does anyone outside of Romney’s supporters believe the media has been unfair to him? With Palin, there’s scientific data indicating that even Democrats and independents with an unfavorable towards her agree with her opinion on the way the media has covered her.
I just had to laugh the other day when I saw a video of Tim Pawlenty at the Tea Party bashing Chris Matthews for media bias. On what ground can Pawlenty claim media bias?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Martha,
I confess that I got a chuckle out of it. I was wondering why you were linking to her PAC, hahaaha.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
#64:
Anonymous is usually better at grammar. Every post they have on this site clearly says “Romney won’t get the nomination in 2012″ or “Romney won’t be the nominee in 2012″, not a combination of the two. Usually repetitive talking points are less annoying if they are grammatically correct.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
actually, PEW stated that Romney received very unfair media coverage in 2007-2008.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
“Palin was there to energize the base of the Party, which she did by and large”
# 30-That’s fine and all but for every new voter McCain might have gained, Gov.Palin probably turned off atleast 2 voters with some of her rhetoric and whining. Ask yourself would President Reagan have said there are real and fake parts of America? I think the resounding answer would be no.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Kris,
Give me the link.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
65. Tommy, the media was very unfair to Romney, but no doubt Palin has it worse. But then again, she is the cause of much of it. She passes out the ammunition. I think Romney knows how to deal with the press far better than Palin does.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
#69:
The 2008 Election was lost the moment the financial institutions collapsed in late September. If we ran a Lincoln-Reagan ticket in 08, we still would have lost. Even so, Republican voters largely stayed with the ticket, which Palin undoubtedly had a helping hand in.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
#69, he did.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Martha,
I actually haven’t had too much to complain about with the media the last week and a half.
They took the “race” story and ran with it. They declared his press conference a failure.
They’ve reported Obama’s sinking poll numbers and his problems with getting healthcare legislation passed.
Hell, I even heard a black guy cite Rasmussen (the one that showed Romney tied and Palin down 6) on MSNBC!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A
July 27th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Tommy, the Romney link won’t post.
Goggle: “PEW Running on Faith”
July 27th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Palin’s Real America Comments = Non Stop Negative Media Cover.
Note she later apologized for her comments at this fundraiser.
This Real american bs was part of a theme that the mccain/palin campaign wanted to focus on for some strange reason.
Obama talks about rural folks clinging to their bibles and guns.. Media? Who Cares.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
http://www.sarahpac.com/
As the son of a retired Army Brigadier General, let me say that this military circle-jerk with no policy under-girding it ENRAGES ME.
http://www.sarahpac.com/
MITT 2012. Period. There is no alternative.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
This is what happens when I listen to Palin:
http://www.sarahpac.com/
July 27th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
This is what happens when I listen to good old Mitt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI
July 27th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
That video has been rehashed so many times. Name me one promise he broke as governor.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
78. Are you blaming Palin’s real America comments on the McCain campaign? Where’s the evidence for that?
I think it’s true that palin around with terrorists was a McCain stragegy, but not the real America schtick.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Luntz wants to be Palin’s pollster and knows that flattery will pay big dividends
I don’t know if I’ve seen such a media lovefest on the Republican side as the Hannity/Luntz Palinfest–it was like Chris Matthew’s “tingling” leg.
I think we saw something closer to the real Palin when she made her original resignation announcement. What we saw in her most recent speech is that she can read and effectively deliver a rehearsed speech written by someone else. What I struggle with is that with Palin I have seen no evidence of anything beyond ordinary intellectual capacity or intellectual curiousity. That she has ambition, there is no doubt. But is she an individual for whom I would devote time and means to an effort to make her POTUS? Highly unlikely.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Wow, who edited my posts? Has this site become nothing but Palin?
Good Lord, I post my thoughts, and they get edited to not reflect what I said.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Whoever did that, delete my posts, do not edit them. I didn’t post that.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
#85,
No hate-filled, personal attacks on Republicans.
Thank you.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:01 am
I don’t believe it was personal, but I’ll abide. For the record, I think Palin represents nothing but a bankrupt future for the GOP, but I’m sure she’s a fine lady.
I don’t like Sarah Palin, the politician. The person, I don’t care one way or the other. I just want good policy.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:03 am
If don’t recall correctly, didn’t Nancy Pfotenhauer start a real america rant during an interview on msnbc?
Tin, This isn’t exactly a site that adores the hockey mom from the north.
It should be noted that Palin also has a son that is serving our country overseas.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Great, she has a son serving. He’s a patriot, and that’s wonderful.
That has NOTHING to do with policy. It’s all identity politics. Just like her media obsession, gun-toting red meat, and the like.
The Bush coalition is DEAD. Her constant attempts to revive and appeal to a nonexistent coalition is just a nonstarter.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:13 am
88. Palin has a son serving in Iraq? Who knew.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:15 am
#90:
Truth and politics are matters of perception.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Oh, and Kris. I want to build the party. Our guys need to go through the refiners fire and come out stronger. This is what this time is for – to thoroughly vett our candidates.
I want leaders who are competent, informed, well-spoken and who don’t quit when the going gets tough.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:21 am
So, Kris is just removing comments, now. He just removed another comment, and it was not offensive in any way. I simply said that Tin Tin said he hates Palin with his “political” being. And I said that Palin drives a lot of us nuts.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Martha
If you were Palin’s Karl Rove,David Axelrod etc What would u advise her to do next?