My inbox is flled with messages from angry Huckabee supporters, accusing me of smearing Mike Huckabee and suggesting that there are no ties between the radical ARTL group and the former Governor. One way for Governor Huckabee to distance himself from this group is to stop linking to them on mikehuckabee.com.
One of the links, a get-together with Steve Deace after the Presidential election was rather interesting, with Huckabee joining in on the ARTL rhetoric by attacking mainstream Christian leaders who supporter Mitt Romney or other POTUS candidates.
What are your thoughts? Should Governor Huckabee disavow this group and its leaders and remove all links from his personal website?
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Kristofer Lorelli can be contacted at lorville@rogers.com, on Facebook and Twitter/Kris_Lorelli
November 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
question who evers running for president when do they pick up the speed on the primary trips to iowa NV, ect does that happen before the ”jumping in announcement”?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Huckster is a theocrat.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
and a Christian socialist.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
^ I know Christian Socialists…Huckster isn’t one.
He is a lot of other bad things, though.
Theocrat, bigot, creationist…
November 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Kristofer:
Show me any proof that Huckabee controls ARTL. That said, ARTL is an independent pro-life organization which at least has more of a spine than NRTL.
And Steve Deace is a major radio talk show host in Iowa. His views are all over the place (e.g. he decided to vote for Obama rather than McCain).
And Huck shouldn’t scrub any part of his site; that’s what Obama and (and to a lesser extent) Palin have done.
Please reveal to us what your true beef with Huckabee is. That he is uncompromisingly pro-life and pro-marriage?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
There’s no question you’re onto something here, Kristofer.
When Huckabee hangs out with and commiserates about the things he’s been “proven right on” with the guy (Steve Deace), he picks up a little taint by association.
How much taint is really the question. I’d like to think Mike Huckabee abhors the militant “religion bashing/Christianity purging” Steve Deace does, but we’ll never know until/if we hear it from Mike.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Kevin: Being a creationist is a sign of intelligence and an unwillingness to kowtow to elitism.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
7
Hear, hear!
November 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Uh Oh – Sarah’s fans not happy with her? Seems they are saying she lost quite a few votes – http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/video_of_angry_wingnuts_booing_sarah_palin_calling_her_a_quitter_chantin/#When:14:48:31Z
November 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Steve Deace is crazy for sure. I remember very well venting my views on him when Kris first brought him up.
But Huckabee =/= Steve Deace.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Kristofer, what are talking about? There is no conversation about ARTL on the Huckabee website or the link to the article about Huckabee being on a radio show.
More smears from a liar.
What are you trying to prove? That you are lousy at research? That your false claims are delusional?
Does this help Palin?
Whatever, again a bunch of lies.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
9 Frank,
That’s hilarious. What’s with that egomaniac bus anyway?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
The tightrope walk begins. He has to try to expand his base more into the mainstream beyond the hard-core evangelicals that make up a sizable chunk of it. The problem is they are the ones that provided critical networking and boots-on-the-ground in Iowa and many other states he carried. How do you disavow the more extremist views of some of them without offending them and making them resent you for cynically using them to gain power?
Good luck, Mike. You’re going to need it.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
No, Friar Huck should not disavow the group. He should instead continue to pretend that he is not an entry-level hatchetman for our entertainment.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
#10
I agree that Huckabee and Steve Deace are not the same, nor are they equal. Huckabee does not do what Steve Deace does. Huckabee tacitly condones what Steve Deace does by appearing on his show and accepting Steve Deace’s support.
Is it a big deal to me? Heck no. There are so many people out there that politicians accept the support of that it’d be impossible to single everyone out and chew them out for things you don’t agree on.
However, Steve Deace is not just “another supporter” of Mike Huckabee. He has a show on the biggest radio station in Iowa (apparently, I haven’t fact checked someone’s statement) and was part of the reason for Huckabee’s surge during the 2008 election.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Kris,
Of course Huck should cut all ties with people like Deace. He should not be appearing on his show.
But he can’t distance himself because a lot of these folks are the reason he did so well in 08.
Reagan said, “Many people are welcome in our house, but not the bigots.”
I can’t figure why anyone supports the man who cozies up to these types.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Tryin’ to put a wedge between the Mike and Sarah camps are laughable. Take it to one of the Obama sites where you will be most welcome.
They NEED hope there. LOL
We unite, we win. Period.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Maybe I should e-mail Steve the link to this thread and let him reply himself.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I think Huck can agree with Deace on some common things without me thinking the worse of him. He will definitely have to disavow some of the things he disagrees with Deace on sooner or later, though. Public pressure will be too great. So I’m 100% confident Huckabee will do so. The fringe 1% of evangelicals might take slight, but by and large even they will stay on board to see their man get elected.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
He is too ethically challenged to that.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
#19
Sounds good, Granny T.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
18. “is” laughable sounds better… ; )
“is shameful” -more accurate because of the lies.
Knock it off. You and your candidate ARE so much better than that.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
17. I guess it’s her business, but I’m personally opposed to the entire notion of all these procedures for women. It sends the wrong message to our daughters.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Anyone remember this:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/10/15/bob-jones-dean-endorses-romney/
November 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
21. Thunder hit the nail on the head.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Kris “Erickson of Redstate.com is a ‘race pimp’ Korelli” is in a death spiral. He’s fallen and he can’t get up. He’s pulling a total Major Nidal on this website.
Fun to watch though.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
MWS,
No, how can anyone! Huckabee is too ethically challenged!
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, folks
November 20th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
#25
Does someone know if and when Romney rejected the endorsement of this anti-Mormon, anti-inter-racial dating school?
Links????
November 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Huck: I was going to show “The God Makers” to show how Romney’s crazy beliefs make him unfit for office, but you probably think I won’t so I’m going to show it to you anyway.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
…not to mention anti-Catholic.
Maybe as a Catholic, I should devote the next 3 years of my life posting about how Romney was endorsed by anti-Catholic bigots……
November 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
How many of you of who think you know what you are talking about actually live in Iowa, including the author of this piece of trash who is tying people to an organization and their actions because they appear on the same show or share some of the same views? I’m going to let my 2nd grader re-write this article because right now she is learning about using FACTS.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
MPC,
#28. Sorry, I didn’t follow you there.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
http://multiracial.com/site/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=1568
November 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
No one can remember, because Huckabee is too ethically challenged. It’s a casting of blame. After all, it’s all Huckabee’s fault
November 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Frank, She was in CA writing her book at Lynn’s crib and apparently she was wearing very expensive makeup during her campaign.
