I am sure many of you have read Kristofer’s two recent posts (see here.)
If you read the posts, his basic allegation is that Huckabee is connected with American Right to Life which has recently called into question some of Sarah Palin’s pro-life credentials. In short, he is insinuating that Huckabee is using American Right to Life to attack Palin for political gain (to knock her down as potential 2012 competition).
There is no evidence to suggest there is any truth to this claim yet Kristofer is willing to post these wild speculations. Let me break down what Kristofer has written point by point. I will start with his latest post that can be found here:
Kristofer alleges that Huckabee is connected to ARTL because his website links to an Iowa newspaper article about Huckabee appearing on an Iowa radio station almost a year ago where Huckabee talked about his disappointment in some cultural conservative leaders like Gary Bauer not backing his campaign.
SMEAR: “One way for Governor Huckabee to distance himself from this group is to stop linking to them on mikehuckabee.com”
TRUTH: Huckabee’s website does not appear to link to American Right to Life in any way. The link that Kristofer references is to an Iowa newspaper article, not ARTL.
CLAIM: “Huckabee joining in on the ARTL rhetoric by attacking mainstream Christian leaders who supporter Mitt Romney or other POTUS candidates.”
REALITY: Kristopher provides no evidence that ARTL attacked “mainstream Christian leaders” so why should I believe his argument when a major premise of his argument is unsubstantiated? Second, even if Huckabee and ARTL both expressed disappointment in the actions of some “mainstream Christian leaders”, how is that evidence that Huckabee is controlling ARTL? If I speak out against illegal immigration and Nazi groups speak out against illegal immigration is that evidence that I am connected with Nazi groups and am controlling them? Of course not.
Now on to Kristofer’s equally ridiculous other post. Because the post is no longer on the race42008 website, I will only respond to what is quoted from that post here.
CLAIM: “Race42012 began investigating the political organization, American Right to Life (a.k.a. Huckabee’s Iowa firewall) in March of this year, exposing their planned campaign to smear Governor Romney ahead of the 2012 campaign.”
TRUTH:
CLAIM: “Tommy Oliver highlighted the vicious anti-Mormon bigotry this Huckabee-aligned group has engaged in.”
TRUTH:
The link to Tommy’s article which is here, says nothing about anti-Mormon bigotry, in fact it talks about a statement by pastor Bill Killer where he says:
Sadly, Michael (Jackson) grew up in the Jehovah’s Witnesses cult. This is the cult born out of the depraved mind of Charles Taze Russell and denies the very deity of Christ. You can go to Google and type in “cults Jehovah’s Witnesses” and it will give you many websites to document their false theology.
Finally, how is this group “Huckabee-aligned”? It sounds like he is trying to make it seem like they are together in some sort of official alliance. Just because Huckabee is pro-life and ARTL is pro-life doesn’t connect Huckabee any more than the fact that Palin, Romney, Gingrich, etc all describe themselves as pro-life. This claim by Lorelli is utterly ridiculous and I can’t even believe it was ever posted to this respected website or that I had to waste some of my Saturday responding to this drivel.
My rules for testing political claims:
November 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pm
For heaven’s sake Romney people, stay out of this fight.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Let me restate that, don’t drag Romney into this. If you want to stand up to Lorelli and his BS, that is fine.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I haven’t brought Romney in to this at all. I have only responded to specific points / claims by Lorelli.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Dan, it was Kristopher that brought Romney up.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Good work. Hopefully, an apology is in the works…
C’mon, folks – stick to the stated public policies and issues by our candidates.
If you’re into smears and lies, try the Daily Kos. You won’t be disappointed.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:47 pm
David and Adam, my plea was not directed at you but at Martha and company. I am sorry if I caused confusion.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:05 pm
David,
Thank you for addressing this. Good job!
November 21st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Good job, David. Let’s hope we can be done with this nonsense and set our sights on important issues — i.e., a critical closure vote on the disasterous senate health care bill is coming down today — which most likely will pass….leading the way to a majority approval vote in the near future.
It is almost two years before primaries — at least a year and a half before official campaigning — and we don’t even know who the competitors will be. Between now and then, our ambitious congress is attempting to pass every liberal legislation imaginable. I know this site is “race42012″ but that race should be cognizant of the “real world happenings” in actual time.
