David Schmidt continues to mislead the readers of Race42012. I usually shy away from calling out my teammates for misleading our readers, but in this case I have no choice but to tell the truth, since so many people appear to be accepting David’s false statements.
David also made the bizarre accusation that we do not work together as a team to investigate other web sites, issues and rumors.
Race42012 doesn’t investigate anything as a website to my knowledge, only individual writers do.
We DO investigate as a team and in fact some of us are usually in contact with writers from other sites to pool resources. Three members of the senior R412 staff have been in contact with one of the sources that has made many of the accusations against Governor Huckabee and his team. Many members R412’s senior staff also work together to coordinate interviews with political figures and beltway insiders.
As an example; twelves months ago I was given a tip that members of the Club for Growth had aggressively confronted Governor Romney at a meeting in Florida, over alleged liberal economic policies he introduced in MA. I contacted writers from other sites, the Director of Communications from the CFG and sent a message to three members of R412’s staff to assist me in verifying this tip.
We determined that the information I received was mostly false and did not warrant a front page post. This of course did not prevent USA Today from publishing the false accusations later in the week.
David, just because you have not been included, does not make it false.
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David is a professional political hack, only loyal to the Presidential campaign of Governor Huckabee. I have always turned a blind eye to his false statements on the relationship between hucksarmy and Governor Huckabee. I am also guilty of not telling the truth to the rightroots, when I defended David and Governor Huckabee from the accusations made by pro-Romney websites, that Governor Huckabee had full knowledge of many of the anonymous anti-Romney web sites that David and his team developed on behalf of Huck. In fact, I failed to tell the truth to some of our own 2nd page contributors, such as Illinoisguy on email when I stated, “Governor Huckabee probably has never even logged in to hucksarmy“.
The reason why I did this was because I wanted our readers to provide David with an opportunity to contribute to this site without constantly attacking David for his smears of Governor Romney and his family.
I apologize to Illinoisguy and the other Romney supporters for not telling the truth, and in fact I can tell you that the viciousness of the attacks against Governor Romney from Huckabee’s grassroots went further than a couple of slimy web sites.
David would have you believe that there are no ties between Governor Huckabee, his grassroots organizers and American Right to Life. This is also a false statement. ARTL was a front group for Governor Huckabee during the 2008 campaign. Team Huckabee and Huckabee’s grassroots organizers (including the leadership of hucksarmy) coordinated their attacks with ARTL. Ironically enough, David (D.R.) Schmidt was one of the grassroots organizers that is guilty of playing a role in this coordination (notice how the information David posted was identical to the talking points used by Deace, Enyart, Jackson and Keller in March of this year), minus the comparison of LDS and Muslims.
I am not suggesting that David is a member of ARTL, but he did assist with coordinating the efforts of Huckabee’s grassroots and the ARTL post-Iowa caucus. David sent the following message to Huckabee supporters just after the New Hampshire primary;
Please Contact Donna Ballentine
American Right To Life Action1-888-888-ARTL (2785)
office@ARTLaction.comRay Greybar
Ross Mountain Public Relations
Rjrossmountain@aol.com
What is significant about this coordination, is that Donna Ballentine and Ray Greybar were the organizers behind the most disgusting attacks on Governor Romney, which included campaign literature distributed in Super-Tuesday States covered with images of Governor Romney and aborted, decaying fetuses.
David may respond to this post by stating that the grassroots has never coordinated with Governor Huckabee, but if that is the case, why did Governor Huckabee meet with his most important grassroots organizers (including Michael Brown) on November 18th of this month?
David, were you also at the meeting with Huckabee and Brown? What was discussed and what are Governor Huckabee’s plans for 2012?
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Editor’s Note: Based on the gratuitousness of the anti-Romney abortion literature, I decided not to post the images on this site. They can be located through a google search.
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Kristofer Lorelli can be contacted at lorville@rogers.com, on Facebook and Twitter/Kris_Lorelli
November 21st, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Wow, what a breath of fresh air.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I don’t come here THAT often, but I do have to say that I see no difference between Huckabee’s “coordination” with ARTL and Romney’s “coordination” with CFG.
Romney did ally himself with pro-choicers, and did help sign into a law a plan that now allows for taxpayer-funded abortions. If he thinks these positions are the right ones, fine – but he had to run that by the GOP primary voters first. And I see no problem with pro-life groups calling out Romney for the abhorrent stances he took, just as the CFG reminded us all of Huckabee’s tax hikes as governor. That’s why these groups exist, isn’t it? So that Non-conservative candidates don’t advance within the party?
November 21st, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Brian,
Romney coordinated with CFG? That’s news. They’re not exactly thrilled with Romney’s record.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:21 pm
This is nothing new to anyone who really understands what has been going on–but its nice to finally get an acknowlegement.
Huckabee, and his followers, will never win on the merits of Huckabee’s scandal ridden administration with corruption, pardons for murderers and rapists, etc. Nor would he ever prevail simply on his plan for America. The only way he would be successful is simply to appeal to our baser instincts–for example, religious bigotry. To compete, Huck and his followers, designed a covert operation to try and smear his republican opponents–Romney and Palin (if, or when, she poses a threat).
That is why many could not believe Race would allow such a person as Schmidt to join. I don’t know, perhaps Palin supporters though he would help take down Romney, leaving room for Palin, but now with the attack on Palin are having second thoughts?? Maybe not.
But any who would help elect a man like Huckabee should be ashamed.