I think her change in her appearance has to do with her weight gain.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
31. Please don’t. You’ll sound like Kris. ; )
November 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
#34
Mitt was apparently trumpeting his endorsement from the racist, rabidly anti-Catholic Bob Jones University…..
November 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Oh, wait. The link to the article on the website is your facts. The article that states Huckabee appeared on Steve Deace where they had the same view about Christian leaders supporting Romney. Yep, that proves the tie between Deace, Huckabee, and the ARTL’s profile on Palin. Nice try, by the way.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
MPC,
Ah yes. If Romney wasn’t such a victim himself, he probably never would have accepted such an endorsement from bigots.
Martha,
What were you saying candidates should do with bigots who support them? Were you saying they should accept those endorsements and brag about them, or not????
November 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
From link in #34:
Romney: Bob Jones Endorsements “A Positive Step.” Romney, making his first public appearance of the campaign in
Columbus, told reporters that Jones’ backing was “a positive step” in his effort to reach out to evangelicals who disagree
with Mormon doctrine, although he conceded that he didn’t know whether it’s “100 percent resolved yet” that evangelical
voters would support a Mormon for president. [Columbus Dispatch, 10/18/07]
Romney South Carolina Campaign Manager “Proud” of Jones’ Support. Terry Sullivan, Romney’s South Carolina
campaign manager, said he doesn’t think
Jones’ endorsement will turn off voters who may be wary of Jones’ religious views. “We’re proud to have the support of
Dr. Jones and look forward to
his help in delivering Gov. Romney’s conservative message to the voters,” he said. [Greenville News, 10/16/07]
November 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
38,
And thus my point about Romney people. You shouldn’t start jumping on Huckabee for something he’s not responsible for or implicit in (Deace’s crazy ideas) unless you want Romney to receive the same treatment. On the other hand, fair treatment always merits fair treatment.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
MWS and MPC are making key and reasonable points.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
MWS, I think you’re making the wrong point. Romney viewed the endorsement as a positive step, hoping perhaps that other people who were against him because of his faith might also re-think voting for a Mormon.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Mr. Korelli,
Where is the prior post regarding Huckabee and the ARTL? Why was it pulled from this site?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
If Steve Deace had ever said he had a problem with Baptist ministers’ theology, then I think one could equate Bob Jones III endorsing Mitt Romney with Steve Deace endorsing Mike Huckabee.
Until then….
This isn’t the same thing.
Bob Jones III ended up endorsing John McCain, too, despite the nastiness between them during the 2000 primary campaign. I don’t see anyone pointing at John McCain as somehow being tainted by association. It’s just different when birds NOT of a feather flock together.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Yes, Huck should disavow divisive elements within the Republican party.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
No ties?? Thats a laugh. They are in bed together–so to speak.
With people like FPP Schmidt leading the charge on annonymous attacks on other candidates. Its just Huckster’s way. He is petty, mean-spirited and vindictive–and it rubs off on his supporters. Hopefully, Palin and the other candidates continue just to stay out of the mud and address the positives.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Why was the prior post pulled ? Because it was a pack of lies like this post ?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Don’t Mormons believe that Mitt and Mike are brothers?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I hope both Huck and Palin run. It will turn the nomination into a circus. The two will be trying out-Beck and out-diva each other, meanwhile, Mitt will emerge as the serious nominee. Huck won’t be able to resist throwing barbs at Palin and Palin will feel compelled to respond tit for tat.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
50. Is that your hope? And dream?
…To divide the Republican Party?
Prepare to wake up, my friend.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
#48
I didn’t think it was true, but the prior post has been pulled. You are right. Kristofer and/or Kavon should answer the question as to why.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Martha,
“I think you’re making the wrong point. Romney viewed the endorsement as a positive step, hoping perhaps that other people who were against him because of his faith might also re-think voting for a Mormon.”
Nice spin. Except Bob Jones doesn’t just have it in for Mormons, but also Catholics and blacks.
Did Romney every condemn his ardent supporters’ anti-Catholicism and racism? I’m sure you know, since you are on a crusade against bigotry in the party.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
#49
We are all brothers, except for those of us who are sisters.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
50. Divide and conquer is ALSO Obama’s strategy to beat us, IMO.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
pgre,
“If Steve Deace had ever said he had a problem with Baptist ministers’ theology, then I think one could equate Bob Jones III endorsing Mitt Romney with Steve Deace endorsing Mike Huckabee.
Until then….
This isn’t the same thing.”
It’s not all about Mormons. Bob Jones U. is also anti-Catholic and anti-black. So even if you think Romney’s religion makes it okay for him to bed with those who despise his faith, that doesn’t exonerate him from proudly proclaiming the endorsements of anti-Catholics and racists.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Please explain how Huckabee appearing on a radio show with Steve “proves” some “link” between Huckabee and ARTL?
Maybe you didn’t see the press release posted yesterday?
http://hucksarmy.com/hucksarmy-director-on-artl-press-release/
November 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Pay no attention to Kris. He’s sort of our mad scientist. In nine out of ten trials he whips up some chemical cocktail that burns down half the lab, trips the alarm bells, and causes a mass evacuation.
Back to your stations, everyone. Back to the drawing board, Dr. Lorelli.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
ha! As if he has to do anything to divide Republicans. His whole agenda has united Republicans like never before. Now only personal ambition and identity politics can derail us.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Joseph,
“Yes, Huck should disavow divisive elements within the Republican party.”
What about Romney? Should he disavow Bob Jones University?
Martha keeps saying there is no place for bigots in the party, but she seems to think that Bob Jones is okay. I hope she clarifies otherwise…..
November 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Mike and Marco are the brothers. But we want to adopt Mitt if he’ll let us. ; )
November 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
“Martha keeps saying there is no place for bigots in the party, but she seems to think that Bob Jones is okay. I hope she clarifies otherwise…..”
Martha only wants bigots if they support her candidate. Bigots that support opponents are not wanted.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Bob Jones III hates black people? I think he’s against inter-racial marriage, but how do you equate that to hating black people? Are you pulling the race card, MWS?
Romney accepted Bob Jones III endorsement for a political office not offered based on any theological grounds. Huckabee has accepted Steve Deace’s endorsement for political office, offered on theological grounds.