And when the campaign actually begins, none of the candidates will proceed with the type of rhetoric and hate that has occasionally been witnessed on this site. All three candidates are better than that — and so should we.
And by the way, Huckabee recently stated in his address to the Union Hudson Society that there is nothing personal between him and Romney — they are not close, but they are not arch enemies either. And he went on to say that, if Romney had been Romney last election — just stated his background in economics and his past business experience, he might have very well taken the nomination. And as for Palin, in his new paperback version of “Do the Right Thing,” he has updated a chapter on the election and has been very positive on Palin’s contributions to the election. In recent interviews on his book tour, he has positively stated about Palin, she is a “friend,” she is a “colleague” and “I welcome her conservative viewpoints.”
Now I am just as sure that we can find equally positive statements by Romney and Palin about Huckabee. So, come on, guys (and gals), let’s try to follow the examples our potential candidates set for us.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:31 pm
I would like it if Kristofer would address these issues. It appears he has made some false or misleading statements and he should explain them.
By the way, I share his opposition to Huckabee, am totally opposed to ARTL’s position on abortion, and I consider Deace and Keller to be lower than buried whale turds.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:36 pm
“I consider Deace and Keller to be lower than buried whale turds.”
Me too.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:12 pm
I believe it was , who near the end of the primary, stated, “We made an error” in not supporting Governor Huckabee. Now we have someone playing games. Truth is in the fact that we have but one goal, the Quest for liberty and Freedom which only comes from the Conservative Mantra at this hour.
We all are of the same Quest and at this moment, it is clear, the Constitution and all the fruit to will bear if we but adhere. This passion is found in many groups to include that of the Huckabee*Palin. The Libertarian, the Constitution, the Paul Groups, conservative independents, All hold to the Truth of going by the Constitution, not to mention the Constitution’s Authors thru to Reagan, thru the 2009-2012 TeaPartys.
These arrows of dark will not quench this unity for the Constitution. Let us be united before the primary, solidified in the outcome.
Constitution & FairTax Please~
November 21st, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Who was it at a Social Conservative Leader meeting near the end of the primary, stating, “We made a mistake” in not supporting Governor Huckabee. Now we have someone playing games. Truth is in the fact that we have but one goal, the Quest for liberty and Freedom which only comes from the Conservative Mantle at this hour.
We all are of the same Quest and at this moment, it is clear, the Constitution and all the fruit it will bear if we but adhere. This passion is found in many groups to include that of the Huckabee*Palin. The Libertarian, the Constitution, the Paul Groups, the 912, the conservative independents. All hold to the Truth of going by the Constitution, not to mention the Constitution’s Authors thru to Reagan, thru the 2009-2012 TeaPartys.
These arrows of dark will not quench this unity for the Constitution. Let us be united before the primary, before the crossover vote, solidified in the outcome.
Constitution & FairTax Please~
November 21st, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Oh ya, I forgot Fred Thompson. He is wake and on fire for the Constitution. Right Fred?
November 21st, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Thank you David for your good work.
I still think that Kristofer Lorelli should be removed from his post as a front page poster. Race42012 is read throughout the political world and should have a standard of fact based information. Allowing blatant lies, smears, petty attacks to be the front page post does a disservice to the whole Republican party. We all have to come together in 2012. We do not want another 4 years of Obama.
Kavon, as many of your readers have stated, they would also like Lorelli removed. Will you keep him as a fpp? What standards have you set? And if you are going to keep him as a fpp, would you please tell us why he is worthy of that privilege?
November 21st, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Great post David. It was right on. Kristofer was spreading lies.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Lolz. Yes do defend ARTL. Please do. Defend Keller too.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Please forgive the nature of the following post. formatting is sadly an area this site lags a bit in.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:58 pm
“As a candidate whom many pro-lifers want to support, her actual abortion record and rhetoric is shocking to the conscience.”
prolifeprofiles (dot) com/palin Sarah’s profile on ARTL
alternet (dot) org/politics/144009/anti-abortion_group_to_protest_palin/
Clearly Anti-Palin.