And this is just par for the course with Huckabee. He was widely known as corrupt, petty and vindictive to anyone who dared question of oppose him. All the while hiding under a guise of religious sanctimony–fooling only those blinded by their own bigotry. I pity our great nation if such a man ever achieved the presidency.
Thanks for finally admitting what any but the blind have been able to see.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:35 pm
4. Steve, well said.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Wow…I always knew huckabee was a snake in the grass. A huge thank you to the author of this piece for exposing both mike huckabee and David Schmidt. These people are vile…I don’t know how they can sleep at night.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Does Kavon endorse this post?
Is David Schmidt still a frontpage poster or has he been gotten rid of?
I think a lot of us would appreciate answers to those questions.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Seriously, our whole way of life is being stolen from us, tonight,. I never thought this could happen in this country, this is what parents fled Cuba for, so I wouldn’t be raised like a Young Pioneer, This is embarassing really.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Wow looks like Kris was actually right here.
Good post.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:09 pm
4. Steve
Like Brian I do not come here often, but I intend to help Gov. Huckabee get elected (if is chooses to run) and I am not the least bit ashamed . . . in fact I am quite proud of my decision to support him.
It might be hard for you regulars here at R42012 to accept, but Gov. Huckabee has very smartly and on his own terms placed himself before the American people and they are liking what they see. Through his Fox show, his radio segments (Huckabee Report), book sales, appearances at events/dinners, Huck PAC, etc. he is reaching them. In fact, I attended an event today with about 1500 conservative activists and Huck’s name was on everyone’s lips. No one was talking about Romney, but a few were mentioning Palin (they like her but don’t think she is solid enough to be prez).
I have to chuckle at all of the “intrigue” here over CFG or ARTL and who said this or did that. The average voter is totally oblivious to the things all of you are so intense about, but one thing they are taking note of is the man who I think will be POTUS 45 – Gov. Mike Huckabee.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Doug
I never liked Schmidt, not because of his trueromney site, or because he wanted to start an operationstopmitt site, he can make his claims, and the truth will be found out one way or another. The reason I didn’t want him to be an FFP is because he is involved with Hucksarmy, where a lot of bad stuff about Mormons was tolerated, if not encouraged.
Ive seen it with my own eyes, so don’t ever try to say it was not there. It was at Huck’s own blog, and other pro-Huck sites, as well.
A lot has been said, so I won’t rehash it again. I know everyone gets tired of my rants about it. But the bottom line is that we don’t need these kind of things in our party.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:16 pm
And if Huckabee got the nomination, I would be forced for the first time in my life to vote for a democrat as abhorrent as that would be, Huckabee is much, much worse.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:17 pm
SLA,
Then I guess you really don’t mind that Huck is a divider, and used religion against Romney.
Just so we’re clear.
Is there anything you can learn about Huck that would dissuade you?
I’ve never been able to understand how you guys can just ignore the glaring red flags of Huck.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:24 pm
2:
Providing for abortions is court mandated in MA. It has nothing to do with Romney. That’s one of the more ridiculous charges from the Huckabee camp.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:26 pm
These people give the GOP a bad name. We can’t possibly appeal to independents with neo-reconstructionists like Huckabee running the party. Huckabee should answer for this.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:43 pm
This is whole back-and-forth is getting ridiculous. We need a united front if we are going to win in 2010 or in 2012. These charges and counter-charges hurt everyone involved. If Huckabee is the nominee, I’ll support him. If Romney is the nominee, I’ll support him. If Palin is the nominee, I’ll support her. Instead of dealing in ridiculous side issues about theology, how about the boosters of each candidate talk about their policies for the country? Or how about speculating on how they can win the nomination and the general election? Tearing each others eyes out over some overtly enthusiastic supporters is not going to help anyone except Obama and the Democrats.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Pure, outright baloney.
Go look again at the link above accusing David of “coordiation”. It links to David’s personal blog (note: not Hucks Army), where he posted, in full, a press release from ARTL about Mitt Romney.
The “message” you claim he sent was nothing more than the contact information located directly beneath the press release.
What’s the matter, Lorelli? Job on the line?
November 21st, 2009 at 9:44 pm
*”coordination”
November 21st, 2009 at 10:05 pm
16. I agree with you that we need to be united, but this is not really about theology.
It’s about the kind of people Huck uses, the kind of campaign he runs, and the kind of person he is.
I sure as heck will never, ever support him.
Best to get these things out in the open – and the sooner the better.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm
In this Sunni-Shia conflict…
it’d good to be a Kurd
That being said this one of Kris’ is rather interesting, to say the least, even if its not too significant for me. I wasn’t going to go vote for Huckabee anytime soon, though I’d surely support him against Obama unless his team had gotten *really* out of hand.
And Michael Brown, you mean Mr. “Heckuva job, Brownie!” epic faliure from the Katrina relief efforts? That might explain the great success of his fundraising. I still have significant questions about Huckabee’s ability to handle national issues, especially defense ones.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm
All the excessive verbiage aside, NO ONE has yet shown anything resembling a connection let alone a collaboration between ARTL and Governor Huckabee beyond some people’s sick & twisted wishful thinking.
This is pure slander and those Romney supporters who are cheering Kristofer on are just proving to everyone who stumbles across his articles precisely the quality of support that Romney attracts.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2007/12/more-on-that-an.html
“Just got off the phone with Steve Curtis — former chair of the Colorado Republican party — who’s the president of American Right to Life Action. He says the organization is not supporting any candidate, though his personal preference would be for Alan Keyes. He doesn’t particularly like Mike Huckabee, either, he says. Or, obviously, Rudy Giuliani. He has no views of Fred Thompson other than he enjoyed his work on “Law & Order.”