It’s obvious that Bob Jones wasn’t using religion in his endorsement. Frankly it’s a bit tougher to prove the 2nd part of my paragraph above. I don’t know that it is gospel truth, but I’m certainly getting that vibe, the more I hear/read about Steve Deace and ARTL.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
This post is so lacking support that you would need a whole roll of Duck Tape to put it to together and even then it would still be a mess. Seriously, leave the investigations up to Glen Beck.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
59. Or unfounded attacks on our Republican Party’s current frontrunner Mike Huckabee from Obama’s bunch (or within for that matter).
November 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Bigot = someone who will not vote for or support someone because they are the wrong skin color, race, gender, or religion.
Non-bigot = someone who despite the fact THEY DISAGREE WITH PERSON A on religious and/or other grounds, are still willing to support/vote for said person A if they are the best choice in the group of candidates.
Having religious and political disagreements does not make you a bigot. Turning those disagreements into a crusade against who you disagree with makes you a bigot.
All that is my personal opinion, of course, and not quoted from any erudite source.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
This whole thread is a total waste of time. We could be busy laying the groundwork to return to power (and hopefully, to national solvency); or we could debate whether Mormons are Christians.
This total sideshow is getting so old that it’s beyond old.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
ogre,
“Bob Jones III hates black people? I think he’s against inter-racial marriage, but how do you equate that to hating black people?”
Well, I guess not all segregationists necessarily hate black people.
From Wikipedia:
“Although BJU admitted Asians and other minorities from its inception, it refused to enroll black students until 1971, eight years after the University of South Carolina and Clemson University had been integrated by court order. From 1971 to 1975, BJU admitted only married blacks, although the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) had already determined in 1970 that “private schools with racially discriminatory admissions policies” were not entitled to federal tax exemption.”
It wasn’t until after bad publicity in 2000 that BJU dropped their ban on inter-racial dating, and they didn’t get around to starting to apologize for their racism until Nov. of 2008, long after Romney soaked up their endorsement.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
#6 Wise Guy said, “And Huck shouldn’t scrub any part of his site; that’s what Obama and (and to a lesser extent) Palin have done.”
And now, Race4 and Mr. *Lorelli* have done the same thing. (Please forgive my typo in the previous reply.
Here’s the substance of what I found and posted late last night (post 115) in regards to this ridiculous accusation:
I got curious about the source of this smear, that Huckabee somehow controlled ARTL. I followed the primaries very closely, and saw no evidence during that time of a relationship there. So I googled Huckabee American Right to Life.
Looks like Ann Coulter may have been the source of the ARTL = Huckabee lie. Who would have guessed it?
The following exchange comes from the comment section below the article on this page: http://thereaganwing.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/national-right-to-life-vs-american-right-to-life-debating-romney/
I suggest going to the link, as I have lost formatting in the copy.
My comments are inserted in
Quote:
12 Responses
1. on January 25, 2008 at 12:12 pm Trevor
Isn’t American Right to Life just a creation of the Huckabee campaign?
2. on January 25, 2008 at 12:51 pm Doug Parris
What makes you think that, Trevor?
I talked to their press secretary and he’s personally supporting Alan Keyes.
3. on January 25, 2008 at 2:53 pm Trevor
Doug
I couldn’t find anyone to back this up (but I didn’t look very long), however on the Michael Reagan show the other day Ann Coulter said that the American Right to Life was created by the Huckabee campaign a few months ago.
4. on January 25, 2008 at 3:47 pm mary E
I seriously doubt that ARL and Huckabee are working together. This rift in the pro-life movement has been a long time coming. I would think that ARL would have some problems with Huckabee too.
5. on January 25, 2008 at 4:32 pm Doug Parris
Trevor,
You must have become confused something Coulter said or something. I don’t find it credible that Ann would make up something like that.
She’s always so meticulously careful never to offend anyone.
6. on January 28, 2008 at 8:56 am Trevor
you can download the audio file from the 2nd hour of the jan 24th Michael Reagan show.
Coulter said “[it's] some front group for Huckabee”
Quote:Tony Robinson
I was part of the group of leaders that met in Denver to form American Right to Life. Unlike National Right to Life, our organization does not endorse candidates (NRTL is on the republican payroll – literally. Most organizations donate money to political parties for favors, but NRTL gets paid via the Republican party. This might help to explain why they are so quick to place a rubber stamp on republican candidates that look like they might win in the early part of the race.
American Right to Life Action, however, will target the leading candidate for exposure if they falsely claim to be pro-life. Hopefully, this will put future candidates on notice that they need to truly reflect on whether they are pro-life before going on the campaign trail.
Tony Robinson
supremejustice.org
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on February 18, 2008 at 6:09 pm Tony Robinson
PS: Huckabee is not, and I doubt ever will be, affiliated with us. Nor is Thompson, or McCain. Alan Keyes was invited because he is likeminded. Keyes is a friend to many pro-lifers, but again ARTL does not endorse candidates. It also does not have a retirement program that requires $$$ to continually roll into the bank account. In fact, the paperwork calls for ARTL to be dissolved in twelve years. Either you are serious about getting rid of abortion, or you go the NRTL route and regulate it so that your pension is not threatened.
Sorry for the loss of formatting. It’s much easier to read, and more entertaining too, over at the blog where it was originally posted. Of course, I haven’t PROVED anything, because I haven’t gone looking for that Michael Reagan radio show, or gotten explicit, face-to-face information directly from ARTL.
But, at least I’ve offered evidence. You’ve only tried to prove guilt by some kind of fictitious association. Your link to his blog is laughable. He appeared on a radio program. He told the truth. He WAS pilloried by Establishment Republicans. So what? You demand that he scrub that? Now I know why someone above likened you to Erick Erickson.
You have taken a slimy rumor, taken from an off-the-cuff remark, made by someone who vehemently opposed Huckabee in the primaries, and tried to pass it off as truth. Perhaps Race4 is ashamed of you, and they’re the ones who scrubbed this site? Just speculating….
By your implied logic, anyone who opposes Romney is a Mormon-hater. Anyone who doesn’t support Palin must be sexist. EVERYONE who opposes Obama is a prejudiced bigot. Just ask HuffPo.
And, I still want to know why you scrubbed the last article from Race4.
IMHO, you and Race4 owe Huckabee and his supporters a retraction and an apology.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
I’ll say this, Kristofer has stirred the pot.
#57 – Not sure where you are going with this. I don’t remember any allegations of Huckabee supporters trying to shoot down Palin. I hoped your link would be relevant to the discussion we’re having today.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
ogre,
Bigotry encompasses a lot more than who someone votes for and why.