Romney:
“Our new 527 group, American Right To Life Action, went head-to-head against false pro-lifer Mitt Romney in three early contests..”
christiannewswire (dot) com/news/459195535 (dot) html
“The evidence is indisputable– Mitt Romney is lying to get Christian votes,” said vice president of ARTL Action, Columbine dad Brian Rohrbough. “Pro-life leaders like Bob Jones III have been deceived by Mitt Romney and American Right To Life Action calls upon Dr. Jones to retract his endorsement of this pro-abortion politician.”
artlaction (dot) com/release/20080116/right-life-leaders-battle-over-romney
artlaction (dot) com/release/20080825/romney-exit-transform-pro-life-endorsements Vicious Anti-Romney Ad from ARTL
“National Right To Life had endorsed two candidates, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson,” said Steve Curtis, president of the alternative American Right To Life Action. “Thompson, who opposes a human life amendment, withdrew on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, and Romney withdrew on the opening day of CPAC” (Conservative Political Action Conference). “The partisan, old guard pro-life leaders like Paul Weyrich, Bob Jones, National RTL’s political architect James Bopp, and Jay Sekulow, all of whom endorsed pro-abortion Romney,” said Curtis, “are thankfully losing their influence among those committed to pro-family issues.”
wnd (dot) com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55642 Bill Keller’s thoughts on Romney.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:05 pm
So yeah I call BullSh!t on the following comments:
“Kristopher provides no evidence that ARTL attacked “mainstream Christian leaders” so why should I believe his argument when a major premise of his argument is unsubstantiated?” Just because your question isn’t technically a lie it is bullsh!t.
“3.What is the ARTL campaign to smear Romney? What is this campaign called? I just looked at the American Right to Life website and didn’t see anything on their home page about Romney. While their “Prolife Profiles” site has a profile of Romney, they have profiles of many significant pro-life people.”
November 21st, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Mcon = Why are you smearing the Republican frontrunner currently at the top of nearly every poll?
I call desperation on your part. And failure.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:18 pm
jillstanek (dot) com/archives/2009/04/tonight_artl_an.html
Attacking other prolife leaders.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Whaaa?
I’m not smearing anyone. No where did I mention the Huckster. I’m simply responding. If you are feeling guilty and need to bring in Huckabee so be it. But I didn’t.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I frankly think the ticket in 2012 will be Romney and Huckabee, and supporters of both will have to take a big gulp and get with the program. Like Kennedy and Johnson in 1960, this GOP ticket would probably blow Obama and Biden out of the water…..if Biden is still on the ticket in 2012.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Mcon, none of your links work…
Again, why are you trying to smear Governor Huckabee? This thread is about stopping the smears and to stop trying to drive a wedge between our top candidates.
If we don’t come together, Obama wins.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:30 pm
www (dot) reuters (dot) com/article/pressRelease/idUS158217+27-Mar-2009+PRN20090327
anncoulterapology (dot) com
Yes. Keller. Is. Connected. With. ARTL.
And yes your man Huckabee welcomed the support of these people and MOST DEFINITELY fostered this behavior with some of his antics last time.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I frankly think that someone must be standing on your oxygen hose. Call for the nurse.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:31 pm
22. You’re so obviously trying to hurt Mike/Sarah with all these smears.
You’ve failed. They’re not goin’ away, my friend.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Mike & Marco,
It isn’t my fault you can’t cut, paste, delete, and enter “.” where needed. Once again I have not smeared anyone. anywhere. I am responding to claims made by Schmidt which are demonstrably false.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:33 pm
The irony of all……. This coming from this author……..
November 21st, 2009 at 4:35 pm
25. Mcon, so you admit it: Huck smears by you.
And you think you’re helping Romney with this garbage?
November 21st, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Mcon, learn how to properly link. ; )
November 21st, 2009 at 4:38 pm
30,
see #26 and apply to self.
Do us all a favor and quote as in use “” to get something from #18 which is a smear of Huckabee or not factual. If you don’t wish to do that then just sit back and savor the sound of a silent keyboard.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:40 pm
I’m perfectly capable of linking. Unfortunately I don’t have time for spam filters to hold up messages with more than one link in them. See #17.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Kris “Erickson of Redstate.com is a ‘race pimp’” Lorelli really made a mess here. He’s bring people together.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Bringing, that should be.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Um, what? Get something from #18? Why do I want to do that?