November 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm
http://thereaganwing.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/national-right-to-life-vs-american-right-to-life-debating-romney/
Reply from Tony Robinson 2/18/08 to comments that ARTL was a Huckabee front:
I was part of the group of leaders that met in Denver to form American Right to Life. Unlike National Right to Life, our organization does not endorse candidates (NRTL is on the republican payroll – literally. Most organizations donate money to political parties for favors, but NRTL gets paid via the Republican party. This might help to explain why they are so quick to place a rubber stamp on republican candidates that look like they might win in the early part of the race.
American Right to Life Action, however, will target the leading candidate for exposure if they falsely claim to be pro-life. Hopefully, this will put future candidates on notice that they need to truly reflect on whether they are pro-life before going on the campaign trail.
Tony Robinson
supremejustice.org
PS: Huckabee is not, and I doubt ever will be, affiliated with us. Nor is Thompson, or McCain. Alan Keyes was invited because he is likeminded. Keyes is a friend to many pro-lifers, but again ARTL does not endorse candidates. It also does not have a retirement program that requires $$$ to continually roll into the bank account. In fact, the paperwork calls for ARTL to be dissolved in twelve years. Either you are serious about getting rid of abortion, or you go the NRTL route and regulate it so that your pension is not threatened.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:19 pm
22. QVA – I posted this same information TWICE over here, on the last two smears. They don’t have ears to hear.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Kris…….thanks for the honesty. I and many others had varying degrees of success identifying many links and much cooperation between the Huckabee campaign, Huckabee grassroots supporters, and anti-Mormon people and groups…..including Mr. David Schmidt.
Every time that I posted any of this information, I was always charged with being delusional,hyper sensitive, and having a “victim” psychology….and even of hating “Christians.”
All of the denial across the GOP and media (not all but some) and the continued deceptive and insidious attacks against Gov. Romney (and now Sarah Palin and probably soon against Tim Pawlenty as well) from people who claim to be “conservatives” and the “base of the GOP” is truly disgusting and unacceptable.
We all know some of these people frequent Race 4 2012 and truly damage the reputation of this site. I for one was tired of dealing with them three years of their constant antics, so I was very surprised and reassured to see your post Kris……thank you.
I’m not going to hold my breath that the MSM will raise their standards and drop their agenda against the GOP and conservative candidates, but as we in the GOP work to “make the tent bigger,” I really hope we find we don’t have room for lying, deceiving, back-stabbing, two-faced, faux-conservatives.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Frankly the post I saw about the ATL puts shiver down my spine. They may call them selfs a pro-life group, but based on what I read, they are far from it. Its purpose seems to slam individuals as they choose. They are in my opinion, un-american and are a what gives conservatives a bad name.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pm
@19, Martha, Martha, I am anxious about many things – like how you can rant on & on about the quality & character of Huckabee’s supporters when Romney was endorsed by “the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon!” BJU? As a devout Catholic, I am disgusted that Romney failed to disavow the support of those anti-Catholic bigots! But anything for a vote, I guess. Of course, he’s a Mormon, so he’s probably a closet anti-Catholic himself and so are his supporters or they would call him out on it…
Footnote: For those new to this site, I do not seriously believe any of this. It’s just my way of tweaking Martha for her Huckabee-derangement syndrome by turning her own rants back on her. Not that it is likely to have any effect on her derangement, but it brings light for others to see the darkness…
November 21st, 2009 at 10:24 pm
P.S. Mr. Lorelli – you have yet to explain why the original smear was scrubbed from Race4. I can only you don’t have an answer…at least not one you want your “followers” to hear.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:27 pm
@23, Sorry, VAoutpost, trying to catch up with the deluge – this is sickening. Much as I dislike Romney, I’ve never argued against him based on anything other than proven facts. For some of his supporters to sink to this level, smacks of a sorry kind of desperation…
November 21st, 2009 at 10:31 pm
It is sad when facts are presented they are ignored. You might as well say it depends on the meaing of what is is. What is sad is a party that would put up with the shenanigans of the likes of Huckabee and many of his people. To say it hasn’t happen and is not happening is simple a bald face lie.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Martha,
“But the bottom line is that we don’t need these kind of things in our party.”
You mean, unless they endorse Romney……
November 21st, 2009 at 10:34 pm
These kind of statements are disgusting. It is Huckabee that is the dirty player, and you try to turn around and blame Romney.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm
MWS……You know, you are starting to jump the shark….Okay, mighty MWS…..go out and get us the facts where the Romney campaign was speaking in churches to anti-Catholic groups, organizing the anti-Catholic mops, allowing any kind of anti-religious orientation hate posts on official websites, etc., etc., etc., and while you are at it, why don’t you go over to the CoMITTed to ROMNEY website and try your stupid argument over there…………About half of the Romney supporters and many of the leading figures are devote Catholics…..they will probably give you an ear full.
I wonder how many devote Catholics and Mormons are in leading positions or even members of HucksArmy……..
November 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Why are Romney and his supporters being dragged into this? This has nothing to do with Romney as far as I’m concerned.