And yes, Mitt’s embraced endorsers at BJU have lead anti-Mormon and anti-Catholic crusades for decades.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Steve Deace is not a member of ATL. This is a flat out lie. And for you information, WHO was Ronald Reagan’s station. You basically just want to get him off the air by connecting him to this group because he has been spreading the truth about Romney. Your underlining goal is 1) make up lies about this radio guy, Steve, Deace, so he is thrown of the air so that no one can dis Romney in the all important caucus state of Iowa. Enough said. Good luck with that. His program is #1 in Iowa on the #1 radio station in Iowa and in the top 5 in the midwest.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I hope Martha gets a chance to expand upon her thoughts regarding Bob Jones, Mitt Romney, and bigots in the Republican party.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Asparagus is such a troll.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Oh, Romney should disown this guy too. Romney, McCain, Paul, Thompson, Hunter, Tancredo, Rudy, and anyone with a brain appeared on his show. Why?–It is the #1 program in Iowa. Sheesh. Get over it.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
…Steve Deace…
…ATL…
…*yawn*…
November 20th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Suzie,
Wait a minute, ALLLLLLLLL the top candidates appeared on his show?????
Why were THEY all left out of the FPP?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Mitt Romney will not unite this party. What is sorely needed is a true up and comer, someone truly inspirational…someone like Michael Steele
November 20th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
78 are you serious?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
77 – not correct. Huckabee, Brownback and maybe one other.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
SuzieQ, stop being a tool. Kris a dyed in the wool Palin supporter.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
I expect more of this garbage as Iowa, South Carolina and Florida draw closer. But it won’t stick and it won’t work.
Obama’s toast and can say bye-bye to a 2nd term.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Dan,
You’re a reasonable and honest guy.
Do you think Romney accepting and promoting the endorsement of the anti-Mormon, anti-Catholic, and anti-black Bob Jones University bigwigs is better, worse, or the same than the fact that some members from the ARTL voted for Huck?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
MWS, I am not getting into this bigot argument. I was going to post a comment that you and Martha should both knock it off.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
#80
Mr. Lorelli – you ARE here! Welcome! Now, how about an answer as to why the original article has been scrubbed from Race4?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
MWS,
You seem to have a hard time allowing anybody to turn over a new leaf. A person was pro-choice and now is pro-life — unacceptable! They cannot be trusted! A formerly anti-Mormon religious leader reaches out and endorses a Mormon for President — unacceptable! They must be shunned!
Do you not see a problem with that?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
So all-male schools are haters. All-girl schools are haters. All-black schools are haters. They should all immediately stop what they are doing and become homogenous with society at large. They should also all apologize for ever not being homogenous with society at large. What tripe!
Actually, isn’t a little diversity in life and in our country a good thing? What, you don’t mean THAT kind of diversity?
We, the citizens of the United States of America, came from somewhere. If all we can/should do is apologize for where we came from and try to look like everyone else, our country will turn itself inside-out trying to make amends for everything it’s ever done. Wait a minute, that’s what we are doing, isn’t it?
Bottom line is that Mike Huckabee is well-liked and well-spoken. Wherever he goes he will be (almost exclusively) judged by what he says and does and what he has said and done in the past. If he were to start hanging out with Steve Deace all the time and join ARTL, he’d have a major problem. As it is, this “link” to Steve Deace is a little thing that is not going to make or break his image in voters’ eyes.
This link, though, is part of a pattern of links that Mike Huckabee is the religous guy. Mike Huckabee is the militant pro-life guy. Mike Huckabee is the Evangelical/so-con guy.
He’s also the funny guy, the fat-turned-skinny guy, and the Southern guy. Mike Huckabee is a lot of things.
This is a blog, not a fact-checked nightly news show run by professionals. There is room to disagree. If you disagree with Kristofer, I would expect you to register it.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
marK,
“They cannot be trusted! A formerly anti-Mormon religious leader reaches out and endorses a Mormon for President — unacceptable! They must be shunned!”
Even if you think Mitt has the power to absolve Bob Jones’ anti-Mormonism through the power of his acceptance, what of BJU’s anti-Catholicism and racism? Does he absolves ALL sins?
Even if you think Romney speaks for all Mormons in accepting BJU, who gave him the power to speak for all Catholics, or blacks?
Or do we only care about the anti-Mormon stuff?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
86 Did you even read Kristofer’s original post here? It’s Huck being attacked. The comments are just defending Mike. Fair enough?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Lorelli,
It’s obvious you’re trying to smear Huckabee to increase the chance of your Palin hopes. Spreading lies will not help Palin. If you have a problem with what ARTL “uncovered” about Palin’s “record”; PLEASE take it to them. I don’t know much about them other than the little I’ve researched since you began telling your lies; but I’d hope they’d correct the record if you can prove what they posted is false.
Or, are their records true and you just decided to attack the person that might have a consistent pro-life record because you can’t defend Palin’s?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
MWS – on a political website, that’s what we talk about – politics.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
If someone came to you wanting to turn over a new leaf, should you try to encourage such behavior or shun them? Would you insist that they become perfect before you offer them any help?
If that is the way you treat converts to your cause, how many converts do you expect to get?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
ogre,
“MWS – on a political website, that’s what we talk about – politics.”
Right. I think I missed your point though.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
92. The ONLY problem we have is Mitt keeps flippin’ the leaf over
again and again.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
marK,
So endorsing Romney means that BJU is renouncing their anti-Catholicism? Reason that one out for me……
BJU didn’t even express remorse for their racism until Nov. 08, long after Romney gladly accepted their Imprimatur.
BTW, BJU is still doing the anti-Mormon stuff. If I were a Mormon, I’d be ticked at Romney for selling my church out for political gain.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
#93 see #71 – first part
November 20th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
marK,
IOW, endorsing Romney had zero impact on BJU’s anti-Mormonism and anti-Catholicism. How is that turning over a new leaf? All you’re saying is that you’re glad they endorsed your guy, and that’s good enough for you.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
“If I were a Mormon, I’d be ticked at Romney for selling my church out for political gain.”
Anytime you want to listen to the Mormon missionaries, let me know. I’ll make sure they contact you.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
#80
Mr. Lorelli, I posted this once – please excuse if it double-posts. It seems to have disappeared.
Bay Buchanan appeared on Deace during the primaries, in a long interview, representing Tom Tancredo if memory serves. I listened to the whole broadcast. This was before Tancredo folded and before Bay endorsed Romney.
Some candidates send surrogates. I’d be willing to bet others were represented there as well.
Now, still waiting for an answer as to why your original article was scrubbed from Race4. Perhaps Kavon should respond instead?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
If I were a Mormon, I’d still vote for Huck.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Crusade (long ago) = Let’s make sure Jerusalem isn’t controlled by those heretic Muslims.