November 21st, 2009 at 5:01 pm
36,
No idea. Then again I wasn’t talking to you…Unless you are Bipolar and wrote #30 with a different name.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:09 pm
You quoted me in #32, weirdo. Now you want to say you weren’t addressing me? OK., whateverz.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Mcon #16: “Lolz. Yes do defend ARTL. Please do. Defend Keller too.”
Who is defending ARTL or Keller? I see nothing in the original posts, nor in any of the comments preceding yours that did either.
The question is whether Kristofer made assertions of close ties between them and Huckabee that he did not back up. At the moment, it appears that he did so, but perhaps he can explain his posts.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:13 pm
I also quoted Bill Keller in 18. That doesn’t mean i was talking to him. Perhaps you missed the “30,” in my post which commonly means i’m talking to whoever wrote #30.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:17 pm
You know a little google goes a long ways. Perhaps you may want to rethink your position. Why are so many supporters of Huckabee such hypocrits.
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/54635482.html
and least we forget.
http://trueromney.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/anti-romney-mudslinger-david-r-schmidt-huckabee-supporter-director-of-hucks-army/
November 21st, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Bob,
There are multiple questions that I am addressing. You are free to address whatever questions you feel the need to address.
1. Is the ARTL anti-Palin? Yes.
2. Is the ARTL anti-Romney? Yes.
3. Does this group smear those pro-life leaders who have been supportive of Romney? Yes.
4. Is this group supportive of Huckabee? Yes.
5. Does this make Huckabee inherently bad? NO.
6. Is Bill Keller a lunatic? Yes.
7. Are the folks at ARTL lunatics? Yes.
8. Does this make Huckabee a lunatic? No.
9. Does Schmidt attempt to change the facts regarding #1, #2, #3, #4, #6, #7? Yes.
10.Does that make Huckabee a dishonest politician? No.
11.Has Huckabee welcomed support from these quarters? Yes.
12.Did Huckabee intentionally or unintentionally encourage this behavior from fringe groups and individuals with clear bigoted ideas in the last election cycle? Yes.
13.Did Huckabee organize Iowa in churches and use an army of pastors? Yes. I was there.
14.Does that mean Huckabee is a bigot? I wouldn’t say for sure to be honest.
15.Does it make me dislike him? Yes.
See bob we all have questions. Mine aren’t necessarily the same as yours.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Why is ARTL anti-Palin? Please excuse my ignorance.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Mcon and others are determined to divide Mike and Sarah. And smearing is their game of choice.
They really must be overly concerned with IOWA and think that they can detour our candidates with obvious lies.
LOL at that plan. Won’t work.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:36 pm
http://prolifeprofiles.com/palin
Feel free to read the whole thing but that is the ARTL report on Palin. Tier 4 is where all the godless are.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Huckster is a pro-life Democrat.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Huck has made quite a few comments that smack of envy, when he complains of all the attention that Sarah is getting, basically saying that if he had legs like Sarah, he would get the same crowds. Perhaps they are more innocent Huck jokes, but I’m sensing some envy there. Perhaps its nothing. We’ll see.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Mcon: You certainly are free to address whatever questions you want, but you also said, “Lolz. Yes do defend ARTL. Please do. Defend Keller too.”
And therefore, I will repeat my question to you: Who is defending them?
November 21st, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Bob,
We both know this is a defense of ARTL whether implicit or explicit.
Would Schmidt say the same thing about the quotes I added to the forum?
November 21st, 2009 at 5:47 pm
I did miss that. Please forgive me.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:51 pm
The message is loud and clear that people want fiscal responsibility, a different approach to debt and spending, and I’m delighted that she’s going to be adding to the chorus of voices that are saying that. I have a great admiration for her. She’s a rock star in our party.
-Mike Huckabee
November 21st, 2009 at 6:06 pm
“We both know this is a defense of ARTL whether implicit or explicit.”
You may know it, but I don’t.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:14 pm
51,
If you don’t feel that Schmidt is attempting to throw water on Kris’s claim then I can’t help you.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
#50 Be Careful of voting for a Rock Star. Obama was also a “so called rock star”, and look what that got us. That’s the problem with today’s media and voter—-All Style and no Substance.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:53 pm
#53 Correction Thats the problem with Sarah and Obama. All Style and No Substance.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:57 pm
“If you don’t feel that Schmidt is attempting to throw water on Kris’s claim then I can’t help you.”