@QuoVadisAnima I object to your calling Romney a closet anti-Catholic on the basis he’s a Mormon. That remark is quite disparaging to me. BTW who are the supporters you are referring to that stooped to such levels? If you’re talking about Lorelli I’ll inform you that he is not a Romney man.
@Martha I would suggest ignoring Huckabee and Co, just as Romney himself has. There is nothing to gain from picking at old wounds. I know the desire to want vindication, to prove certain things were done, but nothing comes of it except perhaps increased ire against Romney. Since the end of the ‘08 campaign Romney has often been described as “the only adult in the room” because he has refused to get caught up in petty battles within the party. I think all of his supporters would be wise to follow suit. Additionally, as a Romney supporter I would recommend leaving this debate alone as it has nothing to do with Romney or even his supporters. We shouldn’t be a part of dragging him into this.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Kris,
Upon further investigation, I discovered that David also coordinates with ABC and Foxnews, using your very super-sleuth deductive reason. Reading through your link, I found THIS in the blog:
* ABCNews.com “Anti-Romney 527 Launches TV Ad” 12-22
* FoxNews.com “Rough Day for Romney” 12-22
Can you believe it???????????
November 21st, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Thunder,
“These kind of statements are disgusting.”
What’s disgusting is Romney courting and promoting endorsements from ant-Catholic segregationists.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm
So when it all boils down, there really isn’t much to this post.
Part One: Kris establishes Race42012 investigates some stuff from time to time. Whoopty-doo. David said he didn’t know that. Anyway……
Part Two: Kris calls David names.
Part Three: Kris makes some more claims without evidence. Rombots who used to hate Kris’s guts swoon.
Part Four: Kris finally delivers the “evidence” which consists of contact information David used on his blog because HE WAS CITING THIS GROUP’S PRESS RELEASE Kris, not knowing what a citation looks like, assumes this is evidence of coordination between ARTL and Huckabee himself.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:00 pm
#33:
“Additionally, as a Romney supporter I would recommend leaving this debate alone as it has nothing to do with Romney or even his supporters.”
Unfortunately, that isn’t true. When there is a story against Huckabee, his folks yell that it is the Romney people trying to hurt him. Same with the Romney people about the Huckabee supporters. This Romney/Huckabee feud will be a big factor in 2012, and in fact is one of the biggest stories out of 2008. The very hard feelings between the two camps are not going away, and I fully suspect that each camp will want to do anything they can to prevent the other from winning. If that happens, neither one of them is going to be the nominee; both will just be too polarizing within the Party.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Does Kavon endorse this post?
Is David Schmidt still a frontpage poster or has he been gotten rid of?
I think a lot of us would appreciate answers to those questions.
Indeed.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Seriously, this has nothing to do with Romney. Why is he even being brought up? This squabble between Huck supporters and Romney supporters needs to end! It doesn’t lead to anything constructive.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Alex,
“Indeed” as in all the answers are “yes,” or “indeed” as in you would like them answered too?
November 21st, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Repub,
“Seriously, this has nothing to do with Romney. Why is he even being brought up?”
Because this thread is yet another example of certain Rombots singing praises and hallelujahs to something that smears Huck and his supporters without any evidence. Seriously, scratch the surface of this Post. Once you peel off the tangents, the name calling, and the baseless assertions, the only “evidence” we are left with is the fact that Schmidt included contact information for a group that published a press release he used on his blog.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Are we really supposed to accept this article as fact by someone that admits he is “guilty of not telling the truth”
Kris,
Are you saying it’s ok for you to post what you read on other websites; but it isn’t ok for David to? How many Romney supporters take as “gospel” the distortions posted on anti-Huckabee sites; but then get upset if Huckabee supporters believe things posted about Romney or Palin? On the ARTL site they offer money to anyone that can prove their statements are incorrect. http://prolifeprofiles.com/100dollaroffer Maybe you should “research” how much money has been paid out IF there were any thing posted in error. Unless they are “guilty of not telling the truth”…
“Below please find the list of substantive corrections to date…
* None so far.”
Maybe you didn’t read posts #21 and #22???
You are doing exactly the same thing you are accusing Huckabee supporters of doing by slamming our candidate and us. Do you really think that is going to help win any of us over to Palin or Romney? I was beginning to accept Romney’s “conversion” to social issues; but Martha and other Rombots have turned me off again.
Kris and his slanderous articles have turned me totally off of Palin! I’m sure the Dems love those that continue to instigate the infighting we’ve been seeing here. Keep it up and let them stay in power or tell why you support your candidate and quit slinging dirt at the other Republican candidates. We won’t be able to Race for 2012 if there is no ground left to run on!
November 21st, 2009 at 11:16 pm
#38 and #7
I third the motion, if that is necessary, to have answers to these questions.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:17 pm
@33, Nate, would you please take the time to go back and read ALL of my post? Oy vey…
November 21st, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Repub_lican – You’re right….this should have had nothing to do with Romney. It was written by a strong Palin FPP directed toward a ruthless Huckabee FPP.. But, when someone like MWS sees this, he coesn’t want it to stay as a squabble between those two factions, so he does all he can to insert himself into the process and make sure Romney fans get brough in also. Several of them respond, and before long it becomes more of a Huckabee/Romney battle rather than what it was originally. To see where MWS and Dotan stand, you only have to look at how they ranked the favorables for the various candidates. They never want to miss an opportunity to slam Mitt, even though Mitt Romney has conducted himself near perfectly for close to two years now. He continues to give wise counsel with his fine Op Eds, speeches, and interviews, while heavily supporting both monetarily and with his presence many conservative candidates around our great nations.