Crusade (modern times) – let’s make sure the POTUS isn’t a Mormon.
Fighting the good religious fight (long ago) – Martin Luther’s 99 theses seeking change (or at least discussion of change) in the Church.
Fighting the good religous fight (modern times) – let’s make sure no one convinces all our adherents to go somewhere else by talking about why we’re right and they are not.
Being anti-Catholic is going around and shooting all Catholics. I doubt BJU has done that.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
ogre,
I follow you now. But when we define “bigotry” it encompasses far more than who a person votes for. When someone is actively seeking and accepting the endorsement of bigots, that can be a problem. By the standard set for Huck’s supporters. the bigwigs at BJU are bigots, even if they vote for a Mormon. Since this is a political site, I’m asking, is it okay for Romney to accept such an endorsement?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
I noticed that some of the beginning posts are off their numbers. Did Kristofer LoraLIE delete them like he has done to posters in the past.
If race42012 is going to become a place where front page posters can put up pure lies/smears and it is accepted by most of the posters, then it really is not a place that I want to hang out.
Just think about who LoraLIE is going to turn on next. Whoever threatens Palin will be a target.
Are all of you going to sit around and condone your candidate being targeted by LIES/Smears?
How come none of you posters are demanding that LoraLIE post a retraction and an apology?
How come none of you posters are not demanding that LoraLIE be released of his fpp duties?
How many of you had your posts deleted by LoraLIE? How many of you had your posts, reworded, by LoraLIE?
Why aren’t you demanding that he be cut from this site?
Your candidate will be next…..
November 20th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
ogres,
“Being anti-Catholic is going around and shooting all Catholics. I doubt BJU has done that.”
So do you believe that being anti-Mormon means going around and shooting all Mormons? Anything less than genocide is by definition NOT anti-Mormon?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
KRISTOFER!
November 20th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
101. Are you sayin’ that Mitt (if he gets the nomination) won’t beat Obama!!!
I beg to differ!!!
We’re taking back the WH (imo) …
no matter who we run.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
KRISTOFER! What is your problem man? Is it because these people are PASSIONATELY PRO-LIFE? Or is it because you are pro-choice? Get over it. The republican party is SUPPOSED to be the party of life. We SHOULD BE FOR PERSONHOOD AT ALL LEVELS OF LIFE.
I am 100% pro-life. I support the essence of what these people are trying to do, and even though they are NOT associated with Mike Huckabee…you want him to disavow them. What are you smoking? If a group takes something too far, it is NOT a candidates responsibility to reign them in. It is THEIR OWN responsiblity. If they don’t do that to themselves, then they should be ignored. But let me make this clear. If you aren’t for at least “most” of what these people are trying to accomplish, which is an absolute end to abortion…then you probably should find a different tent. You wanna know why? Because if the republican party FAILS to appeal to people like me who base their vote first and foremost on the abortion issue….then they would lose EVERY TIME. Go ahead, piss off the pro-lifers. You want an end to the republican party…then that is the easiest way to do it. And the republican party would deserve it. I will NEVER be a part of a party that abandons the pro-life position.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Anti-whatever means having only an agenda AGAINST something, no agenda FOR something.
Frankly, I know next to nothing about Bob Jones University, but I assume they are FOR their particular brand of Christianity and AGAINST others’ brand of Christianity.
Ex-Mormons for Jesus was/is a group which seemed to have as its sole purpose the tearing down of Mormons and the Mormon Church. That’s an “anti-group.” They didn’t offer anything except a “way out of the lies.” Again, I am not VERY familiar with them, but remember them picketing my church when I was young… shouting, talking loudly, rudely, etc. It left a pretty firm impression that they didn’t want what was best for me.
It’s a pretty fine line, and you’re good at tearing apart flaws in logic, or perceived flaws. Anti-Catholics mean they devote all their time, energy, and resources to defeating Catholicism.
I’d bet they are pro Evangelical (or whatever religious background BJU actually has) rather than anti-Catholic and anti-Black.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
ogre,
So by that understanding, would you identify any of Huck’s supporters as “anti-” since even those who have a serious problem with Mormonism are almost all pro-evangelical?
Do you therefore consider it unfair to portray any of Huck’s supporters as “anti-Mormon,” since even those who oppose the LDS with great passion are ultimately trying to promote something else?
November 20th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
MWS has tried his best to make this about Mitt Romney. This was between a strong Palin supporter and Mike Huckabee. But the tag team part of him had to try to shift it over to Mitt instead.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Texas, I have called for Kris to be removed as a FPP months ago. I agree with you here. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being completely unscrupulous and 10 being totally scrupulous, I would give Kris a 1. He has posted many terrible articles. I really don’t understand why Kavon tolerates him.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
MWS, you’re really not making a lot of sense! Try moving on to another thread, and see if you can do better.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
110.
See 16.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Thank you DanL
If more posters on this site would demand that LoraLIE be taken off fpp duties, then we could solve a problem together.
Imagine that-Huckabee and Romney supporters working together for a cause-a good cause.
I like the sound of that. (smile)
Please, everyone, contact Kavon and demand that LoraLIE be removed as a fpp.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
CR,
LOL!!!! Nice dodge (“there’s nothing to see here, move along……”)
The front page is getting no support. What I have posted are facts, and I’m plumbing the depths of Rombot hypocrisy.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
“Imagine that-Huckabee and Romney supporters working together for a cause-a good cause.”
Obama would lose by 5+ points in the general. : )
November 20th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Relegating a political candidate of another religious persuasion to the trash heap, because they are of that particular religous persuasion would seem anti- as well.
I haven’t heard many of Huck’s supporters say that they could not vote for a Mormon. Some have, but Mike Huckabee himself has said the opposite.
Kristofer Lorelli wrote this,
The insinuation here is that “mainstream Christian leaders” who did not support Mike Huckabee were somehow betrayers of the Faith. Now that, I did hear Mike Huckabee complain about.
Basically, the idea was that, if I weren’t running, then I (Mike Huckabee) could understand why these “mainstream Christian leaders” could support other candidates, but since I AM RUNNING, I can’t understand why they won’t support me (Mike Huckabee).
It’s that attitude that lends credence to the idea that Mike Huckabee is sympathetic to Steve Deace/ARTL methods and attitudes.
