November 18, 2009

Rumsfeld, not Holder to Blame

Don Rumsfeld gave 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Miranda rights when he was brought to Guantánamo Bay (a US military installation).

The decision to select a Manhattan courthouse as the trial venue was an flawed political calculation, made by Holder and Obama.  Certainly rural Pennsylvania would have been a superior choice over New York or Arlington, but this does not eliminate the fact that A.G. Holder must uphold the Constitution of the United States, which identifies Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as a criminal being held in a U.S. prison.

If the United States had declared war on the government of Afghanistan and proclaimed Al-Qaeda as a paramilitary wing of the government, and then proved that the former government in Kabul had directly or indirectly sponsored Al-Qaeda during the planning of the 9/11 attacks, then there would have been no reason to extend Miranda rights to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and imprison him as a criminal in a US military base.  The Bush administration with either unable or unwilling to make this legal connection, which is why they made the decision to bring the prisoners to Guantánamo.

This incident and the overall mismanagement of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib prison operations must be a lesson for all defcons.  Leave the terrorists in the nations (sympathetic to the U.S.A.) that they were captured in and allow third parties to conduct the interrogations, so that our government is not forced to uphold our Constitution.

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Kristofer Lorelli can be contacted at lorville@rogers.com, on Facebook and Twitter/Kris_Lorelli

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10 Responses to “Rumsfeld, not Holder to Blame”

  1. FredsFighter Says:

    What if we’re wrong on the accusation that the prisoner was a terrorist? What if the person was innocent? That’s where the US should be taking the moral high ground (which we lose whenever we engage in underhanded tactics, e.g. torture).

  2. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    1 – I understand your point, but this post has very little to do with how one defines torture.

    If we really want their fingernails pulled, let the Pakitani’s do it, on Pakistani soil.

  3. Kevin Says:

    So we’re not forced to uphold the Constitution? Do you realize how terrible that sentence is?

  4. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    3 – Yes, I know. But there are ppl like yourself who want to nationalize health care, which is not in the Constitution. ;)

  5. Thomas Alan Says:

    What if we’re wrong on the accusation that the prisoner was a terrorist? What if the person was innocent? That’s where the US should be taking the moral high ground (which we lose whenever we engage in underhanded tactics, e.g. torture).

    Then the War on Terror is a catch and release program and we should all just convert to Islam and save some lives.

    Terrorists are not covered in the Constitution. There’s absolutely no need to worry about a document which is silent on the subject.

  6. MarkG Says:

    Kris, check in to the long-established international laws on all this. We could easily have classified KSM as a pirate under admiralty law and dispatched him at will.

    Also, the Land Warfare portions of the Hague Conventions (part of the Geneva Conventions) show that KSM and these other self-styled holy warriors had no right as POWs, and were rightfully designated “unlawful combatants.” There’s a lot to dislike about Rumsfeld, perhaps, but Gitmo and the “unlawful combatant” designation were entirely right for a nation at war — which is what we were after multiple acts of warfare by the jihadis against us.

    It is Holder who’s making a mess of the situation. And some folks think that this might backfire badly, ending up making our civilian criminal case law much harsher than it should be to protect normal American citizens against wrongful criminal charges.

  7. MarkG Says:

    Check out the comments here:
    http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/11/war_and_crimes.php#comments

    Particularly bright is this one:

    Brock C. November 16, 2009 4:00 PM
    It’s wrong to say that we must choose between Crime and War models. There is a third choice; a better fit. It is not a new legal theory, but has existed since before the days of the Roman Republic at least, and probably before.

    Terrorists are hostis humani generis – enemies of all mankind.

    Another type of hostis humani generis is pirates. I will offer a quote from Wikipedia, and I think the application to terrorism becomes apparent:

    Since piracy anywhere is a peril to every mariner and ship everywhere, it is held to be the universal right and the universal duty of all nations, regardless of whether their ships have been beset by the particular pirate captured, to capture, try by a regularly constituted court-martial or admiralty court (in extreme circumstances, by means of a drumhead court-martial convened by the officers of the capturing ship), and, if found guilty, to execute the pirate via means of hanging from the yard-arm of the capturing ship, an authoritative Custom of the Sea[1].

    The Admiralty Courts are a good building block for how to deal with terrorists. They have millenia of experience of dealing with activities that have occurred outside any jurisdiction, poor evidence gathering by US standards, etc. Our civilian Courts really aren’t set up for this sort of thing.

  8. Thomas Alan Says:

    Well, it’s Holder and the Supreme Court who insist, for some baffling reason, that terrorist captives are to be treated as POWs.

    But, since they don’t have any authority in the matter, they should just be ignored.

  9. MarkG Says:

    #8. Yeah, but it’s not a question of either terrorist or civilian, which is why the unlawful combatants, if tried under American laws, require a venue (at the time of the SCOTUS ruling) to be written into law, which ultimately became the military tribunals.

    Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the O-ministration is still going to apply those “hated” tribunals to lots of other Gitmo detainees — the O-ministration simply singled out a couple high-profile cases to run through the civilian criminal justice system for no greater reason than, supposedly, having them tried closer to the scene of their “crime.”

  10. Kristofer Lorelli Says:

    MarkG, thank you. Good read.

    8 – once you grant an individual Constitutional rights under the law, they have the right to a def. and a hearing.

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