When Schmidt first came on here, he laid low for a while, but the snake has now come out of his hole.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:19 pm
I don’t get it. What is going on here? What is the big deal? Godd*mn so-cons always going on about abortion.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:20 pm
#42
“I was beginning to accept Romney’s “conversion” to social issues; but Martha and other Rombots have turned me off again. ”
Yep, Mike Huckabee’s fans make up my mind for me about whether I should feel warm and fuzzy about him, too…
Seriously, you look to the fans to learn about the candidate??? Look to the man (or woman) who may or may not be asking for your vote, not to their fans.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:20 pm
@39, Because this group trashed Romney during the primaries and now the Rombots – who tried to blame Huckabee even back then – are piling on again in hopes that an avalanche of words will hide blatant slander… google the group’s name and “Huckabee” and it will all be quite clear…
November 21st, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Warning to Rombots:
Some of you might be giddy over an evidence-free hatchet job against Huckabee where Kris makes an Oprah-style, teary eyed confession of lying about things for which he still has produced no evidence.
But before you start exalting Kris as your own Woodward or Bernstein, know that he will someday make accusations- threaded together with the same sort of vaporous evidence- against your man, when it suits him.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:23 pm
@46, Since you are apparently an atheist, why don’t you show some respect & consideration for the majority on this board by saying “Thor-damn!” or “Zeus-damn!” or something…
November 21st, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Alex,
“I don’t get it. What is going on here? What is the big deal? Godd*mn so-cons always going on about abortion.”
We’re not arguing about abortion. We’re arguing about baseless allegations.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:25 pm
@45, Nice try, CP, but you have only to look at the first couple dozen posts on any of these articles to see that it’s an opportunity that the Rombots simply can’t resist piling on…
November 21st, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Hah, oh wow, I just checked the ARTL site. They’re bonkers. They say Sarah Palin is hardcore pro-abortion.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:27 pm
CR,
“But, when someone like MWS sees this, he coesn’t want it to stay as a squabble between those two factions, so he does all he can to insert himself into the process and make sure Romney fans get brough in also. Several of them respond”
You should probably note that my first post on this thread was #30. Martha was #1. Steve was #4. Shelby was #6. narciso was #8. Thunder was #12. Thomas Alan #14. Jerald was #24.
Get your facts together, before you present your narrative.
And there has only been one Rombot that I’ve seen so far on this thread respond to me.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Wow. Granny complains about the infighting. lol.
ITS HUCKABEE, you moron, who continued the attacks against Romney after the primary. ITS HUCKABEE minions who threatened McCain if he selected Romney for VP. ITS HUCKABEE who, after the election, continued making attacks and disparaging comments against Romney, Palin, etc. ALL the while Romney and the others have refused to engage in the same behavior–they just help build the party and challenge Obama how or when the can.
And its Huckabee and his followers who decided an a plan of action to try and tear down other republican who might be his opponents–4 freaking years before the next general election–by cowardly, annonymous, attacks.
And you have the gall to talk about those “that continue to instigate the infighting.” Moron
November 21st, 2009 at 11:30 pm
CR,
“To see where MWS and Dotan stand, you only have to look at how they ranked the favorables for the various candidates.”
Actually, I put Romney “unfavorable” which is one step higher than most of the Rombots put Huck.
But what does that prove one way or another? If people who are against Romney should be dismissed, a priori, why should Rombot lore be accepted primae facia?
November 21st, 2009 at 11:31 pm
@QuoVadisAnima I did read your whole comment a few times. I do understand now. At first I thought you meant you didn’t believe the contents of this post, not your comment. My mistake.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Steve,
“ITS HUCKABEE minions who threatened McCain”
I don’t know how it works on your side, but on Huck’s side, the candidate does not control the thoughts and actions of all his supporters…..
November 21st, 2009 at 11:38 pm
#49.
“Warning to Rombots”
Lol… That made me laugh-out-loud! Never knew Race 4 2012 such a parent figure.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:43 pm
MWS, if you wanted credibility with “Rombots” as you call most of us, you probably should have tried getting it long, long ago…
You occasionally are logical, intellectually curious, and even-handed when typing about Mitt Romney. Just as often you are mean-spirited, divisive, and deliberately misleading when typing about Mitt Romney.
Frankly, it pretty much stinks to read Kristofer Lorelli admit he did not tell the truth about several things (including David Schmidt). Perhaps this is similar to Alex’s notable refusal to support Sarah Palin as vice-presidential candidate. Perhaps Kristofer is now feeling he should have been completely open about his feelings.
Bottom line for me is that SUCKS! to have members of our party be accused of such dirty politics as these. Kind of makes me question the whole “Republicans are the good guys” meme.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:44 pm
For the Romney supporters, would you support Romney looking for the Bob Jones endorsement this time around, or getting one from them without explicitly disavowing their anti-Catholic beliefs?
I’m going to guess that’s a pretty solid no. If you want to tackle religious bias and anti-Mormon tactics played by a few shady characters that are never man enough to say it outright and give it the final shot to the head it deserves, you’ve gotta stand up against it yourselves on your side of things. And that includes admitting that Romney sure as heck didn’t need an endorsement from Bob Jones nor does he need one ever.