November 20th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
#116
I’ve got to admit, the idea has some merit. The devil would be in the details, though, don’t you think? LOL
November 20th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
117. Pathetic attempt by you to smear Mike.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Ogrepete said, “I’ve got to admit, the idea has some merit. The devil would be in the details, though, don’t you think? LOL
”
I would turn that around and say that the good Lord would be in the details.
Forgiveness all around requires the good Lord.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
120.
AMEN
November 20th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
#120
Good point. It would take some good leadership by both Mike & Mitt to get the Mitt & Mike supporters to work together.
#119
I heard and saw that from Mike Huckabee numerous times. If you didn’t see it, you weren’t watching.
I’ve never said that Mike Huckabee is anti- anything, except his political opponents, which makes sense. Obviously Mike Huckabee runs for office to win, not to lose graciously. I would hope every candidate would do that.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
There is nothing wrong with being disappointed in one’s lack of support, my friend Pete. That’s all Huck was expressing. Give the guy a break.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
This thread is a total mess.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
I knew the Palinites would be deperate after their Queen’s approval ratings didn’t go up after Sarah week but I didn’t know how desperate!
November 20th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
I love it how Race Bait loves to make these controversial front posts (remember “Rubio set to adandon Senate bid”) and then doesn’t have the guts to stick around and argue his case! Hmm actually I think I know why he loves Sarah so much
.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
#126 LOL
November 20th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Again, please contact Kavon and ask that LoraLIE be removed as a fpp.
If we don’t ask, we can’t complain that he still is allowed to post.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
128 – kavon_w_nikrad@yahoo.com
November 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
84. Dan, what the heck did I do?
MWS,
Oh for heaven sakes. I don’t even know anything about BJU. I do know that they have a strong disagreement with Mormon and Catholic theology, and have a history of discrimination against blacks, but I don’t think they ever came out and said don’t vote for a Mormon or a Catholic or a black person, but perhaps they did.
I think Mark did a nice job of refuting you. There’s not much more I can add, if you won’t listen to reason.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I’ve been on the receiving end of Lorelli’s wrath before. He’s ‘misrepresented’ me many times and deleted or changed my posts. No one seemed to care too much.
I think it’s about time, however, that people begin to realize that Huck’s associations in the past have not been all that pure. He was connected with the folks who put together the anti-Mitt ad that was basically just a bunch of lies about Romney, and a threat to McCain. Many of these folks are blatant anti-Mormons, and some of them are more quiet about it. Huck doesn’t mind sowing division.
Let’s face it, Huck opened the door to suspicion through his actions in 07-08. Now he has to live with the consequences.
November 20th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
131:
So which are we to believe:
- The strengths of Mitt were insufficient
- Mike’s cunning was stealthy and effective
You can suspect all you want, but you’ve still got to acknowledge more of the factors behind your candidate’s failure.
As you like pointing out with Palin, just blaming someone else isn’t sufficient.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Martha, on a thread like this it would be the best discretion to just leave Huck alone and let Huck and Palin just slug it out. If there were any legitimacy to Lorelli’s article then I could see voicing outrage at Huck. But this is just another completely unscrupulous article in a long list of unscrupulous articles by Kris. It would be better not to drag Romney into this fight.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Martha,
“Oh for heaven sakes. I don’t even know anything about BJU.”
Maybe you should learn.
I guess you didn’t really mean all that stuff about purging bigots from the party, as long as they support Romney. It was just another partisan angle.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Done Texas.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
131. Here it goes again – same old rumor. “He was connected with the folks who put together the anti-Mitt ad that was basically just a bunch of lies about Romney, and a threat to McCain. ”
[b]Proof, please.[/b] By “the folks who put together the anti-Mitt ad…” do you mean ARTL?
That’s what most of us have been refuting on here since the original article, that smeared Mike’s name 3 times in one heading and two sentences.
Mike Huckabee has no connection with ARTL. Please see comments below the blog at
http://thereaganwing.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/national-right-to-life-vs-american-right-to-life-debating-romney/
ARTL hasn’t even rated Huckabee, if you go look at their own website. They would never find him “pure” enough. All they want is a personhood amendment. To them, everything else equals unacceptable compromise. This means that every pro-life bill that Huckabee supported in Arkansas would be anathema in their eyes. It’s easy enough to see that from their own website, and from the way they rate others who are considered VERY pro-life by most people.
Please take a minute and go read both the link comments, and ARTL’s site.
These two posts were apparently just Kris Lorelli’s way of killing several birds with one stone. ARTL gave Palin a poor ranking (that puts her in pretty decent company by most ppl’s standards, btw). Mr. Lorelli took the old Ann Coulter lie, “ARTL is just a front for Huckabee,” and used it to slam Huckabee, Steve Deace, all Huckabee supporters, and, ARTL. And to fan flame wars between Romney and Huckabee fans. Sweet.
If you like pathos, that is.
Still waiting for an explanation from either Mr. Lorelli or Kavon as to WHY the original smear was scrubbed??
November 20th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
MWS,
Churches, organizations and individuals are free to believe whatever the heck they want about my faith. I really don’t care. My problem has always been with the people who said a Mormon can’t be president. I would have the same problem if someone said a Catholic or a Jew, or a black person cannot be president. I don’t concern myself with theology, unless someone deliberately lies or misrepresents it in order to gain politically, which is what Huck did.
Now, if BJU has said that you should not vote for a Mormon, or a Catholic, etc., then I would have a problem with Romney accepting their support. But apparently they haven’t – hence Romney took it as a good sign that an anti-Mormon group/person was willing to honor the no religious test for office ideal.
Get it?
November 20th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
136. No, I’m not talking about the ARTL. I’m talking about the group of many religious-right leaders, many of whom are anti-Mormon who threatened McCain.
They called Huck to let him know about it, and he did not object to the ad before it ran.
What do you make of that?
Why did they call him before they ran it?
Were they looking for approval? (Yes.)
Did they get it? (Yes.)
Did he denounce it as divisive, unfair, untrue? (No.)
Is it possible that he was in on it at an arm’s length? (YES.)
That’s why I say he invited this sort of scrutiny based on his past actions.
November 20th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Thank you again DanL
Any one else willing to email Kavon and ask that LoraLIE be removed as a front page poster?
November 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
138. Thank you for clarifying. Could you please provide support for your statement, “They called Huck to let him know about it, and he did not object to the ad before it ran”?
November 20th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
140. Don’t hold your breath. : )
November 20th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
I haven’t read all the comments… But where is the term “snake oil salesman”, are the Libertarians and Romney supporters who hate Huck going to just call him a “bigot” or “theocrat”. Come on! Without mentioning “snake oil” it just doesn’t have your typical anti-Huck or anti-Christian charm.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
#137
“My problem has always been with the people who said a Mormon can’t be president. I would have the same problem if someone said a Catholic or a Jew, or a black person cannot be president.”