Obviously that’s what he’s doing — he was quite explicit about it. But what you said he was doing was defending ARTL and Keller. Not the same thing.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I’ll say. The problem with Romney is that he sorely lacks style, substance, or sound judgment.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Quite. Defending is also not the same thing as supporting. Perhaps you should brush up on those two words. Schmidt implicity defended ARTL and explicity defended Keller.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:39 pm
I see three references to Keller in the post:
1. He quotes the link from Tommy Oliver’s post and notes that it is an attack on Jehovah’s Witnesses rather than Mormons. Is that a defense of Keller? I don’t see how.
2. He asks “how is a statement by pastor Bill Keller evidence that ARTL is an anti-Mormon group?” In what way is that a defense of Keller?
3. He asks, “What evidence does he have that connected Bill Keller with ARTL?” Again, I don’t see how that is a defense.
As for ‘implicit’ defense — since that’s something you are reading into the text, I have no way to argue it.
Perhaps the poster loves Keller and ARTL — I don’t know. But this post is about Kristofer’s attacks on them. While I agree with Kristofer in opposing them, that does not justify false attacks, which it appears Kristofer’s may have been.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Appears to have been!? I would vote for Kristofer’s attacks are false, baseless, snide, arrogant, vindictive, divisive, and a distraction.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:56 pm
[...] Schmidt continues to mislead the readers of Race42012. I usually shy away from calling out my teammates for misleading our [...]
November 21st, 2009 at 8:47 pm
59. Thanks, Dotan.
But, Kris and the Romney bunch here
have only begun to coordinate their
unfounded smears, my friend. : )
See 60. I’m done with this site for a
while. Fight the good fight with these nutty people. They are an extreme wacky group. Period.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Wow, what a lot of nipping. First, Molly, measuring Huckabeed as a State Governor of a liberal State at the time and how he as Presient under a completely different set of Constitutional powers is not fair nor accurate. Gov. Huckabee is a Federalist, for Constitutional Government, adhering to the State Sovereignty prescribed by the Constitution.
As to the Romney supporters, my question is are you Nationalists, because Gov. Romney is the Shadows 2005 annointed one of the RNC, part of the RINO group. And as for using negative comments, it would make me wonder if you Romney supporters are actually paid staff reflecting Mitt’s method of reasoning.
Instead of fighting who will be what in 2012, let’s unite and get 2010 done, bring both the Senate and the House back to a grassroots GOP, truly conservative to the Founders values. Re-Founding is what Judge Politano calls it. Leave 2012 for 2011
November 21st, 2009 at 9:23 pm
#43
“Mcon and others are determined to divide Mike and Sarah.”
Bull crap. You want it to be that, but it is not.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:25 pm
#59
Dotan, I love how whenever you describe someone you hate you do so with many different words which actually reflect what you are accusing them of! “We see through a glass darkly” Dotan.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:04 pm
All the excessive verbiage aside, NO ONE has yet shown anything resembling a connection let alone a collaboration between ARTL and Governor Huckabee beyond some people’s sick & twisted wishful thinking.
This is pure slander and those Romney supporters who are cheering Kristofer on are just proving to everyone who stumbles across his articles precisely the quality of support that Romney attracts.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2007/12/more-on-that-an.html
“Just got off the phone with Steve Curtis — former chair of the Colorado Republican party — who’s the president of American Right to Life Action. He says the organization is not supporting any candidate, though his personal preference would be for Alan Keyes. He doesn’t particularly like Mike Huckabee, either, he says. Or, obviously, Rudy Giuliani. He has no views of Fred Thompson other than he enjoyed his work on “Law & Order.”
November 21st, 2009 at 10:06 pm
http://thereaganwing.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/national-right-to-life-vs-american-right-to-life-debating-romney/
Reply from Tony Robinson 2/18/08 to comments that ARTL was a Huckabee front:
I was part of the group of leaders that met in Denver to form American Right to Life. Unlike National Right to Life, our organization does not endorse candidates (NRTL is on the republican payroll – literally. Most organizations donate money to political parties for favors, but NRTL gets paid via the Republican party. This might help to explain why they are so quick to place a rubber stamp on republican candidates that look like they might win in the early part of the race.