-”Of course, he’s a Mormon, so he’s probably a closet anti-Catholic himself”
I’m a Mormon and I love Catholics personally. Lived in a Catholic country for quite a while too. What happened to Romney is he wanted dearly to get the votes of the far right to counter the mainstream support for Rudy and McCain and so went and did a lot of crazy, out of character things for him. I definitely didn’t support him last year for that reason but appreciate his turning back from the dark side lately as he and his supporters finally realize that they’ll never want to go down the road of “true conservatism”.
Question is, will he be able to scale the cliff he jumped off of last year?
-”They say Sarah Palin is hardcore pro-abortion.”
Now that deserves a big ROFL
November 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm
ogre,
“Frankly, it pretty much stinks to read Kristofer Lorelli admit he did not tell the truth about several things (including David Schmidt).”
What evidence has Kris really produced about his new “truth” regarding Schimidt? He’s had three posts to do it, and hasn’t.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:49 pm
ogre,
“MWS, if you wanted credibility with “Rombots” as you call most of us”
Yeah, I also refer to “Huckanuts” “Fredheads” “Rudyites,” etc….. Jersey used “Palindrones” recently. I loved that one, and hadn’t heard it before (he’s a Palindrone himself). When someone comes up with a decent one for Pawlenty supporters, I’ll use it.
It’s shorthand, and makes the discussion a little more lively than “Romney supporters,” “Huckabee supporters,” etc…
November 21st, 2009 at 11:54 pm
#62
It’s circumstantial evidence. He included it in all 3 posts. It proves nothing, but also disproves nothing. There is no smoking gun exposed here.
If you thought(before Kris’ posts) that Huckabee colluded with religous kooks like ARTL to win support during the 2008 campaign was likely what had happened, you are more likely to think so now. If you thought that never happened in a million years, you won’t have changed your mind now. If you began neutral, I doubt this “conversation” has swayed you one way or the other.
I’m sure that Democrats would happily stir this pot for us if they could, but it is a serious issue. Will it be resolved? Don’t know, but I do care.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:54 pm
MPC,
“If you want to tackle religious bias and anti-Mormon tactics played by a few shady characters that are never man enough to say it outright and give it the final shot to the head it deserves, you’ve gotta stand up against it yourselves on your side of things. And that includes admitting that Romney sure as heck didn’t need an endorsement from Bob Jones nor does he need one ever.”
Well said.
(not to tar or besmirch you with my approval- you may disavow me now…..)
But that’s all I’m looking for in the Rombots- a little intellectual honesty. They can’t continually screech about shady supporters of Huck running a clandestine confederation, and then simply shrug when their guy trumpeted the endorsement of the granddaddy of them all.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:56 pm
#63
Now see? That’s being even-handed.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:57 pm
I accept this endorsement of MWS.
And disavow anything he has ever said
November 21st, 2009 at 11:58 pm
ogre,
I always liked “Huckanut.” It sounds like something that could happen to a guy trying to lift too much.
“Hey there, take it easy with that bucket of lead. You don’t want to huckanut!”
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 am
#68 ROFL
If you would use them all (disparaging names for fans of various possible candidates) EQUALLY, I’m sure I’d have a better impression of you.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:04 am
Kris’ post here doesn’t prove anything, but it continues to raise the questions that many have had for several years. Perhaps it is seemingly believable because we want to believe the worst of Huckabee. Matched equally by those who just as quickly and as automatically deny it.
The issue is still valid. It’s still relevant. Is Mike Huckabee engaged in behavior and activities that are unscrupulous and undermine the candidate’s narrative of character and good will.
In the end, this is the same issue that is being raised over ACORN. We want to know what kind of unholy relationships has the Huckabee campaign, officially and unofficially, created and encouraged? Do we have some fringe groups, who have surrepticiously affiliated with the candidate and his righteous cause, that aren’t above “lying for Jesus”, who don’t mind doing violence to the 9th commandment. To what extent is this more about propering their religious objectives, regardless of the damage to the country. Is this just another way of prosecuting the counter-cult war on a different battlefield.
Oh, how we long that this could just be about the country.
As for Schmidt, the book was in on that before it started. His past actions should have disqualified him from the beginning.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 am
Steve,
Exactly how many Huckabee supporter posts have been calling Palin or Romney and their supporters the types of names they call us? The majority of our posts have been in defense of our candidate…not slinging mud at the other candidates. David’s post was a reply to the accusation that Huckabee and/or his supporters were responsible for ARTL’s negative reports about Palin and Romney. Links have been supplied where ABC went right to the leaders of ARTL whom denied Huckabee’s involvement. The president of ARTL “doesn’t particularly like Mike Huckabee, either”
“American Right to Life Action, however, will target the leading candidate for exposure if they falsely claim to be pro-life. Hopefully, this will put future candidates on notice that they need to truly reflect on whether they are pro-life before going on the campaign trail.”
Now that (according to several polls) Gov. Huckabee is a “leading candidate”; IF there is anything in Huckabee’s record they think he “falsely claim[ed] to be pro-life” about…they’ll probably be profiling him next.
I’m human and will probably slip up from time to time; but I will try doing my best to defend my candidate and fellow supporters without slinging dirt at the competition.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 am
ogre,
Well, I’m generally addressing people I disagree with (as mutual admiration societies quickly get boring and reinforce a capital vice) but I have in fact used the term “Huckanut” quite a lot.
And while we’re on related subject matter, I have criticized Huck’s infamous “Jesus and Satan” question at least a few times, though I don’t presume to know his motivation behind it- just for the record.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 am
We DO investigate as a team and in fact some of us are usually in contact with writers from other sites to pool resources.