Do you have a problem if someone says a Satanist or an Atheist can’t be President?
November 20th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
143. He he. Funny.
Well, no on the Stanist, and yes on the Atheist.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
142. Anti-Huck and anti-Christian have nothing to do with each other as far as I’m concerned.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
144. Oops, left out the a.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
#144 Why do you accept bigotry and discrimination against Satanists?
As a member of a looked-down-on religion you think you’d not be so bigoted.
I’m going to have to disassociate myself from you on the off chance I ever run for President.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
140. Well, I stand corrected. It was not a call, but an email. Either way, Huck knew about it, every person involved was a Huck supporter, many of them are known anti-Mormons, and Huck did not do ANYTHING to stop it, or register his disagreement.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/06/huckabee-backers-push-ad-slamming-romney/
“But the ex-candidate himself told The Washington Times that he is behind neither the newspaper ads nor the online petition site nomittvp.com, both funded by the previously obscure political action committee Government is Not God (GINGPAC).
“I had nothing to do with the content or placement of the ad”, Mr. Huckabee told The Times. “I know somebody had e-mailed it to me beforehand.”
Mr. Huckabee said of the anti-Romney ad that he has no position on it one way or the other, though he added that I doubt Senator McCain would pick Governor Romney, given their deep philosophical differences”
I had nothing to do with THE CONTENT OR THE PLACEMENT of the ad. ???
Seems like there’s a lot of wiggle room there.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Huckabee is very pro-active on all of the Pro Huckabee sites, and is very active on his own sites. He won’t denonce these people because he relies on the grassroot blogs and Evangelical radio shows around the country to spread his Religious message just as he uses his show on FOX to talk about his Policy.
He knows who these people are and he knows they are anti-Mormon bigots and has associated himself with them… The press saw what Huckabee did in 08′, and they see what he’s doing now…. that’s enough IMO to keep him from running in 2012′, he will never be able to disassociate himself.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
That’s a load of bs lkv
You said, “and they see what he’s doing now…. that’s enough IMO to keep him from running in 2012?”
Huckabee is not doing anything now.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Guys like you will never accept the truth. For many of us, we will never, every vote for Huckabee even if he gets the nomination.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Texas #150
I’m not putting Huckabee down, but I think his associations with many of these people is not a good thing if he runs for President. I also think that 99.99% of Huckabee’s supporters worked hard to get him the nomination and had nothing to do with this crap.
Read Martha’s link in #148.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Romney people, why have you entered this fight? By doing so you have, by extension, drug Romney into this fight. Nothing was said by either the Huck or the Palin folks about Romney. You could have just kept your mouths shut and let the two camps slug it out. Do you not have any self control? If someone placed a bear trap in front of you with an ounce of gold in it would you reach in and take it? Have you guys taken all leave of your senses?
November 20th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
152. THANK YOU
99.99%
IS more like it.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
151.
And Obama will thank you. Enjoy him for 8 years.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
153. Yes, they have.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
153. And Mitt would be ashamed of them. So sad.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
#153 DanL:
It was probably brought up somewhere in the thread by someone other than a Romney supporter.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
lkv, ogrepete started it in 6 and Martha threw on some kerosene in 16. There is no reason for Romney supporters to be arguing on this thread. I can’t stand Huck, but there are appropriate times to fight and to not fight. This is a no brainer to not fight.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
And Martha is so full of crazy conspiracy theories that she may just be a lost cause, Dan. Her views are divisive and in the end will only help the Democrats. Plus she gave her word that she would tone it down. Now we know what that meant.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
160, I happen to agree with Martha almost all the time.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Dan, your tone is Presidential and worthy of Mitt. Martha, not so much. Her type of constant smear tactics against Sarah AND Mike are killing your cause. This Martha person is not intelligent enough to know that Mitt will need them BOTH to become President.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
I didn’t see any Romney people drag him in. It was mostly MWS and Mike & Marco with his/her boring quips but from what I saw it was a fairly respectful conversation.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Ikv, See 29.
and grow up.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
#159
DanL
I’m not saying your wrong, but MWS in #24 and #28 mentioned Romney and linked to a Bob Jones article, but I still think it was a good conversation.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
#164
Mike & Marco
Sorry!
November 20th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Ikv, you really offer nothing but…
Mitt = good
All other candidates = bad
One-trick-pony posts like yours are obnoxious.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
159. Dan,
Yes, I guess I did. It just drives be batty that some people just don’t get Huck, and some of his supporters.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Look, I think you’re on the right track here, and I think we all appreciate how you’ve set up the issue, but I would never want to say that Martha is a pestilent poseur with father issues because I think it’s important that we all maintain a civil tone even when confronted by carping cavilers who promise to reform but never do.
So let’s go about our business with dignity and aplomb, shall we? You do what you can, you know? What more can you do?
November 20th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
WALL STREET JOURNAL BEST-SELLERS*
S
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: November 19, 2009
Filed at 11:34 p.m. ET
NONFICTION
1. ”Open: An Autobiography” by Andre Agassi (Knopf)
2. ”Have a Little Faith: A True Story” by Mitch Albom (Hyperion)
3. ”A Simple Christmas: Twelve Stories that Celebrate the True Holiday Spirit” by Mike Huckabee (Sentinel)
*Sarah Palin’s book should show up on Monday’s chart
When does Mitt’s come out?
November 20th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
169. You’re right. : )
November 20th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Will anyone notice? If Romney writes a book and no one cares, does it really exist?
November 21st, 2009 at 12:27 am
“The message is loud and clear that people want fiscal responsibility, a
different approach to debt and spending, and I’m delighted that she’s going
to be adding to the chorus of voices that are saying that. I have a great
admiration for her. She’s a rock star in our party.”?
-Huckabee, the other day
November 21st, 2009 at 12:42 am
…oops, no question mark
November 21st, 2009 at 1:55 am
Martha says: “Of course Huck should cut all ties with people like Deace. He should not be appearing on his show.”
That would be very convenient for Romney, now wouldn’t it. Deace, with all his faults, continued to chip away at Romney’s supposed conversion on child-killing and marriage. It made a huge difference in Iowa. Martha, it’s called sour grapes. Another WHO host who had Romney for lunch was that “nut” Jan Mickelson. I suppose Huckabee shouldn’t appear on his show, either?