American Right to Life Action, however, will target the leading candidate for exposure if they falsely claim to be pro-life. Hopefully, this will put future candidates on notice that they need to truly reflect on whether they are pro-life before going on the campaign trail.
Tony Robinson
supremejustice.org
PS: Huckabee is not, and I doubt ever will be, affiliated with us. Nor is Thompson, or McCain. Alan Keyes was invited because he is likeminded. Keyes is a friend to many pro-lifers, but again ARTL does not endorse candidates. It also does not have a retirement program that requires $$$ to continually roll into the bank account. In fact, the paperwork calls for ARTL to be dissolved in twelve years. Either you are serious about getting rid of abortion, or you go the NRTL route and regulate it so that your pension is not threatened.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:59 pm
This is a lame version of I know you are but what am I. Let me guess: Romney supporter?
November 21st, 2009 at 11:16 pm
#67
“This is a lame version of I know you are but what am I”
If it were the case it would actually be a better more mature version, but as you have displayed time and again you lack intelligence to articulate and understand the true meaning of things. I am a Romney supporter, but what does that have to do with me calling you out on name calling when it isn’t even directed at Romney.
You are a dishonest ( I couldn’t say ‘intellectually dishonest’ as I know you don’t have an intellect) viper bent on projecting yourself onto those who you, for some twisted psychological disorder, see as threats to your character. This is a guess, but in the chambers of your souls I’d be willing to bet it is true.
Am I wrong about your obsessive name calling?
November 21st, 2009 at 11:18 pm
#67
P.S. I think that What Kristopher did was out of line, unless he can come up with evidence somehow, but if he should go, you surely must. You are the most divisive character on this site. Even MWS pointed that out.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:05 am
Competent Conservative wrote:
“Am I wrong about your obsessive name calling?”
Maybe you should read some of your own posts in this thread where you call people:
“dishonest viper”
“the most divisive character on this site”
{Someone with a} “twisted psychological disorder”
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:58 pm
David,
I don’t know what the heck all this is about since I’m not able stay up on the day to day stuff, and I haven’t read the comments above mine so it may have been addressed. I am not weighing in on whatever is going on right now, just clarifying that post you linked to:
What Keller was involved in was the “A Vote For Romney is a Vote For Satan” shenadigans during the last primaries. He also attacked Fred Thompson’s denomination.
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
What is this I see??? The return of Dotan??? I’ve missed you!!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
[...] the first post is apparently now unavailable on this web site, I will quote David’s post. The “claim” is in referral to Kristofer’s post, while the “truth” [...]
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pm
You write:
My projection? My obsessive name calling? How ironic that you accuse someone else of obsessive name calling and projection in the very act of projecting and name calling. In my discipline we call this a performative contradiction.
P.K.B., clown.
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
#71. FTW.
November 24th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I see several references here to http://prolifeprofiles.com/ “attacking” Republican leaders like Palin, but is it really an attack when http://prolifeprofiles.com/ says in it’s lead sentence;
“If you are a leader listed on Prolife Profiles and you want to raise your ranking, all you need to do is ask. Let us know which Tier describes your commitment to personhood and the God-given right to life of the unborn, and we will take you at your word.”
Upon further review of the site, http://prolifeprofiles.com/ has offered $100 to anyone who can point out a factual error and the information appears to be very well documented.
If you claim to be prolife to trick Christians into voting for you, then you deserve to be outed as someone who is willing to kill at least some kids to get your power.
How much murder are you willing to tolerate? The “Exceptions Calculator” for George Bush is fascinating: http://exceptionscalculator.com/node/3?code=George%20W.%20Bush|President|United%20States|2001|2009|1137025|51002|150069|196434|10974|0.3|0.3|0.2|||0|0|0|0|0|0|0|x|x|x|x|x|x|x||||||||%3EGeorge%20W.%20Bush
The page on Romney is the most damning thing I have seen in years. Let us know when you you get your first $100 from American RTL by finding a mistake or if you have the guts to admit that Romney is a total power hungry fake.