What has this “investigation” uncovered? We are curious and don’t just want to be rope-a-doped.
David is a professional political hack, only loyal to the Presidential campaign of Governor Huckabee.
Everyone is loyal to their own causes. At least some people are honest and make these biases explicit.
ARTL was a front group for Governor Huckabee during the 2008 campaign.
You have done nothing to prove this statement. As far as I know, ARTL is an independent branch that is seeking to criticize NRTL for being spineless. ARTL grew out of Colorado Right to Life:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Right_to_Life
And may I bring up one of ARTL’s claims — that Sarah Palin appointed a more liberal activist planned parenthood board member to be on the Alaska Supreme Court, despite pleas from the Alaska Family Council:
http://www.adn.com/news/government/story/711378.html
Why would she do this? Any Palin defenders here? Kristofer? Anybody?
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:19 am
Rombots is the most derogatory.
Fredheads was embraced by the fans.
Rudyite seems neutral.
Palindrone? Interesting.
Huckanut. Ambiguous. Could be derogatory, could just be fanatical.
How do we turn “Pawlenty Supporter” into something shorthand?!
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 am
Why would she do this? Any Palin defenders here? Kristofer? Anybody?
Yes. The only alternative was someone who was a hardcore opponent of her energy projects — the pipeline, drilling, everything.
Palin understood that abortion, in the end, is a federal issue, so she was pragmatic.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:22 am
#4
Reagan would have been discussted with Huckabee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOp8fpfBa2o
It is no secret that Huck is a bigot.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 am
Palin understood that abortion, in the end, is a federal issue, so she was pragmatic.
I thought she believed that abortion is a state issue.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 am
I prefer Huckabeez because so many of us are busy as “beez” in Huckabee’s grassroots movement.
Where many of Pawlenty’s supporters involved in the Tea Parties? If so, maybe we could call them Pawlenteas???
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:28 am
#12
“And if Huckabee got the nomination, I would be forced for the first time in my life to vote for a democrat as abhorrent as that would be, Huckabee is much, much worse.”
Right. It’s like, “who do I vote for, the Democrat with left wing views, or the forbidden to vote for by Reagan bigot?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOp8fpfBa2o
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 am
I thought she believed that abortion is a state issue.
Not right now…
As long as Roe is in place, it’s a federal issue.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:35 am
ComCon,
Huck didn’t get endorsed by the heads of an anti-Catholic, segregationist university, and then trumpet the endorsement.
What do you say about a guy who embraces such bigots for political gain?
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 am
#49
“But before you start exalting Kris as your own Woodward or Bernstein, know that he will someday make accusations- threaded together with the same sort of vaporous evidence- against your man, when it suits him.”
I would like some evidence to back this up.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 am
74 Pawbearers?
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:40 am
#80:
Catch-22 either way. First of all, it is not a federal issue only as HLAs can be enacted at the state level; plus, other pro-life legislation can be adversely affected by Palin’s appointment of this activist judge.
But even if one accepts the premise that abortion is a federal issue right now, it suggests that Palin doesn’t believe that Roe will be overturned during the tenure of that SC justice.
Finally, Palin could have rejected both of the SC candidates and done nothing until they gave her a new slate of candidates.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:41 am
#81 “Huck didn’t get endorsed by the heads of an anti-Catholic, segregationist university, and then trumpet the endorsement.”
Huck didn’t have to. Mitt was the guy who, so unfortunately was under a “religious test” in America, that had to prove to people that some Evangelicals were not all bigots…oops, I mean that some of them could vote for him being a Mormon.
Put yourself in that situation MWS, and it doesn’t look or feel like a pretty place to be in when you are an American and understand the Constitution. Huck would have cried his eyes out if that happened to him.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:45 am
ComCon,
“Pawbearers?”
Not bad.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:48 am
ComCon,
“Huck didn’t have to. Mitt was the guy who, so unfortunately was under a “religious test” in America, that had to prove to people that some Evangelicals were not all bigots…oops, I mean that some of them could vote for him being a Mormon.”
So because Romney is a Mormon, he has a right to remain silent about BJU’s sins against blacks and Catholics?
This sounds sort of like the “magic negro” rationale, except it is extended to abused groups to which the candidate in question doesn’t belong.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 am
ComCon,
Do you realize that by accepting the endorsement of the BJU bigwigs, Romney helped legitimize them as an acceptable and worthwhile voice in America?
Quite honestly, if I were Mormon, I would be even more offended than I am as a Catholic, given BJU’s take on the Mormon religion as well. One could rightly wonder if Mitt refused to stand up to BJU and their attacks on his own religion for political gain.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:53 am
Mitt accepting the endorsement of Bob Jones was shameful.
Rudy accepting the endorsement of blame-America-firster/religious bigot Pat Robertson was shameful.
McCain speaking at the university of blame-America-firster/religious bigot Jerry Falwell (may he burn in Hell) was shameful.
Huckabee cozying up to the radical religious right is shameful today.
It’s all shameful. Sadly, it’s a dance they have to do. I’ll stick with criticizing the candidates and their policies and histories, rather than who endorses them.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:53 am
MWS,
You know I love your style and pugilistic attitude but haven’t we beaten this BJU horse to death already? This thread looks like a repeat of the one Schmidt put up yesterday.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:54 am
Pawpals
Pawlites (not to be confused with Paulites)
Pawcity
Pawnderers
Pawpers
Is this list Pawful or what?