Maybe Huckabee should ask Romney not to appear on the show of slightly unhinged (but frequently on target!) Glen Beck or the right of center Hugh Hewitt’s show either.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:01 am
“Tryin’ to put a wedge between the Mike and Sarah camps are laughable”
This is the most profound political quote of the year. Many folks who support Huckabee would make Palin their second choice and vice versa, unless a viable and true conservative comes along. This is why thoughts that Romney will win in 2012 are like spitting against the win. If and when Palin or Huckabee drop out, 90% of those people will not jump tp Romney.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:14 am
Lol at people thinking that us unimportant annonymous posters have ANY effect on how a candidate will go!
November 21st, 2009 at 2:20 am
Mitt’s book will be dedicated to policy and how we keep America great.
No wonder Palin fans won’t be reading it.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:33 am
Martha,
#137.
So you’re backing off your earlier statement that “bigots don’t believe in the Republican Party?”
It matters not if they believe in racial integration and equality, or treat other faiths with honesty and respect, as long as they’re willing to vote for Romney?
November 21st, 2009 at 2:51 am
“but since I AM RUNNING, I can’t understand why they won’t support me (Mike Huckabee).”
I can’t speak for MH, but I believe the context was not that Mike thought that he deserved the vote because he was the only Christian (as you are implying) but that many Christian leaders were criticizing him on fiscal issues while ignoring their own stated pro-life positions, such as Pat Robertson who endorsed Giuliani or others who supported Romney despite his questionable positions on abortion and marriage.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:26 am
Just what would it take for people to “jump to Romney?” Other than death threats against family members I can’t think of anything. If I were falling off of a cliff and Romney were on a ledge with his hand outstretched I would not “jump to Romney.” Like most Americans, I would take my chances on the pointy rocks below.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:28 am
The author of RomneyCare care wants to lecture us about policy?
I heard Adolph Eichmann just finished a book about human compassion.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:14 am
And how do you propose he should have governed one of the blueest states in the Union?
Just sat on his arse for 4 years and did nothing? That’s not in his make up.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:19 am
Heath,
“Just sat on his arse for 4 years and did nothing? ”
One of the main tenets of conservatism is that doing nothing is better than doing something really bad.
Hence, the uproar over the current health care debate.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:40 am
Mitt is no Calvin Coolidge.
He didn’t spend millions of his own money not to try to turn things around in his beloved state.
And even T/Paw has the decency to concede that the democrats have ruined the plan.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:54 am
“One of the main tenets of conservatism is that doing nothing is better than doing something really bad.” Bingo, be careful about fixing this that are not too broke and don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:02 pm
With respect: Thank you.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Mitt Romney is no Mitt Romney either. Not any more anyway. He’s an ideological cross-dresser who lost himself several make-overs ago. He sold his soul–his principles, his beliefs–for power. But was never able to collect on the power part. How sad is that?
November 21st, 2009 at 12:08 pm
So he did a lot of stupid things, which is in his make up, especially that thick, gloppy pancake tan he slathers on his cheeks and forehead, but also his eye liner and lip gloss. At least we can agree on that. Go Mitt! Keep doing stupid things so that you can never do to the country what you did to MA!
November 21st, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I think everyone would be in a different mood about Mitt, if he had run for office in Utah instead. Especially since he would have had to take a pro-life position earlier to accomodate that. If that would’ve been the case, a lot more of us would be “open” to him, even if we didn’t fully support him.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:24 pm
[...] am sure many of you have read the two recent posts (here and here) by Kristofer Lorelli. I see that the initial post which was here is no longer there. I don’t [...]
November 21st, 2009 at 3:36 pm
d-d-dotan,
I am a Huckabee supporter and I denounce your statements about Mitt Romney. They serve no purpose and are disrespectful.
While I do not agree with Romney and am not a supporter of his, I am a believer in vertical politics. If you are a Huckabee supporter, you are not doing Huckabee any good by your comments.
We can agree to disagree on policies, but let’s leave all the petty personal attacks alone.
We all need to come together in 2012.
Petty attacks will give us 4 more years of Obama.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I disagree. They do serve a purpose, my own, and I am highly respectful of those who do not support Romney.
Huckabee who?
November 21st, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Tex: Dotan’s a jerk and a troll. Ignore him.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:39 pm
P.K.B.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:29 pm
All the excessive verbiage aside, NO ONE has yet shown anything resembling a connection let alone a collaboration between ARTL and Governor Huckabee beyond some people’s sick & twisted wishful thinking.
This is pure slander and those Romney supporters who are cheering Kristofer on are just proving to everyone who stumbles across his articles precisely the quality of support that Romney attracts.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2007/12/more-on-that-an.html
“Just got off the phone with Steve Curtis — former chair of the Colorado Republican party — who’s the president of American Right to Life Action. He says the organization is not supporting any candidate, though his personal preference would be for Alan Keyes. He doesn’t particularly like Mike Huckabee, either, he says. Or, obviously, Rudy Giuliani. He has no views of Fred Thompson other than he enjoyed his work on “Law & Order.”
November 21st, 2009 at 10:29 pm
http://thereaganwing.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/national-right-to-life-vs-american-right-to-life-debating-romney/
Reply from Tony Robinson 2/18/08 to comments that ARTL was a Huckabee front:
I was part of the group of leaders that met in Denver to form American Right to Life. Unlike National Right to Life, our organization does not endorse candidates (NRTL is on the republican payroll – literally. Most organizations donate money to political parties for favors, but NRTL gets paid via the Republican party. This might help to explain why they are so quick to place a rubber stamp on republican candidates that look like they might win in the early part of the race.
American Right to Life Action, however, will target the leading candidate for exposure if they falsely claim to be pro-life. Hopefully, this will put future candidates on notice that they need to truly reflect on whether they are pro-life before going on the campaign trail.
Tony Robinson
supremejustice.org
PS: Huckabee is not, and I doubt ever will be, affiliated with us. Nor is Thompson, or McCain. Alan Keyes was invited because he is likeminded. Keyes is a friend to many pro-lifers, but again ARTL does not endorse candidates. It also does not have a retirement program that requires $$$ to continually roll into the bank account. In fact, the paperwork calls for ARTL to be dissolved in twelve years. Either you are serious about getting rid of abortion, or you go the NRTL route and regulate it so that your pension is not threatened.
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:45 am
[...] bona fides? Well, a blogger has identified the RTL group as Huck hawks. And, when questioned, he got more evidence. Prior to press time here, a debate over this question had broken out at another site - [...]
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
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