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:56 am
Uh oh, Schmidt responds!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:59 am
#91:
Well, if Pawlenty really goes after the Tea Party crowd, he’ll forever be knicknamed Tea-Paw
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:03 am
One more I promise:
If we nominate Pawlenty, to appeal to Native American voters we could always hold our convention in a “T.P.”
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:07 am
Tommy Boy,
“You know I love your style and pugilistic attitude but haven’t we beaten this BJU horse to death already? This thread looks like a repeat of the one Schmidt put up yesterday”
Probably so.
But on the plus side, it seems to drive away some of the “Huck’s a bigot” commentators who turn every third thread into another rendition of that same mantra.
Maybe if I could just make that reminder the first comment of every thread, we wouldn’t have the same debate over and over and over and over ad nauseum.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:09 am
Jonathan,
Better yet, hold it in a T.P. made of T.P.
That’ll draw in some special interest money to pay for all the T.P.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 am
Competent Conservative,
Exactly what proof do you have that Huckabee is a bigot? Because he asked a reporter after he thought the interview was over a question he couldn’t have known would have been published? Because he spoke in a church in Utah? Did HE say anything against the Mormons in that speech? I still think the biggest conflict Baptists have with Mormons (and vice-versa) is they both want to go “fishing for men” in the same waters.
Many Baptists lost lives and property helping to secure total religious liberty for ALL Americans…rather than being forced to pay taxes to support “government approved churches” even after they agreed to allow the Baptist to be one of those “approved religions.”
“19. Evidently, one of the greatest obstructions to religious liberty in America, and probably all over the world as to that, was the conviction which had grown into the people throughout the preceding centuries that religion could not possibly live without governmental support. That no denomination could prosper solely on voluntary offerings by its adherents. And this was the hard argument to meet when the battle was raging for the disestablishment of the Church of England in Virginia, and also later in Congress when the question of religious liberty was being discussed there. For a long time the Baptists fought the battle almost alone,…
21. We venture to give one early Congressional incident. The question of whether the United States should have an established church or several established churches, or religious liberty, was being discussed. Several different bills had been offered, one recommending the Church of England as the established church; and another the Congregationalist Church, and yet another the Presbyterian. The Baptists, many of them, though probably none of them members of Congress, were earnestly contending for absolute religious liberty. James Madison (afterwards President) seemingly was their main supporter. Patrick Henry arose and offered a substitute bill for them all, “That four churches (or denominations) instead of one be established”–the Church of England, or Episcopal, Congregationalist, Presbyterian, and the Baptist.”
From “The Trail of Blood” by J.M. Carroll…”LECTURE FIVE–RELIGION IN THE UNITED STATES”
Yes, we have had some bigots make comments on Huck’s Army; but they were quickly rebuked and if it didn’t stop we locked the threads.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 am
Alex,
“Sadly, it’s a dance they have to do.”
Well, they don’t have to, but they pretty much all do. I’m sure they all rationalize it with the “greater good” reasoning.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 am
T.P. needs some T.P. cruisers
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:14 am
#96:
No need to fork over a lot of cash, Tim’s got a Plenty.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 am
Kristofer: You have made very serious allegations, but continue to offer no proof in support of them.
Alex #46: “Hah, oh wow, I just checked the ARTL site. They’re bonkers. They say Sarah Palin is hardcore pro-abortion.”
They appear to be the lunatic fringe of the most extreme segment of the far right of the SoCons.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:17 am
and Tom Petty could play the theme song.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:38 am
93 – T-Pawty
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 am
The Timsters Union.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:49 am
I will say this…until recently, i had always enjoyed mr. lorelli’s posts. However, it has become apparent that he is a lunatic, hell bent on ending the prospective candidacy of Mike Huckabee NO MATTER WHAT. I remember once upon a time, Alex Knepper was kicked off of the front page for being against the Palin vice presidential nomination. While at the time, i agreed that we need to be united…i wonder now if the same principle would have held true if huckabee would have been the VP nominee?
ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPECULATE? Mr. Knepper?
November 22nd, 2009 at 3:02 am
He certainly would have been. There was no question that we were working in support of the Republicans last year. Heck, more than Alex wanted to criticize Palin at some point in time but most of us held our tongues generally.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 am
#74……T-Pawnese
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 am
T/Pawers?
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:38 am
Tpawtiers
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
If the goal of the conservatives is to prevent a repeat of 2008 wherein the Republican Party promoted nothing but socially liberal candidates on the Republican electorate, ex-military and attorneys, it would behoove to them cease funding the liberal bodies of the NRSC and NRCC. Since the inauguration, you now have first hand knowledge of economic marxism and the continuation of cultural marxism since the revision of the ALIMPC in 1955 based on the musings of a sadomasochistic, borderline psychopath. Do not make the mistake advancing of libertarian views under the guise of liberty, but fight for conservative principles and constitutional government.
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
#74
Pawdogs
Pawtys
Pawed Pipers
Palintines
Palin-ems
Palinmynecks
Huckabums
RotoRudys
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
pawty poopers
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Pawlenty is a Sam’s Club Republican.
His supporters ought to be called Clubbers.
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:50 am
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November 29th, 2009 at 12:23 am
This entire thread is a fraud. Kristofer Lorelli cannot back up any of his claims of ‘coordination’ between Huck and ARTL because none exists! Simply forwarding a press release containing the names of an office manager and publicist does not equate to coordination Kris. Geez.